Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
earwaxer9;628211 Wrote: As far as the toslink connector - I cant see how that has anything to do with the transmission of the light as long as its lined up properly. My DAC will actually pick up the light signal and transmit very good sound even before it is fully plugged in! I tried holding the cable a few mm from the jack and I still got sound. I have seen gold plated toslink connectors. Cant see the point! Its not electrical! You are missing my point - it's not about the connectors being made of unobtanium - it's about whether or not they mechanically fit properly - if not you can get significant transmission loss/reflection/problems. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF M1 DAC - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Hi just to note I am using basic (certainly not exotic) quality coaxial to stream digital output over 3 rooms via the loft for the past 5 years; probably around 50m with negligible deficit. why not stream over squeezebox? Well SB doesn't accept digital input eg from a cd player. The old sonos boxes did this. So i stream from the PC wirelessly but from sky, CD, sacd etc via spdif. Sound even copes with a splitter/router box. -- ajmitchell http://www.last.fm/user/ajmitchell ajmitchell's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=800 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Phil Leigh;604083 Wrote: Darren, you simply have to try both and see which you prefer. There are no hard rules, it depends on the DAC. As for glass vs plastic... for the lengths we are talking about it's irrelevant. I've used 5m cables with no drop-out/lock problems. IMO the most important part of any Toslink is NOT the cable, it's the connectors. If they aren't right, you can get significant transmission loss. I have been experimenting a bit with the toslink. I decided to use toslink to my subwoffer DAC - some 20 ft from my rig. I started with coax and switched out a cheap toslink for comparison. Very easy decision. At least with the MSB Link III, toslink is much better over that length. That was using an el-cheapo $5 plastic toslink cable. I recently bought a glass one to replace the plastic. Quite frankly, I thought the difference was going to be greater. It is better, to the extent that the bass is better defined, in that, it is quite a bit easier to tune the sub to the rest of the system. This I have been struggling with for quite some time. Never really happy with my crossover frequency and always tweaking the steepness and band of the crossover. In other words - a much wider sweet spot with the sub. As far as the toslink connector - I cant see how that has anything to do with the transmission of the light as long as its lined up properly. My DAC will actually pick up the light signal and transmit very good sound even before it is fully plugged in! I tried holding the cable a few mm from the jack and I still got sound. I have seen gold plated toslink connectors. Cant see the point! Its not electrical! -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub slave amp, JPS labs power cords, Silver audio interconnect, Audioquest Granite speaker cable. earwaxer9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Actually Steve says it should either be greater than 1.5M or very short (less than a foot). ALL the TOSLINK interfaces used by everybody are all made by Toshiba (hence the TOS part) they only offer a fairly limited range of devices. The receivers come in low bandwidth and really low bandwidth. They used to make a much higher bandwidth receiver, but they stopped making them a few years ago. The transmitters generally have greater bandwidth than the receivers. There actually is a significant difference between glass and plastic. Plastic is almost always a single fiber which has a much greater diameter than the wavelength of light used. It behaves like a light pipe, light rays bounce off the walls with the signal zig-zagging down the length. On a longer cable you can easily get a significant differfence in path length between rays that enter the fiber at different angles. A glass one is usually a bundle of very thin glass fibers, the light doesn't zig-zagg in this arrangement. Rays entering the bundle at different angles hit different fibers, all of which have a very similar flight time. With short lengths this difference is probably not much of an issue but for longer connections it could easily be significant. John S. -- JohnSwenson JohnSwenson's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=5974 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
After reading some internet discussion a year or so ago, I compared an Amazon Basics TOSlink cable (about $8) to a Canare/Neutrik 110ohm AES/EBU cable in the digital effects loop of my Transporter.I just wanted to hear the STAGGERING differences for myself. Over a period of evenings going back and forth...back and forthI concluded that I heard absolutely nothing different between those two different conduits. I concluded that perhaps: A). My hearing is terrible. B) I need a more resolving system, or C). I had just wasted several evenings of relaxing listening time making this stupid comparison. I kept the TOSlink, and put the AES/EBU cable in a box. YMMV -- Curt962 Transporter...TouchBoom.. Curt962's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31949 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
