[AZORES-Genealogy] Port of Departure
Good afternoon. I have been trying for sometime to find my grandfather, Jose Teixeira Luiz, on a passenger list. According to family tradition, he and his brother Manuel left Ribeira Seca, Sao Jorge to come to the US together. This would have occurred sometime between 1898 - 1903. Where would be the logical port of departure for residents of Sao Jorge? Sao Miguel? -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Port of Departure
Karen, I think Horta on Faial is the closest port. Either that or Angra on Terceira. Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel is definitely the furthest port from Sao Jorge island. I would guess the port closest to home would be where an ancestor would leave. But if they had to leave soon, they may have gone to any port to get out the soonest. I've seen a few Sao Jorge people leaving from Sao Miguel, but the vast majority are from Sao Miguel and Santa Maria islands. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Please
Sam, the files are too small, did you get those, that size, or are you shrinking them before you send ? At least double the resolution would make them readable. 1600 pixels of height would do! Cheers On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 2:06 AM, Sam Koester sam...@surewest.net wrote: Hello again everyone. I am once more relying on the generosity of others to help me translate this document which is the marriage of my paternal great grandparents. I “think” most of what I’ve written is correct but; would love for someone to check my work, make corrections and fill in the question marks if possible. Thank you very much in advance, Sam in CA ** ** p.s. second page to follow in separate email. No. 1: Jose Soares Coelho de Figueiredo and Jacintha Umbelina de Jesus*** * On the 7th day of the month of January of the year 1874 in this Parochial Parish of Santa Barbara, council of Villa do Porto, Island of Santa Maria, Diocese of Angra, in my presence received the betrothed Jose Soares Coelho de Figueiredo and Jacintha Umbelina de Jesus, of whom I acknowledge with all the necessary papers and without impediment either canonical or civil for marriage. Two ???, obtained a dispensation of kinship of 4th degree ? that bound them by sentence the excellent Reverend Mr. Bishop of this diocese of 24 of November of the year 1873; He of the age of 28 years, single, small farmer, resident of the place of Feteireas in the Parish of San Pedro of this council, where he is a native and baptized, legitimate son of Jose Manoel Coelho, native and baptized in that Parish and of Maria Jacintha de Figueiredo, whose occupation ??? ??? ??? ???, native and baptized of Santa Barbara and she of the age of 23 years, single, living with dear parents at the place of Feterireas of this Parish, legitimate daughter of Antonio Jose de Moura, ? and of Rosa Jacintha de Jesus, whose occupation (governo de sua cara) *government in your face??? * Native and baptized in this Parish, of whom the betrothed received each other as husband and wife and I joined them in matrimony ?? ?? of ?? ?? Ecclesiastical of this same island in ??? of three is correct month and year, following in all this process the rites of the Holy Roman Catholic Apostolic Church. Witnesses were present whom I acknowledge Antonio Soares Velho de Bettencourt, small farmer, ??? resident ??? of the place of Feteiras of this parish of San Pedro and Francisco Joaquin de Andrade, ,? of this church and resident of the same place. In proof of this, I made in duplicate this entry, which after having been read and checked in the presence of the spouses and witnesses, with me and signed ?? by the last ??? de not know how to write. ** ** It is as above, Francisco Joaquin de Andrade Assistant Vicar, Angelo Soares da Camara ** ** ** ** ** ** -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- Ricardo Chaves www.rchaves.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Traveling to Sao Miguel and looking for family history
Hi Charles, after reading a little better, looks like you were planning to come here just for the research. Dano is quite right, if you are coming here with the single purpose of researching, than its very important that you bring as much information you can, because you will save and need time. Also it seams you don't know which Island your relatives are from? Cabral is a common name in Santa Maria, but also in Sao Miguel. I actually have this name in my mother's lineage, its in my research plans too. Cheers On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 6:23 AM, charles cabral ccab...@signatureprinters.com wrote: Can anyone suggest how I may find my family history on the island? My parents, aunts and uncles have passed on and am left to my own devices to find this information. I have my grandparents name but that is all I have. What would be my best course to take? Thank You -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- Ricardo Chaves www.rchaves.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] introduction myself to the group
