[AZORES-Genealogy] Descriptive terminology of relationship of Godparent to Child

[Denis Meals]

In baptism records I often find the following circumstance:

Maria, married to Manoel Cunha, and Jacinta, married to Antonio Puim, are
sisters.  Manoel Cunha is listed as Godfather to a child born to Jacinta
and Antonio.


Since women often did not use a surname, the sister-sister relationship is
not apparent, and there seems to be no genealogical connection between
godfather and child.


When I later learn of the sister-sister kinship, I need to include a short
descriptive phrase to later jog my memory, as well as inform others who may
read my information, i.e.

   1. maternal uncle through marriage, 2. uncle through marriage to wife,
   3. brother-in-law to mother of child.


I don’t much like any of my choices and I’m hoping the group will offer
something better.


Another common corollary is Maria married to Manoel Cunha, and Antonio Puim
married to Jacinta, are brother and sister.  In this case Maria is the
Godmother, but it presents the same predicament.

Denis

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Pontiff

[danandmaria]

I have a few in my file that are /Pontifico/ with previous generations being 
Pontifice da Costa 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Pontiff 


What would that name be in Portuguese if its even is?? I am looking for a death 
for a Ernest Pontiff he married Sarah Pereira, I found her death info but not 
his. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Listing childless marriages?

[Cheri Mello]

Tomas,

I put I EVERYONE.




On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:36 AM, rcapodc  wrote:

>   Tomas,
>
> I record EVERY marriage, children or no children. I feel, and teach in my
> classes, that all info is important so record it for the future. If nothing
> else it puts the ancestor in a certain place with a certain person for your
> timeline of events for that person.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>  *From:* Tomas Leal 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:09 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Listing childless marriages?
>
>  Is it correct to list all marriages of an ancestor, even those that
> produced no children?
>
> In building my family tree, I have been showing all marriages, even those
> that ended in divorce or death but without children. Someone recently
> questioned whether it is "correct" to list non-relatives who do not factor
> into genealogy because there were no children. My stand is that whatever
> happened in the family--birth, marriage, death--gets shown.
>
> What do others on this list do?
>
> Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Faria surname

[mcfariar]

Hi Joao (John)
Wow, you started a debate. You are right, except for when the note was 
written on his birth registration. I believe it was recorded in 1919 when 
they married.  No. 87, I believe it is the page number of their marriage 
record. The numbers 11-4-961 must be a reference number, and not a date, as 
to where all the information is collected.  The married couple left for 
America in 1920, and Fred is right about that they only visited the Azores 
once.  I have to thank Cheri, for clarifying the registration process.  I 
guess , we all know what happened in 1910.  Through my research, I found a 
birth registration that the child was baptized and that their religion was 
Presbyterian. 
 I am sorry that I did not save the page, since it was an unusual piece of 
information historically.

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 2:02:29 AM UTC-5, João Ventura wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> No, the clerk probably didn't know him that well (on the other these ARE 
> small villages). What happens with the most recent records is that they 
> were turned over by law from the church to the government. Before 1910, the 
> Catholic church was the de-facto citizen registration office (which you can 
> imagine must have been fun for any non-Catholic). After 1910, all these 
> books are then used to cross check when people marry or die, and you'll 
> find these 'averbamentos' as a side-note. In this case, it's quite 
> interesting because he married in 1919 in the same civil register where the 
> book was stored, but the sidenote clearly shows that the marriage was only 
> noted in this book somewhere in the 1960s. Something must have happened 
> then (probably the husband died, or some child married).
>
> João C. Ventura
>
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10:12 AM UTC+2, mcfa...@rogers.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi Fred,
>> I did know that Jose Maria Faria was mayor of Stonington.  I do not need 
>> their marriage certificate.  I did, however, found his birth registration 
>> in the Azores archives.
>> The clerk must have known him very well, because on the left column of 
>> his birth registration, he writes:  No. 1 married to Maria Augusta de 
>> Andrade of de Andrade Soares, 22 years old, native of Rosario, Lagoa. 
>>  Daughter of Manuel Soares André and of Maria do Santos, (conservetoria ) 
>> register on December 15,1919, etc. No. 87 seems to be a registration number.
>> [image: 0095 [308 KB]]
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P96.html
>> I guess, you can give the information to Stonington's Historical Society, 
>> since he was a previous mayor.  Please note:   paternal grandmother states 
>> - Margarida Julia.
>> On my grandfather's birth registration states Margarida de Jesus da Costa 
>> Castelo.  That means that her full name must be Margarida Julia de Jesus da 
>> Costa Castelo.
>> Through my research, I found through siblings birth registration that 
>> most grandparents name is incomplete, giving first and second names or 
>> first and third names.  By comparing with other documents is how you find 
>> out what is true.   The priest, which I mention before, was not a Faria or 
>> Machado, but carries the surname Muniz, he -I believe is a cousin of the 
>> father's.  My father and his siblings has passed away years ago.  I miss 
>> them.  My uncle, my dad's brother lived on Rua das Furnas after he married, 
>> it is a very, very small house.  I was born in 1960, now you can figure out 
>> how old I am.  You should visit Jose Maria Machado and ask him what he 
>> remembers of the old village, his youth, and all the family members, this 
>> will give you of a more insight into your family.  When I was 14 years old, 
>> I interviewed my grandfather and found out that he was No. 8 of 11 
>> siblings, etc.   Through my research most families had 7 to 20 children in 
>> one family, including twins.  I learned the portuguese language through my 
>> dad and maternal grandparents.  I learned to read portuguese, because the 
>> opportunity was there,  although I have to admit there are some words I do 
>> not understand.  My father talked about Jose Maria Faria, the mayor and his 
>> adventures when he first came to America.  My dad was a good portuguese 
>> story teller and was always honest with me about the family's joys and 
>> sufferings.  
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:18:34 PM UTC-5, Fred Souza wrote:
>>>
>>> Jose Maria Faria came to this country with his wife as they were married 
>>> in the old country.  I believe I have their marriage certificate in my 
>>> mother's paperwork.  When we went to the Azores in 2006, we visited Amelia 
>>> Machado who I think was Bento Machado's daughter.  She still lived on Rua 
>>> DasFurnas in Rosario and her house was across the street from the house 
>>> where the Machado clan was born.  Jose Faria was the mayor of our Borough 
>>> of Stonington from 1950-1962, then lost and then recovered from 1964 

