Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[b_brand]

Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of their 
pricing.

http://specialtyfoams.com.au



Regs
Ben


On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

> On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave a
> demo
> of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there obviously did not
> know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern state
> was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching one
> wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the
> air.
>  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for 2 or
> so
> months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same. Glider
> was
> all but undamaged.
> 
> Here is the link to confor foam
> 
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944
> 
> It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for
> protection) and post per pad will be say $20 but that is minor to
> injuries
> it may prevent.
> 
> Personally I will not sign a form 2 unless the glider is equipped with
> confor foam or they get a long talk that they have to order it NOW.
> 
> We wear seat belts in gliders and cars always so why not have confor in
> all
> gliders we fly and costs a lot less than a parachute and is equally
> important I believe. $50 is the cheapest one off insurance policy you
> will
> ever buy in gliding.
> 
> If you want more proof go to the BGA web site for article on its use and
> the front cover will be a photo of a Swift glider crashing and pilot
> walks
> away.  The video or is it a series of still photos of the crash.
> 
> Thanks to Jenny Ganderton most of the gliders at Keepit have confor in
> almost all gliders.
> 
> Personally I think GFA should mandate the use of confor instead of highly
> recommending it but at least that is a start..
> 
> Ian McPhee
> 



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Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Gary Stevenson]

These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to the
size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive,
but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal? 

Confor  is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make similar
products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses the
foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For
Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers to
MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian??

To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in
Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian manufacturer?

I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier.

GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do not
know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley, do
you know?

As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be
layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used
for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making
it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion.

Regards,
Gary

  

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b_br...@tpg.com.au
Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of
their pricing.

http://specialtyfoams.com.au



Regs
Ben


On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

> On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave a
> demo
> of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there obviously did not
> know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern state
> was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching one
> wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the
> air.
>  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for 2 or
> so
> months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same. Glider
> was
> all but undamaged.
> 
> Here is the link to confor foam
> 
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944
> 
> It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for
> protection) and post per pad will be say $20 but that is minor to
> injuries
> it may prevent.
> 
> Personally I will not sign a form 2 unless the glider is equipped with
> confor foam or they get a long talk that they have to order it NOW.
> 
> We wear seat belts in gliders and cars always so why not have confor in
> all
> gliders we fly and costs a lot less than a parachute and is equally
> important I believe. $50 is the cheapest one off insurance policy you
> will
> ever buy in gliding.
> 
> If you want more proof go to the BGA web site for article on its use and
> the front cover will be a photo of a Swift glider crashing and pilot
> walks
> away.  The video or is it a series of still photos of the crash.
> 
> Thanks to Jenny Ganderton most of the gliders at Keepit have confor in
> almost all gliders.
> 
> Personally I think GFA should mandate the use of confor instead of highly
> recommending it but at least that is a start..
> 
> Ian McPhee
> 



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Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Tim Shirley]

Hi all,

Under Airworthiness-Docs/Forms

AIR0003 Crashworthiness.pdf



Cheers

/Tim Shirley/

/tra dire é fare c' é mezzo il mare/

On 07/04/2014 11:28, Gary Stevenson wrote:

These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to the
size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive,
but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal?

Confor  is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make similar
products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses the
foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For
Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers to
MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian??

To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in
Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian manufacturer?

I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier.

GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do not
know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley, do
you know?

As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be
layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used
for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making
it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion.

Regards,
Gary

   


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From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
b_br...@tpg.com.au
Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of
their pricing.

http://specialtyfoams.com.au



Regs
Ben


On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:


On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave a
demo
of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there obviously did not
know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern state
was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching one
wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the
air.
  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for 2 or
so
months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same. Glider
was
all but undamaged.

Here is the link to confor foam

http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944

It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for
protection) and post per pad will be say $20 but that is minor to
injuries
it may prevent.

Personally I will not sign a form 2 unless the glider is equipped with
confor foam or they get a long talk that they have to order it NOW.

We wear seat belts in gliders and cars always so why not have confor in
all
gliders we fly and costs a lot less than a parachute and is equally
important I believe. $50 is the cheapest one off insurance policy you
will
ever buy in gliding.

If you want more proof go to the BGA web site for article on its use and
the front cover will be a photo of a Swift glider crashing and pilot
walks
away.  The video or is it a series of still photos of the crash.

Thanks to Jenny Ganderton most of the gliders at Keepit have confor in
almost all gliders.

Personally I think GFA should mandate the use of confor instead of highly
recommending it but at least that is a start..

Ian McPhee




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Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Ian Mc Phee]

Well explained Gary.  Yes green is the most dense and have bought same from
WA at John Vineys suggestion. In cold green can be a bit of a solid board.
Mr demo is usually 1inch of blue (green works as well) on a brick wall and
drive my fist with full strength and it never ever hurts.

In confor it goes green, blue, pink, yellow & or white. Only the first two
pass my test if 1 inch thick.

Yellow is too soft but may work if 2 inch thick.?? Aldi had such pads last
week but it is only for comfort & not for crash back protection I believe.
I am yet to see a local foam product (except green from WA) meet my fist
test thus order the correct product & you have back insurance for LIFE for
$50.

