Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Saran;322460 Wrote: > Actually, *that is not true*! > None of this discussion was NOT about the Squeezebox Receiver, or Controller. This was about the Squeezebox Classic. In the case of the Classic, it is true. Even in the Receiver/Controller mode, you do not need to enable bridge mode. If you have a wifi AP, with the Receiver and Squeezecenter on wired networking, it would not need to enable the wifi module in the Receiver. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
> The bad odor of the cat cable waste matter has been known to render > some homes unlivable. You are supposed to do periodic maintenance on the cat cable box. If you fail, yes, it can be smelly > There are also a growing number of audiophiles complaining that cat > cable introduces a high frequency hash into the system that sounds > curiously like meowing. The meowing is not so bad, altho some audiophiles report that it happens periodically. The worse problem is the sounds made during mating. You really need to keep you male cat cables away from your female cat cables -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
I want to offer a contrarian opinion on using cat5 or 6 cable. Although some audiophile swear by it's sonic virtues IMO Cat cable is full of problems. 1st is the manufacturing of cat cable, tying the tail of one cat to the neck of another is a laborious process and hence the talk of the expense of professsional install. Remember that as well as the intraveinous nutrients the cat cable requires there is also the anti growth hormone necessary to keep the cat cable growing and exploding the walls or floors. The bad odor of the cat cable waste matter has been known to render some homes unlivable. There are also a growing number of audiophiles complaining that cat cable introduces a high frequency hash into the system that sounds curiously like meowing. I have enormous respect for Pat's opinions but, this one time, I disagree with his recommendation of the finnicky Cat cable. -- tomjtx tomjtx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7449 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Your questions have already been answered, but I noticed something: Willie B;319132 Wrote: > ...stick a server in the understairs cupboard... ...be careful with that idea. You can do it, but do it well. Computers do not like heat and they do not like dust, and sticking them in a cupboard may be a very good way to shorten your server's lifespan. So...is your server fanless? If so, good for you, but put a vent in the cupboard door anyway. Does it have a fan? Danger, danger! That means it both produces enough heat to require a fan, AND it produces its own airflow to collect dust over time. So vent the door, elevate the server, and stick a thermomenter in there for the first few days. And check in on it every so often. An unusual sound or smell may mean server failure is only seconds away. FWIW my server's in a closet too. Fanless, elevated, vented door, with other networking gear and a UPS. -- CatBus CatBus's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7461 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
SuperQ;319920 Wrote: > Yes, the wifi card is disabled when in wired mode. Actually, *that is not true*! >From the 'Squeezebox Duet User Manual' (http://www.slimdevices.com/documentation/WEB_Duet_User_Guide_EN.pdf) (pg. 4, chapter "Choose Your Network Setup"): -"A “bridged” installation, used when you only have a wired network. In this configuration, Squeezebox Receiver is connected to your network with an ethernet cable, and *Squeezebox Controller uses the Receiver as a “bridge” back to your network*."- So, because the Controller can't be connected by cable, it depends on the Receiver to serve as an access point for it. -- Saran Saran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17227 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
I had new wooden floors fitted and thought wifi would do. It's now t late and I wish I used cable! Gr Even if you don't use it run the cable anyway. You don't mention if you will run the cable yourself? If you are thinking about doing it yourself and the cable is not terminated the information to do it is on the web and it's very very easy. The crimps etc you need will cost way less than paying someone to do it. Here's a good guide: http://www.lanshack.com/make-cat5E.aspx although it's for cat5 it's the same for cat6. Although cat6 has a shielding core, bit trickier to use than cat5. You will mess the first few up:-) I still manage to miss a wire and I've done hundreds. But that could just be my fat fingers;-) The comments about using CAT6 are correct, no need for it (technically at the moment) but as it's a "once in a lifetime" chance to run hidden cable go for CAT6. The only real reason to do it now technically is if the cable run is very long or if there is a chance of interference from other electrical items. In a domestic situation this is unlikely. (CAT^6 has better shielding) -- mikeruss mikeruss's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9023 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
SuperQ;319920 Wrote: > Yes, the wifi card is disabled when in wired mode. There has been no > reproducible audio differences with the wifi card on or off. It really > doesn't matter. Thanks for the confirmation :) -- Saran Saran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17227 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Saran;319726 Wrote: > If the network cable is plugged into the SB, is the WIFI module > automatically disabled (it's radio is turned off) or this can be done > via some configuration? > Please direct me to the thread this was answered/discussed, if you > know. > > IMO, having a high frequency radio (i.e. wifi) close to other internal > components (namely its DAC) shouldn't be so forgiving on the sound > quality. Yes, the wifi card is disabled when in wired mode. There has been no reproducible audio differences with the wifi card on or off. It really doesn't matter. -- SuperQ SuperQ's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2139 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
adamslim;319443 Wrote: > IME I agree, although some have thought they heard a difference, and it > could be valid to claim that the wifi card could have some impact. > Much flaming has occurred on this. If the network cable is plugged into the SB, is the WIFI module automatically disabled (it's radio is turned off) or this can be done via some configuration? Please direct me to the thread this was answered/discussed, if you know. IMO, having a high frequency radio (i.e. wifi) close to other internal components (namely its DAC) shouldn't be so forgiving on the sound quality. -- Saran Saran's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17227 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
