[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Death Records
Very informative, I didn't know this info, thank you. Ginger On Mar 20, 10:01 pm, emac...@aol.com wrote: > Death Records. > > I found death records the most difficult to read - easier as time went on. > There is wonderful information in these records. It is the best source > of information as to the social standing and wealth of a person in a > village. These records often state that a person left a will. > > Until about the early 1800s people were buried in the church...not in > coffins; lime helped for faster decomposition. In many of the earlier > records > the exact location of burial was given : in front of the pulpit, on the > gospel side near the gate of the chapel of St. Joseph, etc. One of my > ancestors was buried in the grave of his grandmother, Catarina Jacome. This > was > interesting. Her death record states that she was poor, and buried in the > grave of her ancestors..and yet she had a rather large funeral. Lots of > masses, etc. She died in 1617. Now her husband was wealthy, had orange > groves, etc, and when he died his two sons were executors of his will, and he > was buried near the pulpit. I wonder if these two were separated. .I've > tried to find out about orange groves around Santa Barbara, Terceira. This > in the late 1500-1600 period. Nothing > > The death records give us a social idea of the parish...from the noble > class to the very poor. We can learn something about the status of our > ancestors. Such as "he was wrapped in a sheet, as he had no proper clothes > for > burial" Often the record will note the amount paid for the burial, "such as > 120 Reis paid for burial ". "Or he made no testament for being very poor > and was buried gratis." > > And then something like the following: My ancestor, Joana Gonsalves, died > on 16 Sept 1730, in Sao Bento, Terceira, and was buried in her brother's > private grave, next to the screen on the Epistle side. Her brother, Manuel > Simoes in his will , had provided 50,000 reis for the costs of his funeral. > > Also interesting in the death records is to read: Emilia Vieira left her > terca to her daughter , Joanna Sousa. > So one wonders where this terca came from - what morgado? From what I > remember about morgados is that this is an entailment, and that one who > inherited the morgado could leave a third to a cousin, sister, etc. > I noted several of my ancestors (women) who left terca's to their > daughters. I am not a good enough genealogist to figure out from what > morgado > that terca came from. Maybe it is not possible. > > So remember, it isn't only baptism and marriage records. Learn to read > the death records. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Linda L, The people who are more versed on history can answer. When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii. I saw a lot to America, and some to Canada and Brazil. When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less people leaving. If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people started emigrating again. But the historians in this group will chime in and let you know. I like history, but was not a history major or read extensively on it. Those who have read a lot or were history majors will post, I'm sure. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
Hi Linda, I've read Rick's response to this. It does get confusing. My grandparents are Mary Constance (Pimentel) and John George Carvalho. They had an arranged marriage. My Dad, John was their 2nd oldest child, born in 1915. So Rick's grandmother and my grandfather are siblings, and his grandfather and my grandmother are siblings. So it looks like we three are very related, although I would guess you are more our generation, yes? Donna (Carvalho) Moody Quoting Linda Norton : Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)? Linda Borges Furtado Norton -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Hi Joanne, Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to Attleboro. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Mercier Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Rick, I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar to you? Let me know. Joanne -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
My grandmother arrived in Providence on Nov. 1, 1922, from Pico. She said she then took a train from there to Chicago to Sacramento to Hanford. The trip from Chicago to Sacramento took 2 days. My grandfather came in 1920 and I am assuming that he came the same way. He came right after a child of theirs died from an accident. I've always wondered if he already had plans to come or if he came because of the accident. Does anyone know if there was something else going on in 1920 since it looks like a few others were coming at the same time? Linda > --> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > > membership." > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Death Records
Death Records. I found death records the most difficult to read - easier as time went on. There is wonderful information in these records. It is the best source of information as to the social standing and wealth of a person in a village. These records often state that a person left a will. Until about the early 1800s people were buried in the church...not in coffins; lime helped for faster decomposition. In many of the earlier records the exact location of burial was given : in front of the pulpit, on the gospel side near the gate of the chapel of St. Joseph, etc. One of my ancestors was buried in the grave of his grandmother, Catarina Jacome. This was interesting. Her death record states that she was poor, and buried in the grave of her ancestors..and yet she had a rather large funeral. Lots of masses, etc. She died in 1617. Now her husband was wealthy, had orange groves, etc, and when he died his two sons were executors of his will, and he was buried near the pulpit. I wonder if these two were separated. .I've tried to find out about orange groves around Santa Barbara, Terceira. This in the late 1500-1600 period. Nothing The death records give us a social idea of the parish...from the noble class to the very poor. We can learn something about the status of our ancestors. Such as "he was wrapped in a sheet, as he had no proper clothes for burial" Often the record will note the amount paid for the burial, "such as 120 Reis paid for burial ". "Or he made no testament for being very poor and was buried gratis." And then something like the following: My ancestor, Joana Gonsalves, died on 16 Sept 1730, in Sao Bento, Terceira, and was buried in her brother's private grave, next to the screen on the Epistle side. Her brother, Manuel Simoes in his will , had provided 50,000 reis for the costs of his funeral. Also interesting in the death records is to read: Emilia Vieira left her terca to her daughter , Joanna Sousa. So one wonders where this terca came from - what morgado? From what I remember about morgados is that this is an entailment, and that one who inherited the morgado could leave a third to a cousin, sister, etc. I noted several of my ancestors (women) who left terca's to their daughters. I am not a good enough genealogist to figure out from what morgado that terca came from. Maybe it is not possible. So remember, it isn't only baptism and marriage records. Learn to read the death records. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
So Rick, do you have the link to RCA Victor? If not I can send you what I have--again, sent to me by that ole Diane--some of his recordings. Donna Quoting Richard Francis Pimentel : Hi Joanne, Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to Attleboro. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Mercier Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Rick, I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar to you? Let me know. Joanne -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