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] P.S. to Listing childless marriags

["E" Sharp]

It's a lot of fun when first cousins marry..luckily, they had no
children.

"E"


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 11:13 AM, Tomas Leal  wrote:

> One more question: What about co-habitating couples who never married?
> Certainly if there are children it makes sense to list both parents,
> perhaps with a notation there was no marriage. But what of an unmarried
> couple with no children?
>
> It would seem that the more information shown, the better for others
> researching the family genealogy.
>
> Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

[rcapodc]

Richard, some City Directories in the East also list the babies born within the 
recorded year. These listings are in the back of the book so if you are looking 
at CD’s from many New England states, check the back of the directory. 

I also had my husband’s grandfather’s listing say that the family had “removed” 
to New York City! It gave me the clue that I needed to exactly pin down the 
year they left Connecticut!

Rosemarie 

From: Richard Francis Pimentel 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 10:33 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

Some city directories made notations when a person died that had been 
previously been listed.

I was able to find my G-grandfathers death date by looking in the Fall River 
City directories. Once I had a date I found the Obit in the newspaper at the 
Fall River Library. They have the newspapers on microfilm. I was also able to 
go to the city hall for a copy of his death certificate.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Leonard Silva
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 7:42 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

 

Unfortunately, the New Bedford Standard Times is not among them.  The New 
Bedford Public Library is happy to help but you must have a specific date to 
search. 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Listing childless marriages?

[rcapodc]

Tomas, 

I record EVERY marriage, children or no children. I feel, and teach in my 
classes, that all info is important so record it for the future. If nothing 
else it puts the ancestor in a certain place with a certain person for your 
timeline of events for that person. 

Rosemarie 

From: Tomas Leal 
Sent: Wednesday, August 21, 2013 11:09 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Listing childless marriages?

Is it correct to list all marriages of an ancestor, even those that produced no 
children?  

In building my family tree, I have been showing all marriages, even those that 
ended in divorce or death but without children. Someone recently questioned 
whether it is "correct" to list non-relatives who do not factor into genealogy 
because there were no children. My stand is that whatever happened in the 
family--birth, marriage, death--gets shown.

What do others on this list do?

Tomás
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Faria surname

[Eliseu Pacheco]

Yes Cheri. You are right about the church records. As two books of the same 
were made this is the answer why the church archives also have books. Of course 
there were issues.

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva


No dia 21/08/2013, às 18:18, Cheri Mello  escreveu:

> Fred S,
> 
> I don't think it was an option in 1910.  When the government needed to 
> establish a vital record department, they took all the church books.  There 
> was no option.  A random book may have been left behind (the earliest baptism 
> book in Bretanha).  But all the books were taken in 1910.  
> 
> For those researching, records that are 100 or more years old are at the 
> respective archive.  For books within the last 100 years, they are at the 
> respecivet Civil Registry.  The books are moved from the Civil Registry to 
> the Archive on years divisible by 5.  They send approximately 5 years worth, 
> depending on space.
> 
> Therefore, since it's 2013, the last books that were sent to the Archives 
> were in 2010 (divisible by 5).  They should have sent books up to about 1910 
> (more or less) and the Civil registry should have books from 1911 to the 
> present.  Then in 2015 (divisible by 5), the Civil Registry should send books 
> from 1911-1915 to the archives (more or less) depending upon space issues.
> 
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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> Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Faria surname

[Cheri Mello]

Fred S,

I don't think it was an option in 1910.  When the government needed to
establish a vital record department, they took all the church books.  There
was no option.  A random book may have been left behind (the earliest
baptism book in Bretanha).  But all the books were taken in 1910.

