Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
JJZolx;202826 Wrote: Wouldn't necessarily even need to be heavy bases. I'll bet that if you bolted the stands to large 2ft x 2ft bases (plywood, mdf or maybe even concrete walk pavers) then they'd be nearly impossible to tip over. I thought about that, but considering that speakers are not just home decor items :), but also a part of the audio system, I'm concerned that DIY wide wooden base may introduce resonance problems - unless I put it on spikes, but then the base has to be strong enough to keep that enormous weight... not sure it's doable. -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
You could probably design some sort of wide spaced base using PVC pipe in about 10 minutes. The pipe could then be filled with concrete, gravel, sand, lead shot, water, whatever you want to add some weight. A pair of stands might cost all of $20 to build and take all of an hour to measure, cut, and glue the pipe. Use schedule 40 PVC water pipe and there will be no worries about the strength of the structure- I built my son's loft bed from 2 schedule 40 about 5 years ago and he still uses it. See it here: http://mark.rehorst.com/PVC_Loft_Bed/index.htm TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
I think I found what I was looking for. Skylan stands. Seem to be of vry high quality, very stable, not ringing, and top plate can be custom made for my speakers. http://skylanstands.com/index.htm -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
325xi;202817 Wrote: I think I found what I was looking for. Ahhh... speaker stands. That's what you're going with after all those great suggestions! (especially liked the cage). Oh well, nice job NOT missing the forest for the tree :-) What about, as some suggested, bolting them to the floor/something heavy. I bet some of the physics guys here could tell us how many ft lbs/inch it would require to tumble a 45 pound speaker sitting on a sand filled pillar, but I'll guess not much. A heavier weight and larger diameter actual base will probably increase the stability exponentially compared to the filled pillar. BTW, I won the toothpick bridge building contest in high school physics class. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
JJZolx;202826 Wrote: fill the remaining bottom with lead shot. But don't let the kids/pets have too much soft tissue contact with the stands. -- Skunk Skunk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2685 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
Good point about knocking over, I had not thought of that yet. I was thinking more along the lines of protecting the drivers from fingers, pencils, food etc. My cat was sitting listening and obviously noticed the bass driver moving, sat right up close, watching and listening, and then up came a paw and 'luckly' gently tapped the center dome (claws in, thank heavens) Oh there bas a bit of shouting to say the least, and luckly enough he has not even thought of doing it again. Screw/clamp them down with wire mesh driver grills ? I like the monster idea :) Pillows as dampeners :) -- Deaf Cat Deaf Cat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=515 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
My floor standers, like many others, came with a fairly broad base - you would need to deflect the speakers through a large angle (sorry, not measured it) before they fell over. However this will,as you say, entail lots of listening and expense and even then will only reduce the risk somewhat. If it were me, I'd be looking for ways to tie down the back of the stand to the floor (somewhat like the way we tie the top of bookcases to the wall for much the same reasons). Screw into the floor, a short strap, and then (the tricky bit) some attachment to the back of the stand. You can also reduce the risk of toppling sideways just by placing objects (eg equipment racks, TVs, CD racks...) beside the speakers. Whatever, its a compromise. True audio nirvana will only reappear when the kids are big enough that you don't have to worry about this sort of thing anymore! Ceejay -- ceejay ceejay's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=148 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
Get a pair of stupidly heavy stands (Target did some), the kind you can't even pick up - lead shot and so on. Blu-tac on those would mean kid would need to push the top half of the speaker very hard indeed, and it would fall away from him. If you're still unhappy about this, try getting some sort of D-clamp that you can put underneath, or just bite the bullet and screw some short fat screws into the bottom of the speakers! Adam -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
Or a suitcase strap to attach speaker to stand! Won't be pretty, but will mean you don't have big holes in the bottom of your speakers! A -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others http://www.last.fm/user/AdamSlim/ 'Last.fm group: people who don't listen to any of last.fm's top artists' (http://www.last.fm/group/People+who+don%27t+listen+to+any+of+last.fm%27s+top+artists) SB+, EAR 859, Living Voice Auditorium II plus some other stuff SB3, Shek d2, Ming-Da MC84-C, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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How about something like this? +---+ |Filename: 3087.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=2819| +---+ -- PhilNYC Sonic Spirits Inc. http://www.sonicspirits.com PhilNYC's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=837 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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PhilNYC;202354 Wrote: How about something like this? But, with the dog on the outside, right? :-)) -- shadowboxer shadowboxer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8302 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