Hi Linda, Mary Pimentel m John Carvalho & Josephine Carvalho m Manuel Pimentel (my grandparents). Mary Pimentel & Manuel Pimentel are siblings & John Carvalho and Josephine Carvalho are siblings. So my Carvalho 2nd cousins are genetically 1st cousins. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Norton Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:36 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)? Linda Borges Furtado Norton -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Hi Joanne, Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to Attleboro. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Mercier Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Rick, I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar to you? Let me know. Joanne -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question
Elaine, I don't remember how many years ago it was that FTM had a really big revamp. I really didn't like that look of the older versions of FTM. Too cluttered for my taste. The newer ones (FTM 2010 or 2011 or whatever) is still cluttered but has a lot of bells and whistles to assist in helping us as researchers with our genealogy. I did a review of it for the SLC conference last year. It does take some time in getting over the learning curve, but it can be done. And there are those that are good at FTM on this list that can help you off list. I know that the So. Calif. Gen. Society used to have a FTM user group too. You might check and see if there's one in your area. So. Cal also has a Legacy, RootsMagic, and The Master Genealogy User groups (PAF disbanded). It's an hour to an hour an half drive for me, but I do it so I can learn more about my genealogy program. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
> Jack They must have been on the same ship! The Madonna landed in New York City on the 4th of Aug. and then went on to Prov. RI. May Aunt Jessie said that they were held in the harbor in RI for 3 days because someone was ill and they quarantined the ship. Did you Mom ever say anything about that?? Rosemarie Rosemarie, > > My mother arrived on July 31, 1911. > > Jack > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge
Anything that you send will help. Shirley - Original Message - From: "Ginger" To: "Azores Genealogy" Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 5:31 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge Shirley, Thank you for trying. I look forward to next week. Would it help you if I gave you the names/dates of their children? Ginger On Mar 20, 2:26 pm, "Shirley Allegre" wrote: Ginger: I didn't find anything this week. I will again next week. (If I don't get snowed in.) - Original Message - From: "Ginger" To: "Azores Genealogy" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge Hi Shirley, You are an Angel. Thank you for offering to help. The info I have is from USA documents. My paternal Great- Grandfather's name is Jose Faustina/o Moraes, b. abt. 1856 in Velas, Sao Jorge. The only firm dates I have for him are his marriage (30 Dec 1880) and his death (31 Jan 1922) here in the USA. I believe his parents names are Antonio F. Moraes and Maria Rita. I don't have dates for them. Dates for him and his parents would be most appreciated. My maternal Great-Grandmother's name was Maria Santa de Jesus. She was born abt. 1853 in Velas (I think in the village of Rosaes), and was also married there abt. 1878-1879. If you can find her father's name for me, it would help. I believe her mother's name was Maria Bettencourt. Dates for her are unknown. I'm sorry that is all I have for you to work with, but anything you can find would be of help. God Bless and thanks again. Ginger On Mar 10, 12:19 pm, "Shirley Allegre" wrote: > I have the films at my local FHC for Velas, Sao Jorge. > Who are you looking for? Names, dates, etc. > My husband has ancestors from Velas. > Shirley in CA > - Original Message - > From: "Ginger" > To: "Azores Genealogy" > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 11:01 PM > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Online records for Sao Jorge > Hello Group, > Does anyone know of online records for Velas, Sao Jorge? My > maternal grandmother's line and my paternal great-grandfather's line > are from there. > The Uminho site still hasn't added those records. Does anyone know > if they plan on doing so? > Thank you, > Ginger > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership."- > Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Rosemarie, My mother arrived on July 31, 1911. Jack -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pitman Street Fall River.
Hi Celeste, My Maria de Benevides was born about 1683 and was married to Manuel de Oliveira on April 5, 1704. I remember seeing a conversation a while ago that you had about this with another member, but at the time i didn't know my mother's paternal side had a line going back to Bretanha or any of the people on that side for that matter. George was also instrumental in helping me with this too. On Mar 20, 9:21 pm, celeste perry wrote: > The Maria de Benevides that I have is an ancestor of my husband's paternal > grandmother. She died July 21, 1760, according to George Pacheco. She was > married to Manuel Pereira Cabral. Is this the same Maria de Benevides you > have? > Celeste, Hayward, CA > > Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com > > --- On Sun, 3/20/11, Altino DeMelo wrote: > > From: Altino DeMelo > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pitman Street Fall River. > To: "Azores Genealogy" > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 4:56 PM > > Hi Richard, > > I too have Medeiros' from Bretanha. In fact a while ago someone had > posted that they had a Maria de Benevides (Abt 1683) in their line, i > too have her, but i am hoping if anyone has any additional info or > would like to compare, you can e-mail me. > > On Mar 20, 7:33 pm, "Richard Francis Pimentel" > > > > > > wrote: > > Hi Joanne, > > > Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from > > Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother > > remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. > > The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle > > Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records > > from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am > > always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. > > They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. > > > I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to > > Attleboro. > > > Richard Francis Pimentel > > Spring, TX > > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > > -Original Message- > > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > > Joanne Mercier > > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM > > To: azores@googlegroups.com > > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. > > > Rick, > > I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She > > remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she > > thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I > > showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in > > that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) > > and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar > > to you? Let me know. > > > Joanne > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > right > > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when > they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pitman Street Fall River.
