Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
For what it's worth, I don't even find it that distracting, unless the noise level is really high. Analog noise is generally easy to ignore. Maybe that's because I'm so used to vinyl, which is what I listen to most of the time. I'd MUCH rather listen to an original pressing of some old jazz album, with even a good deal of surface noise, than listen to a pristine recent pressing. You just lose so much resolution due to tape age. -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
If you want to hear incredible LPs, try to find some Direct-To-Disc recordings. These are recorded live in the studio IN ONE TAKE, and the microphone feed is sent directly to the cutting head of the LP master. I had lots of D2D jazz LPs. Even had one released by Radio Shack on red vinyl that sounded incredible. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
Yeah, those can sound great. But the selection of music is pretty limited! -- rgheck Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Receiver -- T-Amp -- Monitor Audio Radius 90s Receiver -- Sony HT Receiver (Garbage) -- Monitor Audio Raduis HT Setup SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II with 768MB RAM, 1.5TB storage, running Centos 5.x rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
rgheck;498953 Wrote: That kind of processing does terrible things to the sound. Listen for example to the Hendrix reissues done several years ago. In cleaning up the sound, they rolled off all the detail that gives it life. Something similar is what's wrong with most reissues. The tapes are ancient and the records can't sound anything but dark compared to the originals. There are exceptions, of course, and 1970s/80s MoFi's are among them, often because the MoFi didn't follow the original by very much. There are also some great reissues of Atlantic material, because the Atlantic originals were often terrible. (FWIW, the best pressings of the great 1950s-1960s Atlantic stuff are often the mid-1970s Warner pressings.) I agree noise is the least thing to worry about. Is it distracting? Yes, but the alternative is usually worse. -- sxr71 sxr71's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18773 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
iPhone;497725 Wrote: And a bit off topic speaking of todays technology. The thing that really bugs me is that with todays technology, CDs with material from the 60 and 70s can be cleaned up for the most part and not affect the spirit or ambience of the original recording with what is available digitally today and this would only add about a dollar to the cost of the CD. Imagine a cleaned up hiss free Aqualung by Jethro Tull as an example. To bad the big record companies don't understand that the public is willing to pay a little extra for better quality. Not everybody mind you, but a group worth looking at especially at the time people started to replace original LPs with CDs. That kind of processing does terrible things to the sound. Listen for example to the Hendrix reissues done several years ago. In cleaning up the sound, they rolled off all the detail that gives it life. Something similar is what's wrong with most reissues. The tapes are ancient and the records can't sound anything but dark compared to the originals. There are exceptions, of course, and 1970s/80s MoFi's are among them, often because the MoFi didn't follow the original by very much. There are also some great reissues of Atlantic material, because the Atlantic originals were often terrible. (FWIW, the best pressings of the great 1950s-1960s Atlantic stuff are often the mid-1970s Warner pressings.) -- rgheck SqueezeboxServer on a 350MHz Pentium II running Centos 5.x with 1.5TB Transporter -- Adcom GDA-600 -- Pass Labs B1 (DIY) -- Adcom GFA-5800 -- Thiel CS 1.6s Transporter -- Pass Labs D1 -- Pass Labs Aleph 2s -- Thiel CS 1.6s rgheck's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=25803 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
I bought my first Mofi vinyl yesterday. It is Abraxas by Santana. I was reluctant to pay $30 for a record, but I had to do it once to see how it sounded. I wish I hadn't bought it now. The record sounds incredible! I am now going to buy some more, they are worth the money as long as they have enough songs on them that I like. I just wished they would release some greatest hits records, then they would be a bargain. So if you want to try one out, you can't go wrong with the Santana album that I bought. I haven't tried any of their CD's yet and I probably wont since they cost just as much as the vinyl, and I rather have the vinyl. -- Panotaker Panotaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=33482 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
Panotaker;497677 Wrote: I bought my first Mofi vinyl yesterday. It is Abraxas by Santana. I was reluctant to pay $30 for a record, but I had to do it once to see how it sounded. I wish I hadn't bought it now. The record sounds incredible! I am now going to buy some more, they are worth the money as long as they have enough songs on them that I like. I just wished they would release some greatest hits records, then they would be a bargain. So if you want to try one out, you can't go wrong with the Santana album that I bought. I haven't tried any of their CD's yet and I probably wont since they cost just as much as the vinyl, and I rather have the vinyl. If you think MFSL sound good, check out the Nautilus DBX disks... or Nimbus Supercuts -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... SB Touch Beta (wired) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