2 suggestions: Get some concrete stands from a garden supply place. I've got a pair I used for several years that were extremely heavy, totally inert, and actually didn't look too bad. Then couple the speakers to the stands with museum putty or blu-tac. Of course, if he manages to pull these over, he could be seriously injured. The safer suggestion (and it might be the best-sounding solution, too) would be to hang the speakers from the ceiling. Several ways of doing this, even with a 36-lb speaker. One of the best-sounding systems I've had used 4 fairly heavy bookshelf speakers hung from the ceiling. -- Pale Blue Ego Pale Blue Ego's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=110 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
325xi;202291 Wrote: - get especially well balanced stands that also allow Revels to be mounted permanently (screws, or the like - not Blu Tac). Aren't the M20s already tapped with threaded mounts to allow them to be mounted on the dedicated Revel stands? The Revel stands are too tippy for your situation, but a pair of stands that could be bottom weighted by filling the bottom 1/4 - 1/3 with lead would work well. You could even bolt the stands to a large wood or stone plinth to further increase their stability. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
Thanks to you all for suggestions! Since it's all a matter of child safety, and not mere protecting speakers from possible damage, I can't take a risk to rely on verbal or psychological barriers. I hope some heavy stands will do the job... Can you advise who's making suitable stands (large base, sand/lead fillable, etc)? Give me few names, I'll try to find if they are available here in Canada. Thanks!! -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
Our son will be 2 in July, and we haven't had any problems with my floorstanders (Paradigm Monitor 7). They're pretty heavy though, very deep, and rather wide, as well as sitting on carpet spikes. My rear speakers are bookshelves on very tall stands, and those were a big problem. I never did find a good solution, but he eventually learned not to touch them. It helped a lot that they are up against the wall, unlike when they were my fronts. I'd either buy, or build, hollow stands, and fill them with gravel or perhaps kitty litter. For shorter stands, I'd probably also fasten the speakers to the stands. In my case, the speakers themselves were never an issue, other than stability when shaking the stands, since the stands are so tall (IOW, he never touched the speakers). I came pretty close to just shooting some screws through the base of the stands, but wanted to avoid damaging the hardwood floors hidden under the carpet. Struts, attached to the wall, were the next option, but he stopped messing with them. -- GlennT GlennT's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10243 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Um, how about doing the obvious thing- screw the stands to the floor and screw the speakers to the stands? That wasn't so hard, was it? TD -- tyler_durden tyler_durden's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
This is not strictly related to SB, but I'll try anyways... My system sits in the closet for a while, mainly due to incompatibility problems between my speakers and my 2 years old kid. The speakers are nice little monitors Revel m20. Little, but heavy - 45 lbs each, normally sitting on stands. The kid is tall and strong for his age, and we believe he can push the speaker so it can fall, which would be very dangerous, for both parties involved. I'm looking for an idea how to make speakers stable enough so my kid won't be able to make it fall. I see two ways to resolve this: - get large full-range speakers instead of monitors. Cool idea, but large speaker of similar quality would cost an arm and leg. I also feel totally unprepared for this - for me it would take months to do all the listening required to make a decision on such an investment. - get especially well balanced stands that also allow Revels to be mounted permanently (screws, or the like - not Blu Tac). I never heard of such a stands off he shelf; and I don't know if/where such a thing can be custom made here in Montreal... :( Please, give me ideas, I want my system back! -- 325xi 325xi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5661 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
Most floor standing speakers don't take too much to knock over either. My Meridian DSP-5500's weight 180lbs each and it wouldn't take to much to knock them over. I used to have BW N803 and they were even more tippy. You'd have to go to some pretty large floor standers to make them tip proof. Like 802 or DSP-7000's. DSP-7000's are only $29,000.00 a pair :-) Or perhaps some Ariel 10T's. Do you listen with the kids around or do you have your own space. I certainly understand you may wish to listen to music and enjoy the kids in the same space. You may want to have your own space where the kids are not allowed, but that's not always the right thing either. I can teach my dogs to stay off the rug. You should be able to teach a the kids to stay away from the speakers. No don't touch daddies toys :). Bad dog. If all else fails bolt them to stands and bolt stands to the floor. How old are the kids? -- mswlogo mswlogo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9090 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Help: speakers and kid's safety
You could always tell your child that the speakers contain some big hairy child eating monsters and going too close to them could cause them to get angry and want to jump out and eat him/her Best I can come up with at this time of my day. Good luck! -- Aztek Aztek's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=3784 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=35325 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