The Maria de Benevides that I have is an ancestor of my husband's paternal grandmother. She died July 21, 1760, according to George Pacheco. She was married to Manuel Pereira Cabral. Is this the same Maria de Benevides you have? Celeste, Hayward, CA Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com --- On Sun, 3/20/11, Altino DeMelo wrote: From: Altino DeMelo Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pitman Street Fall River. To: "Azores Genealogy" Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 4:56 PM Hi Richard, I too have Medeiros' from Bretanha. In fact a while ago someone had posted that they had a Maria de Benevides (Abt 1683) in their line, i too have her, but i am hoping if anyone has any additional info or would like to compare, you can e-mail me. On Mar 20, 7:33 pm, "Richard Francis Pimentel" wrote: > Hi Joanne, > > Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from > Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother > remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. > The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle > Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records > from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am > always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. > They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. > > I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to > Attleboro. > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Spring, TX > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > > > -Original Message- > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Joanne Mercier > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. > > Rick, > I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She > remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she > thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I > showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in > that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) > and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar > to you? Let me know. > > Joanne > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
Am I wrong Rick in saying that Mary Pimentel (your grandmother) m. John Carvalho? If so, which would mean their children, Carvalho's are my cousins as well being that they are Pimentel (Furtado's)? Linda Borges Furtado Norton -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Francis Pimentel Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 7:33 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Hi Joanne, Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to Attleboro. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Mercier Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Rick, I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar to you? Let me know. Joanne -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge
Shirley, Thank you for trying. I look forward to next week. Would it help you if I gave you the names/dates of their children? Ginger On Mar 20, 2:26 pm, "Shirley Allegre" wrote: > Ginger: I didn't find anything this week. I will again next week. (If I > don't get snowed in.) > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Ginger" > To: "Azores Genealogy" > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:50 PM > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge > > Hi Shirley, > > You are an Angel. Thank you for offering to help. > > The info I have is from USA documents. My paternal Great- > Grandfather's name is Jose Faustina/o Moraes, b. abt. 1856 in Velas, > Sao Jorge. The only firm dates I have for him are his marriage (30 > Dec 1880) and his death (31 Jan 1922) here in the USA. > I believe his parents names are Antonio F. Moraes and Maria Rita. I > don't have dates for them. Dates for him and his parents would be > most appreciated. > > My maternal Great-Grandmother's name was Maria Santa de Jesus. She > was born abt. 1853 in Velas (I think in the village of Rosaes), and > was also married there abt. 1878-1879. If you can find her > father's name for me, it would help. I believe her mother's name was > Maria Bettencourt. Dates for her are unknown. > > I'm sorry that is all I have for you to work with, but anything you > can find would be of help. > > God Bless and thanks again. > > Ginger > > On Mar 10, 12:19 pm, "Shirley Allegre" > wrote: > > I have the films at my local FHC for Velas, Sao Jorge. > > Who are you looking for? Names, dates, etc. > > My husband has ancestors from Velas. > > Shirley in CA > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Ginger" > > To: "Azores Genealogy" > > Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 11:01 PM > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Online records for Sao Jorge > > > Hello Group, > > > Does anyone know of online records for Velas, Sao Jorge? My > > maternal grandmother's line and my paternal great-grandfather's line > > are from there. > > > The Uminho site still hasn't added those records. Does anyone know > > if they plan on doing so? > > > Thank you, > > > Ginger > > > -- > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > right > > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."- > > Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."- > Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pitman Street Fall River.
