Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Bernie, Your correct; Im very close to retirement age (some would suggest past it), own my own glider yet still have problems getting to camps and comps; in fact I have never competed because of the leave planning issues and I will have serious scheduling issues getting enough time off to attend our club camp this year; that will change post retirement. Point being most of us have been in your position one way or another and there is no simple answer with so many competing agendas. I also dont believe anyone could de-conflict every event, but having a centralised calendar would enable people to make decisions and plan, and as one person has already pointed out its great to see so many events available to members and so many events fully subscribed. Regardless of if an event is on the GFA Calender or not, and a good event organisers will employ multiple avenues to promote their event, we cant attend them all, there are insufficient hours in the year; the important thing is that you attend the ones you want to ;) SDF From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie & Sue Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 6:32 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi all. Thanks Ross, I'm happy to be corrected on the points that you make, but there is still nothing on next years calender & this is the point I'm trying to make. I would imagine that the clubs & state bodies would have a good idea of what events they are running next season. I would expect that the approximate dates of these events are known by someone, just not everyone. While most people do not need 12 months to get organised to compete etc, it is good to have the info in hand well in advance. Even if next years events were posted by say, mid year, in a similar format to the one you have below, it would be of great help to everyone. Thanks Stuart, the people of my age & younger are tomorrows competitors etc, yet we do not seem to be given much of a chance. Who takes a week or more off work more than once per year, drives several hundred Km's without the wife & kids at only a months notice, and stays married / employed ? I do not mean to be critical, I just think that there is room for improvement. Cheers. Bernie. - Original Message - From: Ross McLean <mailto:ross...@bigpond.net.au> To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Actually, my apologies, I have just been corrected regarding Women In Gliding Week and Squad Week (thank you Mandy). Women in Gliding is before Benalla this year 31st Dec to 6th Jan and Squad Week is 19th to 25th March. So my point is that apart from the three events that are always scheduled at the same time of year, Horsham Week, Narromine Cup and Qld Easter Comps, only four Australian events have been scheduled for 2013. Cheers, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 3:33 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi Bernie Good point but, your statement that most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known, is actually not correct. Events for 2012 that I know are scheduled at this point are: 1. FAI Worlds/Pre-Worlds 32nd Un-Flapped Pre-World Gliding Championships Argentina 8-20 January 2012 32nd Flapped World Gliding Championships USA 4-19 August 2012 2. MultiClass Nationals 50th Multi Class Nationals Narromine 30 Jan 10 Feb 2012 3. ClubClass Nationals 31st Club, Sports & 20m 2-Seat Class Nationals Benalla 2-13 January 2012 4. Horsham Week Horsham Week Horsham Airfield 4-11 February 2012 Vic Coaching Week (runs during Horsham Week) 5. Qld Easter Comps (obviously held over Easter but I dont think a venue has been nominated yet) 6. Narromine Cup Narromine Cup Week 19-23 November 2012 7. Women In Gliding Week Women In Gliding Week at Benalla immediately before the Club Class in January 2012 The remaining 2012 events are, to my knowledge, currently unscheduled: 1. FAI World Grand Prix 2. Junior Nationals (Joeyglide) 3. Australian Qualifying Grand Prix 4. Squad Week 19th to 25th March 5. Speed Week 6. Lake Keepit Regatta 7. SA Coaching Week 8. Qld State Comps 9. NSW State Comps 10. Vic State Comps 11. SA State Comps 12. WA State Comps Regards, RO
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Untitled DocumentHi all. Thanks Ross, I'm happy to be corrected on the points that you make, but there is still nothing on next years calender & this is the point I'm trying to make. I would imagine that the clubs & state bodies would have a good idea of what events they are running next season. I would expect that the approximate dates of these events are known by someone, just not everyone. While most people do not need 12 months to get organised to compete etc, it is good to have the info in hand well in advance. Even if next years events were posted by say, mid year, in a similar format to the one you have below, it would be of great help to everyone. Thanks Stuart, the people of my age & younger are tomorrows competitors etc, yet we do not seem to be given much of a chance. Who takes a week or more off work more than once per year, drives several hundred Km's without the wife & kids at only a months notice, and stays married / employed ? I do not mean to be critical, I just think that there is room for improvement. Cheers. Bernie. - Original Message - From: Ross McLean To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2011 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Actually, my apologies, I have just been corrected regarding Women In Gliding Week and Squad Week (thank you Mandy). Women in Gliding is before Benalla this year 31st Dec to 6th Jan and Squad Week is 19th to 25th March. So my point is that apart from the three events that are always scheduled at the same time of year, Horsham Week, Narromine Cup and Qld Easter Comps, only four Australian events have been scheduled for 2013. Cheers, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 3:33 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi Bernie Good point but, your statement that "most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known", is actually not correct. Events