DCtoDaylight;319332 Wrote: > I gotta agree with Pat here, if you're running copper, why not future > proof and run CAT6? It's not required, even for Gigabit ethernet CAT5e > is fine, but it the cost difference is small compared to the labour and > effort. Just so there's no misunderstanding I'd also run Cat6 - but NOT for it "audio" properties! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Sonically, I have trouble hearing a difference on a class N network. I think for network stability though, you should go wired if it's possible. -- HectorHughMunro HectorHughMunro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=16514 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Phil Leigh;319141 Wrote: > Wireless vs wired makes NO difference to sound quality. Wireless either > works or it doesn't IME I agree, although some have thought they heard a difference, and it could be valid to claim that the wifi card could have some impact. Much flaming has occurred on this. Interestingly, it strikes me that there is a way around this - use a Receiver in bridge mode as a wifi receiver, feeding ethernet to the Transporter. Effectively your TP then becomes a two-box product - one to receive the wifi, and one to do all the sound stuff. Obviously pointless, but fun pointless :) -- adamslim Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others SB+, EAR V20, Living Voice OBX-R2s plus some other stuff SB3, Charlize, Harbeth HL-P3ES adamslim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7355 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
I gotta agree with Pat here, if you're running copper, why not future proof and run CAT6? It's not required, even for Gigabit ethernet CAT5e is fine, but it the cost difference is small compared to the labour and effort. -- DCtoDaylight Audiophile wish list: Zero Distortion, Infinite Signal to Noise Ratio, and a Bandwidth from DC to Daylight DCtoDaylight's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=7284 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Phil Leigh wrote: >> Always use copper in preference to radios, assuming that you are doing >> construction. > > Pat, yes but as you well know, CAT6 won't affect AUDIO quality. Of > course one should use decent ethernet cable for its NETWORKING > properties... For sure. Unless you buy big bucks switches, nothing really runs that needs CAT6. And it never will impact audio quality. But unlike audiocables, where some cost $5, and some $50, and some $500, for little or nor difference, CATA6 is only slightly more expensive than CAT5, Since the labor cost overwhelms the cost of the wiring, there is no sense not dragging the good stuff today. You can always buy the GigE switches later -- often you can't drag the cable later. The only audio quality difference was fixed with the SB2 came out with native Flac and 11g support. With an ancient SB1 using 11b, you could hear the difference, flac would studder. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
pfarrell;319221 Wrote: > Phil Leigh wrote: > > Wireless vs wired makes NO difference to sound quality. Wireless > either > > works or it doesn't > > > > Type of ethernet cable makes NO difference to sound quality > > But, given that most of the cost of installing cable is the labor, not > the wire, there is no reason not to run good CAT6 cable these days. > > > If you have the choice, go wired. IMHO wireless should ONLY be used > > where it is the only practical option... > > Always use copper in preference to radios, assuming that you are doing > construction. > > I have WiFi in my house, but also 1500 feet of CAT5 cable. > > > -- > Pat Farrell > http://www.pfarrell.com/ Pat, yes but as you well know, CAT6 won't affect AUDIO quality. Of course one should use decent ethernet cable for its NETWORKING properties... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Phil Leigh wrote: > Wireless vs wired makes NO difference to sound quality. Wireless either > works or it doesn't > > Type of ethernet cable makes NO difference to sound quality But, given that most of the cost of installing cable is the labor, not the wire, there is no reason not to run good CAT6 cable these days. > If you have the choice, go wired. IMHO wireless should ONLY be used > where it is the only practical option... Always use copper in preference to radios, assuming that you are doing construction. I have WiFi in my house, but also 1500 feet of CAT5 cable. -- Pat Farrell http://www.pfarrell.com/ ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
I agree with Phil. I've compared both in my system a few times and cannot tell the difference. -- avta avta's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1860 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
Re: [SlimDevices: Audiophiles] WIfi or hard wire between server and squeezebox
Willie B;319132 Wrote: > Hi - I have been using a squeezebox for a few months with a wifi > connection to my home computer. I am now thinking of going down the > dedicated server route. We are about to install wood floors in lounge > and hall so I have the opportunity to stick a server in the understairs > cupboard and run a cable under the new floor straight to the hifi area. > > My questions are: > > Would a hard wire connection be better than wifi (or at least give me a > second option when the wifi is down)? > > If I do this what is the best value cable (optimum sound quality for > reasonable price) and any suggestions for suppliers? > > I would be looking at about 8 metres of cabling - would this affect > sound quality? > > Sorry for all these questions but I love music and am not very > technical. Will be off line for a few hours now but will log in later > on.# > > Best wishes > > Willie B Wireless vs wired makes NO difference to sound quality. Wireless either works or it doesn't Type of ethernet cable makes NO difference to sound quality Wired is more reliable than wireless and performs better (nothing to do with sound quality) as a computer networking method. If you have the choice, go wired. IMHO wireless should ONLY be used where it is the only practical option... However if you are streaming mp3 or using internet radio then wireless can usually be made to work OK provided you have a decent WAP/Router and you are not too far away from it. -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal...SB3+Stontronics PSU - Altmann JISCO/UPCI - TACT RCS 2.2X with Good Vibrations S/W - MF X-DAC V3/X-PSU/X-10 buffer (Audiocomm full mods)- Linn 5103 - Linn Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Townsend Supertweeters, Kimber & Chord cables Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=49777 ___ audiophiles mailing list audiophiles@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/lists/listinfo/audiophiles