Hi E (E for what?) Thank you again for the information, yes its a nice book, I have it, There are a few nice stories in it. Actually, I know quite a few people from the book, but until now, all the research i managed to make, tells me these Chaves aren't ours. Cheers On Thu, Jul 21, 2011 at 9:46 AM, E Sharp bellema...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Ricardo, I have done some research on the Chaves family from Santa Maria as someone in my family married into this family. There is a book I was able to purchase quite a few years ago and it came from Santa Maria (a friend got it for me) and it is called Um Ramo Dos Chaves by Dr. Pe. Joao Chaves de Bairos. He is/was a priest from Santo Espirto, Santa Maria who wrote a genealogy book about the Chaves family. I don't have the book anymore it as I gave it to this Chaves family. E -- Ricardo Chaves www.rchaves.com -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Port of Departure
Thanks Cheri, I will widen my search and look at Horta and Angra. From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 12:15 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Port of Departure Karen, I think Horta on Faial is the closest port. Either that or Angra on Terceira. Ponta Delgada on Sao Miguel is definitely the furthest port from Sao Jorge island. I would guess the port closest to home would be where an ancestor would leave. But if they had to leave soon, they may have gone to any port to get out the soonest. I've seen a few Sao Jorge people leaving from Sao Miguel, but the vast majority are from Sao Miguel and Santa Maria islands. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] introduction myself to the group
Repost for Ricardo, chaves74 at gmail.com: (8 messages, each individually addressed, so read all the way down. Separated by lines) Message 1: Hi John, thank you a lot for the information, I'm still at the beginning, hopefully I someday I'll ask for your help. Yes its good to be here, have access to the books, but its a lot of work and time consumption doing it, but as I said before, I'm 37 so I have a long way to go. The family name of my Santo Antonio's (Its not Alem Capelas no more ;-)) rib is ROCHA, I managed to go up to my 4th Grandfather's name. Still have to go a lot, if i'm lucky! Take care, and tanx for the feedback. = Message 2: Hi Judi thanks for the feedback, its funny, since I moved to Sao Miguel, I've met a few Chaves, and I always ask the same thing, are yo from Sta. Maria. Some say they don't know ;-). Yes I'm aware of those Chaves in Capelas, I ride my bicycle often into Capelas and I remember seeing a house somewhere with a Vivenda Chaves door plaque. I don't know where the Chaves (and they are very few, I can see it in the phone book list) from Sao Miguel, come from, maybe you are rigth, they are from Sta. Maria.Thank you for reading my blog, my wife's maternal side is Furtado and Arruda and they are from Santana, next to Achada. Pedreira is the last Parish towards NE. Wow, 1460, that's practically when the Islands where unpopulated!. I'm still a beginner, I hope I reach at least 1700. Take care = Message 3: Hi Ricardo, thank you for feedback, I still have a lot to go, my main streams are Chaves and Ponte, I'm dedicating my time to these, but always having an eye on the others! I still don't have much about my Ribeira Grande's side, will let you know more as soon I get it. take care! = Message 4: Hi Jorge, thank you for welcome, My Resendes, as far as I went, is from Ribeira Grande. From Santa Maria I have Chaves, Cabral and Freitas, these are the ones I have notes about it, I'm still at the beginning. Cheers === Message 5: Hi Jacki, that is one of my biggest fears, is to find gaps along the way and have no clues to keep going. I met once a great man, who went up to 1700 on his family, he passed away, and he told me that he gave up because around 1700 he found out the child was from what they use to write down (pai incognito) and that made him stop. I know how hard it can be, up to today I have been lucky, my dearest father, only with 64, has a memory of an elephant and every-time I find something new I get confirmations from him. I keep crossing information from relatives, friends or even people that use to know him or her. Good luck Message 6: Hi Linda, Thank you for the feedback, I live in Sao Miguel, for 17 years now, I am from Sta. Maria. I don't know these relatives of yours, it is very possible that I have crossed with some, but still, in Sao Miguel, there is over 150,000 people, even being an Island is quite big. I'm still not in the TAVARES research, I can tell you my Great Grand Father was Jose Resendes Tavares, maybe we are connected. Could you please mention the Book's name? thank you, take care === Message 7: Hi Sammy, no, as far as I reached, the only name I have is TAVARES but its origins seam to be from Ribeira Grande. Take care === Message 8 (last one): Hi Nancy, hope you are enjoying Pico, I've been there twice, beautiful Island. I already had that feeling in the group, I am quite surprised with the feedback. I hope we connect it would save me a lot of time. My Cabral is from Sao Pedro. Safe trip back home. Take care -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Please
