Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] How many reasons...
JJZolx;296628 Wrote: Many people looking for a simple entry into computer-based audio have expressed feelings that the server software is the weakest part of the SB system and have sold or returned Squeezeboxes because of it. How many users new to the SB and these forums have posted asking how to play music using WinAmp or Foobar instead of using the web itnerface? Yes, but we now have the Controller interface (and it's pretty certain that this is going to be licensed/ported to other handhelds that can accept it). The vast majority of every day users will use that in preference to a computer (and especially audiophiles who tend to be older than the norm) . The Web Gui is becoming a secondary concern for Logitech. Uh.. just realised the Slim web site has changed. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. SB+ Bryston 4BSST PMC OB1s. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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JJZolx;296624 Wrote: Functions as a CD player. +1 Touchscreen. +1 All in one ripping and database system. +2 Of course, it's a different paradigm, with some shortcomings compared to the slim approach. Biggest is probably lack of multi-zone playback, but then again SD hasn't exactly mastered that one yet and few audiophiles are concerned with multi-zone. Lack of wireless networking. +10! You can bet that will save them a massive amount of development and support costs (gathering from what we've seen at SD), as well as saving their customers endless headaches. If someone wants a wireless connection they can attach it to a WAP. Very smart. Of course the internal hard drive means that no network is even necessary. Upon reflection I agree with all of this, apart from the zoning bit. I don't pretend to understand NaimNet but the blurb about the HDX states Streams to 6 StreamNet devices. The more I think about the HDX the more i think that Naim have got it right and that it is far from flawed product. Considering their probable target market as it stands at the moment it seems well aimed. It is attempting to take all the hassle and geekness out of network music. Even I am attracted to dumping the wireless network and anyone who can afford a Naim kit can afford an electrician to wire in the network cable. I personally don't want a CD player or a ripper and would want much bigger (and simply/cheaply upgradeable hard drives)... but then I am comfortable with computers and technology (but not the time they take up). I don't really care what lossless format the music plays in as long as tags are supported (and I see it supports flac anyway). I'm interested how quiet the device is and how good the interface and remote are. I've not found out yet, but it looks like the screen is on the HDX (damn) and so presumably not on the remote, which is a flaw IMHO. My guess is that they'll produce a cut down version nearer to my requirements in the near future. I've attached a Naim to Dealer missive (which I probably shouldn't have). MC +---+ |Filename: Naim's HDX (Retailer Info).pdf | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=4981| +---+ -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. SB+ Bryston 4BSST PMC OB1s. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I think they've pitched it right for the UK audiophile audience. No PC to set up, no wireless streaming, in fact all the things that baffle the audiophiles and make them shout but they'll be degradation as the bits go through the air and get dirty all go away with this design. The only gripe (apart from the price) would have been the 400G disk space, but you can extend it. The shame of it all is that the established names will come through with products that make it a far easier purchasing decision for people keen to empty their wallets of more money. They may not be as innovative, or usable even, but they have the badge. It's an expensive product for the audio bigots who will happily lap it up. The transporter is no longer the high end for audiophiles, even if it is the best. -- CardinalFang CardinalFang's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=962 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I am not part of the mass market. I'm typing this on a laptop running Linux. There are plenty of people like me but I realise they are the minority. I like Slim Devices products because they tap into a home network and data server that were already there for me. I don't need to pay for things which I've already got (and I've got them because they are useful in general). On the audiophile side, the SD products are characterised as minimal players which can be connected to my main rig. The total absence of physical noise from fans and electrical noise due to moving parts is very attractive to me as an audiophile. Such basic characteristics seem to be lacking from other products and that pretty much disqualifies them by comparison. Just as the audiophile cognoscenti are reversing their hogwash about CD players being inherently better than music servers (to the truth) a few other audio sacred cows are going to get slaughtered in the medium term. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;296711 Wrote: The more I think about the HDX the more i think that Naim have got it right and that it is far from flawed product. Considering their probable target market as it stands at the moment it seems well aimed. It is attempting to take all the hassle and geekness out of network music. I agree in part, but still I think the server / client is where everything is moving, rightly. Naim could have provided a computer that does the ripping, tag lookups, database, music server side, a crossover cable and a 'slim' client that has the sensitive audio bit. Then geeky types like us could use our own PC system, saving half the price. All you need to do is package up EAC and FLAC, MP3Tag, the server, and Firefox, with a UI into a silent PC. Easy for consumers, and dead easy for Naim - you're just splitting the HDX into two. Offers a perfect upgrade route too - Linn Akurate DS users can easily upgrade to the Klimax DS without having to rerip or move swap HDs ModelCitizen;296711 Wrote: I don't really care what lossless format the music plays in as long as tags are supported (and I see it supports flac anyway). I'm interested how quiet the device is and how good the interface and remote are. I prefer the screen on the remote rather than the device but without wireless I gues this is not possible. The tie up with AMG is interesting. This is something I think Logitech should be looking into (for Reviews and Bios). Be interesting to see if you can amend the tags. For me this is essential - I bet AMG is totally inconsistent with Classical music. And the screen on the device is rather pointless, although a nice idea! -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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darrenyeats;296720 Wrote: On the audiophile side, the SD products are characterised as minimal players which can be connected to my main rig. The total absence of physical or electrical noise that is due to moving parts is very attractive to me as an audiophile. Such basic characteristics seem to be lacking from other products and for me they are disqualified by comparison. Exactly! As a paranoid audiophile, why in the world would you want a player with a CD drive and two hard disks? All those spinning platters, all that electrical noise... what a terrible idea for a supposedly audiophile product, especially when you can so easily avoid it. -- opaqueice opaqueice's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4234 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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And neither am I influenced by hype! :-) In fact I've just sold all my Naim gear. I just can't be fussed with all the wires, black boxes and the continual temptation to spend even more money. I've not found any network player or network player/Dac combination that comes close to a Naim CDX and have just given up trying (at least for a few years). IMHO if you can't find a decent source then there's no point in spending huge amount of money and time on the rest of the gear (you can't make a silk purse out of a sows ear). I've now got a simple no-hassle system that sounds acceptable. I'm going to concentrate on fishing and bringing up my kid now. :-) It's a shame the Linn network player seems so flawed too (has anyone seen the interface, even the Linn demonstrator had trouble with it!). Hopefully by the time my son leaves home there'll be something that sounds as good as vinyl again (minus scratches, rumbles etc). I guess one of the best things about network players might be that the redbook standard is dumped. As someone here once said (maybe the original poster?): I've already made a sacrifice in sound quality going from CD from vinyl. I don't want to take another going to a network player. As things stand I still think you have to, but maybe the Linn and Naim offerings will rectify this but I won't be buying them until they are much less expensive and much better designed. Maybe I've just been spoilt by the CDX. MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. SB+ Bryston 4BSST PMC OB1s. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Linn's position appears to be that they think the future is with high-end media players and that CD is no longer the pre-eminent source. I don't expect them to be making high-end cd players in 2-3 years time and I don't think Naim will either. I believe I am right in saying that they see the Klimax DS as now THE Linn reference source. Certainly if you listen to their sales patter, it's all about how CD playback is fundamentally flawed and how HD playback from a high quality rip is intrinsically better. Certainly from what I've heard so far they are entitled to that opinion. I'm sure other manufacturers can do the same... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;296400 Wrote: As someone here once said (maybe the original poster?): I've already made a sacrifice in sound quality going from CD from vinyl. I don't want to take another going to a network player (or some such). As things stand I still think you still have to, but maybe the Linn and Naim offerings will rectify this but I won't be buying them until they are much less expensive and much better designed. Yeah I think that was one of mine. Happily the SB+ was a step-up from my CD player; I think I'll stick for the next few years and let the market ply its course, maturing in both sound quality and useability terms. What might be interesting would be if Slim Devices were to license their server and firmware to the likes of Linn, Naim and so on. Audiophile companies are not software developers; could be a nice little earner for Logitech, although it would, I think, be a unique business model for them - already the SB/Transporter is a bit away from their comfort zone. ModelCitizen Wrote: SB+ Bryston 4BSST PMC OB1s Sold the Transporter then? ;) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Functions as a CD player. +1 Touchscreen. +1 All in one ripping and database system. +2 - I'll bet they don't have a wiki on how to use a couple dozen software products just to get music from a CD into a state where it can be played. Of course, it's a different paradigm, with some shortcomings compared to the slim approach. Biggest is probably lack of multi-zone playback, but then again SD hasn't exactly mastered that one yet and few audiophiles are concerned with multi-zone. -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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adamslim;296430 Wrote: What might be interesting would be if Slim Devices were to license their server and firmware to the likes of Linn, Naim and so on. Audiophile companies are not software developers; could be a nice little earner for Logitech, although it would, I think, be a unique business model for them - already the SB/Transporter is a bit away from their comfort zone. Many people looking for a simple entry into computer-based audio have expressed feelings that the server software is the weakest part of the SB system and have sold or returned Squeezeboxes because of it. How many users new to the SB and these forums have posted asking how to play music using WinAmp or Foobar instead of using the web itnerface? -- JJZolx Jim JJZolx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Hi, guess I'm the only one that already listened to the new Naim. And I must say, it did pretty well. I compared it with the 555 CD-Player and even so, my sample of HDX was an early sample, I could hear the family sound of Naim. I also had a chance to listen to a 44kHz version of a CD and in comparison a version of the same track in 24/96. That was really impressing and the 555 could not play it :-) There are 2x400GB in the unit, but one is for automatic backup over night. As far as I remember, the unit does Apple lossless - but I'm sure, FLAc will follow soon (I already asked for it ). The unit can also work with a NAS or even with a USB disk in order to get more music than the 400-450 disc one could store on the unit itself. I hope within short time, i'll get the HDX unit and make a comparison with the Transporter and a good DAC (The internal DAC of the Transporter is not bad, but not even close to my CD performance) Best regards Karl-Heinz Fink -- finkaudio finkaudio's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16642 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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iPhone;295309 Wrote: Or am I wrong that 4500 pounds translates to about $9000 USD? It does at the moment. I certainly won't be buying it, but I'll be very interested to see if Naim can manage to get their usual stunning sound out of a networked player. I wasn't convinced by the SuperNait integrated dacs/Amp/pre-amp device. Is there some sort of audiophile competition between Linn and Naim then? MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;295355 Wrote: Is there some sort of audiophile competition between Linn and Naim then? Do you not remember the great falling out? Back in the 1980's, Linn and Naim were bestest buddies. Anyone who was anyone had a system comprising LP12 turntable, Naim amps, and Linn speakers. Then Linn made the fatal mistake of building their own amplifier. Naim went ballistic and responded with the Armageddon power supply for the LP12, quickly followed by the ARO pickup arm and then started making speakers. That's ancient history, and I'd guess that Naim and Linn are probably now on speaking terms (like an old divorced couple). But they are strictly competitors rather than partners. The old customer base which once embraced both brands seems to have split into two factions. Funny how HiFi mirrors religion is so many ways. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;295227 Wrote: The point about NAIM is that their gear just sounds superb. The rest is details ;-/ That's why it would be really cool if they came up with a product that isn't so fundamentally flawed! Might sound great *but*... Slim Devices came up with products that are far less flawed (at least for people who aren't scared of computers). While the sound quality may (untested, not flamebait) not be as good as the Linn/Naim players, it's easier to mod to improve the sound quality than it is to sort out the fundamental flaws of design and usage. -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;295227 Wrote: The point about NAIM is that their gear just sounds superb. The rest is details ;-/ I agree with that being a Naimee. To me it is a Naim quality CD