for 2012 that I know are scheduled at this point are: 1. FAI Worlds/Pre-Worlds 32nd Un-Flapped Pre-World Gliding Championships Argentina 8-20 January 2012 32nd Flapped World Gliding Championships USA 4-19 August 2012 2. MultiClass Nationals 50th Multi Class Nationals Narromine 30 Jan - 10 Feb 2012 3. ClubClass Nationals 31st Club, Sports & 20m 2-Seat Class Nationals Benalla 2-13 January 2012 4. Horsham Week Horsham Week Horsham Airfield 4-11 February 2012 Vic Coaching Week (runs during Horsham Week) 5. Qld Easter Comps (obviously held over Easter but I don't think a venue has been nominated yet) 6. Narromine Cup Narromine Cup Week 19-23 November 2012 7. Women In Gliding Week Women In Gliding Week at Benalla immediately before the Club Class in January 2012 The remaining 2012 events are, to my knowledge, currently unscheduled: 1. FAI World Grand Prix 2. Junior Nationals (Joeyglide) 3. Australian Qualifying Grand Prix 4. Squad Week 19th to 25th March 5. Speed Week 6. Lake Keepit Regatta 7. SA Coaching Week 8. Qld State Comps 9. NSW State Comps 10. Vic State Comps 11. SA State Comps 12. WA State Comps Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie & Sue Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:14 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi All. I think a lot of people are missing the point about the calender. As far as I know, most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known, yet they do not appear on the GFA website calender, WHY ? It only needs to be a tag which links to the club website containing the details. It takes a long time to organise holidays for yourself, re-organise work shedules or holidays for your wife & get the grandparents etc organised so that they can help out with getting kids on/off buses or to after school events & activities. At the moment it would seem as though the events calender is organised by a person who is single with no dependants, no work, someone who can jump up & go off to a comp at any time. While I'm at it, can we have a calender that is layed out for the whole season so that all comps & camps are shown. (Not one month only). With this type of calender anyone can see at a glance what events are on at any time through
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Actually, my apologies, I have just been corrected regarding Women In Gliding Week and Squad Week (thank you Mandy). Women in Gliding is before Benalla this year 31st Dec to 6th Jan and Squad Week is 19th to 25th March. So my point is that apart from the three events that are always scheduled at the same time of year, Horsham Week, Narromine Cup and Qld Easter Comps, only four Australian events have been scheduled for 2013. Cheers, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ross McLean Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 3:33 PM To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi Bernie Good point but, your statement that most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known, is actually not correct. Events for 2012 that I know are scheduled at this point are: 1. FAI Worlds/Pre-Worlds 32nd Un-Flapped Pre-World Gliding Championships Argentina 8-20 January 2012 32nd Flapped World Gliding Championships USA 4-19 August 2012 2. MultiClass Nationals 50th Multi Class Nationals Narromine 30 Jan 10 Feb 2012 3. ClubClass Nationals 31st Club, Sports & 20m 2-Seat Class Nationals Benalla 2-13 January 2012 4. Horsham Week Horsham Week Horsham Airfield 4-11 February 2012 Vic Coaching Week (runs during Horsham Week) 5. Qld Easter Comps (obviously held over Easter but I dont think a venue has been nominated yet) 6. Narromine Cup Narromine Cup Week 19-23 November 2012 7. Women In Gliding Week Women In Gliding Week at Benalla immediately before the Club Class in January 2012 The remaining 2012 events are, to my knowledge, currently unscheduled: 1. FAI World Grand Prix 2. Junior Nationals (Joeyglide) 3. Australian Qualifying Grand Prix 4. Squad Week 19th to 25th March 5. Speed Week 6. Lake Keepit Regatta 7. SA Coaching Week 8. Qld State Comps 9. NSW State Comps 10. Vic State Comps 11. SA State Comps 12. WA State Comps Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie & Sue Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:14 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi All. I think a lot of people are missing the point about the calender. As far as I know, most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known, yet they do not appear on the GFA website calender, WHY ? It only needs to be a tag which links to the club website containing the details. It takes a long time to organise holidays for yourself, re-organise work shedules or holidays for your wife & get the grandparents etc organised so that they can help out with getting kids on/off buses or to after school events & activities. At the moment it would seem as though the events calender is organised by a person who is single with no dependants, no work, someone who can jump up & go off to a comp at any time. While I'm at it, can we have a calender that is layed out for the whole season so that all comps & camps are shown. (Not one month only). With this type of calender anyone can see at a glance what events are on at any time throughout the season, I have provided an example as this is how the aero model guys do their calenders. They also have mutiple comps/training/events on at anyone time, yet they can show this for a whole season, well in advance of that season, on one calender, why cann't we ? If events clash, so be it, choose the one's you want to attend, I'm sure that clashes are avoided as best is possible. If today we could see that a clash occurs in the 2011/2012 season, there would be time to re-organise, it may be to late come next December to do anything. Being organised doesn't just happen, it's needs to be planned for. Cheers. Bernie. - Original Message - From: Tim Shirley <mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Mike, The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just dropped a "C" somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they deal with a lot more than just "Co-ordination". Ross McLean is the current chair. The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and sometimes does) schedule a competiti