Hi Richard, I too have Medeiros' from Bretanha. In fact a while ago someone had posted that they had a Maria de Benevides (Abt 1683) in their line, i too have her, but i am hoping if anyone has any additional info or would like to compare, you can e-mail me. On Mar 20, 7:33 pm, "Richard Francis Pimentel" wrote: > Hi Joanne, > > Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from > Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother > remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. > The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle > Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records > from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am > always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. > They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. > > I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to > Attleboro. > > Richard Francis Pimentel > Spring, TX > Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire > > > > -Original Message- > From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of > > Joanne Mercier > Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. > > Rick, > I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She > remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she > thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I > showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in > that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) > and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar > to you? Let me know. > > Joanne > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group > athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
Hi Joanne, Now it looks like we may have a common ancestor. My Carvalho's are from Bretanha and I do have some Medeiros in my line from there. If your mother remembered Bella then she definitely knew the family. The Carvalho Family was very large does your mother remember my great uncle Manuel J. Carvalho? He was an opera singer and recorded a number of records from 1917 to 1925. I have been try to locate his records I have some but am always looking for more they are all in Portuguese on the old 78 rpm format. They were on Victor (RCA) and Columbia. I never lived in Fall River. When my grandmother married she went to Attleboro. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Joanne Mercier Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 4:14 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River. Rick, I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar to you? Let me know. Joanne -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question
Hi Eric, My son bought this computer for himself a couple of months ago and is now buying the new ipad and he knows I have been wanting and needing a smaller computer so he gave it to me. He is a software engineer in management and I am sure this computer has all the bells and whistles possible. You have to know my son...only buys the best. He told me it is a the Professional model. This computer has more memory, etc. than my older, larger laptop which is getting TOO heavy for me to carry along anymore. I do not want to change from FTM because I like it and as I said before, I do not like change and learning new thingsgoing to the latest edition of FTM will be a big deal for me. But he bypassed the "you have to update" message so I will not be bothered by this and I am seriously considering updating to FTM 11 or whatever the newest version is today. You know tomorrow it will be obsolete!! You are dealing with a 74 year old woman here ..need I say more. But then, I am the most computer "literate" of all my sisters.I am also the youngest. I'm going to call Ancestry and talk to them about all of this. They are pretty nice people, especially since I have been a member since its inception. Getting too old, too soon. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Jack, What date do they land in RI on the Madonna? My Grandfather and his Mom, Dad & sibs all came in August of 1911 on the Madonna. Rosemarie > My grandmother, mother, and uncle arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1911 > from Terceira. My grandfather came a year before. The ship was S.S. > Madonna. > > My father arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1920 from Terceira. The ship > was S.S. Roma. > > All 4 of them traveled to Gustine, CA from R.I. by train. Gustine is 30 > miles west of Merced. The train trip took 6 days. > > Jack > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Jack, What date do they land in RI on the Madonna? My Grandfather and his Mom, Dad & sibs all came in August of 1911 on the Madonna. Rosemarie > My grandmother, mother, and uncle arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1911 > from Terceira. My grandfather came a year before. The ship was S.S. > Madonna. > > My father arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1920 from Terceira. The ship > was S.S. Roma. > > All 4 of them traveled to Gustine, CA from R.I. by train. Gustine is 30 > miles west of Merced. The train trip took 6 days. > > Jack > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question
About the RootsMagic (for those who want to know). Yes, RootsMagic has a neat little thing called RootsMagic To-Go. It can run the entire program off of your flash/thumb/travel/USB drive (the little thing that people wear around their neck that's about the size of a stick of gum, but they are making them smaller now). http://www.rootsmagic.com/ Here's a little bit on their To-Go feature: http://blog.rootsmagic.com/?p=326 Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question