player plus a Transporte minus digital in. I am sure sound wise it would at least give the Transporter a good run for the money. Too bad it is sooo much money. Surely the power supply and case isolation would be a lot more than the Transporter? -- agentsmith System 1: SB2 and a mostly Naim system System 2: SB2 connected digitally to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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agentsmith;295438 Wrote: I agree with that being a Naimee. To me it is a Naim quality CD player plus a Transporte minus digital in. I am sure sound wise it would at least give the Transporter a good run for the money. Too bad it is sooo much money. Surely the power supply and case isolation would be a lot more than the Transporter? Personally and in my humble opinion, I really think that the Mac and now Naim NMP come down to the fact that they both know they have to get their hat in the ring, toe in the door, or whatever analogy you want to use. Mac went the dress up somebody elses proven product as a Mac route. Naim looked at what was out there and decided they had to build a product they could put their name on. With Mac setting the bar at $6000, it made it easier for Naim to go over the top. Sure I can see somebody building the audiophile of audiophile Network Media Player. The one with the separate power supply, all digital in another box, and all analog in yet another box while putting a price tag on it that makes it the NMP to have (read second mortgage expensive). But I do not see Naim or Mac trying to do this. They want some skin in the game and are going after the non-computer user that will not believe ripped CDs can sound good unless a name like Mac or Naim is associated with it. It is for the guy/gal that can use a CDP which makes them able to feed a NMP that does it all for them. What really surprised me about the Mac and the Naim was that they did not force you to buy a DAC. When I heard they were going to make a NMP, I was sure it was going to be a head unit with digital out only. But on reflection, I guess that goes against the all in one box theory to get the non computer using audiophile to buy a Network Media Player! I think Wes Philips said it best in his review of the Mac MS750, There are still logical reasons why a consumer might buy a McIntosh MS750, especially if cost is no constraint. In that case, go ahead and get the Mac and the digital processor of your choice. But a little bit of computer savvy, a $300 Slim Devices Squeezebox, and that same processor will get you to the same sonic place for significantly less. Did you notice what I noticed? Wes says buy the Mac (if money isn't an issue) and oh by the way also get the DAC of your choice. I just paid $6000 and I still need to pay another $3000 for the DAC of my choice!? I am with Wes on this one. Buy either the Transporter or put a Duet with the Bel Canto's e.One DAC3 for NMP Audio Nirvana. The thousands one saves can go to buy more CDs and bigger hard drives. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GuyDebord;295240 Wrote: Please dont! do the NAIM vs LINN In my view both brands are worth 50% of their sound in the brand. I have never understood coorporate brand name loyals mcintosh, naim, linn, bw... I guess fierce marketing this days is still pounding strong. Guy, I didn't and wasn't going to. I've never done that. I happen to like the Linn active sound - but you will notice I am not using any Linn source! I am not fiercely brand loyal and If you examined my previous posts you will find that I do not promote Linn at all even though I have £20k of their gear. I also happen to like the aesthetics. I don't mind the Naim aesthetics. I don't care for the sound - I find it rather tiring after a while. YMMV. I just object to blanket statements along the lines of only Naim has p.r.a.t. - this is simply not true. As for the insinuation that I am unduly influenced by marketing hype... 1) I have been using Linn gear since 1982 2) I have had the chief engineer and the head of Marketing in my house delivering and setting up my system, having driven 700 miles from Glasgow (1988). How many corporate brands would do that? (OK I concede that even Linn probably wouldn't do that now, but...) 3) The next system I buy may not be Linn (might be ATC or Meridian active or Acoustic Research+Quad+sub) 4) I understand why people don't like the Linn house sound. Regards Phil -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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Can we come up with why this is a flawed product: http://whathifi.com/hi-fi/archive/2008/04/24/news-naim-s-audiophile-music-server.aspx Although it's good to see another entrant to the audiophile hard-disk-streaming world :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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I can see 3500 reasons I'd rather have a TP... -- radish radish's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=77 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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just to warm up, I see a fan there, I sure hope those HD are well isolated, it rips only in wav? imagine ripping 20,000 cd's in a 4,500 pound device? doesnt seem to