Panotaker;497677 Wrote: I bought my first Mofi vinyl yesterday. It is Abraxas by Santana. I was reluctant to pay $30 for a record, but I had to do it once to see how it sounded. I wish I hadn't bought it now. The record sounds incredible! I am now going to buy some more, they are worth the money as long as they have enough songs on them that I like. I just wished they would release some greatest hits records, then they would be a bargain. So if you want to try one out, you can't go wrong with the Santana album that I bought. I haven't tried any of their CD's yet and I probably wont since they cost just as much as the vinyl, and I rather have the vinyl. The biggest problems with high end expensive vinyl Greatest Hits is that most don't sound fantastic in that they didn't have the magic of the actual recording session that an ordinary album can have and most are missing what made that certain session or album sound so great which was the engineer and studio/hall it was recorded in. Most Greatest Hits tend to be the worst albums as they just grab the songs in the format that was popular for radio air play IE no attention to detail or engineering. The only real exception I have found to this are compilations of different artist on one platter from specific high end recording plants like Reference Recording and the like. Most all these type company's pressing are fantastic, so if one buys a Sampler or Best Of RR Artists vinyl then they are great for the most part. And a bit off topic speaking of todays technology. The thing that really bugs me is that with todays technology, CDs with material from the 60 and 70s can be cleaned up for the most part and not affect the spirit or ambience of the original recording with what is available digitally today and this would only add about a dollar to the cost of the CD. Imagine a cleaned up hiss free Aqualung by Jethro Tull as an example. To bad the big record companies don't understand that the public is willing to pay a little extra for better quality. Not everybody mind you, but a group worth looking at especially at the time people started to replace original LPs with CDs. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1 Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Squeezebox BOOM Bedroom: Second Boom Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
ralphpnj;491288 Wrote: Hi Paul, For most, if not all, vendors the use of the word audiophile in any ad copy such as audiophile quality pressing or made specifically to meet the demands of the most demanding audiophile entitles them to charge the most outrageous prices imaginable. Now be a good audiophile and hand over your wallet, spread your legs and bend over. And more thing: the over priced audiophile vinyl will only sound its best when played back on an audio system that has similarly over priced wires and cables. Actually, I'm speaking about Mobile Fidelity Sound Labs and Nautilus records. These were mastered at half the rotation rates (to facilitate cutting accuracy L to R) and then pressed on really hard vinyl that resisted the stretch that the grooves of ordinary records. They actually are incredibly better than their ordinary counterparts. (Of course, how good the CD is depends also on the engineer. One of the first four CD's I bought was Terrapin Station and it sounds crappy..) Cables and wires are vastly over-rated given the real physics involved. (There is a certain snobism based-on whose tube amps make the best toasted-cheese sandwiches..) -- pski real stereo doesn't wake neighbors (it enrages them) pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
pski;488638 Wrote: To all y'all: I see a few sites selling vinyl. Are the prices for some MFSL and Nautilus recordings for real? Thanks. Paul Hi Paul, For most, if not all, vendors the use of the word audiophile in any ad copy such as audiophile quality pressing or made specifically to meet the demands of the most demanding audiophile entitles them to charge the most outrageous prices imaginable. Now be a good audiophile and hand over your wallet, spread your legs and bend over. And more thing: the over priced audiophile vinyl will only sound its best when played back on an audio system that has similarly over priced wires and cables. -- ralphpnj Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels - Snatch - The Transporter - Transporter 2 'Last.fm' (http://www.last.fm/user/jazzfann/) ralphpnj's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10827 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
I have a couple of these. They sound astonishing - good value if you actually like the music! -- adamslim You can't have too much music, but I do have too much hifi Rock/Excalibur/Decca, Linn Akurate DS, Audion Pre, 6B4G death traps, Lowther monsters Duet, Caiman, Audio Innovations Series 500, Heybrook Sextets Boom x 2 adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Half speed master vinyl
To all y'all: I see a few sites selling vinyl. Are the prices for some MFSL and Nautilus recordings for real? Thanks. Paul -- pski real stereo doesn't wake neighbors (it enrages them) pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=71764 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