If the length of an s/pdif cable makes a difference to your DAC, don't buy more s/pdif cables, sell your DAC and buy one that works properly. Why throw good money after bad? -- JezA JezA's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=21219 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
At the risk of getting a reputation for being deaf (!) I've now tried my coax versus my optical and I couldn't detect any difference, using a Benchmark DAC1 HDR. I am using optical for convenience - shorter and I can skip all discussion of cable-borne noise! Regards, Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
darrenyeats;625481 Wrote: At the risk of getting a reputation for being deaf (!) I've now tried my coax versus my optical and I couldn't detect any difference, using a Benchmark DAC1 HDR. I am using optical for convenience - shorter! Regards, Darren Understand that if you actually could detect a difference it would more likely mean that something is broken in your DAC or one of the cables! -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
The reason for the =1.5m length has to do with controlling signal reflection due to impedance discontinuity on the receiving end. For example, my TacT 2.2xp has poor internal construction in terms of impedance control. A 1.5m cable sounded significantly better than a 1m cable from my Transporter (stronger, deeper bass, better dynamics, etc). It is because the longer cable will cause the reflection to travel a longer distance and it allows the original signal rising edge to complete the signal transition before the reflection arrives, preventing interference to the original signal rising edge. The cable length is a function of output pulse transformer's pulse rising time, cable dielectrics and cable inductance. 1.5m is probably on the best case scenerio. One can also put a 3db or 6db attenuator on the receiving end, to reduce the effect on signal reflection. If the signal receiving gear has well controlled impedance, then little or no impedance discontinuity occurs. A shorter cable is preferred in this case. It is because longer cable will have a longer signal rising edge. Usually, the addition signal delay is 1.4ns/ft. In general, we want shorter signal rising edge for better performance. -- Kuro Kuro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16701 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
As I mentioned on the other thread I'm trying a 1.5m coax versus 0.5m optical. Not sure if the optical is supposed to be (according to theory) =1.5m or 2.5m or whatever...but I went short anyway. I'm guessing there aren't mirrors at the ends of the sockets! -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
darrenyeats;604000 Wrote: It seems the length which every camp might find acceptable is 1.5m. What about optical cables - is length significant and why? I hear glass is better than plastic...any comments? So, coax versus optical on the SB Touch - does anyone have any comments? Regards, Darren Darren, you simply have to try both and see which you prefer. There are no hard rules, it depends on the DAC. As for glass vs plastic... for the lengths we are talking about it's irrelevant. I've used 5m cables with no drop-out/lock problems. IMO the most important part of any Toslink is NOT the cable, it's the connectors. If they aren't right, you can get significant transmission loss. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Can it not be dependent on the gear you are using some tos transmitter and recievers are not fantastic they say ? making the the optical interface having less bandwidth than the electrical interface that's a pity it has potential to be significantly faster. But this info was absorbed trough hifi press :-/ I may be wrong or this info was correct in the early digital age but things have moved on and got better. I often used tos to the cabel-tv box an elegant way to not need antenna isolators for the hum loop. It is probably wrong to dismiss it directly try what works best for you. OT is hdmi current loops and galvanically isolated ? -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
It seems the length which every camp might find acceptable is 1.5m. What about optical cables - is length significant and why? I hear glass is better than plastic...any comments? So, coax versus optical on the SB Touch - does anyone have any comments? Regards, Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. SB3, SB Touch SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
pski;602916 Wrote: moot adjective 1. open to discussion or debate; debatable: a moot point. A very misunderstood word ! adjective 2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic. (In other words, knowing how to prevent reflections in SPDIF signals is of no practical value when it's not possible to actually achieve it in most cases. This was the sense in which I used the word). -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
