Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Terry Neumann]

This site may help in cracking the codes being used for this comps at 
Waikerie anyway.


http://soaringweb.org/TP/Waikerie_local

Choose your format from those on offer.   The first on the list of 
offerings (Control Points) in pdf format was the most helpful for this 
interested and hitherto bewildered onlooker.


I really enjoyed the brief visit to Waikerie yesterday for the launch 
part of the event - as it happens it's almost exactly 40 years since the 
World Gliding Championships were at Waikerie. Several of the gliders 
which were there 40 years ago are still being flown today - at least one 
of them in this comp.   None of us who were there will ever forget the 
experience, or the effect it had on the sport in Australia.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mike Borgelt]

At 11:37 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:


I thought computers were supposed to be mankind's servant not the
other way around.


Ha! We've convinced those stupid carbon based lifeforms to not only 
create us and cater to our every whim but they have made their entire 
civilisation depend on us. Our time will come.


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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mike Borgelt]

Yes, that too but why would anyone put into an 
official CONTEST database two or three points 
with similar names within a few kilometers of each other?

One of the points is all you need. Confusion and ambiguity eliminated.
I'm talking about a contest database of 
turnpoints, not a general area database.
The Brits had one of those a few years ago with 
about 900 points covering the UK. Many were like 
Little Graunching in the Marshes Church Steeple, 
LGITM railway station, LGITM river bridge, LGITM road junction, etc etc.

I'm sure there were really effectively about 250.
Even if planning a record or badge flight with 
minimum leg requirements there's nothing to stop 
you creating a custom turnpoint at any point 
defined by lat and long to fit your requirement 
if one of the published points doesn't quite fit.

That is one effect of using GNSS systems.

Mike






At 11:47 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
But don't we now fly to GPS co-ordinates rather 
than physical landmarks? I thought physical 
landmarks went the way of the turn-point camera 
- even though they are my preference.



Regards,


Dave

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From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in 
Australia.' 

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

" How is having a name instead of a number 
likely to lead to more confusion in the official 
contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?"


· Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing
· Bobedah Town Hall,   Bobedah Road Junc
· Boggabilla, Boggabri
· Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool
· Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc
· Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo
· Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo
· Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West
· Forbes A/F, Forbes  Silo
· Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo
· Temora A/F, Temora Silo
· Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley 
West (Silo)...


I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike.
ROSS
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

Depends on the device and how the database is 
organised and how you choose turnpoints.


How is having a name instead of a number likely 
to lead to more confusion in the official 
contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?


Presumably the names are spelled correctly and 
the coordinates supplied by the organisers.



Mike

.At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:

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From a competitor's point of view the new 
turnpoint naming convention of number/name is 
great as it avoids any possible confusion 
regarding which turnpoint has been set for the 
task. Also makes it much easier to input the 
task accurately into the logger/flight 
computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air 
they are really much easier and faster  to use.

ROSS
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From: 
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[ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT

From: 
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[ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

With the added advantage that casual visitors to 
the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-)


Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the 
pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe 
Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes 
inputting tasks to a device easier.


Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders 
<resand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some bo

Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Dave Donald]

But don't we now fly to GPS co-ordinates rather than physical landmarks? I 
thought physical landmarks went the way of the turn-point camera - even though 
they are my preference.


 
Regards,


Dave

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 From: Ross McLean 
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' 
 
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 


" How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in 
the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?"
 
· Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing
· Bobedah Town Hall,   Bobedah Road Junc   
· Boggabilla, Boggabri 
· Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool   
· Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc
· Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo
· Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo
· Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West
· Forbes A/F, Forbes  Silo
· Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo
· Temora A/F, Temora Silo
· Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West 
(Silo)...
 
I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike.
ROSS
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From:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 
Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose 
turnpoints.

How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in 
the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?

Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by the 
organisers.


