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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

2014-03-28 Thread Joseph Costa

Thank you, Cheri!

On Mar 28, 2014, at 8:07 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> From Insulana, book LVIII, 2001, page 220 (This book has a typed index of 
> Ribeira Quente marriages).
> 
> 15 Dec 1856
> Groom: Francisco Furtado, son of Manoel Furtado Pechejo (?) and his wife 
> Ursula da Estrella 
> Bride: Maria Jacintha, daughter of Francisco de Arruda (dead) and Jacintha de 
> Jesus.
> 
> Here's the image from the CCA:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_item1/P78.html
> 
> That Pechejo must be some kind of alcunha (nickname).
> 
> I've got those surnames in Ribeira Quente (RQ), but not as direct 
> descendants.  You'll probably tie into one of my lines in 1-2 more 
> generations.  
> 
> Cheri Mello
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Joseph Costa  wrote:
> Hi all.  I'm looking to see if anyone has any information on my great 
> grandmother's ancestry.  
> 
> Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira 
> Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 1889, 
> Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose's ancestry.  I'm just looking for Julia's).  
> Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Margaret Vicente

I back your pardon, it is Mosteiros.

My core family is from S. Jose and other nearby towns and I find
interesting that one of the witness was Jacinto Jose, same name as my 5th
ggfather who had a daughter also named Luisa.

You also mentioned a passport.  Was it a PT passport? Aand if yes what was
the date of issuance?  You might be able to trace it to the online passport
records.

Margaret


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 9:30 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Really!  Wow that is good to know.  Thanks Margaret.  I thought I read
> that as Mosteiros-(it's Feteiras?).  the link you sent was the one I think
> is the right one, not the first one I posted where the baptism was the 15th
> of February and the woman who raised her had the "de Jesus"  as part of her
> middle name.  I was jumping to conclusions but that baptism was in Sao
> Sebastao and it bugged me that all the ceremonies in Luiza's life were done
> in Sao Jose.
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Margaret Vicente 
> wrote:
>
> Maria,
>
> There's a window into Luisa's past through the people who raised her. Were
> you to research the couple in Feteiras you may get new insights into her
> life.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente <
> margaretvice...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I would think your husband might be a better choice since you're
>> investigating the maternal DNA, MtDNA, however I will defer the proper
>> answer to Cheri or anyone else in the group that might wish to chime in.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Maria Lima wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you so much for that information.
>>>
>>> My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma
>>> Georgina had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother,
>>> deceased.  The son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years
>>> older than my husband, would it help to get HIS DNA?
>>>
>>> If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant
>>> on this DNA thing:(
>>> Can u advise?  Thank you
>>>
>>>
>>> Maria Elena
>>>
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
>>>
>>> One more thing to point out.
>>> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find
>>> the oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will
>>> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of
>>> her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>>>
>>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>> Sacramento, California
>>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>>> 916-550-1618
>>> www.dholmes.com
>>>
>>>
>>>   Original Message 
>>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
>>> From: 
>>> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>>
>>> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if
>>> these daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the
>>> mt-DNA test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can
>>> find that one maternal line.
>>> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has
>>> pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are
>>> getting from her unknown parents.
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Maria Elena,

Yeah, math teacher.  With over 1200 readers, some experienced and know what
you meant and some are brand new to genealogy, well, I just don't want
people to take things as the gospel truth.

The information you provided is your husband's strict maternal line.  All
women all the way back to the woman in question.

2 strategies for this line.
1) mtDNA testing.  This focuses on this one line ONLY.  HOWEVER, unless
there happens to be a rare mutation, the results are generally
anthropological in nature.  By that, I mean you get a lot of the "out of
Africa" theory.  I made an post earlier today about mtDNA testing in
regards to the current sale.

2) Autosomal DNA (Family Finder) testing.  This focuses on ALL of your
husband's lines going back about 200 years from his birth.  If you have
most of his lines documented except this Luzia de Jesus Correia line, then
this test will work for you.  If your husband's mother or grandmother is
alive, it would be better to test the oldest one (test grandma if she is
alive.  If not, test mom if she is alive.  If not, test hubby).