For those researching, records that are 100 or more years old are at the
respective archive.  For books within the last 100 years, they are at the
respecivet Civil Registry.  The books are moved from the Civil Registry to
the Archive on years divisible by 5.  They send approximately 5 years
worth, depending on space.

Therefore, since it's 2013, the last books that were sent to the Archives
were in 2010 (divisible by 5).  They should have sent books up to about
1910 (more or less) and the Civil registry should have books from 1911 to
the present.  Then in 2015 (divisible by 5), the Civil Registry should send
books from 1911-1915 to the archives (more or less) depending upon space
issues.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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[AZORES-Genealogy] P.S. to Listing childless marriags

[Tomas Leal]

One more question: What about co-habitating couples who never married? 
Certainly if there are children it makes sense to list both parents, 
perhaps with a notation there was no marriage. But what of an unmarried 
couple with no children?

It would seem that the more information shown, the better for others 
researching the family genealogy.

Tomás

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Listing childless marriages?

[Tomas Leal]

Is it correct to list all marriages of an ancestor, even those that 
produced no children? 

In building my family tree, I have been showing all marriages, even those 
that ended in divorce or death but without children. Someone recently 
questioned whether it is "correct" to list non-relatives who do not factor 
into genealogy because there were no children. My stand is that whatever 
happened in the family--birth, marriage, death--gets shown.

What do others on this list do?

Tomás

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Locating Death record

[eric edgar]

Frederick,

Did you see my post here on free newspaper databases?

Ancestry newspapers collection is for a variety of newspapers from all of
the US. I was posting those because they are specific to the area that
Eddie's family is found.

My great grandmother, Mary Josephine Vieira was born 2 Dec 1894 in Swansea.
I don't have a baptism record for her. It may be as Maria Josefa Vieira ,
daughter of Manoel Jacinto Vieira Rodrigues and Maria Josefa Soares.

Her brother Alfred Joseph Vieira was born Swansea in 17 Sep 1892.  I'd
 appreciate a look into their records for these.

I also have never found a record for the parents marriage abt 1890,  Manoel
Jacinto Vieira Rodrigues and Maria Josefa Soares


Eric Edgar


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Frederick Souza wrote:

> would these newspaper records only be from California?  BTW, if your
> Portuguese  relatives were born in Fall River and baptized in Santo Cristo
> Church, they are very good with those records.  I think, the other main
> Catholic Church which would have been primarily Portuguese may have had a
> fire that damaged or lost a great deal of info.
>
> On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Eddie Machado wrote:
>
> Of course the other date I'd love to search are not in there! Anyone know
> where to find Newspapers from 1928?
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:24:44 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
>>
>> its free the CDNC!! No they don't charge just email them, I have never
>> had to pay anything.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Eddie Machado wrote:
>>
>>> That is awesome! Thank you sooo much! I'll have to look into joining
>>> CDNC!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:10:12 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
>>>
 Eddie,

 Here's the obit Found at the California Digital  Newspaper Collection
 http://cdnc.ucr.**edu**/cgi-bin/cdnc 

 It's a great resource. This should get you going.


 Eric Edgar


 On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Eddie Machado wrote:

> Hi Eric,
>
> I stumbled across that around 1 today. I posted about it. The
> interesting part is that she doesn't appear at all under Barba or Borba in
> the 1910 Census, nor can I find her 2nd husband Manuel Borba or Barba.
>
> -Eddie
>
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:42:34 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
>
>> Eddie,
>>
>> The California death index lists her as
>>
>>  Maria A Barba, 69 years old died 19 Jan 1913 in San Mateo County.
>>
>>  She doesn't appear in the 1910 census in the area under that name
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Eddie Machado 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>> I am stumped trying to find the death record for my 2x Great
>>> Grandmother Maria A. Borba. She is from São Jorge she was originally
>>> married to João d'Azevedo Machado, who died on the island. Maria 
>>> immigrated
>>> to the United States maybe around 1884 through Massachusetts with a
>>> daughter ( I think Marianno or Marianna) and one of her son's Francisco
>>> d'Azevedo Machado (Changed to Frank A. Machado once in the states. Their
>>> immigration is based on a book, but no official documents. She married
>>> Manuel Borba, again this is according to a book. She died in 1913 
>>> according
>>> to her headstone and is buried in Holy Cross in Culmo, CA. Her maiden 
>>> name
>>> prior to her first marriage was Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus she 
>>> was
>>> born in about 1844. I am trying to any record to fill in the gap I have
>>> from the death of her 1st husband to her death. I was hoping to follow
>>> things backward to her marriage to her 2nd husband and see what name she
>>> was going by when she got married. Which hopefully would lead me to
>>> immigration records.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Eddie Machado
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] José Tomás Dias from Ponta Delgada, Flores in the the US (California, Nevada)

[eric edgar]

Joao,

After looking at your link I realize why I have Jose Thomas in the files. I
worked on a project for descendants of Jose Lourenco Dias and Policena
Candida. Their grandson Jose Lourenco Vieira immigrated here to California

in 1967. I was filling in some holes in their tree for his wife and their
sons. The common relatives I share with the Lourenco Dias tree  Manuel
Coelho Rodrigues and Joana Freitas who married in Nov 1749. My line
descends from their son,

alfreres Jose Coelho Rodrigues b.1754 and the Lourenco Vieira descend from
their son Francisco Antonio Rodrigues b. bef 1818.