Sam, I don't know why it reads sem impedimento but then goes on below to say it's the 4th degree of consanguinity (3rd cousins by blood). The occupation of the groom's father is the same of the groom. It says he is native and baptized of the referenced freguesia. I think the mother of groom's occupation says occupation governo something. Governs the household, I think, so she's a housewife. I think it says desta for in this freguesia of Santa Barbara. Father of the bride: Campaneo. Farmer or small farmer as you call it. Mother of the bride: occupation governo sua casa, or governs the house (housewife), but maybe if you're a kid and don't behave, maybe she will get in your face! (LOL) Witnesses: Bettencourt is a (small) farmer and married, living in the referenced place of Feteira. The witness, Andrade is also married. I think it says he is the treasurer of the church. Sam, you did extract all the genealogy info. Now, you get to wait for Joao Ventura to put the dispensations online and hope that this one is there. I don't think all 100% of dispensations still exist to this day. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Please
Cheri; Thank you for looking this document over for me.Ricardo said he was unable to enlarge it, did you have the same problem? I used a program I recently downloaded on the recommendation of a list member, sorry I don't remember the person's name but; I do thank her for the recommendation. I thought the program was pretty neat but; if it doesn't allow the recipient of an email to enlarge the attachment, maybe I'll stop using it. Anyway, am I right in thinking that lavrador, campaneo and seareiro all mean farmer or small farmer? I would have guessed that governo sua casa meant housewife but; what I saw was governo sua cara, duh, my mind didn't make the leap! LOL! I have long suspected that my paternal grandparents were to some degree related, though I have no proof as I haven't been able to get my hands on their marriage document yet. Perhaps the tradition was passed down.. Thanks again, Sam From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 10:26 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Please Sam, I don't know why it reads sem impedimento but then goes on below to say it's the 4th degree of consanguinity (3rd cousins by blood). The occupation of the groom's father is the same of the groom. It says he is native and baptized of the referenced freguesia. I think the mother of groom's occupation says occupation governo something. Governs the household, I think, so she's a housewife. I think it says desta for in this freguesia of Santa Barbara. Father of the bride: Campaneo. Farmer or small farmer as you call it. Mother of the bride: occupation governo sua casa, or governs the house (housewife), but maybe if you're a kid and don't behave, maybe she will get in your face! (LOL) Witnesses: Bettencourt is a (small) farmer and married, living in the referenced place of Feteira. The witness, Andrade is also married. I think it says he is the treasurer of the church. Sam, you did extract all the genealogy info. Now, you get to wait for Joao Ventura to put the dispensations online and hope that this one is there. I don't think all 100% of dispensations still exist to this day. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Translation Help Please
Sam, The file was a little small. I aim to save them at 250-300Kb. I was able to enlarge it, but it was a little pixelated. It was sort of dark in spots, though. It seems like the program is doing the trick. Give yourself more time to learn it. Lavrador, campaneo, etc are farmers or day workers. I think that the women of the house being in your face is pretty funny! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Names Names Names
Thanks Cheri! I get confused when people do that. I am not sure if it pertains to me directly when I see my name posting as I am a Karen. I know there is more than one Karen on here! I am Karen Medeiros-Huffman (in case you wondered)! On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 1:01 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Will everyone PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE sign their names to their postings? At least a first name and last initial, like you did as a kid in school. There are now 870 email addresses subscribed to this list. It's beginning to get confusing trying to figure out which John is the John you want! Whole names would be better, but a first name with last initial is a start. You can save this in a signature line in your email program. And if you are a famous person and are afraid that we will ask for your autograph or something, then make up a pseudonym and stick with it! :) (From my end: I get requests to find John who posted about the Furtado line back in 2007 and can I find his contact information? I can't do it without a last name or partial email address. The first name business may be limiting your potential connections in the future, too). Thanks! Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- Hugs and Blessings from Karen (Medeiros) Huffman in Paso Robles, CA USA Searching for Medeiros and Cabral in Sao Miguel, Santos, Silva and Costa in Terceira Acores. Searching for Anderson and Swanson in Sweden and Schaeffer and Schommer in Germany. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