You can do both.  You can order the mtDNA with this current sale (but don't
hope for a genealogy match) and wait for the Sizzling Summer Sale around
June/July.  Family Finder won't be on sale (price is $99 USD + postage),
but the last 2 sales they have offered a $100 gift card to
www.Restaurant.com (good for U.S. restaurants - smaller mom-and-pop types,
not big chain restaurants) with the purchase of a Family Finder test.
Cheri Mello
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Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Maria Lima

Thank you Cheri .   I hope I'm answering what you want:  

My husband is Paul Edwin Lima
Parents were:
Maria Luiza Machado X Fortunato Roosevelt Lima

Maria Luiza Machado:  parents
Maria Georgina Almeida X Domingos Moniz Machado

Maria Georgina's parents:
Luiza de Jesus Coreira X Luiz Medeiros De Almeida ( I have not seen the 
Medeiros name at all in Luiz lineage;  I've just seen  De Almeida in all the 
records.  I got that Medeiros name from my husband's mother but nothing to back 
it up and I was thinking of leaving it out when I enter him in familysearch 
because I have no Source. 

I'm sorry I wasn't more exact when I misquoted you. I should have said many 
expostos used their baptismal dates for birthdates.  I didn't think it was a 
hard and fast rule, but then, I had not really considered  it before because 
this is the first one I've found with Pais incognito.   So thank you for 
catching that .  (You must be a math teacher?).  I appreciate all the work you 
do and apologize for getting sloppy and generalizing.  


Maria Elena 

> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:45 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> 
> Maria Elena,
> 
> Give me the names of the lineage.
> 
> Hubby -> Maria Georgina -> Luiza Correia -> pais incognitos.
> 
> I want to be sure I've got this right before giving you the strategies.
> Cheri Mello
> Azores DNA
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> Thank you so much for that information.
>> 
>> My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma 
>> Georgina had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother, 
>> deceased.  The son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years older 
>> than my husband, would it help to get HIS DNA?  
>> 
>> If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant on 
>> this DNA thing:(
>> Can u advise?  Thank you
>> 
>> 
>> Maria Elena 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
>>> 
>>> One more thing to point out.
>>> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the 
>>> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will 
>>> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of 
>>> her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>>> 
>>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>>> Sacramento, California
>>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>>> 916-550-1618
>>> www.dholmes.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  Original Message 
>>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
>>> From: 
>>> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
>>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>> 
>>> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these 
>>> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA 
>>> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find 
>>> that one maternal line.
>>> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has 
>>> pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are 
>>> getting from her unknown parents.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Maria Lima

Really!  Wow that is good to know.  Thanks Margaret.  I thought I read that as 
Mosteiros-(it's Feteiras?).  the link you sent was the one I think is the right 
one, not the first one I posted where the baptism was the 15th of February and 
the woman who raised her had the "de Jesus"  as part of her middle name.  I was 
jumping to conclusions but that baptism was in Sao Sebastao and it bugged me 
that all the ceremonies in Luiza's life were done in Sao Jose.  

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 28, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Maria, 
> 
> There's a window into Luisa's past through the people who raised her. Were 
> you to research the couple in Feteiras you may get new insights into her 
> life.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente 
>>  wrote:
>> I would think your husband might be a better choice since you're 
>> investigating the maternal DNA, MtDNA, however I will defer the proper 
>> answer to Cheri or anyone else in the group that might wish to chime in.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:
>> 
>>> Thank you so much for that information.
>>> 
>>> My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma 
>>> Georgina had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother, 
>>> deceased.  The son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years 
>>> older than my husband, would it help to get HIS DNA?  
>>> 
>>> If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant on 
>>> this DNA thing:(
>>> Can u advise?  Thank you
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Maria Elena 
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
 
 One more thing to point out.
 The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the 
 oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will 
 eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of 
 her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
 
 Doug da Rocha Holmes
 Sacramento, California
 Pico & Terceira Genealogist
 916-550-1618
 www.dholmes.com
 
 
  Original Message 
 Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
 From: 
 Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
 To: azores@googlegroups.com
 
 One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these 
 daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA 
 test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find 
 that one maternal line.
 Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has 
 pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are 
 getting from her unknown parents.
  
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Salt Lake City Genealogy Conference, Registration Deadline coming up on April 1st!

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

I need to know by Tuesday who is coming (and that you've put the
registration in the mail).  Here's the original announcement for those new
to the list or who missed the previous announcements.

Our genealogy and research trip to Salt Lake City on April 15-18, 2014, is
quickly approaching!

I need a couple of weeks to work on things, so I've set the registration
deadline as April 1st (and for those dropping it in the mail on Apr 1st, I
won't get it for a few days).

For those thinking of attending, you can read more about the conference
from the Azores GenWeb page here:
goo.gl/E9FHvV

We will be able to help Madeirans, Cape Verdeans, and the continent too!

You can still book a room at the Plaza Hotel.  Rooms are available, they
just are not holding them for us.  Call the hotel and tell them you are
with the Azores group.  If that doesn't work, tell them you want the
genealogy special. (It's the same as our deal - stay 3 nights get one
free).  Also email me off list to let me know you've booked a room so I can
be sure they put you in our block!