The Noia name came into my family through a female line, Isabel Maria
 daughter of  Domingo Antono Noia and Maria de Annunciada married Antonio
Coelho Rodrigues in 1821. Their son Domingo Antonio Noia b. 1829

was the only son to take the Noia name. This is my first immigrant
ancestor. Domingo and his brother , Jose Coelho Rodrigues both came to
California during the gold rush. They both returned to Flores, and Domingos
son Manuel

came back to start our line here.

You can contact me privately for details


Eric Edgar




On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:05 AM, João Ventura  wrote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> Thanks for your invaluable help. I'll try to see if his daughter can look
> at some of the information you provided and maybe remember some facts that
> can help sort out the records. I was only looking for Jose(ph) Dias, but
> indeed looking at Joseph Thomas might be the way to go. I believe that on
> the second time, he did get a passport so I'll probably have to look at
> that over in S. Miguel. I have some pictures of him and another friend of
> him while he was in Nevada. I'll try to scan it and post it here.
>
> Eric, yes I'd be sure you'd have him in your records :) I probably have
> some pictures from your side of the family as well. I think the Nóias and
> this family were quite close. His oldest daugther married José Lourenço
> Nóia, and even though the only Nóia ancestor seems to be Belchior Gomes
> Nóia, I've seen that many of the extended family did marry with the Nóia
> family.
>
> I forgot to add the link to my record for José in my original post:
> http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49&ged=venturas
>
> And his family:
> http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F18&ged=venturas (some
> details are private, as D. Policena, his third daugther is still alive and
> kicking).
>
> João C. Ventura
>
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:29:00 PM UTC+2, luiznoia wrote:
>
>> Joao,
>>
>> I have him in my files. He was baptized on 3 Oct 1877, son of Jose Thomas
>> Ramos and Anna Clara , Paternos are: Thomas Jose Ramos and Joanna
>> Francisca, maternos: Antonio Narciso and Maria Clara.
>>
>> The margin note on his baptism shows the death date at 16 Apr 1959.
>>
>> You'll find Joe Thomas on the census here at line 37, a shepard. They are
>> at Island Mountain , Elko, Nevada.
>>
>> On the shiplist for the Peninsular 15 Sep 1898, from Flores to New York,
>> you'll see 2 Jose Thomas, ages 19 and 20 ,  and a Francisco Thomas.
>>
>> One Joseph Thomas says he is joining an uncle Pedro Thomas in
>> Massachucets, The other Joseph Thomas says San Francisco
>>
>>
>>  Francisco is headed to Mason Valley, Nevada. That's in Lyon county, 50
>> miles from Reno. He is joining an uncle Frank Martin. On the census is a
>> Frank M Freitas,
>>
>> Sheep would have been herded from the summer in high mountains ( around
>> Lyon county) to winter in low desert to avoid heavy snow ( like Elko)
>>
>>
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM, João Ventura  wrote:
>>
>>> Hello group,
>>>
>>> I don't usually post requests for help, but I think this is the right
>>> place to ask this one before wasting time.
>>>
>>> I'm looking for the American trail of my wife's great-grandfather, José
>>> Tomás Dias. He was born on October 1st, 1877 and died on April 16th, 1959
>>> both events in Ponta Delgada, Flores.
>>>
>>> I've got information from his oldest daughter (still living) that goes
>>> like this:
>>>
>>> - With 21 years (1898) he sailed on the "Peninsular" from Santa Cruz,
>>> Flores to California. He was a sheepherder in Nevada. After 12 years
>>> (~1910), he returned to Flores.
>>> (facts) On January 27th, 1912 he married in Ponta Delgada, and his first
>>> daughter Maria Lourenço Dias was born on March 27th, 1913.
>>> - After 1 year and 3 months after his marriage (April 1913), he sailed
>>> from São Miguel back to the US where he stayed 6-8 years (1919/1921). He
>>> never returned to the US.
>>> (facts) His second daughter was born on August 14th, 1923.
>>>
>>> He probably stayed/went with friends, so there might be others on this
>>> list that have knowledge of this US periods from José. Also, where could I
>>> find information on this 'Peninsular' boat, and the destination ports? I've
>>> seen Doug Holmes' 
>>> http://www.dholmes.**com/ships.html page
>>> and noticed that i

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Pontiff

[eric edgar]

Pam,

I'd guess it may have been Pontes.

Eric Edgar


On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> What would that name be in Portuguese if its even is?? I am looking for a
> death for a Ernest Pontiff he married Sarah Pereira, I found her death info
> but  not his.
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

Some city directories made notations when a person died that had been
previously been listed.