Ian mcp

(a baby with a helmet band arrangement of confor can fall head first one to
cement floor without damage)



On 07/04/2014 11:29 AM, "Gary Stevenson"  wrote:
>
> These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to
the
> size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive,
> but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal?
>
> Confor  is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make
similar
> products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses
the
> foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For
> Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers
to
> MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian??
>
> To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in
> Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian
manufacturer?
>
> I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier.
>
> GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do
not
> know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley,
do
> you know?
>
> As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be
> layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used
> for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making
> it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion.
>
> Regards,
> Gary
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
> b_br...@tpg.com.au
> Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam
>
> Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of
> their pricing.
>
> http://specialtyfoams.com.au
>
>
>
> Regs
> Ben
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:
>
> > On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave a
> > demo
> > of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there obviously did not
> > know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern state
> > was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching
one
> > wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the
> > air.
> >  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for 2 or
> > so
> > months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same. Glider
> > was
> > all but undamaged.
> >
> > Here is the link to confor foam
> >
> >
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944
> >
> > It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for
> > protection) and post per pad will be say $20 but that is minor to
> > injuries
> > it may prevent.
> >
> > Personally I will not sign a form 2 unless the glider is equipped with
> > confor foam or they get a long talk that they have to order it NOW.
> >
> > We wear seat belts in gliders and cars always so why not have confor in
> > all
> > gliders we fly and costs a lot less than a parachute and is equally
> > important I believe. $50 is the cheapest one off insurance policy you
> > will
> > ever buy in gliding.
> >
> > If you want more proof go to the BGA web site for article on its use and
> > the front cover will be a photo of a Swift glider crashing and pilot
> > walks
> > away.  The video or is it a series of still photos of the crash.
> >
> > Thanks to Jenny Ganderton most of the gliders at Keepit have confor in
> > almost all gliders.
> >
> > Personally I think GFA should mandate the use of confor instead of
highly
> > recommending it but at least that is a start..
> >
> > Ian McPhee
> >
>
>
>
> _

Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Gary Stevenson]

 Yeah, Paul Remde of Cumulus Soaring makes exactly the same point on his web
site about the hardness of the green (CF-47) foam.

 

One other (practical) point. You can shape this stuff with a band-saw or
jig-saw. An electric carving knife is extremely handy for applications where
the other two saws won't do, or won't fit, eg like tapering the thickness.

 

If you don't have these tools - or can't be bothered - maybe Speciality
Foams in WA would shape the foam for you (at an extra cost), if you sent
them a template of the shape you require.

 

Gary

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc Phee
Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 1:08 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

 

Well explained Gary.  Yes green is the most dense and have bought same from
WA at John Vineys suggestion. In cold green can be a bit of a solid board.
Mr demo is usually 1inch of blue (green works as well) on a brick wall and
drive my fist with full strength and it never ever hurts.

In confor it goes green, blue, pink, yellow & or white. Only the first two
pass my test if 1 inch thick. 

Yellow is too soft but may work if 2 inch thick.?? Aldi had such pads last
week but it is only for comfort & not for crash back protection I believe.
I am yet to see a local foam product (except green from WA) meet my fist
test thus order the correct product & you have back insurance for LIFE for
$50.

Ian mcp

(a baby with a helmet band arrangement of confor can fall head first one to
cement floor without damage) 




On 07/04/2014 11:29 AM, "Gary Stevenson"  wrote:
>
> These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to
the
> size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive,
> but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal?
>
> Confor  is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make
similar
> products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses
the
> foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For
> Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers
to
> MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian??
>
> To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in
> Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian
manufacturer?
>
> I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier.
>
> GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do
not
> know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley,
do
> you know?
>
> As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be
> layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used
> for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making
> it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion.
>
> Regards,
> Gary
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of
> b_br...@tpg.com.au
> Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM
> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam
>
> Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of
> their pricing.
>
> http://specialtyfoams.com.au
>
>
>
> Regs
> Ben
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:
>
> > On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave a
> > demo
> > of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there obviously did not
> > know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern state
> > was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching
one
> > wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the
> > air.
> >  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for 2 or
> > so
> > months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same. Glider
> > was
> > all but undamaged.
> >
> > Here is the link to confor foam
> >
> >
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944
> >
> > It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for
> > protection) and post per pad will be say $20 but that is minor to
> > injuries
> > it may prevent.
> >
> > Personally I will not sign a form 2 unless the glider is equipped with
> > confor foam or they get a long talk that they have to order it NOW.
> >
> > We wear seat belts in gliders and cars always so why not have confor in
> > all
> >

Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[rolf a. buelter]

Just got a quote from Specialty Foams, $ 120.- for a piece 500 mm X 1,000 mm 
plus postage & handling. Forgot to ask colour or hardness though.
 
Rgds - Rolf
 
From: gstev...@bigpond.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:59:57 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam














 Yeah, Paul Remde of Cumulus Soaring makes exactly the same
point on his web site about the hardness of the green (CF-47) foam.

 

One other (practical) point. You can shape this stuff with a
band-saw or jig-saw. An electric carving knife is extremely handy for
applications where the other two saws won’t do, or won’t fit, eg
like tapering the thickness.

 

If you don’t have these tools – or can’t be
bothered - maybe Speciality Foams in WA would shape the foam for you (at an
extra cost), if you sent them a template of the shape you require.

 

Gary

 



From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc
Phee

Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 1:08 PM

To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam



 

Well explained Gary.  Yes green is the most dense and have bought same
from WA at John Vineys suggestion. In cold green can be a bit of a solid
board.  Mr demo is usually 1inch of blue (green works as well) on a brick
wall and drive my fist with full strength and it never ever hurts.


In confor it goes green, blue, pink, yellow & or white. Only the first
two pass my test if 1 inch thick. 


Yellow is too soft but may work if 2 inch thick.?? Aldi had such pads last
week but it is only for comfort & not for crash back protection I
believe.  I am yet to see a local foam product (except green from WA) meet
my fist test thus order the correct product & you have back insurance for
LIFE for $50.


Ian mcp


(a baby with a helmet band arrangement of
confor can fall head first one to cement floor without damage) 








On 07/04/2014 11:29 AM, "Gary Stevenson"  wrote:

>

> These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to
the

> size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive,

> but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal?

>

> Confor  is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make
similar

> products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses
the

> foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For

> Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers
to

> MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian??

>

> To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in

> Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian
manufacturer?

>

> I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier.

>

> GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do
not

> know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley,
do

> you know?