We have people coming from Canada, Australia, and Joao Ventura coming from
Terceira!

Looking forward to meeting many of you soon!
 Cheri, Rosemarie, and João

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread pico

Maybe the reason expostos used the baptism date as the birth is that when abandoned, it would be no more than a day before they were baptized. If abandoned in the dark or after midnight, the following morning they would be baptized.Of course, if the baby was kept for a few days before abandonment, that will throw off the birth vs. baptism date. Sometimes they say how old the baby looked. I guess they could tell. I'm not sure I would be able to pick out a baby born today verses yesterday or two days before.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com

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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
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Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 4:47 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
Cc: azores 

Margaret:  thank you.  After I wrote the list I kept looking and it was right there.  Sorry.  You did confirm what I found.   She used February 5- her baptismal date as her birthday.   Cheri just confirmed that expostos did use their baptismal date as their birthday.  So sad I can't go further until we get DNA and I really don't know how that helps (yet) because I don't understand the DNA vocabulary.  I'm going to have to grow and learn about DNA now.  - from the emails I see here- it seems confusing.  I see some people make connections and others are unsure of the info they get.  So it's time to grow and learn!  Maria Elena   

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

>From Insulana, book LVIII, 2001, page 220 (This book has a typed index of
Ribeira Quente marriages).

15 Dec 1856
Groom: Francisco Furtado, son of Manoel Furtado Pechejo (?) and his wife
Ursula da Estrella
Bride: Maria Jacintha, daughter of Francisco de Arruda (dead) and Jacintha
de Jesus.

Here's the image from the CCA:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860/SMG-PV-RIBEIRAQUENTE-C-1833-1860_item1/P78.html

That Pechejo must be some kind of alcunha (nickname).

I've got those surnames in Ribeira Quente (RQ), but not as direct
descendants.  You'll probably tie into one of my lines in 1-2 more
generations.

Cheri Mello



On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Joseph Costa  wrote:

> Hi all.  I'm looking to see if anyone has any information on my great
> grandmother's ancestry.
>
> Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira
> Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan
> 1889, Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose's ancestry.  I'm just looking for
> Julia's).  Thanks for any help you can offer!
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Margaret Vicente

Maria,

There's a window into Luisa's past through the people who raised her. Were
you to research the couple in Feteiras you may get new insights into her
life.




On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:52 PM, Margaret Vicente  wrote:

> I would think your husband might be a better choice since you're
> investigating the maternal DNA, MtDNA, however I will defer the proper
> answer to Cheri or anyone else in the group that might wish to chime in.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Maria Lima wrote:
>
>> Thank you so much for that information.
>>
>> My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma
>> Georgina had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother,
>> deceased.  The son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years
>> older than my husband, would it help to get HIS DNA?
>>
>> If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant
>> on this DNA thing:(
>> Can u advise?  Thank you
>>
>>
>> Maria Elena
>>
>> On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
>>
>> One more thing to point out.
>> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the
>> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will
>> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of
>> her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>>
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>>
>>
>>   Original Message 
>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
>> From: 
>> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>>
>> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these
>> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA
>> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find
>> that one maternal line.
>> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has
>> pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are
>> getting from her unknown parents.
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Maria Elena,

I did NOT say that expostos used their baptismal date.  Go back and double
check.  Here it is and I'll use fonts for emphasis:

<>

I did NOT say ALL expostos do this.  I said MANY people.  I don't want
people think that it's some type of rule.  Many people just did (and maybe
some even still do) this.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Margaret Vicente

I would think your husband might be a better choice since you're
investigating the maternal DNA, MtDNA, however I will defer the proper
answer to Cheri or anyone else in the group that might wish to chime in.




On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 7:37 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Thank you so much for that information.
>
> My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma
> Georgina had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother,
> deceased.  The son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years
> older than my husband, would it help to get HIS DNA?
>
> If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant
> on this DNA thing:(
> Can u advise?  Thank you
>
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
>
> One more thing to point out.
> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the
> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will
> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of
> her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
> From: 
> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these
> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA
> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find
> that one maternal line.
> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has
> pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are
> getting from her unknown parents.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Maria Lima

Margaret:  thank you.  After I wrote the list I kept looking and it was right 
there.  Sorry.  You did confirm what I found.   She used February 5- her 
baptismal date as her birthday.   Cheri just confirmed that expostos did use 
their baptismal date as their birthday.  So sad I can't go further until we get 
DNA and I really don't know how that helps (yet) because I don't understand the 
DNA vocabulary.  