I was able to find my G-grandfathers death date by looking in the Fall River
City directories. Once I had a date I found the Obit in the newspaper at the
Fall River Library. They have the newspapers on microfilm. I was also able
to go to the city hall for a copy of his death certificate.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

 

 

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

 

Unfortunately, the New Bedford Standard Times is not among them.  The New
Bedford Public Library is happy to help but you must have a specific date to
search. 



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help Locating Death record

[Frederick Souza]

would these newspaper records only be from California?  BTW, if your Portuguese 
 relatives were born in Fall River and baptized in Santo Cristo Church, they 
are very good with those records.  I think, the other main Catholic Church 
which would have been primarily Portuguese may have had a fire that damaged or 
lost a great deal of info.

On Aug 20, 2013, at 9:31 PM, Eddie Machado wrote:

> Of course the other date I'd love to search are not in there! Anyone know 
> where to find Newspapers from 1928?
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 8:24:44 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
> its free the CDNC!! No they don't charge just email them, I have never had to 
> pay anything.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 4:53 PM, Eddie Machado  wrote:
> That is awesome! Thank you sooo much! I'll have to look into joining CDNC!
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 6:10:12 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
> Eddie, 
> 
> Here's the obit Found at the California Digital  Newspaper Collection 
> http://cdnc.ucr.edu/cgi-bin/cdnc
> 
> It's a great resource. This should get you going.
> 
> 
> Eric Edgar
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:58 PM, Eddie Machado  wrote:
> Hi Eric,
> 
> I stumbled across that around 1 today. I posted about it. The interesting 
> part is that she doesn't appear at all under Barba or Borba in the 1910 
> Census, nor can I find her 2nd husband Manuel Borba or Barba.
> 
> -Eddie
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 5:42:34 PM UTC-4, luiznoia wrote:
> Eddie, 
> 
> The California death index lists her as
> 
>  Maria A Barba, 69 years old died 19 Jan 1913 in San Mateo County. 
> 
>  She doesn't appear in the 1910 census in the area under that name
> 
> 
> Eric Edgar
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 6:32 AM, Eddie Machado  wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
> 
> I am stumped trying to find the death record for my 2x Great Grandmother 
> Maria A. Borba. She is from São Jorge she was originally married to João 
> d'Azevedo Machado, who died on the island. Maria immigrated to the United 
> States maybe around 1884 through Massachusetts with a daughter ( I think 
> Marianno or Marianna) and one of her son's Francisco d'Azevedo Machado 
> (Changed to Frank A. Machado once in the states. Their immigration is based 
> on a book, but no official documents. She married Manuel Borba, again this is 
> according to a book. She died in 1913 according to her headstone and is 
> buried in Holy Cross in Culmo, CA. Her maiden name prior to her first 
> marriage was Maria Augusta do Coracao de Jesus she was born in about 1844. I 
> am trying to any record to fill in the gap I have from the death of her 1st 
> husband to her death. I was hoping to follow things backward to her marriage 
> to her 2nd husband and see what name she was going by when she got married. 
> Which hopefully would lead me to immigration records.
> 
> Thanks,
> Eddie Machado
> 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Faria surname

[Frederick Souza]

My guess is that the recording happened after his death because the 
certification all had to be probated here.  They made a trip to the Azores in 
the early 50's which the first and last time they ever went back.  As for the 
recording, Lagoa seems to be one of the few towns that kept its own records 
instead of sending them to the central repository in Ponta Delgada.  I know 
that six years ago when I went there, I was told that the Lagoa records weren't 
there, so it has been very helpful now that they are.  It is also very likely 
that because the three Church communities in Lagoa were better able to handle 
"local' info than a bigger and busier clerical office would have.

I located John Machado's records (his mother was a Faria), and am still reading 
through things to find my grandmother's, his wife.  I know there were issues 
with her baptism, so it may not be recorded in what looks like chronological 
order since having tried that, I haven't found it yet--ironic that the only one 
who I knew well since she raised me and lived with us until her death in 1980 
is the one I can't find--I so wish she were around to fill me in on the stories 
and connections.