>

> As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be

> layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used

> for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making

> it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion.

>

> Regards,

> Gary

>

>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net

> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net]
On Behalf Of

> b_br...@tpg.com.au

> Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM

> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

>

> Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of

> their pricing.

>

> http://specialtyfoams.com.au

>

>

>

> Regs

> Ben

>

>

> On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

>

> > On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave
a

> > demo

> > of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there
obviously did not

> > know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern
state

> > was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching
one

> > wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the

> > air.

> >  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for
2 or

> > so

> > months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same.
Glider

> > was

> > all but undamaged.

> >

> > Here is the link to confor foam

> >

> > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cmpages/conForFoan.php?clickkey=5944

> >

> > It does cost $US23.50 for BLUE PAD 1 inch think (is all you need for

> > protect

Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[rolf a. buelter]

Didn't read quote thoroughly first time - $ 120.- is for 20 mm, $ 150.- same 
size but 25 mm, both plus GST plus postage & handling.
 
Rgds - Rolf
 
From: rbuel...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] confor foam
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 15:08:32 +1000




Just got a quote from Specialty Foams, $ 120.- for a piece 500 mm X 1,000 mm 
plus postage & handling. Forgot to ask colour or hardness though.
 
Rgds - Rolf
 
From: gstev...@bigpond.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:59:57 +1000
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam














 Yeah, Paul Remde of Cumulus Soaring makes exactly the same
point on his web site about the hardness of the green (CF-47) foam.

 

One other (practical) point. You can shape this stuff with a
band-saw or jig-saw. An electric carving knife is extremely handy for
applications where the other two saws won’t do, or won’t fit, eg
like tapering the thickness.

 

If you don’t have these tools – or can’t be
bothered - maybe Speciality Foams in WA would shape the foam for you (at an
extra cost), if you sent them a template of the shape you require.

 

Gary

 



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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ian Mc
Phee

Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 1:08 PM

To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam



 

Well explained Gary.  Yes green is the most dense and have bought same
from WA at John Vineys suggestion. In cold green can be a bit of a solid
board.  Mr demo is usually 1inch of blue (green works as well) on a brick
wall and drive my fist with full strength and it never ever hurts.


In confor it goes green, blue, pink, yellow & or white. Only the first
two pass my test if 1 inch thick. 


Yellow is too soft but may work if 2 inch thick.?? Aldi had such pads last
week but it is only for comfort & not for crash back protection I
believe.  I am yet to see a local foam product (except green from WA) meet
my fist test thus order the correct product & you have back insurance for
LIFE for $50.


Ian mcp


(a baby with a helmet band arrangement of
confor can fall head first one to cement floor without damage) 








On 07/04/2014 11:29 AM, "Gary Stevenson"  wrote:

>

> These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to
the

> size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT competitive,

> but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal?

>

> Confor  is a brand name, and other manufacturers (in the USA), make
similar

> products. Note the plural in products: As well as different thicknesses
the

> foam is made in different densities, which are usually colour coded. For

> Confor, green is the way to go. I think the blue product that Ian refers
to

> MAY be produced by another manufacturer. Ian??

>

> To the best of my knowledge this type of foam is not manufactured in

> Australia. Can anybody prove me wrong/advise of an Australian
manufacturer?

>

> I note that Cumulus Soaring in the States is also a retail supplier.

>

> GFA on its old web site had a useful discussion on the product, but I do
not

> know if this information was carried across to the new site. Tim Shirley,
do

> you know?

>

> As a matter of interest the impact absorbing foam (Confor etc), can be

> layered with other products too. I bought a layer of memory foam (as used

> for comfort on some wheel-chairs), but never got around to actually making

> it up and using it with the Confor in my glider cushion.

>

> Regards,

> Gary

>

>

>

> -Original Message-

> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net

> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net]
On Behalf Of

> b_br...@tpg.com.au

> Sent: Monday, 7 April 2014 9:58 AM

> To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.

> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

>

> Doesn't necessarily need to come from the States, though I am not sure of

> their pricing.

>

> http://specialtyfoams.com.au

>

>

>

> Regs

> Ben

>

>

> On Mon, Apr 7th, 2014 at 9:42 AM, Ian Mc Phee  wrote:

>

> > On Saturday at Chris Thorps GFA safety seminar at Archerfield I gave
a

> > demo

> > of  1 inch blue confor memory foam.  Some people there
obviously did not

> > know about confor foam and recently a friend of mine is a southern
state

> > was involved in a ground loop in ASK 13 caused by long grass catching
one

> > wing and other wing gaining extra lift and whole glider lifted in the

> > air.

> >  He was dumped from about 1metre leaving him with injured back for
2 or

> > so

> > months.  He knew nothing of confor foam' and did not have same.
Glider

Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Daryl Mackay]

Dr Tony Segal wrote a series of six articles for Gliding & Motorgliding
International commencing Issue 12/2000 where he was afforded the following
introduction:

 *Tony started gliding at Lasham, England, in 1956 and has worked as a
family doctor for 30 years. On retiring he took a six months� course for
the Diploma in Aviation Medicine at the Royal Air Force Institute of
Aviation Medicine. He is now carrying out experimental work on pilot safety
at the Centre for Human Sciences, DERA, Farnborough, with the help of Les
Neil. Tony, who has recently been elected a Fellow of the Royal
Aeronautical Society, is dedicated to finding ways pilots can protect
themselves from injury by taking simple precautions in the cockpit.*

  This thread has already addressed his recommendation on seat cushions.

 "A soft foam seating cushion should not be used. It will store and then
release energy quickly, thus increasing the load on the spine in an
accident. Sitting directly on the seatpan is acceptable for tall pilots who
have restricted head room under the canopy, although it will be
uncomfortable on a long flight.