cliveb;602949 Wrote: adjective 2. of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic. (In other words, knowing how to prevent reflections in SPDIF signals is of no practical value when it's not possible to actually achieve it in most cases. This was the sense in which I used the word). Yeah, yeah, yeah. The second definition is always most important, especially when your example is included in the first definition. I seem to remember the phrase moot point. Mrn (SANS VOWELS) -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
cliveb;602357 Wrote: Proper 75ohm cable termination would indeed do the trick. But since most SPDIF connections use RCA plugs/sockets, that's a moot point - the basic geometry of an RCA connector means 75ohm is not achievable. moot adjective 1. open to discussion or debate; debatable: a moot point. A very misunderstood word ! -- pski real stereo doesn't just wake the neighbors, it -enrages- them.. pski's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=15574 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Griffin;602275 Wrote: Do you have a pointer to his explanation? As far as I know from the top of my head, the IEC 60958 II cable should be terminated correctly (@75Ohms), just to get rid of these things. Proper 75ohm cable termination would indeed do the trick. But since most SPDIF connections use RCA plugs/sockets, that's a moot point - the basic geometry of an RCA connector means 75ohm is not achievable. -- cliveb Transporter - ATC SCM100A cliveb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Hers's a discussion on the very topic: http://www.diyhifi.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2t=1943start=0 Dave -- DaveWr DaveWr's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9331 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
According to the specification, up to 5 meter should be OK. -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Griffin, Sorry I should have made it clearer. SN says these cables SHOULD be at least 1.5m long. DL says that's wrong - there is no minimum length like that and in fact shorter is better. These are the two conflicting views I've read. Darren -- darrenyeats http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/richpub/listmania/byauthor/A3H57URKQB8AQO/ref=cm_pdp_content_listmania/203-7606506-5721503. (Inguz bass EQ'd) SB3 - (pre bypassed) Krell KAV-300i - PMC AB-1 (caps bass EQ'd) Desktop - Genius Slab SW-flat2.1 700 Sennheiser HD 25-1 II SB Touch - [Awaiting delivery: Benchmark DAC1 HDR - ATC SCM50ASL + ATC C4 Sub] SqueezeControl for Android darrenyeats's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10799 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
darrenyeats;602253 Wrote: Griffin, Sorry I should have made it clearer. SN says these cables SHOULD be at least 1.5m long. DL says that's wrong - there is no minimum length like that and in fact shorter is better. These are the two conflicting views I've read. Darren I'm with SN for what it's worth. Having said that, I've yet to hear or measure (ADM) ANY difference with exotic silver cables vs BJ belden (regardless of length!)... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
darrenyeats;602253 Wrote: SN says these cables SHOULD be at least 1.5m long. That is about the weirdest thing I've heard in a long time. What is his reasoning for recommending a minimum length? I'm not at work at the moment, but I'm pretty sure the standard doesn't mention a minimum length. I'll look it up tomorrow morning (if I can remember... ;)). -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Griffin;602271 Wrote: That is about the weirdest thing I've heard in a long time. What is his reasoning for recommending a minimum length? I'm not at work at the moment, but I'm pretty sure the standard doesn't mention a minimum length. I'll look it up tomorrow morning (if I can remember... ;)). reflectance back down the transmission line... The science/maths is reasonably sound. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Phil Leigh;602273 Wrote: reflectance back down the transmission line... The science/maths is reasonably sound. Do you have a pointer to his explanation? As far as I know from the top of my head, the IEC 60958 II cable should be terminated correctly (@75Ohms), just to get rid of these things. -- Griffin Griffin's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] S/PDIF cables should be (a) - =1.5m or (b) as short as possible?
Griffin;602275 Wrote: Do you have a pointer to his explanation? As far as I know from the top of my head, the IEC 60958 II cable should be terminated correctly (@75Ohms), just to get rid of these things. http://www.positive-feedback.com/Issue14/spdif.htm unfortunately neither the cable or the terminators are exactly 75 ohm in practice... (cable typically rated +/- 3 ohms for example...and a 75 ohm rca connector is basically impossible to construct, no matter what Canare say. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - TACT 2.2X (Linear PSU) + Good Vibrations S/W - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84751 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/audiophiles
