[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Fayal was the second largest port in the Azores. As such, it saw many foreign ships, including whalers and fishing vessels that would often stop to sign up crew replacements. So, the short answer to your question is, yes, a native of the Azores can have the surname Williams. Often surnames became remastered to make them sound more Portuguese or more English. Major settlement of the Azores was, of course, by Portuguese nobility, who were offered land and power to colonize the newly discovered islands in the 15th century. Shortly after they were joined by Flemish expatriates under an agreement by the respective kings of Portugal and France. Owing to the history of the islands, persons from Scotland, France, Italy, and Spain, were also permitted to settle in the islands from time to time. Re: GGF - Can you decipher the parents' surnames? the parish he was married in? On May 10, 11:23 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for shevory at comcast.net I'm not sure where to send this inquiry, but maybe you can direct me. I signed up seeking information about my great-grandfather, Frank Williams from Fayal. I have not seen anything from anyone concerning Fayal. Also, could a native of the Azores have the surname Williams? That is part of the mystery. I have a copy of his marriage record but cannot make out some of the information. His father's name was Joseph something, and his mother was Antonia. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Different wording on Baptism record
No Donna the record clearly states he was born on 7 Jan and baptized on 11 Jan. I will be in NH on Jun 1, can't wait for the family party. Rick. Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Donna Moody Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 9:09 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Different wording on Baptism record Hey Rick, Could it have been a still-born birth? Donna Quoting Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net: Manoel, I was thinking about that this afternoon. A priest can do sacraments to a person that has just died. The belief is that although the body has died the soul lingers for a period of time. There is a very fine line that they can do this so perhaps the child was in distress and they got to the church just as he died and the priest baptized him. In the writing of the record the priest did not write Felho legitimo because the child was already dead (obviously no descendants) and would not inherit anything upon death of his father so the legal form was not required. This record is the first one I have seen this way. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 4:27 PM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Different wording on Baptism record Hi Rick, I think is 'morto', 'dead' in english. Another word in portuguese for 'defunto', 'falecido'. It seems that the priest used two forms to write the letter 't' . That´s why I couldn´t see the letter 't' in 'mortem'. The child was baptized just after his death. Manoel 2011/5/10 Richard Francis Pimentel rfrancispimen...@comcast.net: Hi Manoel, I have seen in margin notes the word morro used could this be a variation of that word? Usually a priest would write defunto after the name of the person that was dead. I guess I will have to search the obitos to see if the father had died. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Manoel Cesar Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2011 8:32 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Different wording on Baptism record Though I'm not quite sure, it seems to me that it is 'post mortem', 'after death' in Latin. My doubt is that I can´t see the letter 't' in the word 'mortem'. Manoel -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation Azores+directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Thank you so very much; this is very helpful. He signed on to the Brig Kate Cory, a whaler, at an early age. The ship was confiscated by the U.S. Navy during the Civil War, burned by the Alabama, a Confederate ship, and the seamen were put ashore on the coast of Brazil. From there, he somehow got to the United States, and eventually married a Civil War widow. They were married in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Therefore, there is no parish to explore. I am going to make a trip to New Bedford to look at old records to see if I can decipher his parents' surnames. Thank you again. -Original Message- From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Dano Sent: Wednesday, May 11, 2011 1:01 AM To: Azores Genealogy Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial Fayal was the second largest port in the Azores. As such, it saw many foreign ships, including whalers and fishing vessels that would often stop to sign up crew replacements. So, the short answer to your question is, yes, a native of the Azores can have the surname Williams. Often surnames became remastered to make them sound more Portuguese or more English. Major settlement of the Azores was, of course, by Portuguese nobility, who were offered land and power to colonize the newly discovered islands in the 15th century. Shortly after they were joined by Flemish expatriates under an agreement by the respective kings of Portugal and France. Owing to the history of the islands, persons from Scotland, France, Italy, and Spain, were also permitted to settle in the islands from time to time. Re: GGF - Can you decipher the parents' surnames? the parish he was married in? On May 10, 11:23 pm, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Repost for shevory at comcast.net I'm not sure where to send this inquiry, but maybe you can direct me. I signed up seeking information about my great-grandfather, Frank Williams from Fayal. I have not seen anything from anyone concerning Fayal. Also, could a native of the Azores have the surname Williams? That is part of the mystery. I have a copy of his marriage record but cannot make out some of the information. His father's name was Joseph something, and his mother was Antonia. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Shevory, Maybe you should scan the record and send it to the list (attach it to your email). It's been many years, but if I remember correctly, Danielle Steel is a quarter Portuguese. She had someone come from England (surname Stone) and I think the records in the Azores named the descendants Manuel Stone da Silva (I made that upbut it was Portuguese first name, Stone, then Portuguese last name). I think it would be best to send the record to the list. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] God Parent names are another tool