It is best to use an energy absorbing cushion. There are many different
types on the market. I happen to have tested Sunmate (Dynafoam) at Qinetiq,
Farnborough, England. The test used a 1 inch Dynafoam cushion, with an
impact of 17*g* and an impact velocity of 21mph (9.4m/s). Using a medium
weight male dummy, with no seat cushion, the impact force was 8.993kN. With
the 1 inch Dynafoam seat cushion, the impact force was 7.520kN."
There has been no mention of his other recommendations though:

 1. "The back of the pilot should be fully supported by the seat back and
by the parachute pack. If necessary, any gaps between the seat back and the
parachute pack should be filled with a firm, non-compressible material. The
parachute pack should be thin, flexible, and have a soft lower border. If
the parachute pack has a hard lower border and ends part of the way up the
spine, a stress concentration will be present at this level, and a spinal
fracture may occur on accident impact.

A suitable lumbar back pad will increase the strength of the spine against
longitudinal compression loading, and increases pilot comfort during a long
flight. Maintaining the normal lumbar spinal curvature results in the
adjacent faces of the intervertebral bodies meeting squarely and so
spreading an impact load. The facet joints will also engage with each
other, so providing a second load pathway.

I recommend a lumbar pad made of a firm material such as Sunmate (Dynafoam)
foam. My pad measures 10 1/2 inches x 4 inches x 1 inches, with the long
edges next to the pilot chamfered off. However, it can be shaped to suit
the individual pilot by using an electric carving knife. It can be covered
with denim or thin canvas, and held in place around the waist by a thin
webbing belt with the ends fastened by Velcro. This pad is, of course, worn
*under* the parachute.

I do not recommend air filled bladders, although they are very convenient.
They will cause a rebound movement under accident loading. Incidentally,
they will become harder at altitude."

And to protect against whiplash:

"4.77 *Headrests*

4.771 A headrest must be provided for each occupant.

4.772 Each headrest must not be less than 250mm wide, must be faced with
energy absorbing material, and must be capable of withstanding an ultimate
load of 3kN acting normal to its face.

4.773 Each headrest must be located at eye-level, and such that it protects
the occupant whether wearing a parachute or not, and that it does not foul
the parachute during an emergency exit.

Note: It is recommended that where possible headrests are mounted
integrally with seatbacks."
Kind regards,
Daryl
0427 174 285


On 7 April 2014 13:11, rolf a. buelter  wrote:

> Didn't read quote thoroughly first time - $ 120.- is for 20 mm, $ 150.-
> same size but 25 mm, both plus GST plus postage & handling.
>
> Rgds - Rolf
>
> --
> From: rbuel...@hotmail.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] confor foam
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 15:08:32 +1000
>
>
> Just got a quote from Specialty Foams, $ 120.- for a piece 500 mm X 1,000
> mm plus postage & handling. Forgot to ask colour or hardness though.
>
> Rgds - Rolf
>
> --
> From: gstev...@bigpond.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2014 13:59:57 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam
>
>   Yeah, Paul Remde of Cumulus Soaring makes exactly the same point on his
> web site about the hardness of the green (CF-47) foam.
>
>
>
> One other (practical) point. You can shape this stuff with a band-saw or
> jig-saw. An electric carving knife is extremely handy for applications
> where the other two saws won’t do, or won’t fit, eg 

Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Anthony Smith]

Sounds like a business opportunity doesn't it?


>These people get the foam in a large billet, and will cut you a piece to
the size and thickness required. From memory, their price was NOT
competitive, but that was years ago - maybe they now do a better deal?



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Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

[Gary Stevenson]

Thanks Daryl.

 

I earlier mentioned that there were alternative brands to Confor.

 

Sunmate (as mentioned in Daryl’s post) made by Dynamic Systems Inc is such an 
alternative. Just like Confor it comes in various thicknesses and firmness, and 
is available in different sheet sizes. Check out their web site at 
www.sunmatecushions.com  Included in the information, there  is discussion on 
cold climate/hot climate use (as with Confor), and how this might influence the 
density selected.

 

In the years since I last looked at this site, it would appear that you can now 
also pour your own seat. Interesting!

 

You will see that prices are VERY competitive. Note also the “specials” 
available.

 

HINT: If you buy from these people, specify that you want  them to use the 
(government run), US Postal Service as your postal service provider, if you 
want the most economical rate. 

 

Regards,

Gary

 

From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net 
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Daryl Mackay
Sent: Tuesday, 8 April 2014 2:00 AM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] confor foam

 

Dr Tony Segal wrote a series of six articles for Gliding & Motorgliding 
International commencing Issue 12/2000 where he was afforded the following 
introduction:

Tony started gliding at Lasham, England, in 1956 and has worked as a family 
doctor for 30 years. On retiring he took a six months� course for the Diploma 
in Aviation Medicine at the Royal Air Force Institute of Aviation Medicine. He 
is now carrying out experimental work on pilot safety at the Centre for Human 
Sciences, DERA, Farnborough, with the help of Les Neil. Tony, who has recently 
been elected a Fellow of the Royal Aeronautical Society, is dedicated to 
finding ways pilots can protect themselves from injury by taking simple 
precautions in the cockpit.

 

This thread has already addressed his recommendation on seat cushions. 

 

"A soft foam seating cushion should not be used. It will store and then release 
energy quickly, thus increasing the load on the spine in an accident. Sitting 
directly on the seatpan is acceptable for tall pilots who have restricted head 
room under the canopy, although it will be uncomfortable on a long flight. 

It is best to use an energy absorbing cushion. There are many different types 
on the market. I happen to have tested Sunmate (Dynafoam) at Qinetiq, 
Farnborough, England. The test used a 1 inch Dynafoam cushion, with an impact 
of 17g and an impact velocity of 21mph (9.4m/s). Using a medium weight male 
dummy, with no seat cushion, the impact force was 8.993kN. With the 1 inch 
Dynafoam seat cushion, the impact force was 7.520kN."