I know this string is relatively mature on the board but I will add my 2 cents... First, you have referred to the computer on several occasions as a netbook. Historically, netbooks are less powerful computers that have limited memory and limited processing speed. Adding those two together gives you a computer that has an overall lower level of performance. While the price level is very affordable, this category of computers was introduced at CES two to three years ago to serve the people that wanted a computer that they can email and do their other word processing needs. They are not meant for running programs such as the FTM and the like, because of the resources needed to run the programs. I would look into running RootsMagic or the mobile version of Roots Magic. Legacy may work on the computer as well... (Legacy Note: I have no knowledge of whether it will work, I am basing this on the fact that Celeste won a copy of the software with the netbook that she won in the drawing at the Family History Expo last year in Pleasanton, CA) Second, Cheri mentioned in an earlier post that there is a way to run older programs in Windows 7... and the answer is yes there is... she also correctly said that it is in the higher versions of Windows 7... Professional and Ultimate. Unfortunately, if your computer is a true netbook... it likely does not have the power and performance ability to run Windows 7. I would visit a local Best Buy and ask the geek squad or ask a tech savvy relative or neighbor that you trust before you spend the $199.00 minimum for the upgrade. So there you have my two cents... if you have any questions Elaine, please feel free to email me your questions or I can send you my phone number off the board to talk directly. It also sounds like you are in good hands with your son... Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 8:42 AM, "E" Sharp wrote: > I want to thank everyone for their replies. I have passed on all the > info on to my son. Here are the reasons I question it. Number 1 - I > dislike learning new things. Number 2 - I dislike when you are forced > to purchase an upgrade. Number 3 - I may have no > choiceas I know I will really like my new > netbook. It is an HP Professional, with many bells and whistles > including 2 batteries, case, a portable disk drive and a few other > nice features. I don't have it here at home yet as this decision about > FTM has been holding up it's delivery plus I have been out of town the > past 3 days. > > Thank you all again. You never fail me. > > "E" > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- Eric Gomes Castro Valley, CA Surnames: Gomes, Smith, Townsend, Lopes, Cabral, Erwin, Kennedy, Rodman, Rodrigues, and many more. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
The Carlos Machado work (for Sao Miguel island only): That manuscript is on the CCA Web site. However, Fr. Joe Viveiros of Swansea, Massachusetts indexed all 660 pages (and they are HUGE pages, not 8 x 11 or even 8 x 14). He worked on this for a period of 4 - 6 years (I can't remember, but George and John Raposo probably remember). He has the index in a Gedcom that you can import into your genealogy program. Then you can reference the actual page if you want to verify against the original work. I don't remember the cost of the index (maybe $50-60) for this 660+ pages. I'm sure George or John can tell you where to mail the check (I know it is to be made out to Fr. Joseph Viveiros). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
Rick, I spoke with my Mom today and showed her the pictures you sent. She remembers that her cousins were Carvalhos who lived on Pitman Street and she thought the picture was of Bella (I didn't tell her who it was before I showed it to her). She also mentioned her cousin Gloria possibly being in that family - she still lives in Fall River and is about my Mom's age (89) and works at St. Michael's Club on Webster Street. Is any of this familiar to you? Let me know. Joanne -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
My grandmother, mother, and uncle arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1911 from Terceira. My grandfather came a year before. The ship was S.S. Madonna. My father arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1920 from Terceira. The ship was S.S. Roma. All 4 of them traveled to Gustine, CA from R.I. by train. Gustine is 30 miles west of Merced. The train trip took 6 days. Jack -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
> John Thanks so much for the detailed list of books and what they cover! This is great. I just with that some of them were more available to the general public. Maybe they will eventually be digitized and we will be able to view them as we can with the 5 on the CCA site. Thanks again Rosemarie In case anybody is wondering: > > Gaspar Frutuoso, Saudades da Terra (Volume III, Book IV is about S. > Miguel) > Cordeiro's Históoria Insulana, like Frutuoso, is about all of the islands > and is deivided up by islands. > Diogo de Chagas, Espelho Cristalino de Várias Flores, is about all the > islands, but concentrates on Flores. > Carlos Machado's genealogias is primarily concentrated on S. Miguel. > Rodrigo Rodrigues, Denealogias de S. Miguel e S. Maria, > Arruda Botelho da Câmara, Morgado João, Instituições Vininculares e Notas > Genealógicas. Instituto Cultural de Ponta Delgada, 1995. > Canto, Ernesto do, Extractos de Registos Paroquiais, ms. nd. Biblioteca > Municipal de Ponta Delgada. (ms. nd.) > Árvores Genealógicas extraídas das Saudades da Terra do Dr. Gaspar > Fructuoso. ms. (1894) Biblioteca Municipal de Ponta Delgada, n.d. > > Reis, Octávio. Registos Paroquiais da Freguesia da Bretanha. ms, > Biblioteca Municipal de Ponta > Delgada, n.d. > Pilar :Apontamentos: 13-11-1974 (Bretanha) > Sá, Ayres de, Quatro Centenário do Descobrimento da India: Frei Gonçalo > Velho, Vol. II, Sociedade de Geografia de Lisboa, Impresa Nacional, > Lisbon: 1900. > Miguel Soares da Silva, > Termos de Baptizados da Igreja da Ajuda da Bretanha: Extractos dum Livro > feito pelo Vigário da Bretanha, André de Sousa Dias no Ano de 1727 A.D. > Ponta Delgada: June 2006. > Termos de Casados da Bretanha: Extractos dum Livro feito pelo Vigário da > Bretanha, André de Sousa Dias no Ano de 1727 A.D. Ponta Delgada: June > 2006. > > > --- On Sun, 3/20/11, John Raposo wrote: > > > From: John Raposo > Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The > Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept > To: azores@googlegroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 2:26 PM > > > > > > > > This is where years of experience in genealogical research pays off. Let > me give a personal example. The microfilmed records of Bretanha marriages > go back to 1703 and Canto's index only goes back only to 1736. But the > archives has the mauscript of the late father Luís Octávio dos Reis of > Bretanha, whose hobby was the genealogy of the people of Bretanha. His > births go back to 1606! And then there if the manuscript of André de Sousa > Dias. He was Vicar in Bretanha in 1727 and discovered the remnants of a > much decayed parish register. Fearing that the remaining records in that > book would eventually deteriorate completely he copied out what was left > in that old rotting book. Thus we have baptisms from 1606 to 1679 (with > many gaps) and marriages going back from 1569 (also with many gaps) to > 1677. That still leave a space of about 25 years before the available > microfilmed marriage records begin. > > And then once you've exhasuted