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Hi Bernie Good point but, your statement that most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known, is actually not correct. Events for 2012 that I know are scheduled at this point are: 1. FAI Worlds/Pre-Worlds 32nd Un-Flapped Pre-World Gliding Championships Argentina 8-20 January 2012 32nd Flapped World Gliding Championships USA 4-19 August 2012 2. MultiClass Nationals 50th Multi Class Nationals Narromine 30 Jan 10 Feb 2012 3. ClubClass Nationals 31st Club, Sports & 20m 2-Seat Class Nationals Benalla 2-13 January 2012 4. Horsham Week Horsham Week Horsham Airfield 4-11 February 2012 Vic Coaching Week (runs during Horsham Week) 5. Qld Easter Comps (obviously held over Easter but I dont think a venue has been nominated yet) 6. Narromine Cup Narromine Cup Week 19-23 November 2012 7. Women In Gliding Week Women In Gliding Week at Benalla immediately following the Club Class in January 2012 The remaining 2012 events are, to my knowledge, currently unscheduled: 1. FAI World Grand Prix 2. Junior Nationals (Joeyglide) 3. Australian Qualifying Grand Prix 4. Squad Week 5. Speed Week 6. Lake Keepit Regatta 7. SA Coaching Week 8. Qld State Comps 9. NSW State Comps 10. Vic State Comps 11. SA State Comps 12. WA State Comps Regards, ROSS From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Bernie & Sue Sent: Sunday, 13 November 2011 11:14 AM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Hi All. I think a lot of people are missing the point about the calender. As far as I know, most if not all comps & training camps for next season are already known, yet they do not appear on the GFA website calender, WHY ? It only needs to be a tag which links to the club website containing the details. It takes a long time to organise holidays for yourself, re-organise work shedules or holidays for your wife & get the grandparents etc organised so that they can help out with getting kids on/off buses or to after school events & activities. At the moment it would seem as though the events calender is organised by a person who is single with no dependants, no work, someone who can jump up & go off to a comp at any time. While I'm at it, can we have a calender that is layed out for the whole season so that all comps & camps are shown. (Not one month only). With this type of calender anyone can see at a glance what events are on at any time throughout the season, I have provided an example as this is how the aero model guys do their calenders. They also have mutiple comps/training/events on at anyone time, yet they can show this for a whole season, well in advance of that season, on one calender, why cann't we ? If events clash, so be it, choose the one's you want to attend, I'm sure that clashes are avoided as best is possible. If today we could see that a clash occurs in the 2011/2012 season, there would be time to re-organise, it may be to late come next December to do anything. Being organised doesn't just happen, it's needs to be planned for. Cheers. Bernie. - Original Message - From: Tim Shirley <mailto:tshir...@internode.on.net> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. <mailto:aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:01 AM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Mike, The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just dropped a "C" somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they deal with a lot more than just "Co-ordination". Ross McLean is the current chair. The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict with a Nationals and so can a club. South Australia is holding an event in conflict with the Club Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham clashing with the multiclass. And it was always thus, though of course scheduling was a bit easier when we had only one Nationals and not three. It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only dark to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries. In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there are so few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least in the case of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing to host them. What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for gliding events of all ty
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Bernie, you are obviously much younger than most of us to be talking in terms of organizing grand parents; most of us are either Grand Parents, or of Grand Parenting age. Personally I can't wait to retire and become a "Gliding Bum" get to more camps and comps, do a lot more glider flying and meeting more of you. Stuart FERGUSON Phone - 0419 797508 On 13/11/2011, at 11:13, "Bernie & Sue" wrote: > Hi All. > > I think a lot of people are missing the point about the calender. > > As far as I know, most if not all comps & training camps for next season are > already known, yet they do not appear on the GFA website calender, WHY ? > It only needs to be a tag which links to the club website containing the > details. > > It takes a long time to organise holidays for yourself, re-organise work > shedules or holidays for your wife & get the grandparents etc organised so > that they can help out with getting kids on/off buses or to after school > events & activities. > At the moment it would seem as though the events calender is organised by a > person who is single with no dependants, no work, someone who can jump up & > go off to a comp at any time. > > While I'm at it, can we have a calender that is layed out for the whole > season so that all comps & camps are shown. (Not one month only). > With this type of calender anyone can see at a glance what events are on at > any time throughout the season, I have provided an example as this is how the > aero model guys do their calenders. They also have mutiple > comps/training/events on at anyone time, yet they can show this for a whole > season, well in advance of that season, on one calender, why cann't