There has been no mention of his other recommendations though:

 

1. "The back of the pilot should be fully supported by the seat back and by the 
parachute pack. If necessary, any gaps between the seat back and the parachute 
pack should be filled with a firm, non-compressible material. The parachute 
pack should be thin, flexible, and have a soft lower border. If the parachute 
pack has a hard lower border and ends part of the way up the spine, a stress 
concentration will be present at this level, and a spinal fracture may occur on 
accident impact.

A suitable lumbar back pad will increase the strength of the spine against 
longitudinal compression loading, and increases pilot comfort during a long 
flight. Maintaining the normal lumbar spinal curvature results in the adjacent 
faces of the intervertebral bodies meeting squarely and so spreading an impact 
load. The facet joints will also engage with each other, so providing a second 
load pathway.

I recommend a lumbar pad made of a firm material such as Sunmate (Dynafoam) 
foam. My pad measures 10 1/2 inches x 4 inches x 1 inches, with the long edges 
next to the pilot chamfered off. However, it can be shaped to suit the 
individual pilot by using an electric carving knife. It can be covered with 
denim or thin canvas, and held in place around the waist by a thin webbing belt 
with the ends fastened by Velcro. This pad is, of course, worn under the 
parachute.

I do not recommend air filled bladders, although they are very convenient. They 
will cause a rebound movement under accident loading. Incidentally, they will 
become harder at altitude."

And to protect against whiplash:

"4.77 Headrests

4.771 A headrest must be provided for each occupant.

4.772 Each headrest must not be less than 250mm wide, must be faced with energy 
absorbing material, and must be capable of withstanding an ultimate load of 3kN 
acting normal to its face.

4.773 Each headrest must be located at eye-level, and such that it protects the 
occupant whether wearing a parachute or not, and that it does not foul the 
parachute during an emergency exit.

Note: It is recommended that where possible headrests are mounted integrally 
with seatbacks.&q

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[Jeff Farrow]

http://specialtyfoams.com.au/ is the usual one quoted

Jeff F.

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Frawley" 
To: 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2014 8:58 PM
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam


| has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?
|
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reach
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| >
| >They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[Gary Stevenson]

Richard,
I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save
your spine/life one day.
The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
Note that Confor is just a brand name.
There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't
bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
pinned this supplier for you. 
Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems
Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. 
You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that
layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as
this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
route.   As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the
temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
possible source of supply for you.

Gary






-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Frawley
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?


At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:
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>2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair)
>
>
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>Message: 1
>Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
>From: Michael Eales 
>Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
>To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
> 
>Message-ID:
>

>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>Hi all,
>
>The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair
>folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service
>the 720's
>
>They use to have a "Best Effort" approach to these radio's in the past as I
>believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not
>the original development company.
>Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach
>to no longer support these radio's.
>
>They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently.
>Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has
>the kit to handle a M720?
>
>Thanks in advance.
>
>Michael.
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>To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
> 
>Message-ID: <675f27b0-ef7e-460f-9242-715174681...@optusnet.com.au>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>
>Hope it helps someone out.
>
>Justin
>
>
>
>Good Afternoon All,
>
>As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it?s 
>important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and 
>family.  To help you do this,  Revenue Management have released some 
>amazing fares on selected domestic routes (see attached).
>
>These fares are available on our public website by entering the 
>special promotion code KQZ59.  These selected routes offer a 30% 
>discount on Saver Lite and Saver Fares for the travel period25 
>August ? 17 September inclusive and will be on sale until the 31 
>August 2014.  Remember as these are commercial fares,  full terms 
>and conditions apply as per the website and ticket purchased.
>
>Staff travel cannot assist you with bookings, changes and 
>cancellations.  Bookings are only available online and subsequent 
>changes/cancellations should be made through the website or the GCC.
>
>Please share this fantastic deal with your friends and family and 
>don?t forget to check out our exclusive staff hotel discounts on our 
>People Benefit page.  Virgin Australia Holidays are also offering a 
>10% 

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[rolf a. buelter]

I just recently bought a quantity of Sunmate from Dynamic Systems for our club 
and a few syndicate gliders. It costs less than Confor and for all I know same 
or similar material. They were very good to deal with. Transport of fluffy 
stuff is not cheap and it's worthwhile to combine orders. For our purpose we 
chose to go two layered; one layer of SunMate firm, 1", list price US $ 65.- 
for a piece of  32" X 37" and one layer of SunMate medium soft, 1/2", list 
price US $ 33.- for a piece of 32" X 37".My contact at Dynamic Systems was 
Ellie Brown, d...@sunmatecushions.com. Rgds - Rolf
 
> From: gstev...@bigpond.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:39:43 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
> 
> Richard,
> I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save
> your spine/life one day.
> The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
> Note that Confor is just a brand name.
> There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
> lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't
> bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
> pinned this supplier for you. 
> Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
> Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems
> Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. 
> You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that
> layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as
> this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
> route.   As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
> factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
> Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the
> temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
> Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
> possible source of supply for you.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Frawley
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
> 
> has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?
> 
> 
> At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:
> >Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to
> > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> >
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> >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
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> >than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..."
> >
> >
> >Today's Topics:
> >
> >1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales)
> >2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair)
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
> >From: Michael Eales 
> >Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
> >To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
> > 
> >Message-ID:
> >
> 
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair
> >folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service
> >the 720's
> >
> >They use to have a "Best Effort" approach to these radio's in the past as I
> >believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not
> >the original development company.
> >Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach
> >to no longer support these radio's.
> >
> >They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently.
> >Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has
> >the kit to handle a M720?
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
> >Michael.
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[dennis hipperson]

Richard,Gary et al,
I recently priced such foam from Cumulus and also the WA source,
the foam was cheap from Cumulus BUT the shipping was horrendous
such that I bit the bullet and bought from WA.

They were very good to deal with.

