Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Curious if you have tried this plugin for Squeezecenter to do roomeq? http://inguzaudio.com/ I personally have not because I do not have the proper equipment to do the measurements. Wonder how it would compare to the Krell? -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Andy, I agree. I did notice the noise floor(I think I may have mentioned this earlier) of the TP being marginally better than my SB3. Again it was very minimal. This along with maybe a bit of better instrument seperation, was about rhe only differences I could hear. In reality, its pretty amazing what the little $300 SB can do! Who knows someday, I may try another TP in my system as it evolves and becomes even more revealing. Thanks guys for letting me be honest about my findings. Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
m1abrams, I have used TrueRTA from trueaudio.com which is a spectrum analyser with sweep generator. A great bit of software, runs on a normal PC and can be set to normalise out any uneven response in PC soundcard to give very good measurement results. You need to buy a reference mike (I bought the behringer) and some type of mixer to provide phantom power for the mike. Having done this, you can drive your system with a sweep, and monitor the room response. It doesn't offer any correction or optimisation features - you have to do all that yourself and see what difference it makes. The krell has a limited set of filters - high pass, low pass, shelf and notch - you can set centre frequency and filter slope. You can have multiple filters on each channel, and each of the 6 channels can have different filters. It is a nightmare to set up, but does make a significant improvement in killing my room boom. The inguz plug in looks very interesting. I will certainly give it a try and report back. Thanks for the link. Andy. -- Andy8421 Andy8421's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Transporter no longer available. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
For those who are interested, I tried a little A/B comparison myself over the weekend with the transporter. I have a Krell Showcase / Martin Logan system which uses balanced connections throughout, so it is (relatively) easy to swap bits in and out of the chain - well at least the plugs all fit. Impossible to do a blind A/B as the Mrs wasn't willing to play. In summary, I could tell the difference between the transporter, the SB3 and the Krell DACs, but it was very subtle. I couldn't identify any difference between the digital output of the transporter and the SB3 (wired, not toslink - I dont have a fibre long enough) driving the Krell. Most noticable difference was removing the Krell processor completely and driving the Krell poweramps directly from the transporter. A bit scary with 250W per channel - I had visions of picking bass driver out of my hair. In this configuration, the noise floor was noticably lower - so much so that I thought long and hard about keeping it that way. The Krell processor has an analogue passthrough mode where it shuts down most of the digital innards to minimise noise - using this and the analogue output of the transporter still had noticably more noise than the transporter direct. Guess that is more do do with the analogue stages after the DAC than the DAC itself. So I would rank the DACs in order of my preference - Transporter, Krell, SB3 and I would say the main difference between the Krell and the Transporter was the noise floor. I ended up with my original setup - transporter into Krell processor into Krell poweramp - this was because the Krell has some limited room equalisation capabilities (switched off for the A/B tests), and my room a dreadfull resonance at around 130Hz. So I have the choice of transporter direct into the Krell with its amazingly quiet noise floor (but the room booms) or through the Krell which is doing goodness knows what to the orginal data but does notch out the resonance. -- Andy8421 Andy8421's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16846 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
a free bump for a great bargain. (Just because you stopped me thinking The Transporter MUST be 10x better than my SB3/Dac combo -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
You probably should have sold it BEFORE you told us that it wasn't better than the $300 SB3 :) -- cruz123 cruz123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18754 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I am a poor salesman I guess:) I wantd to be honest and in fact in the right system, I dont doubt that the TP may be a step up from the SB3. Again, my opinion and YMMV. It was a lot of money for me to spend and unfortunately it has to go. I am sure it will find a happy home soon! -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
The TP does offer a lot more than the SB3, perhaps NOT absoluteely in the sound department, but the look of the thing, the dual displays, and if you use the balanced outputs on itThese things all make a difference for sure to percieved value. Just goes to show, itsd all subjective. I for instance, think Katie Melua cant sing. -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I have dropped the price once again if anyones interested. $1385 plus fees...price negotiable somewhat:) Thanks! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
agentsmith;392500 Wrote: I am interested in getting one as a spare. THinkg about it... By the way, why cant the original poster return it? I thought there is a 3 weeks trial/ Agentsmith, PM sent -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
agentsmith;392500 Wrote: I am interested in getting one as a spare. THinkg about it... By the way, why cant the original poster return it? I thought there is a 3 weeks trial/ I think because he said he purchased it second hand. -- m1abrams m1abrams's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=850 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