have extra digital in's or out's, no to say world clock inputs, and its excessively pricey. -- GuyDebord Verity Audio Tamino X2 wired with v/d Hul Inspiration, REL Strata5. AMPS: Pathos Classic One MKIII's in mono config. ANALOGUE: Clearaudio Ambient CMB, Satisfy Carbon Lyra Helikon SL, Nagra VPS phono preamp, link: AcousticZen Silver Reference2 XLRs. DIGITAL: SlimDevices Transporter, link: WireWorld SilverEclipse 5.2. POWER: Isotek MiniSub GII, Isotek Elite cables (MiniSub, Rel), Siltech SPX30 MKII (Nagra), v/d Hul Mainstream (Pathos) v/d Hul Mainserver (Transporter). GuyDebord's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14587 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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adamslim;295145 Wrote: Can we come up with why this is a flawed product: http://whathifi.com/hi-fi/archive/2008/04/24/news-naim-s-audiophile-music-server.aspx Although it's good to see another entrant to the audiophile hard-disk-streaming world :) Hey at least Naim kept their promise to keep the price under $20,000. But $4500 pounds, they have to really think that the Naim name plate costs L3500. This is worse then what Mac is doing with their player which is really just an off the shelf Escient FireBall MX752 dressed up with the famous Glass Mac faceplate for an extra $2000. It really only does one thing that Transporter can not do, which is play the Linn and Naim high bit high rate downloads. Boy I hope Logitech is working on that. The future is upon us and it is not Blu-Ray audio, it is Network Media Servers and the Internet downloads of very high res audio and video. Off the subject, but I am here to tell you that services are coming that will allow one to download a movie or audio of Blu-ray quality for $8 a movie to a device that will hold only 10 moives. One will be able to keep 9 favorites for as long as one wants but will have to have one ready to delete when one wants a new movie, but sure they will let you re-download anything that you have already rented again for just a dollar. Goodbye Netflix and Blockbuster because one does not have to wait for the mail or have a queue. Just pick the movie one wants and watch it on ones big screen not on ones PC. -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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iPhone;295188 Wrote: It really only does one thing that Transporter can not do, which is play the Linn and Naim high bit high rate downloads. Boy I hope Logitech is working on that. Transporter firmware 40 in the beta SqueezeCenter supports those 88khz files. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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The point about NAIM is that their gear just sounds superb. The rest is details ;-/ Got it? MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;295227 Wrote: The point about NAIM is that their gear just sounds superb. The rest is details ;-/ Got it? MC Well - no not really. Naim is OK. Not definitive. IMHO. I find it rather tiresome personally. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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To be fair, it says it rips CDs at fuil .wav resolution – 16-bit 44.1kHz. This could still mean it uses FLAC on the backend for compression. On Thu, Apr 24, 2008 at 1:14 PM, GuyDebord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just to warm up, I see a fan there, I sure hope those HD are well isolated, it rips only in wav? imagine ripping 20,000 cd's in a 4,500 pound device? doesnt seem to have extra digital in's or out's, no to say world clock inputs, and its excessively pricey. ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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GuyDebord;295240 Wrote: I guess fierce marketing this days is still pounding strong. Nothing to do with brand/marketing. NAIM just swings where other don't. You can hear it. ;-) MC -- ModelCitizen Somewhere, something incredible is waiting to be known. It's the music, stupid. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;295250 Wrote: Nothing to do with brand/marketing. NAIM just swings where other don't. You can hear it. ;-) MC Nope, -you- can hear it. :) Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
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ModelCitizen;295227 Wrote: The point about NAIM is that their gear just sounds superb. The rest is details ;-/ Got it? MC I like Naim gear. They have an idea how HiFi should sound and they make that there mission. All that is fine and it is up to me whether I buy it or not. For my money, I will spend it else where. My real issue is the price. Or am I wrong that 4500 pounds translates to about $9000 USD? -- iPhone iPhone Last.FM http://www.lastfm.com/user/mePhone Media Room: Transporter, Vandersteen Quatro Signature, Ayre MX-R Mono Blocks, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, VCC-5 Reference Center Channel, four VSM-1 Signatures, Runco 710, RAM Oppo DV970HD, VeraStarr 6.4SE Living Room: SqueezeBox Duet, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold Bedroom: Squeezebox 3, Thiel 2.3, NAD C370 iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=46767 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