Thanks for the info, Fred
On Aug 21, 2013, at 3:02 AM, João Ventura wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> No, the clerk probably didn't know him that well (on the other these ARE 
> small villages). What happens with the most recent records is that they were 
> turned over by law from the church to the government. Before 1910, the 
> Catholic church was the de-facto citizen registration office (which you can 
> imagine must have been fun for any non-Catholic). After 1910, all these books 
> are then used to cross check when people marry or die, and you'll find these 
> 'averbamentos' as a side-note. In this case, it's quite interesting because 
> he married in 1919 in the same civil register where the book was stored, but 
> the sidenote clearly shows that the marriage was only noted in this book 
> somewhere in the 1960s. Something must have happened then (probably the 
> husband died, or some child married).
> 
> João C. Ventura
> 
> On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10:12 AM UTC+2, mcfa...@rogers.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Fred,
> I did know that Jose Maria Faria was mayor of Stonington.  I do not need 
> their marriage certificate.  I did, however, found his birth registration in 
> the Azores archives.
> The clerk must have known him very well, because on the left column of his 
> birth registration, he writes:  No. 1 married to Maria Augusta de Andrade of 
> de Andrade Soares, 22 years old, native of Rosario, Lagoa.  Daughter of 
> Manuel Soares André and of Maria do Santos, (conservetoria ) register on 
> December 15,1919, etc. No. 87 seems to be a registration number.
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P96.html
> I guess, you can give the information to Stonington's Historical Society, 
> since he was a previous mayor.  Please note:   paternal grandmother states - 
> Margarida Julia.
> On my grandfather's birth registration states Margarida de Jesus da Costa 
> Castelo.  That means that her full name must be Margarida Julia de Jesus da 
> Costa Castelo.
> Through my research, I found through siblings birth registration that most 
> grandparents name is incomplete, giving first and second names or first and 
> third names.  By comparing with other documents is how you find out what is 
> true.   The priest, which I mention before, was not a Faria or Machado, but 
> carries the surname Muniz, he -I believe is a cousin of the father's.  My 
> father and his siblings has passed away years ago.  I miss them.  My uncle, 
> my dad's brother lived on Rua das Furnas after he married, it is a very, very 
> small house.  I was born in 1960, now you can figure out how old I am.  You 
> should visit Jose Maria Machado and ask him what he remembers of the old 
> village, his youth, and all the family members, this will give you of a more 
> insight into your family.  When I was 14 years old, I interviewed my 
> grandfather and found out that he was No. 8 of 11 siblings, etc.   Through my 
> research most families had 7 to 20 children in one family, including twins.  
> I learned the portuguese language through my dad and maternal grandparents.  
> I learned to read portuguese, because the opportunity was there,  although I 
> have to admit there are some words I do not understand.  My father talked 
> about Jose Maria Faria, the mayor and his adventures when he first came to 
> America.  My dad was a good portuguese story teller and was always honest 
> with me about the family's joys and sufferings.  
> 
> 
> 
> On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:18:34 PM UTC-5, Fred Souza wrote:
> Jose Maria Faria came to this country with his wife as they were married in 
> the old country.  I believe I have their marriage certificate in my mother's 
> paperwork.  When we went to the Azores in 2006, we visited Amelia Mac

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Newspaper search sites -free and useful

[Leonard Silva]

Unfortunately, the New Bedford Standard Times is not among them.  The New 
Bedford Public Library is happy to help but you must have a specific date 
to search. 


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives

[Isabella Baltar]

Nancy,
 
I just update my blog and I have links for researching on Madeira Archives 
besides other useful links to Portugal and Azores. My blog is 
 
myportuguesegen.blogspot.com
 
and the link to Madeira Archives:
 
http://myportuguesegen.blogspot.com/p/researching-in-madeira-islands.html
 
Isabella Baltar
 
 
 
 

On Friday, August 16, 2013 2:28:16 PM UTC-4, nan wrote:

> I need to start using the Madeira genealogy group website for this side of 
> the family, when I get it.  Several generations back are only from Canhas. 
> I don't think any of the names you mentioned are relatives.  I do have de 
> Silva and de Jesus but only from Canhas.   Thank You for answering.  Nancy 
> H. 
>
>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 7:24 PM
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
>  
> Hi Nancy,
>  
> Dionisia de Jesus came in March 1912 to Boston, maybe thru New York-- her 
> Husband Joao da Silva do Pomar Junior had just died within the year.  She 
> brought her 3 sons Manuel (12 yrs old), Agostinho (9 yrs old--my wife's 
> grandfather), Domingos (6 anos), Alfredo was left for 3 to 4 years in 
> Madeira.  They settled in Taunton Mass where the family stayed until the 
> 1980's.
>  
> Joao da Silva do Pomar, I think was born 25 Sep 1862, Arco da Calheta, 
> Madeira parents were Maria de Jesus and Antonio da Silva das Fontas.  As 
> you can see I have many holes and unverified information.  I hope this 
> helps.
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> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 15, 2013 11:45 AM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
>  
> I have documents also. Is Joao Pitta your wife's  relative?  Pitta came to 
> USA in July 1910 with one of my relatives,  Manuel Gomes from Canhas.  I've 
> been trying to see if I can get a picture - maybe from his passport, but 
> Archives said they couldn't help.  Nancy H.  
>  
>  
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> *From:* eric edgar >
> *To:* Azores Genealogy > 
> *Sent:* Wednesday, August 14, 2013 10:50 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
>
>
> No problems with the Archives site.Right in
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:48 PM, eric edgar 
> > 
> wrote:
> Nancy , 
>  
> My wife's family is from there. Rodrigues Lobo and Pitta, the other side 
> Abreu  dos Santos is from next door in Ponta do Sol. 
>  
> I have a lot of documents. Who you looking for?
>  
> Eric Edgar
>  
>  
>  
> On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Nancy Hoopes 
> > 
> wrote:
> I'm working on village of Canhas, (Levada de Magdalena), Nossa Senhora da 
> Piedade,  Ponta do Sol, Madeira.  Any of your relatives from that village? 
> Many surnames. Still can't get through to Archives website.  Nancy H. 
>  
>  
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> *To:* "azo...@googlegroups.com " 
> > 
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:27 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
>  
> I am having trouble for now as well...
>  
> On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM, Will Clinton <
> wi...@americanfamilyfundinggroup.com > wrote:
> Nancy,
>  
> I was able to log on BUT it did take two try's--I assume you are working 
> on Madeira!  What's the name and what is the parish?  Maybe we can work 
> together -:)
>  
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> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Hoopes
> *Sent:* Monday, July 29, 2013 3:40 PM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
>  
>  The website for Arquivo Madeira keeps telling me there is a problem 
> loading the page (is taking too long to respond).  Has anyone else had the 
> problem? Thank you. Nancy H.
>  
>  
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> *From:* Cheri Mello >
> *To:* Azores Genealogy > 
> *Sent:* Friday, June 28, 2013 7:53 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Madeira Archives
>  
> Nancy H,
>
> It's here (and in English too!): http://goo.gl/t027G
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] José Tomás Dias from Ponta Delgada, Flores in the the US (California, Nevada)