m1abrams;392574 Wrote: I think because he said he purchased it second hand. It arrived new to me from a friend who receives Logitech products at a discount. This is the reason why I was better off selling it out right versus returning it. Sorry for the confusion guys. Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;391984 Wrote: Dave, I cant believe no ones interested in a practically brand new TP for just over $1400:) I am interested in getting one as a spare. THinkg about it... By the way, why cant the original poster return it? I thought there is a 3 weeks trial/ -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter, Naim 202/200/Hicap/NAPSC, Harbeth Monitor 30 System 2: SB2 connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I tried A/B comparisons between a Naim CD5 and my Transporter a while back and found exactly the same thing - could not hear any difference. However after a period of extended listening over a few weeks I became sure that I just enjoyed the music more through the Transporter. Having discussed this on the Naim forum, most people agree that you need a period of time to mentally adjust to a new source, then see how it emotionally grabs you. I run a Transporter as my only source through a decent Naim pre/power and am very happy. It compares well with far more expensive sources such as the HDX. If you are happy with the SB3, then great, spend the money elsewhere, but a few hours of A/B switching is not enough to really put it through its paces. -- DaveBk DaveBk... Transporter, Naim NAC 252/SuperCap/NAP300, Guru Pro Audio QM10s DaveBk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19277 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Dave, Probably a valid point, but I did spend quite a few hours listening back and forth and to me the price difference between the two was the main deciding factor. Sure, I may of heard differences the longer i listened to the TP in my system, but to me the money can be spent other places which will net me a larger improvement. Again, personal preferences and YMMV. I cant believe no ones interested in a practically brand new TP for just over $1400:) -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Update: I have lowered the price of my Transporter to $1450 plus SH fees if anyone is interested? Again, it is brand new, and arrived only a week ago. I used it maybe 2-3 hours and it went back in the original box/wrapping. Thank! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
My Sony MD deck is an MDS-JB940. Not sure if they all work the same way, but it's very simple to use as a DAC; connect the digital out of your Squeezebox to one of the digital inputs (my deck has two optical and one RCA digital in, so plenty of choice). Eject any MD. Press the record button and select the correct digital input. Hey presto, it is functioning as a DAC. The only other MD deck I owned was an early Sony one, which I lost in a burglary about 11 years ago, so I can't remember if it did the same thing. Easy enough to check though, simply eject disk and press record, see what happens. -- SJobson Mac Mini - Squeezebox 3 - MF X-Dac V8 - MF XT-100 - Spendor S5e SJobson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
SJobson, Thanks for the info. I have a Sony MZ-R50, it has an optical in with a strange connector, I found the cable that came with it and it is toslink on the output end. The line out is a single mini output so I can use a mini to rca cable and hook it up to my receiver, hard to imagine it would be as good or better than the SB3 but I will give it a try. JDB -- jdbaker SB3/Parasound C2/A51/PSB CHS60's/CHS40/Triad Gold Dipole Inwall Surrounds/Triad Inwall Silver Sub. SB3/Conrad Johnson D/A 2-B Tubed DAC/Yamaha-CR2020/Monitor Audio Silver S6 jdbaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
SJobson;385365 Wrote: While I've not heard a Transporter, it is readily apparent that DACs do not all sound the same. My SB3 sounded better using my old Sony MD deck as a DAC, and really excellent through my current Musical Fidelity X-DAC V8. I'm sure it will be quite apparent whether the Transporter sounds better than the SB3. Do let us know :) Used your Sony MD as a DAC, how did you do this, I need to send in my CJ DAC for repair and have an old Sony MD player sitting around and would like to give it a try. -- jdbaker SB3/Parasound C2/A51/PSB CHS60's/CHS40/Triad Gold Dipole Inwall Surrounds/Triad Inwall Silver Sub. SB3/Conrad Johnson D/A 2-B Tubed DAC/Yamaha-CR2020/Monitor Audio Silver S6 jdbaker's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=8531 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
well here are my thoughts after the TP arrived. I hooked the TP up to my 2ch proceed preamp via the analog connections just as i had my current SB3 connected to utilize their internal DACS. I then level matched the Sb TP so my wife and I would not be fooled by which is better/worse based on how loud one might be. We both listened to dozens of differenent tracks and we both switched the input back/forth between the two. To be perfectly honest, I struggled to notice a difference. I believe the TP had a quieter noise floor and maybe a bit warmer/natural sound but again very very minimal differences. I realized that day how well the SB3 performs considering its cost compared to the TP. therefore I am selling the TP and keeping the SB. Its Brand new, silver, and was only used for less than a few hours. All oringinal packaging etc are included. I would like to get around $1550 plus shipping costs etc for it. Thanks, Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Wow! And thats using the SB3s own internal Dac... Good to know my SB3 through a my DAC is a viable hifi source. Good luck with the sale Brandon! Shame your going to take a hit on what you paid for it though... -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Gazjam;389933 Wrote: Wow! And thats using the SB3s own internal Dac... Good to know my SB3 through a my DAC is a viable hifi source. Good luck with the sale Brandon! Shame your going to take a hit on what you paid for it though... Thanks! Maybe someone with a more revealing setup or better ears will appreciate this neat piece of equipment:) If money was not an object, i would have kept it, but the money can now go for a different upgrade elsewhere. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;389916 Wrote: well here are my thoughts after the TP arrived. I hooked the TP up to my 2ch proceed preamp via the analog connections just as i had my current SB3 connected to utilize their internal DACS. I then level matched the Sb TP so my wife and I would not be fooled by which is better/worse based on how loud one might be. We both listened to dozens of differenent tracks and we both switched the input back/forth between the two. To be perfectly honest, I struggled to notice a difference. I believe the TP had a quieter noise floor and maybe a bit warmer/natural sound but again very very minimal differences. I realized that day how well the SB3 performs considering its cost compared to the TP. therefore I am selling the TP and keeping the SB. Its Brand new, silver, and was only used for less than a few hours. All oringinal packaging etc are included. I would like to get around $1550 plus shipping costs etc for it. Thanks, Brandon Interesting conclusion. I'm sure that will kick off a debate. :) In the meantime, I agree that level matching is vital for comparison. Well done on that score. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Forgot to post this: Transporter for sale link on audiogon: http://www.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?dgtlconv1238023969/Logitech/Slim-Devices-transpor -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Nows the time to treat yourself to a nice new pair of speakers with the cash you saved. Or a turntable Or... Or.. Or. Ach, get summit nice for the Missus! -- Gazjam Gazjam's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=18604 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
If you got it new from Logitech, don't you have a 30 day trial? -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Comparing digital sources is a funny thing. I tried A/B'ing digital sources and they all sounded the same with AB tests. But it only takes a couple of days to realize the sound differences. If your experience is like mine, the Transporter stopped my endless upgrade itch. In the past 2 years I have bought 3 different DACs to mate with my SB2, including Benchmark, Lavry and beresford. All left me want for more. To me the Transporter sounds more open and more detailed than all of the above. I am no good with describing sound but for me a piano sounds like more like the real thing, and violin sounds less edgy. Overall I am a satisfied customer. Since you have bought one you'd be the best judge. I would be interested to know what you think. -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter, Naim 202/200/Hicap/NAPSC/Ariva System 2: SB2 connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Sorry I did not read thru the whole thread. So you did not think it made enough of a difference. Like I said, A/B test of source component is always inconclusive for me. But I guess if you are content with what you already had than good for you. -- agentsmith System 1: Transporter, Naim 202/200/Hicap/NAPSC, Harbeth Monitor 30 System 2: SB2 connected via TOSLINK to a Meridian F80 agentsmith's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
agentsmith;390099 Wrote: Sorry I did not read thru the whole thread. So you did not think it made enough of a difference. Like I said, A/B test of source component is always inconclusive for me. But I guess if you are content with what you already had than good for you. It just was not a noticebale enough improvement for me in my setup to justify the cost difference between the SB3 TP. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
tcutting;390087 Wrote: If you got it new from Logitech, don't you have a 30 day trial? I actually received it from a friend who got it discounted through his work. Sorry for the confusion. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Dacs are funny things. The qualitative change in the sound swapping around DACs is nowhere near as great as changing your speakers, or even repositoning them. Many causual hifi users cannot distinguish between dacs and many audiophiles could not distuinguish between dacs when used with anything but reasonably high end hifi equipment. That said, the apparently very small difference in sound exchanging a dac can make can determine whether the music sounds good or not, whether you tap your foot or not. It's almost more of an emotional thing. Whether this is due to jitter or not I have no idea. That said, the sound of the Tranporter is very removed from the sound of the sb3. The difference should be immediately obvious if the hifi gear you are using is good quality and transparent. It cannot be said whether this difference is solely due to the dac though (in fact, it's certain it is not). Whether you prefer the sound of the Transporter over the SB3 depends upon which device makes makes you tap your foot more vigorously. Well, it does for me anyway. :-) MC SB+ Bryston 4B SST PMC OB1 -- ModelCitizen On average people have fewer than two feet. http://www.last.fm/user/ModelCitizen ModelCitizen's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=446 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