those non-microfilmed sources you can then > turn to other sources. There are published records of wills and > entailments. There are also the geenalogies of Carlos Machado (available > for view of the CCA site) and the genealogies of Rodrigo Rodrigues.There > is Frutuoso, Cordeiro and Diogo de Chagas. > > When I started my research, all of my known ancestors were peasants > although like so many other families, we had our legends about nobles and > royals. Eventually I was able to connect back to King Fernando I. > > The Azores was settled by successive small groups of people. Their surving > children and grandchildren had a small number of possible marriage > partners and thus there was frequent intermarriage. Once estates were > entailed, there was another reason for arranging advantageous marriages > from a restricted social class. Entailments almost assured that the > children and grandchildren of Morgados, who were not first sons, would > soon decline into the peasant class since they did not inherit very much > and were not, therefore, considered good marriage prospects. My research > connected my peasants back to the original settlers. And some of those > settlers had well established lineages going back to nobles and royals. > > There are genealogists who will do your research for you for a fee. George > Pacheco is one of the most talented genealogists I know and his prices are > more than reasonable. However, if you have the time and access to a FHC, > you can do the work yourself for the cost of the microfilm rental. (The > FHC in Dartmouth, MA already has all of the Azorean microfilmed records on > permanent loan, so there would not even be a rental cost involved). > The more research you do, the further back you go, the less you will need > to spend with a researcher and the greater the likelihood you will be able > pick up in the nicely pr
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
In case anybody is wondering: Gaspar Frutuoso, Saudades da Terra (Volume III, Book IV is about S. Miguel) Cordeiro's Históoria Insulana, like Frutuoso, is about all of the islands and is deivided up by islands. Diogo de Chagas, Espelho Cristalino de Várias Flores, is about all the islands, but concentrates on Flores. Carlos Machado's genealogias is primarily concentrated on S. Miguel. Rodrigo Rodrigues, Denealogias de S. Miguel e S. Maria, Arruda Botelho da Câmara, Morgado João, Instituições Vininculares e Notas Genealógicas. Instituto Cultural de Ponta Delgada, 1995. Canto, Ernesto do, Extractos de Registos Paroquiais, ms. nd. Biblioteca Municipal de Ponta Delgada. (ms. nd.) Árvores Genealógicas extraídas das Saudades da Terra do Dr. Gaspar Fructuoso. ms. (1894) Biblioteca Municipal de Ponta Delgada, n.d. Reis, Octávio. Registos Paroquiais da Freguesia da Bretanha. ms, Biblioteca Municipal de Ponta Delgada, n.d. Pilar :Apontamentos: 13-11-1974 (Bretanha) Sá, Ayres de, Quatro Centenário do Descobrimento da India: Frei Gonçalo Velho, Vol. II, Sociedade de Geografia de Lisboa, Impresa Nacional, Lisbon: 1900. Miguel Soares da Silva, Termos de Baptizados da Igreja da Ajuda da Bretanha: Extractos dum Livro feito pelo Vigário da Bretanha, André de Sousa Dias no Ano de 1727 A.D. Ponta Delgada: June 2006. Termos de Casados da Bretanha: Extractos dum Livro feito pelo Vigário da Bretanha, André de Sousa Dias no Ano de 1727 A.D. Ponta Delgada: June 2006. --- On Sun, 3/20/11, John Raposo wrote: From: John Raposo Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 2:26 PM This is where years of experience in genealogical research pays off. Let me give a personal example. The microfilmed records of Bretanha marriages go back to 1703 and Canto's index only goes back only to 1736. But the archives has the mauscript of the late father Luís Octávio dos Reis of Bretanha, whose hobby was the genealogy of the people of Bretanha. His births go back to 1606! And then there if the manuscript of André de Sousa Dias. He was Vicar in Bretanha in 1727 and discovered the remnants of a much decayed parish register. Fearing that the remaining records in that book would eventually deteriorate completely he copied out what was left in that old rotting book. Thus we have baptisms from 1606 to 1679 (with many gaps) and marriages going back from 1569 (also with many gaps) to 1677. That still leave a space of about 25 years before the available microfilmed marriage records begin. And then once you've exhasuted those non-microfilmed sources you can then turn to other sources. There are published records of wills and entailments. There are also the geenalogies of Carlos Machado (available for view of the CCA site) and the genealogies of Rodrigo Rodrigues.There is Frutuoso, Cordeiro and Diogo de Chagas. When I started my research, all of my known ancestors were peasants although like so many other families, we had our legends about nobles and royals. Eventually I was able to connect back to King Fernando I. The Azores was settled by successive small groups of people. Their surving children and grandchildren had a small number of possible marriage partners and thus there was frequent intermarriage. Once estates were entailed, there was another reason for arranging advantageous marriages from a restricted social class. Entailments almost assured that the children and grandchildren of Morgados, who were not first sons, would soon decline into the peasant class since they did not inherit very much and were not, therefore, considered good marriage prospects. My research connected my peasants back to the original settlers. And some of those settlers had well established lineages going back to nobles and royals. There are genealogists who will do your research for you for a fee. George Pacheco is one of the most talented genealogists I know and his prices are more than reasonable. However, if you have the time and access to a FHC, you can do the work yourself for the cost of the microfilm rental. (The FHC in Dartmouth, MA already has all of the Azorean microfilmed records on permanent loan, so there would not even be a rental cost involved). The more research you do, the further back you go, the less you will need to spend with a researcher and the greater the likelihood you will be able pick up in the nicely printed texts of Rodrigo Rodrigues. Once you connect to a noble or a royal there are plenty of reliable print and on line sources that will take you back to the Middle Ages! Just about every Azorean descends from several of the settler families. But you've got to have the patience and the time to work your way back to them, or the money to engage a researcher. John Miranda Raposo --- On Sat, 3/19/11, MIKE A wrot