[João Ventura]

Hello everyone,

Thanks for your invaluable help. I'll try to see if his daughter can look 
at some of the information you provided and maybe remember some facts that 
can help sort out the records. I was only looking for Jose(ph) Dias, but 
indeed looking at Joseph Thomas might be the way to go. I believe that on 
the second time, he did get a passport so I'll probably have to look at 
that over in S. Miguel. I have some pictures of him and another friend of 
him while he was in Nevada. I'll try to scan it and post it here.

Eric, yes I'd be sure you'd have him in your records :) I probably have 
some pictures from your side of the family as well. I think the Nóias and 
this family were quite close. His oldest daugther married José Lourenço 
Nóia, and even though the only Nóia ancestor seems to be Belchior Gomes 
Nóia, I've seen that many of the extended family did marry with the Nóia 
family.

I forgot to add the link to my record for José in my original post: 
http://venturas.org/familytree/individual.php?pid=I49&ged=venturas

And his family: 
http://venturas.org/familytree/family.php?famid=F18&ged=venturas (some 
details are private, as D. Policena, his third daugther is still alive and 
kicking).

João C. Ventura

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:29:00 PM UTC+2, luiznoia wrote:
>
> Joao, 
>
> I have him in my files. He was baptized on 3 Oct 1877, son of Jose Thomas 
> Ramos and Anna Clara , Paternos are: Thomas Jose Ramos and Joanna 
> Francisca, maternos: Antonio Narciso and Maria Clara.
>
> The margin note on his baptism shows the death date at 16 Apr 1959. 
>
> You'll find Joe Thomas on the census here at line 37, a shepard. They are 
> at Island Mountain , Elko, Nevada.
>
> On the shiplist for the Peninsular 15 Sep 1898, from Flores to New York, 
> you'll see 2 Jose Thomas, ages 19 and 20 ,  and a Francisco Thomas.
>
> One Joseph Thomas says he is joining an uncle Pedro Thomas in 
> Massachucets, The other Joseph Thomas says San Francisco
>
>
>  Francisco is headed to Mason Valley, Nevada. That's in Lyon county, 50 
> miles from Reno. He is joining an uncle Frank Martin. On the census is a 
> Frank M Freitas, 
>
> Sheep would have been herded from the summer in high mountains ( around 
> Lyon county) to winter in low desert to avoid heavy snow ( like Elko)
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 20, 2013 at 2:55 AM, João Ventura 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello group,
>>
>> I don't usually post requests for help, but I think this is the right 
>> place to ask this one before wasting time.
>>
>> I'm looking for the American trail of my wife's great-grandfather, José 
>> Tomás Dias. He was born on October 1st, 1877 and died on April 16th, 1959 
>> both events in Ponta Delgada, Flores.
>>
>> I've got information from his oldest daughter (still living) that goes 
>> like this:
>>
>> - With 21 years (1898) he sailed on the "Peninsular" from Santa Cruz, 
>> Flores to California. He was a sheepherder in Nevada. After 12 years 
>> (~1910), he returned to Flores.
>> (facts) On January 27th, 1912 he married in Ponta Delgada, and his first 
>> daughter Maria Lourenço Dias was born on March 27th, 1913.
>> - After 1 year and 3 months after his marriage (April 1913), he sailed 
>> from São Miguel back to the US where he stayed 6-8 years (1919/1921). He 
>> never returned to the US.
>> (facts) His second daughter was born on August 14th, 1923.
>>
>> He probably stayed/went with friends, so there might be others on this 
>> list that have knowledge of this US periods from José. Also, where could I 
>> find information on this 'Peninsular' boat, and the destination ports? I've 
>> seen Doug Holmes' http://www.dholmes.com/ships.html page and noticed 
>> that it has some passenger records for the Peninsular all going to Ellis 
>> Island. However, a search in the Ellis Island database apparently didn't 
>> turn up any conclusive match.
>>
>> Also, would the US Census for Nevada pick up a sheepherder?
>>
>> Thanks for any info,
>>
>> João C. Ventura
>> (not the one living in the Azores)
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Surname Pontiff