darrenyeats;385743 Wrote: Where Slim Devices score IMO is that they back it up at each price point with -measurable- performance which makes them one of the Good Guys in my book. Darren I can't agree more. ;) In my opinion, most measurable differences in dacs come from three things : a quiet power, an accurate clock and a good analog stage. But, of course, a good dac (on its own) is not enough to make a system sound accurate (or good to you or me, or whatever). Good speakers, neither, mind you. Unfortunately. :) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
ModelCitizen;385860 Wrote: Whether you prefer the sound of the Transporter over the SB3 depends upon The listener to re-enforce your point hopefully :) Over the years I've heard 100's and owned 10's of complete systems. I've always strived for the sound I like, not anyone elses. It does make me laugh when people talk about this box is better than that box. Surely it's just I prefer this box to that one? You'll never convince my Dad that anything sounds better than an old valve mono Roberts radio. Good on him :) I like my Transporter. It looks nice too which helps ;) -- ThatPhilBrettGuy ThatPhilBrettGuy's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=20645 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I'm using a Transporter, through £15k's worth of Naim amps into a pair of GURU QM10... and it sounds fantastic! This is a very capable source that should sound very special in your system. -- DaveBk DaveBk... Transporter, Naim NAC 252/SuperCap/NAP300, Guru Pro Audio QM10s DaveBk's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=19277 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
While I've not heard a Transporter, it is readily apparent that DACs do not all sound the same. My SB3 sounded better using my old Sony MD deck as a DAC, and really excellent through my current Musical Fidelity X-DAC V8. I'm sure it will be quite apparent whether the Transporter sounds better than the SB3. Do let us know :) -- SJobson Mac Mini - Squeezebox 3 - MF X-Dac V8 - MF XT-100 - Spendor S5e SJobson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;385291 Wrote: I am wondering will the Transporter be an improvement over the DAC's in each of my current pieces Yes - yes - yes -- tricka Transporter +/- Lavry DA 10 - LFD Zero - Harbeth C7 es3's Harbethed and lovin it tricka's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=11614 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Interesting thoughts. I would have thought some of the replies would have been the opposite. Truly I do hope to notice a difference (hopefully improvement) when the transporter arrives. I just was more intimidated by all the folks who feel strongly that DAC's are all the same. Any more thoughts from either side of the fence:) Enjoy your weekend! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
I am quite stunned that you expected us to tell you the Transporter would be a waste of money! On the other hand, if you hear no difference you can just send me the Transporter and we will call it even. -- Anne Squeezebox 3 Stereovox XV2 Bryston B100-DA SST Martin Logan Aeon I Anne's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10071 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
DACs definately do not sound the same, and the transporter should be significantlty better than what you currently have. However, you should be aware that the differences between DACs can actually be quite subtle and something you tend to notice more over a period of time rather than something that jumps out at you immediatly. If there is a striking difference, then it is likely that one of them is doing something wrong. In my opinion though, a better source is definatly worth persuing, as although the differences can be much more subtle than something like a change in speakers, over time they seem to be just as, if not more important, in creating an enjoyable sound. -- bludragon bludragon's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1530 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;385459 Wrote: Interesting thoughts. I would have thought some of the replies would have been the opposite. Truly I do hope to notice a difference (hopefully improvement) when the transporter arrives. I just was more intimidated by all the folks who feel strongly that DAC's are all the same. Any more thoughts from either side of the fence:) Enjoy your weekend! Brandon Ah well, if you insist. Considering which parts of the replay chain introduce the most distortion, a fairly decent DAC will not add very much at all compared to the rest. Anyone can form impressions of sources and of course I believe I've heard some genuine differences. But I have experienced my impressions suddenly changing when an accomplice withholds the identity of the source. Whether I listen short or long the ideal would be for me not to know what source I'm listening to, and to form impressions that way. This may sound tricky but I think it's possible - I have a few ideas! Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;385459 Wrote: Interesting thoughts. I would have thought some of the replies would have been the opposite. Truly I do hope to notice a difference (hopefully improvement) when the transporter arrives. I just was more intimidated by all the folks who feel strongly that DAC's are all the same. Any more thoughts from either side of the fence:) Depending on how much of a believer in Jitter you are, the DAC internal to the Transporter will have another advantage to an external DAC: you won't need all the transcievers. Taking a digital electrical output and converting it to optical, sending it down a wire, and then converting the light back into electricity is going to insert some level of jitter into things. LED's don't switch instantly: they switch fast, but not instant. You have the same problem with a coax connection, it isn't just about light, but about the need to use additional circuitry at both ends of the wire or fiber. Removing those components will certainly affect the DACs ability to