Dennis

On 19/08/14 10:39 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:

Richard,
I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save
your spine/life one day.
The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
Note that Confor is just a brand name.
There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't
bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
pinned this supplier for you.
Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems
Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate.
You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that
layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as
this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
route.   As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the
temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
possible source of supply for you.

Gary






-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Frawley
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?


At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
From: Michael Eales 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
 
Message-ID:




Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi all,

The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair
folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service
the 720's

They use to have a "Best Effort" approach to these radio's in the past as I
believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not
the original development company.
Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach
to no longer support these radio's.

They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently.
Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has
the kit to handle a M720?

Thanks in advance.

Michael.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:33:45 +1000
From: Justin Sinclair 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Latest virgin promo code
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
 
Message-ID: <675f27b0-ef7e-460f-9242-715174681...@optusnet.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hope it helps someone out.

Justin



Good Afternoon All,

As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it?s
important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and
family.  To help you do this,  Revenue Management have released some
amazing fares on selected domestic routes (see attached).

These fares are available on our public website by entering the
special promotion code KQZ59.  These selected routes offer a 30%
discount on Saver Lite and Saver Fares for the travel period25
August ? 17 September inclusive and will be on sale until the 31
August 2014.  Remember as these are commercial fares,  full terms
and conditions apply as per the website and ticket purchased.

Staff travel cannot assist you with bookings, changes and
cancellations.  Bookings are only available online and subsequent
changes/cancellations should be made through the website or the GCC.

Please share this fantastic d

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[dennis hipperson]

The figures looked like this

Foam:

CF47 25mmx400x400 Green
CF45 12.5mmx400x400 Blue

Cumulus Soaring:
CF47 25x400x400 $30
CF45 12.5x400x400 $30
Freight approximately $45.95 USPS
Total US$105.95 so around A$113 at todays rates

Specialty Foams WA:
CF47 25x400x400 $48+GST
CF45 12.5x400x400 $24+GST
Freight approximately $40
Total A$119.20

Shipping has become very expensive

Dennis


On 19/08/14 10:39 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:

Richard,
I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save
your spine/life one day.
The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
Note that Confor is just a brand name.
There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't
bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
pinned this supplier for you.
Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems
Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate.
You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that
layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as
this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
route.   As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the
temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
possible source of supply for you.

Gary






-Original Message-
From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
Frawley
Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?


At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:

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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
From: Michael Eales 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
 
Message-ID:




Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi all,

The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair
folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service
the 720's

They use to have a "Best Effort" approach to these radio's in the past as I
believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not
the original development company.
Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach
to no longer support these radio's.

They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently.
Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that has
the kit to handle a M720?

Thanks in advance.

Michael.
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Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:33:45 +1000
From: Justin Sinclair 
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Latest virgin promo code
To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
 
Message-ID: <675f27b0-ef7e-460f-9242-715174681...@optusnet.com.au>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hope it helps someone out.

Justin



Good Afternoon All,

As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it?s
important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and
family.  To help you do this,  Revenue Management have released some
amazing fares on selected domestic routes (see attached).

These fares are available on our public website by entering the
special promotion code KQZ59.  These selected routes offer a 30%
discount on Saver Lite and Saver Fares for the travel period25
August ? 17 September inclusive and will be on sale until the 31
August 2014.  Remember as these are commercial fares,  full terms
and conditions apply as per the website and ticket purchased.

Staff travel cannot assist you with bookings, changes and
cancellations.  Boo

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[Peter Champness]

Has anyone tried mould your own?

On Wed, Aug 20, 2014 at 9:00 AM, dennis hipperson  wrote:

> The figures looked like this
>
> Foam:
>
> CF47 25mmx400x400 Green
> CF45 12.5mmx400x400 Blue
>
> Cumulus Soaring:
> CF47 25x400x400 $30
> CF45 12.5x400x400 $30
> Freight approximately $45.95 USPS
> Total US$105.95 so around A$113 at todays rates
>
> Specialty Foams WA:
> CF47 25x400x400 $48+GST
> CF45 12.5x400x400 $24+GST
> Freight approximately $40
> Total A$119.20
>
> Shipping has become very expensive
>
>
> Dennis
>
>
> On 19/08/14 10:39 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:
>
>> Richard,
>> I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save
>> your spine/life one day.
>> The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
>> Note that Confor is just a brand name.
>> There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
>> lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However
>> don't
>> bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
>> pinned this supplier for you.
>> Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
>> Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems
>> Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate.
>> You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that
>> layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as
>> this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
>> route.   As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
>> factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
>> Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher
>> the
>> temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
>> Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
>> possible source of supply for you.
>>
>> Gary
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
>> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
>> Frawley
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
>> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
>>
>> has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?
>>
>>
>> At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:
>>
>>> Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to
>>>  aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
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>>>
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>>> 2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair)
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
>>> From: Michael Eales 
>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
>>>  
>>> Message-ID:
>>>
>>>  
>>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair
>>> folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service
>>> the 720's
>>>
>>> They use to have a "Best Effort" approach to these radio's in the past
>>> as I
>>> believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were
>>> not
>>> the original development company.
>>> Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach
>>> to no longer support these radio's.
>>>
>>> They are an old radio, but it was working fine till recently.
>>> Does anybody out there know of any other reputable service agents that
>>> has
>>> the kit to handle a M720?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance.
>>>
>>> Michael.
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>>>
>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 20:33:45 +1000
>>> From: Justin Sinclair 
>>> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Latest virgin promo code
>>> To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
>>>  
>>> Message-ID: <675f27b0-ef7e-460f-9242-715174681...@optusnet.com.au>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>>
>>> Hope it helps someone out.
>>>
>>> Justin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Good Afternoon All,
>>>
>>> As we move past the half-way point of another busy year, it?s
>>> important to take time out to relax and rejuvenate with friends and
>>> family.  To h

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[Mike Borgelt]

At 09:00 AM 20/08/2014, you wrote:

..snip..
Shipping has become very expensive

Dennis




It sure has, both into and out of Australia.