[Pam Santos]

What would that name be in Portuguese if its even is?? I am looking for a
death for a Ernest Pontiff he married Sarah Pereira, I found her death info
but  not his.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Faria surname

[João Ventura]

Hi,

No, the clerk probably didn't know him that well (on the other these ARE 
small villages). What happens with the most recent records is that they 
were turned over by law from the church to the government. Before 1910, the 
Catholic church was the de-facto citizen registration office (which you can 
imagine must have been fun for any non-Catholic). After 1910, all these 
books are then used to cross check when people marry or die, and you'll 
find these 'averbamentos' as a side-note. In this case, it's quite 
interesting because he married in 1919 in the same civil register where the 
book was stored, but the sidenote clearly shows that the marriage was only 
noted in this book somewhere in the 1960s. Something must have happened 
then (probably the husband died, or some child married).

João C. Ventura

On Wednesday, August 21, 2013 1:10:12 AM UTC+2, mcfa...@rogers.com wrote:
>
>
> Hi Fred,
> I did know that Jose Maria Faria was mayor of Stonington.  I do not need 
> their marriage certificate.  I did, however, found his birth registration 
> in the Azores archives.
> The clerk must have known him very well, because on the left column of his 
> birth registration, he writes:  No. 1 married to Maria Augusta de Andrade 
> of de Andrade Soares, 22 years old, native of Rosario, Lagoa.  Daughter of 
> Manuel Soares André and of Maria do Santos, (conservetoria ) register on 
> December 15,1919, etc. No. 87 seems to be a registration number.
> [image: 0095 [308 KB]]
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899/SMG-LG-ROSARIO-B-1897-1899_item1/P96.html
> I guess, you can give the information to Stonington's Historical Society, 
> since he was a previous mayor.  Please note:   paternal grandmother states 
> - Margarida Julia.
> On my grandfather's birth registration states Margarida de Jesus da Costa 
> Castelo.  That means that her full name must be Margarida Julia de Jesus da 
> Costa Castelo.
> Through my research, I found through siblings birth registration that most 
> grandparents name is incomplete, giving first and second names or first and 
> third names.  By comparing with other documents is how you find out what is 
> true.   The priest, which I mention before, was not a Faria or Machado, but 
> carries the surname Muniz, he -I believe is a cousin of the father's.  My 
> father and his siblings has passed away years ago.  I miss them.  My uncle, 
> my dad's brother lived on Rua das Furnas after he married, it is a very, 
> very small house.  I was born in 1960, now you can figure out how old I am. 
>  You should visit Jose Maria Machado and ask him what he remembers of the 
> old village, his youth, and all the family members, this will give you of a 
> more insight into your family.  When I was 14 years old, I interviewed my 
> grandfather and found out that he was No. 8 of 11 siblings, etc.   Through 
> my research most families had 7 to 20 children in one family, including 
> twins.  I learned the portuguese language through my dad and maternal 
> grandparents.  I learned to read portuguese, because the opportunity was 
> there,  although I have to admit there are some words I do not understand. 
>  My father talked about Jose Maria Faria, the mayor and his adventures when 
> he first came to America.  My dad was a good portuguese story teller and 
> was always honest with me about the family's joys and sufferings.  
>
>
>
> On Monday, August 19, 2013 11:18:34 PM UTC-5, Fred Souza wrote:
>>
>> Jose Maria Faria came to this country with his wife as they were married 
>> in the old country.  I believe I have their marriage certificate in my 
>> mother's paperwork.  When we went to the Azores in 2006, we visited Amelia 
>> Machado who I think was Bento Machado's daughter.  She still lived on Rua 
>> DasFurnas in Rosario and her house was across the street from the house 
>> where the Machado clan was born.  Jose Faria was the mayor of our Borough 
>> of Stonington from 1950-1962, then lost and then recovered from 1964 to 
>> what should have been 1966, but he died on the way to a Borough meeting.
>>
>> How old are you--I am the oldest grandson of Joao Faria Machado (my 
>> brother is almost 7 years younger, and there were 4 miscarriages 
>> interspersed in there-one before me, two between me and my brother and one 
>> after him).  I was born in 1948 and will turn 65 at Christmastime-we didn't 
>> speak English at home so I grew up bi-lingual, and the community was very 
>>  much ethnic in our part of town.  By the time my brother came along things 
>> were changing and my grandfather died 6 months after he was born, so the 
>> Portuguese was still spoken at home, but not as universally, so he can only 
>> speak a bit of it, understands a lot of it, and can't read a single word. 
>>  Note-my mother's middle name was Margarida after her grandmother.
>>
>> I don't know anything about a priest or a cousin in Providence, but I 
>> know there was a niece who lived (ma