Hi All, As many of you know I have been working on the records of Sanrtissimo Salvador Church records since 1995 when I embarked on a project to extract all the marriages on the film covering the years 1836-1883. There are 542 marriages during this period. In Addition I have added a number of marriages from the nearby parish on Nossa Senhora da Estrela. I have entered these marriages in a data base with the undated marriages of their parents of the brides and grooms. As many of you also know Priests had a habit of changing names on documents based on factors we may or may not understand? Woman's names are particularly prone to this. A woman may be known as Rita dos Santos on one record and Rita de Jesus on several records and Rita de Sousa on another but they are all the same woman I figured out many of these families but there some I was not sure of and to try and in my effort to make things accurate I have resorted to many tricks. I had a couple of families the names were Luis de Sousa and Rosa Ferreira and Luis de Sousa and Rosa Moniz. Both couples were about the same age and with the name Luis de Sousa matching and the wives first name of Rosa I suspected they were the same people. One of the couples I had located 4 grandchildren and the other I had located 1 grandchild from two different families. I started looking at the birth records of the grand children in particular the names of the god parents. On the record from the couple with one child (grandmother named Rosa Moniz) the godfathers name was Jacinto Ferreira. He was described as married from the parish and uncle on the mothers side tio maturno I now started looking at the birth records of the children of the other couple (grand children of Rosa Ferreira) and the first record I looked at named the god father as Jacinto Fereira tio maturno and the second record named the god father as Jacinto Ferreira from the parish and maternal uncle tio maturno at this point I was sure that Rosa Ferreira and Rosa Moniz were the same woman and had two daughters and 5 grandchildren. Suspicion solved. I guess the point is that every record has details that we sometimes over look some of the information in our haste to put families. Looking at this family now the Uncle Jacinto was well liked and respected in the family and two of his nieces wanted him to be the god father or their children. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Give me the name of the bride and the name of the groom and I can probably find their marriage record for you. E On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:31 AM, shevory shev...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you so very much; this is very helpful. He signed on to the Brig Kate Cory, a whaler, at an early age. The ship was confiscated by the U.S. Navy during the Civil War, burned by the Alabama, a Confederate ship, and the seamen were put ashore on the coast of Brazil. From there, he somehow got to the United States, and eventually married a Civil War widow. They were married in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Therefore, there is no parish to explore. I am going to make a trip to New Bedford to look at old records to see if I can decipher his parents' surnames. Thank you again. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
There is a query posted on the Azores GenWeb for Williams here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/queries2003.html#17 Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ On May 11, 2011, at 1:05 PM, E Sharp wrote: Give me the name of the bride and the name of the groom and I can probably find their marriage record for you. E On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:31 AM, shevory shev...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you so very much; this is very helpful. He signed on to the Brig Kate Cory, a whaler, at an early age. The ship was confiscated by the U.S. Navy during the Civil War, burned by the Alabama, a Confederate ship, and the seamen were put ashore on the coast of Brazil. From there, he somehow got to the United States, and eventually married a Civil War widow. They were married in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Therefore, there is no parish to explore. I am going to make a trip to New Bedford to look at old records to see if I can decipher his parents' surnames. Thank you again. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
Thank you, Kathy, George Williams 35 mariner b. Fayal, W.I. (no parents listed) and Hannah Higgins 25 married in Wellfleet MA Nov. 10, 1854 by George Denham, Cleryman. Actual record is listed on www.familysearch.org This one will be difficult as no parents are listed on marriage record. I would try and see if you can get a copy of the form they filled out to get the marriage license and hope it might have this info. What info do you have that he died ca 1857? I went to the New Bedford Whalers List and there are 62 records for the name George Williams listed around the 1840/50 timeframe http://www.newbedford-ma.gov/Library/Whaling/Whaling.html E On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 1:25 PM, Kathy Cardoza kmacard...@me.com wrote: There is a query posted on the Azores GenWeb for Williams here: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/queries2003.html#17 Kathy ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ On May 11, 2011, at 1:05 PM, E Sharp wrote: Give me the name of the bride and the name of the groom and I can probably find their marriage record for you. E On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 3:31 AM, shevory shev...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you so very much; this is very helpful. He signed on to the Brig Kate Cory, a whaler, at an early age. The ship was confiscated by the U.S. Navy during the Civil War, burned by the Alabama, a Confederate ship, and the seamen were put ashore on the coast of Brazil. From there, he somehow got to the United States, and eventually married a Civil War widow. They were married in New Bedford, Massachusetts. Therefore, there is no parish to explore. I am going to make a trip to New Bedford to look at old records to see if I can decipher his parents' surnames. Thank you again. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. ~~~ Visit the Azores GenWeb Project: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/azoresindex.html Climb my Family Tree: http://homepage.mac.com/kmacardoza/Genealogy/Kathy/index.htm ~~~ -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Williams from Faial
I notice on Ancestry there is a George Williams and Hannah Higgins family tree (Clark). I found Hannah and her 2 sons on 1860 census. I also found George Williams in 1860 census b. Portugal living with another Williams family in Wellfleet MA. Did they separate or divorce? I also found George Williams in 1850 census living in a hotel in Wellfleet MA. E -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