Mike


Borgelt Instruments - design & manufacture of quality soaring 
instrumentation since 1978

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[rolf a. buelter]

Just to clarify - the sheets and prices I cited earlier yield 4 cushions 400 X 
450 mm. I purchased 7 each and freight was just over US $ 200.-. Each cushion 
came to A $ 40.- landed on my door step.
 
Rgds - Rolf
 
From: rbuel...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:48:22 +1000










I just recently bought a quantity of Sunmate from Dynamic Systems for our club 
and a few syndicate gliders. It costs less than Confor and for all I know same 
or similar material. They were very good to deal with. Transport of fluffy 
stuff is not cheap and it's worthwhile to combine orders. For our purpose we 
chose to go two layered; one layer of SunMate firm, 1", list price US $ 65.- 
for a piece of  32" X 37" and one layer of SunMate medium soft, 1/2", list 
price US $ 33.- for a piece of 32" X 37".My contact at Dynamic Systems was 
Ellie Brown, d...@sunmatecushions.com. Rgds - Rolf
 
> From: gstev...@bigpond.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:39:43 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
> 
> Richard,
> I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit might save
> your spine/life one day.
> The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
> Note that Confor is just a brand name.
> There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
> lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. However don't
> bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
> pinned this supplier for you. 
> Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
> Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic Systems
> Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate. 
> You will note that there are many densities available. You will find that
> layers of different densities can be combined. However, as fascinating as
> this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
> route.   As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
> factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
> Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The higher the
> temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
> Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
> possible source of supply for you.
> 
> Gary
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Frawley
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
> 
> has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?
> 
> 
> At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:
> >Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to
> > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> >
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> >
> >
> >Today's Topics:
> >
> >1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales)
> >2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair)
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
> >From: Michael Eales 
> >Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
> >To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
> > 
> >Message-ID:
> >
> 
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the Microair
> >folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer service
> >the 720's
> >
> >They use to have a "Best Effort" approach to these radio's in the past as I
> >believe the company inherited them with the name even though they were not
> >the original development company.
> >Apparently there has been a change of management and a decision was reach
> >to no longer support these radio's.
> >
> >They are an old radio, but it was working fine till re

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[Paul Bart]

Well it depends on from where. Seems very cheap from China, Hong Kong etc.
Not so bad from UK. Makes you wonder what is going on.

Cheers

Paul


:
>
> ..snip..
>
> Shipping has become very expensive
>
> Dennis
>
>
>
> It sure has, both into and out of Australia.
>
> Mike
>
>  *Borgelt Instruments* -
> *design & manufacture of quality soaring instrumentation since 1978 *
> www.borgeltinstruments.com
> tel:   07 4635 5784 overseas: int+61-7-4635 5784
> mob: 042835 5784 :  int+61-42835 5784
> P O Box 4607, Toowoomba East, QLD 4350, Australia
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[dennis hipperson]

Rolf,

A good price indeed, however with the foam being  32"x37" (812mmx939) 
that would
only yield 2 pieces of 412mmx469 not 4 which would therefore make each 
cushion $80,

or have I missed something (again). Still an excellent price tho.

Regards,

Dennis

On 20/08/14 11:26 AM, rolf a. buelter wrote:
Just to clarify - the sheets and prices I cited earlier yield 4 
cushions 400 X 450 mm. I purchased 7 each and freight was just over US 
$ 200.-. Each cushion came to A $ 40.- landed on my door step.


Rgds - Rolf


From: rbuel...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:48:22 +1000

I just recently bought a quantity of Sunmate from Dynamic Systems for 
our club and a few syndicate gliders. It costs less than Confor and 
for all I know same or similar material. They were very good to deal 
with. Transport of fluffy stuff is not cheap and it's worthwhile to 
combine orders. For our purpose we chose to go two layered; one layer 
of SunMate firm, 1", list price US $ 65.- for a piece of  32" X 
37" and one layer of SunMate medium soft, 1/2", list price US $ 33.- 
for a piece of 32" X 37".
My contact at Dynamic Systems was Ellie Brown, d...@sunmatecushions.com 
<mailto:d...@sunmatecushions.com>.

Rgds - Rolf

> From: gstev...@bigpond.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:39:43 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
>
> Richard,
> I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit 
might save

> your spine/life one day.
> The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
> Note that Confor is just a brand name.
> There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
> lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. 
However don't

> bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
> pinned this supplier for you.
> Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
> Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic 
Systems

> Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate.
> You will note that there are many densities available. You will find 
that
> layers of different densities can be combined. However, as 
fascinating as

> this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
> route. As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
> factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
> Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The 
higher the

> temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
> Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
> possible source of supply for you.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net
> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Frawley
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
>
> has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?
>
>
> At 06:33 AM 19/08/2014, you wrote:
> >Send Aus-soaring mailing list submissions to
> > aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> >
> >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
> >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > aus-soaring-requ...@lists.internode.on.net
> >
> >You can reach the person managing the list at
> > aus-soaring-ow...@lists.internode.on.net
> >
> >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> >than "Re: Contents of Aus-soaring digest..."
> >
> >
> >Today's Topics:
> >
> > 1. Microair M720 VHF radio service support (Michael Eales)
> > 2. Latest virgin promo code (Justin Sinclair)
> >
> >
> >--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 14:27:37 +0800
> >From: Michael Eales 
> >Subject: [Aus-soaring] Microair M720 VHF radio service support
> >To: "Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia."
> > 
> >Message-ID:
> >
> 
> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >
> >Hi all,
> >
> >The club recently tried to get a Microair M720 serviced with the 
Microair
> >folks in Bunderberg, however we were informed that they no longer 
service

> >the 720's
> >
> >They use to have a "Best Effort" 

Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam

[dennis hipperson]

Whoops, I have just figured it out and have clearly missed something again,
sorry for that and apologies.