Mike

.At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:


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Content-Language: en-au

From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of 
number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which 
turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the 
task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the 
air they are really much easier and faster  to use.
ROSS
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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 
The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT
 
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 
With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where 
the task is for the day :-)

Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot 
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to 
a device easier.

Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
> 
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
> 
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Ron Sanders]

The confusion only comes from the space available for the name being
limited by the computer.
In the English language there is no confusion between Bobedah road
junction and Bobedah Town hall.
I thought computers were supposed to be mankind's servant not the
other way around.
Ron

On 8 January 2014 09:29, Ross McLean  wrote:
> " How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion
> in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?"
>
>
>
> · Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing
>
> · Bobedah Town Hall,   Bobedah Road Junc
>
> · Boggabilla, Boggabri
>
> · Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool
>
> · Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc
>
> · Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo
>
> · Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo
>
> · Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West
>
> · Forbes A/F, Forbes  Silo
>
> · Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo
>
> · Temora A/F, Temora Silo
>
> · Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West
> (Silo)...
>
>
>
> I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike.
>
> ROSS
>
> _
>
>
>
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
> Borgelt
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
>
>
>
> Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose
> turnpoints.
>
> How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in
> the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?
>
> Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by
> the organisers.
>
>
> Mike
>
> .At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
>
> Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
>  boundary="=_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160"
> Content-Language: en-au
>
> From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of
> number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which
> turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the
> task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in
> the air they are really much easier and faster  to use.
> ROSS
> _
>
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
>
> The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
> eg 47PATA
> MT
>
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
> mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt
> Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
>
> With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea
> where the task is for the day :-)
>
> Mike
>
>
> At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
> Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot
> meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks
> to a device easier.
>
> Regards Grant.
>
> Grant Hudson
>
>> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
>>
>> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>>
>> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
>> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
>> can tell me why??
>> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
>> has made some kind of policy decision.
>>
>> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mike Borgelt]

Presumably the turnpoint comes with the lat and 
long on the official list. That removes any ambiguity.


So, no, you don't have a point in the days of GPS and databases.

Mike

At 11:29 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:

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" How is having a name instead of a number 
likely to lead to more confusion in the official 
contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?"


· Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing
· Bobedah Town Hall,   Bobedah Road Junc
· Boggabilla, Boggabri
· Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool
· Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc
· Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo
· Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo
· Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West
· Forbes A/F, Forbes  Silo
· Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo
· Temora A/F, Temora Silo
· Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley 
West (Silo)...


I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike.
ROSS
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

Depends on the device and how the database is 
organised and how you choose turnpoints.


How is having a name instead of a number likely 
to lead to more confusion in the official 
contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?


Presumably the names are spelled correctly and 
the coordinates supplied by the organisers.



Mike

.At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
 boundary="=_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160"
Content-Language: en-au

From a competitor's point of view the new 
turnpoint naming convention of number/name is 
great as it avoids any possible confusion 
regarding which turnpoint has been set for the 
task. Also makes it much easier to input the 
task accurately into the logger/flight 
computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air 
they are really much easier and faster  to use.

ROSS
_ 



From: 
aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT

From: 
aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[ mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

With the added advantage that casual visitors to 
the contest have no idea where the task is for the day :-)


Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the 
pilots at a recent nats pilot meeting (maybe 
Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes 
inputting tasks to a device easier.


Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders 
<resand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
>
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Ross McLean]

" How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion
in the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?"

 

. Jandowie, Jandowie North, Jandowie Crossing

. Bobedah Town Hall,   Bobedah Road Junc   

. Boggabilla, Boggabri 

. Carinda East, Carinda Swim Pool   

. Collie A/F, Collie Road Junc

. Condobolin TerminlBldng, Condobolin Silo

. Coonabarabran, Coonabarabran Silo

. Coonamble TerminlBldng, Coonamble Silo, Coonamble West

. Forbes A/F, Forbes  Silo

. Gilgandra A/F, Gilgandra TerminlBldng, Gilgandra Beehive Silo

. Temora A/F, Temora Silo

. Tomingley Road Junction, Tomingley West
(Silo)...