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
George knew Fr. Octavio. He wishes he had picked his brain when he was alive. --- On Sun, 3/20/11, Cheri Mello wrote: From: Cheri Mello Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept To: azores@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, March 20, 2011, 5:10 PM John said: << Luís Octávio dos Reis of Bretanha, whose hobby was the genealogy of the people of Bretanha>> I thought his name was George Pacheco! LOL (for those new to the reading audience - George is a native of Bretanha and has also amassed quite a collection on his freguesia of Bretanha). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge
Ginger: I didn't find anything this week. I will again next week. (If I don't get snowed in.) - Original Message - From: "Ginger" To: "Azores Genealogy" Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 1:50 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Online records for Sao Jorge Hi Shirley, You are an Angel. Thank you for offering to help. The info I have is from USA documents. My paternal Great- Grandfather's name is Jose Faustina/o Moraes, b. abt. 1856 in Velas, Sao Jorge. The only firm dates I have for him are his marriage (30 Dec 1880) and his death (31 Jan 1922) here in the USA. I believe his parents names are Antonio F. Moraes and Maria Rita. I don't have dates for them. Dates for him and his parents would be most appreciated. My maternal Great-Grandmother's name was Maria Santa de Jesus. She was born abt. 1853 in Velas (I think in the village of Rosaes), and was also married there abt. 1878-1879. If you can find her father's name for me, it would help. I believe her mother's name was Maria Bettencourt. Dates for her are unknown. I'm sorry that is all I have for you to work with, but anything you can find would be of help. God Bless and thanks again. Ginger On Mar 10, 12:19 pm, "Shirley Allegre" wrote: I have the films at my local FHC for Velas, Sao Jorge. Who are you looking for? Names, dates, etc. My husband has ancestors from Velas. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: "Ginger" To: "Azores Genealogy" Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2011 11:01 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Online records for Sao Jorge Hello Group, Does anyone know of online records for Velas, Sao Jorge? My maternal grandmother's line and my paternal great-grandfather's line are from there. The Uminho site still hasn't added those records. Does anyone know if they plan on doing so? Thank you, Ginger -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Bob, By point A to point B you are asking how he got from Providence, RI to Merced, CA? Probably train. I don't think train (choo choo train) manifests exist. And the migration was within the country, not people from outside the country. The government keeps track of the outsiders from other countries. I know of a few Mormon wagon trail lists that exist, but 1920 was probably too late for the wagon. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
Hi, I agree with John Raposo. His information is always so succinct and knowledgeable. I am a relative newbie and find it very rewarding to either find or confirm data that has been given to me. I also find knowledge of the overall history of the azores to be of great help in understanding our forefathers. Thank you John, Tish On Mar 18, 2011 8:20pm, MIKE A wrote: hello all, First off i would like to say how great this website is being . I have just joined, thanks to some other users who i stumbled upon while starting my geneology search . They have been tremendous help in guiding me to research my great grandparents line of " de sousa calouro" , and " vieira anselmo". I would like to order some records from the bibliotecas and arquivos . I need to go back to the timeframe of 1750 or so ( ribeira seca and ribeira grande area, ns da conceicao, etc). I was wondering how far back in time does the bibliotecas have the records from? I know the parishes keep them for different timeframes , but was wondering if the bibliotecas will have older records? Also i was looking at the national archives website "Arquivo Nacional da Torre do Tombo". Would they have most of the records that the biblioteca would have , or would they have older and more detailed info? ( marriage, death , etc. I tried looking around the site , but it is in portuguese and my portuguese reading is not the greatest. also is the cost the same 18 us dollars for a record copy or has the price changed? sorry for all the newbie questions , but am trying to learn the secrets ,lol. Thanks a million for your patience any feedback appreciated. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Familia Faialenses access
Actually (and now I'm going off topic), you should always update the Java, Adobe Reader, Windows updates, when they ask (or demand) that you do so. Some of them have have security fixes (yes, the hackers like to mess with Adobe Reader and Java too). Not only are you safer, then you won't be having technically difficulties later. Cheri -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
John said: << Luís Octávio dos Reis of Bretanha, whose hobby was the genealogy of the people of Bretanha>> I thought his name was George Pacheco! LOL (for those new to the reading audience - George is a native of Bretanha and has also amassed quite a collection on his freguesia of Bretanha). Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Hello group I have question, and I am not sure if anyone has come across this. My Grandfather came to the United States in 1920. He arrived at the port of Providence R.I. on 09/28/1920 and it shows he travel from R.I to Merced CA. My question is the following' what route would he have taken to go from point A to point B and would there be any records of his travel. I know that he was about 15 years old and came to the U.S. by himself base on the ship manifest, I also was told he traveled by himself to Merced, CA. I have other family members that have done the same thing. Any assistance or idea's would be helpful. Bob Camacho Researching the Island of Terceira for da Costa, Evangelho, Pacheco, Ferriera Researching the Island of Graciousa for Reis Researching the Island of Madeira for Camacho Researching Brazil for Evangelho -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Need Computer Guru's Help Win XP vs Win 7 Family Tree Maker Question