I'm going to have to grow and learn about DNA now.  - from the emails I see 
here- it seems confusing.  I see some people make connections and others are 
unsure of the info they get.  So it's time to grow and learn!  

Maria Elena 

> On Mar 28, 2014, at 6:37 PM, Margaret Vicente  
> wrote:
> 
> Maria, 
> 
> There records for Expostos in S. Jose, Ponta Delgada.  Found your Luisa, have 
> a look.
> 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1826-1852/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1826-1852_item1/P119.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:59 PM,  wrote:
>> One more thing to point out.
>> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the 
>> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will 
>> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of her 
>> descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>> 
>> Doug da Rocha Holmes
>> Sacramento, California
>> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
>> 916-550-1618
>> www.dholmes.com
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
>> From: 
>> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
>> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>> 
>> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these 
>> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA 
>> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find 
>> that one maternal line.
>> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has pointed 
>> out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are getting 
>> from her unknown parents.
>>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose F Silva

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Bob O,

Everything is organized by church level (at least back then).

Faial has about 13 freguesias.  That's not too many to research, but you
have really common names.

The CITCEM (used to be called NEPS) is here:
http://www.ghp.ics.uminho.pt/genealogias.html

Warning though:  This database was created by humans and therefore has some
human error in it.  Once you find your people, cross check with the actual
records on the CCA site.

CCA: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/ig/

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Maria Elena,

Give me the names of the lineage.

Hubby -> Maria Georgina -> Luiza Correia -> pais incognitos.

I want to be sure I've got this right before giving you the strategies.
Cheri Mello
Azores DNA


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Maria Lima  wrote:

> Thank you so much for that information.
>
> My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma
> Georgina had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother,
> deceased.  The son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years
> older than my husband, would it help to get HIS DNA?
>
> If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant
> on this DNA thing:(
> Can u advise?  Thank you
>
>
> Maria Elena
>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
>
> One more thing to point out.
> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the
> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will
> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of
> her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
> From: 
> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these
> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA
> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find
> that one maternal line.
> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has
> pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are
> getting from her unknown parents.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

And here's my take on mtDNA:

It's best use is anthropology.  We'll get a lot of the Out of Africa theory
stuff from it.  I'd have to find my notes, but the mtDNA Plus test covers
something like 1500 base pairs.  The mtDNA Full Sequence or Mega covers the
entire 16,000+ base pair molecule.  The WHOLE thing.

To use mtDNA for genealogy, it would be best to use it in conjunction with
another researcher.  Let's say you and I had a theory that our mother's
mother's mother's mother's were sisters, but be couldn't prove it because
the church books were lost or don't go back that far.  However, we are in
the same freguesia and our ancestor are the godmother's for each other's
kids.  So if we both take an mtDNA test and we match perfectly, then yes,
we can be pretty sure that we are cousins.

With that being said, the first DNA match ever made in the Azores project
was with an mtDNA match, off of the mtDNA Basic test (which they don't
offer anymore - too ambiguous).  A man in Brazil matched a woman in
California.  They both had are fairly rare mutation.  With a little more
paper trail research they proved it too.

When the mtDNA Full Sequence/Mega test first came out, it was about $500
USD!  Things have sure changed since then.  I did test my mom on the Full
Sequence/Mega, only because we were having a few too many hospitalizations
at that time.  I didn't expect to get anything out of it and to date, have
not got any matches out of it.  But it will be there for me when the day
comes.

I never tested my dad's mtDNA.  That line is a bit of a dead end, but I
haven't quite exhausted the paper trail yet.  But knowing that it was $500
at one time and this is the best price on the Full Sequence/Mega, I went
ahead and ordered it on him.  However, I know full well NOT to expect any
genealogical matches unless I get lucky and he has a rare mutation.  I
might as well go place a bet on who is going to win the World Series in
American baseball this fall.  I wouldn't win money on that and I don't
expect to hit pay dirt with my dad's mtDNA either.  But it is a good deal
and then I'll have his DNA there when I need it.