Regards,
Dennis

On 20/08/14 11:26 AM, rolf a. buelter wrote:
Just to clarify - the sheets and prices I cited earlier yield 4 
cushions 400 X 450 mm. I purchased 7 each and freight was just over US 
$ 200.-. Each cushion came to A $ 40.- landed on my door step.


Rgds - Rolf


From: rbuel...@hotmail.com
To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
Subject: RE: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2014 07:48:22 +1000

I just recently bought a quantity of Sunmate from Dynamic Systems for 
our club and a few syndicate gliders. It costs less than Confor and 
for all I know same or similar material. They were very good to deal 
with. Transport of fluffy stuff is not cheap and it's worthwhile to 
combine orders. For our purpose we chose to go two layered; one layer 
of SunMate firm, 1", list price US $ 65.- for a piece of  32" X 
37" and one layer of SunMate medium soft, 1/2", list price US $ 33.- 
for a piece of 32" X 37".
My contact at Dynamic Systems was Ellie Brown, d...@sunmatecushions.com 
<mailto:d...@sunmatecushions.com>.

Rgds - Rolf

> From: gstev...@bigpond.com
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2014 22:39:43 +1000
> Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
>
> Richard,
> I am pleased that you are considering this: Use in your cockpit 
might save

> your spine/life one day.
> The subject of an Oz supplier comes up time and time again.
> Note that Confor is just a brand name.
> There is one supplier in WA who imports the stuff from the USA in large
> lumps, called billets - they cut what you want off this lump. 
However don't

> bother: their price is totally unrealistic. I note that Jeff Farrow has
> pinned this supplier for you.
> Your cheapest option is to import what you need direct from the USA.
> Here are a couple of names from the USA for you to Google: Dynamic 
Systems

> Inc - they originated the stuff, and Sunmate.
> You will note that there are many densities available. You will find 
that
> layers of different densities can be combined. However, as 
fascinating as

> this subject might be, it is unlikely that you will need to go down this
> route. As always, do your research. Ambient temperature is a relevant
> factor. What is ideal in Finland (say), will not be ideal in most of
> Australia, as the temperature here is generally MUCH hotter. The 
higher the

> temp, the firmer the foam needs to be.
> Given the recent distressing post from Cumulus Soaring, this might be a
> possible source of supply for you.
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Richard
> Frawley
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 August 2014 8:59 PM
> To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net
> Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor Foam
>
> has anyone found a source for this foam in Oz?
>
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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam

[Gary Stevenson]

Hi Ron,
Good general information here. Thanks.
Re BGA pricing: Many combinations are obviously available, but I do not see
anything to reflect this in the BGA shop pricing? Am I missing something
here?
 
**

As MB and others have pointed out on this website, parcel freight charges
around the world (including Australia), have generally recently risen to all
the market can bear ... plus a bit more. No doubt this trend will continue.
 
Somewhat resisting this trend, British Royal Mail charges were not totally
obscene the last time I checked (but that was some time ago). Never the less
importing from the UK eg BGA, may still be a good option.

Does anybody want to make comment on this?

Regards,
Gary 







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[mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Ron Sanders
Sent: Monday, 25 August 2014 7:29 PM
To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam

www.bgashop.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=197

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam

[dennis hipperson]

Hi Gary,

I too looked at the BGA before I bought and as I recall the shipping
was the fly in the ointment,so to speak, again very pricey.

Dennis
On 25/08/14 8:55 PM, Gary Stevenson wrote:

Hi Ron,
Good general information here. Thanks.
Re BGA pricing: Many combinations are obviously available, but I do not see
anything to reflect this in the BGA shop pricing? Am I missing something
here?
  
**


As MB and others have pointed out on this website, parcel freight charges
around the world (including Australia), have generally recently risen to all
the market can bear ... plus a bit more. No doubt this trend will continue.
  
Somewhat resisting this trend, British Royal Mail charges were not totally

obscene the last time I checked (but that was some time ago). Never the less
importing from the UK eg BGA, may still be a good option.

Does anybody want to make comment on this?

Regards,
Gary







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To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.
Subject: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam

www.bgashop.co.uk/index.php?_a=viewProd&productId=197

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam

[Plchampness]

I am still to be convinced of the value,of .Confor foam as a crash protective 
material.  It is a bit more dense than cushion foam, but not that much.  The 
spring back of cushion foam seems irrelevant to me.  The issue Is deceleration 
during impact. 

Most gilders have about 50mm gap between the seat and the lower shell.  I think 
more value could be obtained by inserting blocks of styrofoam or some other 
crushable material in there.

Yours
Peter Champness

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Re: [Aus-soaring] Confor foam

[Matt Gage]

Read the research done by Dr Tony Segal in the UK amongst others. He test 
crashed real glider cockpits with dummy pilots fitted with accelerometers. The 
effects were impressive.

The value isn't in the thickness or density, but in it's behaviour AFTER impact.

Comfor (and similar) deform relatively quickly absorbing the energy of the 
impact. BUT they take a very long time to release that energy back be returning 
to their normal shape.

Traditional thick cushions absorb the energy quickly, but whilst the 
acceleration from the impact is still happening, they release that energy back 
again, INCREASING the force of the impact to your spine - you would normally be 
better without a cushion at all instead of a traditional one !




On 25 Aug 2014, at 22:08 , Plchampness  wrote:

> I am still to be convinced of the value,of .Confor foam as a crash protective 
> material.  It is a bit more dense than cushion foam, but not that much.  The 
> spring back of cushion foam seems irrelevant to me.  The issue Is 
> deceleration during impact. 
> 
> Most gilders have about 50mm gap between the seat and the lower shell.  I 
> think more value could be obtained by inserting blocks of styrofoam or some 
> other crushable material in there.
> 
> Yours
> Peter Champness
> 
> On Aug 25, 2014, at 7:29 PM, Ron Sanders  wrote:
> 
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