I want to thank everyone for their replies. I have passed on all the info on to my son. Here are the reasons I question it. Number 1 - I dislike learning new things. Number 2 - I dislike when you are forced to purchase an upgrade. Number 3 - I may have no choiceas I know I will really like my new netbook. It is an HP Professional, with many bells and whistles including 2 batteries, case, a portable disk drive and a few other nice features. I don't have it here at home yet as this decision about FTM has been holding up it's delivery plus I have been out of town the past 3 days. Thank you all again. You never fail me. "E" -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
[AZORES-Genealogy] Familia Faialenses access
Dear Group I've thought of a possible solution to the problem that T Jesso was having with opening the Familia documents. Make sure that your Java Script program is updated!! I had this problem at work last year and once I updated I could open the document I needed! Good Luck, Rosemarie -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept
This is where years of experience in genealogical research pays off. Let me give a personal example. The microfilmed records of Bretanha marriages go back to 1703 and Canto's index only goes back only to 1736. But the archives has the mauscript of the late father Luís Octávio dos Reis of Bretanha, whose hobby was the genealogy of the people of Bretanha. His births go back to 1606! And then there if the manuscript of André de Sousa Dias. He was Vicar in Bretanha in 1727 and discovered the remnants of a much decayed parish register. Fearing that the remaining records in that book would eventually deteriorate completely he copied out what was left in that old rotting book. Thus we have baptisms from 1606 to 1679 (with many gaps) and marriages going back from 1569 (also with many gaps) to 1677. That still leave a space of about 25 years before the available microfilmed marriage records begin. And then once you've exhasuted those non-microfilmed sources you can then turn to other sources. There are published records of wills and entailments. There are also the geenalogies of Carlos Machado (available for view of the CCA site) and the genealogies of Rodrigo Rodrigues.There is Frutuoso, Cordeiro and Diogo de Chagas. When I started my research, all of my known ancestors were peasants although like so many other families, we had our legends about nobles and royals. Eventually I was able to connect back to King Fernando I. The Azores was settled by successive small groups of people. Their surving children and grandchildren had a small number of possible marriage partners and thus there was frequent intermarriage. Once estates were entailed, there was another reason for arranging advantageous marriages from a restricted social class. Entailments almost assured that the children and grandchildren of Morgados, who were not first sons, would soon decline into the peasant class since they did not inherit very much and were not, therefore, considered good marriage prospects. My research connected my peasants back to the original settlers. And some of those settlers had well established lineages going back to nobles and royals. There are genealogists who will do your research for you for a fee. George Pacheco is one of the most talented genealogists I know and his prices are more than reasonable. However, if you have the time and access to a FHC, you can do the work yourself for the cost of the microfilm rental. (The FHC in Dartmouth, MA already has all of the Azorean microfilmed records on permanent loan, so there would not even be a rental cost involved). The more research you do, the further back you go, the less you will need to spend with a researcher and the greater the likelihood you will be able pick up in the nicely printed texts of Rodrigo Rodrigues. Once you connect to a noble or a royal there are plenty of reliable print and on line sources that will take you back to the Middle Ages! Just about every Azorean descends from several of the settler families. But you've got to have the patience and the time to work your way back to them, or the money to engage a researcher. John Miranda Raposo --- On Sat, 3/19/11, MIKE A wrote: From: MIKE A Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: How long are records at The Bibliotecas and Arquivos kept To: "Azores Genealogy" Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:51 PM Thanks Cherri for the info. So basically d biblioteca's records go just as far back as what the fhlc has in their databases. So if. We would like to go further back then what the fhlc's records what other avenues are there for record keeping in the azores? Or are we simply out of luck? On Mar 19, 12:23 am, Cheri Mello wrote: > Hi Mike, > > The Azores have their own division of records. > > Recent records (present to about 100 years ago) are held at the Registo > Civil (Civil Registry). Each concelho (like an American county) has a Civil > Registry. > > Records older than 100 years are shipped to the Biblioteca e Arquivo. The > Azores has 3: > Ponta Delgada: Holds the records from Sao Miguel and Santa Maria > Angra: Holds the records from Terceira, Graciosa, and Sao Jorge. > Horta: Holds the records from Faial, Pico, Flores, and Corvo. > > Records are shipped from the Registo Civil to the Biblioteca usually in > years that are divisible by 5. Last, year, 2010, the Biblioteca received > records from 1906 - 1910. In 2015, the Biblioteca will receive records from > 1911 - 1915. That's a rough estimate. The Registo Civil may ship more > books if space is needed there. > > The Biblioteca holds records back to the beginning. Or what's left of > them. You can always check the Family History Library Catalog to get a > feeling for what is there and then bring it up to the current - 1910. N.S. > da Conceicao in Ribeira Grande has baptisms, marriages, and deaths from 1699 > - 1910. But if you go pick on another church, say Sao Miguel Arcanjo in > Vila Franca, you will
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pitman Street Fall River.
My father's family lived on Pitman Street around the same time. My grandparents would be Manuel & Jorgina Mederios Grota and they would have had 7 children by 1927, my father being one of them (they eventually had 11). My Dad is deceased but I will show my Mom the picture of the children and see if she can identify anyone. Her family lived 2 streets over on Choate Street and they all belonged to the same church so everyone knew everyone else. Joanne Joanne Medeiros Grota Mercier Researching Bretanha (Medeiros Grota, Sousa), Lagoa (Luiz) and Rabe de Peixe (Martins Gouveia) -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