we ? > > If events clash, so be it, choose the one's you want to attend, I'm sure that > clashes are avoided as best is possible. > > If today we could see that a clash occurs in the 2011/2012 season, there > would be time to re-organise, it may be to late come next December to do > anything. > > Being organised doesn't just happen, it's needs to be planned for. > > Cheers. > Bernie. > > ----- Original Message - > From: Tim Shirley > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2011 11:01 AM > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events > > Mike, > > The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just > dropped a "C" somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they > deal with a lot more than just "Co-ordination". Ross McLean is the current > chair. > > The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of > National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations > or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and > sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict with a Nationals and so > can a club. South Australia is holding an event in conflict with the Club > Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham clashing with the multiclass. > And it was always thus, though of course scheduling was a bit easier when we > had only one Nationals and not three. > > It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only dark > to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries. > > In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there are so > few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least in the case > of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing to host them. > > What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for gliding > events of all types at present. It's probably better to have this problem > than the other one. > > Cheers > > Tim > > tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare > > > On 12/11/2011 10:09, Mike Borgelt wrote: >> >> At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: >>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>> boundary="=_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0" >>> Content-Language: en-au >>> >>> Mike – we already have there here in Canberra ;) >>> >> >> >> Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions >> Co-ordinating Committee. >> >> These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. >> >> So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time >> slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the >> conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Bring on one week Nationals! I think it's the next big step in making sure our sport doesn't die a slow death. With the exception of last season, do we really need 10+ days to declare a champion? 3-4 (within the week) days at a minimum would be enough. Jay Rebbeck (previous world champion) questions the length of world comps, did we really need 8? Days in Slovakia to declare that Sebastion Kawa was the worlds best? Probably not he said, 4 days within a Sat-Sun comp would've been enough! If there were one week nationals, it'd be possible to have more entrants at the States, Regattas & Coaching weeks. For me, my calendar would be this if possible - CCN, MCN, QLD & NSW States, 2 x 1 wk coaching courses (of which, one I could run for the juniors). I know it's not an overnight fix, but would be great to see this happen in 2-3yrs time! WPP - Sent from mBox Mail on my iPad http://www.fluentfactory.com/mboxmail On 2011-11-12 08:42:26 + Tim Shirley wrote: > > Mike, > > The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they > just dropped a "C" somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact > that they deal with a lot more than just "Co-ordination". Ross McLean > is the current chair. > > The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of > National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State > Associations or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State > Association can (and sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict > with a Nationals and so can a club. South Australia is holding an event > in conflict with the Club Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham > clashing with the multiclass. And it was always thus, though of course > scheduling was a bit easier when we had only one Nationals and not three. > > It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only > dark to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries. > > In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there > are so few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least > in the case of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing > to host them. > > What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for > gliding events of all types at present. It's probably better to have > this problem than the other one. > > Cheers > > > /Tim/ > > /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ > > > On 12/11/2011 10:09, Mike Borgelt wrote: >> At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: >>> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; >>> boundary="=_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0" >>> Content-Language: en-au >>> >>> Mike -- we already have there here in Canberra ;) >>> >> >> >> Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National >> Competitions Co-ordinating Committee. >> >> These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. >> >> So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for >> time slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of >> the conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any >> Nationals as few WA pilots go to Nationals. >> >> You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow >> time for annual leave applications etc. >> >> A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've >> forgotten you ever knew. >> >> Mike >> >> >> Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments >> since 1978 >> phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 >> fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 >> cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 >> >> email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com >> website: www.borgeltinstruments.com >> >> ___ >> Aus-soaring mailing list >> Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net >> To check or change subscription details, visit: >> http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > > ___ > Aus-soaring mailing list > Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > To check or change subscription details, visit: > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring > ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Mike, The NCC (National Competition Committee) actually still exists - they just dropped a "C" somewhere along the line in recognition of the fact that they deal with a lot more than just "Co-ordination". Ross McLean is the current chair. The NCC and its predecessor is responsible for scheduling and rules of National competition. It has never had jurisdiction over State Associations or clubs. Regardless of what NCC decided, a State Association can (and sometimes does) schedule a competition in conflict with a Nationals and so can a club. South Australia is holding an event in conflict with the Club Class Nationals in January, as well as Horsham clashing with the multiclass. And it was always thus, though of course scheduling was a bit easier when we had only one Nationals and not three. It's a Federation, just like Australia :) And the dark ages were only dark to those who lacked a torch and some L-ion batteries. In this setup, the wonder is not that there are clashes but that there are so few. There are too many events and too few weeks, and at least in the case of Nationals very few places and people capable and willing to host them. What is pleasing is that there seems to be a lot of customers for gliding events of all types at present. It's probably better to have this problem than the other one. Cheers /Tim/ /tra dire e fare c'è mezzo il mare/ On 12/11/2011 10:09, Mike Borgelt wrote: At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0" Content-Language: en-au Mike -- we already have there here in Canberra ;) Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions Co-ordinating Committee. These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few WA pilots go to Nationals. You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow time for annual leave applications etc. A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've forgotten you ever knew. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
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At 08:10 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=_NextPart_000_0053_01CCA0B6.4D4C9BA0" Content-Language: en-au Mike we already have there here in Canberra ;) Once upon a time there was a thing called the NCCC National Competitions Co-ordinating Committee. These contests require sanction by the GFA IIRC. So in about April everyone running a contest puts in their bids for time slots and the NCCC then tries to minimise the conflicts. Some of the conflicts aren't that important eg WA State contest and any Nationals as few WA pilots go to Nationals. You could move this process 12 months earlier if necessary to aloow time for annual leave applications etc. A Dark Age is when you not only don't know how to do things but you've forgotten you ever knew. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Yes, but will it be managed? Surely this should have been addressed by the national body years ago, as in the CAMS example you gave and many other sports. - Original Message - From: Stuart & Kerri FERGUSON To: 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' Sent: Friday, November 11, 2011 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events Mike - we already have there here in Canberra ;) I would prefer to see it managed by those who have a vested interest in maximising the outcome for the majority - sure it will not satisfy everyone you never can but hopefully it would be better than it is now. == Chris - I will do it; all bribes gratefully accepted J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 8:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events At 07:31 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote:  "an annual calendar of events published on the GFA web site" --- and coordinated by? --- Wolkenkuckucksheim ! - Original Message - Yeah, it is called anarcho-tyranny Regulate the minutae of people's behaviour while missing the big picture. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com -- ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
Mike we already have there here in Canberra ;) I would prefer to see it managed by those who have a vested interest in maximising the outcome for the majority sure it will not satisfy everyone you never can but hopefully it would be better than it is now. == Chris I will do it; all bribes gratefully accepted J From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Mike Borgelt Sent: Friday, 11 November 2011 8:53 PM To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events At 07:31 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote:  "an annual calendar of events published on the GFA web site" --- and coordinated by? --- Wolkenkuckucksheim ! - Original Message - Yeah, it is called anarcho-tyranny Regulate the minutae of people's behaviour while missing the big picture. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com <http://www.borgeltinstruments.com/> ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
Re: [Aus-soaring] Calender of Gliding Events
At 07:31 PM 11/11/2011, you wrote:  "an annual calendar of events published on the GFA web site" --- and coordinated by? --- Wolkenkuckucksheim ! - Original Message - Yeah, it is called anarcho-tyranny Regulate the minutae of people's behaviour while missing the big picture. Mike Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since 1978 phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com website: www.borgeltinstruments.com ___ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