avoid jitter. (And, yes, I know many high end dacs have jitter-reduction circuits..) Whether you hear it or not, well, that's another question. -- snarlydwarf snarlydwarf's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1179 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;385291 Wrote: My situation is this, I read and read that one group of people believe a better DAC will be noticeable in a mid-upper level system, while others believe a DAC is a DAC, they all do the same and sound the same. Haha. Very funny ! :D In fact, Slim Devices are just a bunch of crooks who sell a -slightly- prettier device (the Transporter) *much* more expensive than an SB Classic, just taking advantage of some easily influenced (and rather rich) audiophiles who naively believe some snake-oil sellers claiming that dacs sound differently. *** shht it's a secret *** ;) -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Denon 3808 - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus Themis's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=14700 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bludragon;385573 Wrote: DACs definately do not sound the same, and the transporter should be significantlty better than what you currently have. However, you should be aware that the differences between DACs can actually be quite subtle and something you tend to notice more over a period of time rather than something that jumps out at you immediatly. If there is a striking difference, then it is likely that one of them is doing something wrong. In my opinion though, a better source is definatly worth persuing, as although the differences can be much more subtle than something like a change in speakers, over time they seem to be just as, if not more important, in creating an enjoyable sound. This makes sense. I would not expect to hear a sizeable difference but more subtle over time as you have mentioned. I am content with nearly every other chain of my system, this is one last area I want to try. -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Themis;385634 Wrote: Haha. Very funny ! :D In fact, Slim Devices are just a bunch of crooks who sell a -slightly- prettier device (the Transporter) *much* more expensive than an SB Classic, just taking advantage of some easily influenced (and rather rich) audiophiles who naively believe some snake-oil sellers claiming that dacs sound differently. *** shht it's a secret *** ;) Ah Themis, I was waiting for your post. :) How something sounds, or whether it sounds different at all, can be debated endlessly and often it is around here. :) Where Slim Devices score IMO is that they back it up at each price point with -measurable- performance which makes them one of the Good Guys in my book. Darren -- darrenyeats SB3 / Inguz - Krell KAV-300i (pre bypass) - PMC AB-1 Dell laptop - JVC UX-C30 mini system darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
darrenyeats;385743 Wrote: Ah Themis, I was waiting for your post. :) How something sounds, or whether it sounds different at all, can be debated endlessly and often it is around here. :) Where Slim Devices score IMO is that they back it up at each price point with -measurable- performance which makes them one of the Good Guys in my book. Darren Good to know, thanks! If there is some measureable difference(in a good way), I will be very happy /impressed. To me the SB3 does sound good, but its tough to believe for $300, there is not room for improvement. Now, I hope to get the darn thing sometime end of next week so I can hear it:) -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
bigbwb;385758 Wrote: Good to know, thanks! If there is some measureable difference(in a good way), I will be very happy /impressed. To me the SB3 does sound good, but its tough to believe for $300, there is not room for improvement. Now, I hope to get the darn thing sometime end of next week so I can hear it:) Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that there HAS to be a straight line correlation between cost and quality, Keep an open mind! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods)- Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber Chord cables Outdoors: Boombox+Creative Sub (If I remember to turn it on...) Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Phil Leigh;385763 Wrote: Please don't fall into the trap of thinking that there HAS to be a straight line correlation between cost and quality, Keep an open mind! You are right. That is why I and i alone need to make the decision on what improvment(if any) the transporter will make in my setup. You guys have all been very helpful and level headed. Its too easy to get carried away in this hobby:) -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
[SlimDevices: Audiophiles] Transporter on the way vs my exsisting SB3
Hello all, I have been very happy with my current SB3 since i got it in the fall. I fell upon an opportunity to pick up a reasonably priced Transporter to replace the SB3. My situation is this, I read and read that one group of people believe a better DAC will be noticeable in a mid-upper level system, while others believe a DAC is a DAC, they all do the same and sound the same. I plan to test both while there in my setup but i am seeking some opinions. As a reference point my setup is this: Ascend Sierras for main speakers Proceed Amp3 for fronts Proceed Preamp Oppo 980 SB3 The oppo SB3 DAC's are in use due to the analog preamp. So ultimately I am wondering will the Transporter be an improvement over the DAC's in each of my current pieces being it can use its own for streaming files other digital inputs. I just wanted to hear some thoughts before it arrives. Thanks guys! Brandon -- bigbwb bigbwb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17407 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=58311 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