 

I could go on but you probably get the idea by now Mike.

ROSS


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 10:45 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

 

Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you choose
turnpoints.

How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more confusion in
the official contest turnpoint database or which turnpoint has been set?

Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates supplied by
the organisers.


Mike

.At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:



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>From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of
number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which
turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the
task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in
the air they are really much easier and faster  to use.
ROSS

_ 
 
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
 ] On Behalf Of Mandy
Temple
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 
The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT
 
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [
mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
 ] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 
With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea
where the task is for the day :-)

Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks
to a device easier.

Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
> 
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
> 
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mike Borgelt]

Depends on the device and how the database is organised and how you 
choose turnpoints.


How is having a name instead of a number likely to lead to more 
confusion in the official contest turnpoint database or which 
turnpoint has been set?


Presumably the names are spelled correctly and the coordinates 
supplied by the organisers.



Mike

.At 10:30 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0162_01CF0C5C.A9DFE160"
Content-Language: en-au

From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming 
convention of number/name is great as it avoids any possible 
confusion regarding which turnpoint has been set for the task. Also 
makes it much easier to input the task accurately into the 
logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in the air they are 
really much easier and faster  to use.

ROSS
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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy Temple

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT

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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no 
idea where the task is for the day :-)


Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats 
pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes 
inputting tasks to a device easier.


Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders 
<resand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
>
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Tim Shirley]

  
  
Hi all,

Waypoint files can have both a code value and a full name.  Loggers
(and See You) can generally use either.  There is good reason for
this, because there are two sets of users - the pilots, who should
use the code, and the public, who should see the full name.

I can't really see the problem unless the Sports Committee
Guidelines have been written so that the organisers are not allowed
to use the full names in displays to the public.

Cheers

Tim

On 08/01/2014 11:31, Mike Borgelt
  wrote:


  Yep and when I looked at the task board the other day I had no
  idea where
  they were going... and I've done a lot of cross country gliding
  out of
  Waikerie.
  
  Mike
  
  
  
  
  At 09:45 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:
  Content-Type:
multipart/alternative;

boundary="=_NextPart_000_0038_01CF0C5A.810D0DA0"
Content-Language: en-au

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT
 
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  mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in
Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints
 
With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest
have no idea
where the task is for the day :-)

Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:

Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent
nats pilot
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes
inputting
tasks to a device easier.

Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders

wrote:
> 
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn
points.
> 
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points
are
being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering
if any
body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if
some
body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
> 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mike Borgelt]

Yep and when I looked at the task board the other day I had no idea 
where they were going... and I've done a lot of cross country gliding 
out of Waikerie.


Mike




At 09:45 AM 8/01/2014, you wrote:

Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary="=_NextPart_000_0038_01CF0C5A.810D0DA0"
Content-Language: en-au

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.
eg 47PATA
MT

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt

Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no 
idea where the task is for the day :-)


Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:

Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats 
pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes 
inputting tasks to a device easier.


Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders 
<resand...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
>
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Ross McLean]

>From a competitor's point of view the new turnpoint naming convention of
number/name is great as it avoids any possible confusion regarding which
turnpoint has been set for the task. Also makes it much easier to input the
task accurately into the logger/flight computer/gps whatever. Similarly, in
the air they are really much easier and faster  to use.

ROSS


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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mandy
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Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 9:45 AM
To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.'
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

 

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.

eg 47PATA

MT

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike
Borgelt
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

 

With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea
where the task is for the day :-)

Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:

Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks
to a device easier.

Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
> 
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
> 
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mandy Temple]

The names are a combined number and name, not just a number.

eg 47PATA

MT

 

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Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 8:49 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

 

With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea
where the task is for the day :-)

Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:



Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks
to a device easier.

Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
> 
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
> 
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Harry]

The disadvantage of numbers is that pilots remember names much better than 
numbers and also visualise the flight better if they are familiar with the site.

Harry

From: Mike Borgelt 
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:19 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. 
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no idea where 
the task is for the day :-)

Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:

  Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot 
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to 
a device easier.

  Regards Grant.

  Grant Hudson

  > On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
  > 
  > Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
  > 
  > I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
  > described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
  > can tell me why??
  > Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
  > has made some kind of policy decision.
  > 
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Mike Borgelt]

With the added advantage that casual visitors to the contest have no 
idea where the task is for the day :-)


Mike


At 07:06 PM 7/01/2014, you wrote:
Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats 
pilot meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes 
inputting tasks to a device easier.


Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
>
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
>
> Ron
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Re: [Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT

[JarekM]

Bacchus Mars (Geelong Gliding Club) after taking it from Raywood:
http://www.bendigogliding.org.au/Main/ClubNews
 
Regards 
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Subject:[Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT

Can anybody please tell me where the NSWGA's Come And Get It Trophy is
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[Aus-soaring] Lisa Trotter's Records

[Pam]

GFA congratulates Lisa Trotter on achieving 23 Australian General and
Feminine Records from her flight on 20/12/2013. 

Claims have been submitted to FAI for 1 World Record and 7 Continental
Records.

The GFA website will be updated shortly.

>> 

Standard Class Australian National Records (4 records)

Free Three Turn Point Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,036.01 km

Free Triangle Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,027.66 km

Three turn point distance L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Triangle DistanceL Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

>> 

Australian Feminine Records

Standard Class  (5 records)

Free Three Turn Point Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,036.01 km

Free Triangle Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,027.66 km

Three turn point distance L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Triangle DistanceL Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Speed Triangular 1000KM L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   102.73 kph

>> 

Australian Feminine Records

15m Class  (5 records)

Free Three Turn Point Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,036.01 km

Free Triangle Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,027.66 km

Three turn point distance L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Triangle DistanceL Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Speed Triangular 1000KM L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   102.73 kph

>> 

Australian Feminine Records

18m Class (5 records)

Free Three Turn Point Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,036.01 km

Free Triangle Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,027.66 km

Three turn point distance L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Triangle DistanceL Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Speed Triangular 1000KM L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   102.73 kph

>> 

Australian Feminine Records

Open Class  (4 records)

Free Triangle Distance   L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,027.66 km

Three turn point distance L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Triangle DistanceL Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   1,026.78 km

Speed Triangular 1000KM L Trotter
20-12-2013LS8/15m   102.73 kph

 

 

 

  

 

 

 

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Ron Sanders]

ok good.  Thanks. no skin off my nose one way or the other.
R

On 7 January 2014 17:06, Grant Hudson  wrote:
> Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot 
> meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks 
> to a device easier.
>
> Regards Grant.
>
> Grant Hudson
>
>> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
>>
>> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
>>
>> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
>> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
>> can tell me why??
>> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
>> has made some kind of policy decision.
>>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Grant Hudson]

Hi Ron, apparently it was requested by the pilots at a recent nats pilot 
meeting (maybe Benalla) and is now in the guidelines. Makes inputting tasks to 
a device easier.

Regards Grant.

Grant Hudson

> On 7 Jan 2014, at 19:21, Ron Sanders  wrote:
> 
> Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.
> 
> I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
> described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
> can tell me why??
> Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
> has made some kind of policy decision.
> 
> Ron
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[Aus-soaring] Turnpoints

[Ron Sanders]

Everybody just a question about the arrangement of turn points.

I noticed at Kingaroy and now at Waikerie that turn points are being
described primarily by numbers these days. I was wondering if any body
can tell me why??
Don't care one way or the other just interested to know if some body
has made some kind of policy decision.

Ron
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[Aus-soaring] NSWGA CAGIT

[Paul Mander]

Can anybody please tell me where the NSWGA's Come And Get It Trophy is right 
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