Cheri Mello
Azores DNA Admin (volunteer)

On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 3:00 PM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *Hello Joseph,*
>
>
>
> *Unless you want to test a different family member. I would wait until you
> get the results of the tests you have already ordered. The Full Sequence
> MtDNA would be useful in some cases but I would see what your results are
> from the MtDNA plus. *
>
>
>
> *I am a Haplogroup "W" this haplogroup is not common and the total
> percentage world is a small percentage. Many "W"s in this country can trace
> their ancestry to a single French Canadian in the 1600's. If you have a
> very common haplogroup you may want to consider the Full Sequence to thin
> out the number of matches.*
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
>
>
>
> *Family Tree DNA Co-AdministratorAzores DNA Project*
>
>
>
> *Azores DNA Project Co-Administrators*
>
> *All unpaid volunteers *
>
> *Cheri Mello - gfsche...@gmail.com  *
>
> *Rick Pimentel - rickredle...@gmail.com  *
>
> *Nancy Jean Baptista - fishsongf...@hotmail.com 
> *
>
>
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Joseph Costa
> *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 3:20 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* azores
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale
>
>
>
> Ok.  So, a couple of weeks ago, I ordered three tests:  1) the Family
> Finder, 2) Y-DNA37 markers, and 3) mt-DNA Plus.  Does anyone think there is
> any value to my doing one of these discounted upgrades they are offering?
>
> On Friday, March 28, 2014 9:13:32 AM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote:
>
> Family Tree DNA is having a sale on its mtDNA (Maternal line) $139.
>
>
>
> "E"
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Maria Lima

Thank you so much for that information.

My husband is descended from Luiza's daughter, Maria Georgina.  And Ma Georgina 
had a daughter and a son.  The daughter is my husband's mother, deceased.  The 
son had one son who is still alive.  Since he's 7 years older than my husband, 
would it help to get HIS DNA?  

If so, I do not know what to ask him to get.  Sorry, I'm really ignorant on 
this DNA thing:(
Can u advise?  Thank you


Maria Elena 

> On Mar 28, 2014, at 4:59 PM,  wrote:
> 
> One more thing to point out.
> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the 
> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will 
> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of her 
> descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
> 
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
> From: 
> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> 
> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these 
> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA 
> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find 
> that one maternal line.
> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has pointed 
> out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are getting 
> from her unknown parents.
>  
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Margaret Vicente

Maria,

There records for Expostos in S. Jose, Ponta Delgada.  Found your Luisa,
have a look.

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1826-1852/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1826-1852_item1/P119.html





On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 5:59 PM,  wrote:

> One more thing to point out.
> The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the
> oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will
> eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of
> her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
> From: 
> Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these
> daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA
> test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find
> that one maternal line.
> Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has
> pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are
> getting from her unknown parents.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus, Pais incognito-

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Maria Elena,

Yes, many people (expostos or otherwise) use their baptism date for their
birth date.

Campones is a laborer.
Cheri Mello

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus, Pais incognito-

2014-03-28 Thread Maria Lima

I found the Sao Jose expostos book and I found a  Luiza baptized 5 February1838.
That is the date she used as her birth date!  

Does any one know if with expostos they used the date of their baptism as their 
date of birth ?  They probably didn't know what date they were born.  What is 
that occupation campomex- a farmer? 

Thanks.  I'm inclined to think this could be her because the date is the date 
she said she was born.  Any thoughts?



Luiza: on  lower right hand

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1826-1852/SMG-PD-SAOJOSE-B-1826-1852_item1/P119.html

Maria Elena 

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RE: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

2014-03-28 Thread Erica Botelho

Thanks JR. I will check in Sao Pedro next.

Erica

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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 2:58 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, 
Lagoa

You may never find the marriage because there are no records for that period. 
But many marriages of people from Agua de Pau appear in Vila Franca Sao Pedro, 
so check there. And you will have to go the route already stated by Cheri.

This is it, more or less. It looks like the priest uses an older style of 
writing, possibly from Spanish influence. He spells names with variations and 
Medeiros with an i, Mideiros:

Miguel, filho de Filepphe Marques e sua mulher Maria Fernandes desta Vila, born 
27th, Sept- 1704, bap- Oct 3, of said year. Padrinhos Gonsallo de Mideiros de 
Almeida e sua filha Antonia da Silva all residents of this village parish of NS 
dos Anjos, where he was baptised in the parish of his parents. Testamunhas- 
Padre Manuel de Almeida de Mideiros; Goncallo de Mideiros Almeida and Cura 
Thome Soares

Francisco, filho de Filepphe Marques and Maria Fernandes, natives of the 
Village, born- Sept 4, 1707, bap- Sept 12 of said year, Padrinhos, Padre Manuel 
de Ameida de Mideiros  resident of this village and  Angracia (Engracia) Lopes 
filha de Jozeph Lopes e Thereza de Mideiros residents and natives of this 
parish and village.

On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:48:56 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:

Cheri suggested that the children’s baptisms will say where the parents were 
married. Can someone help me find that information in either of these baptisms? 
My skills are still not up to this challenge J

Miguel, right side, middle entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P34.html

Francisco, left side, bottom entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P66.html

Thank you,

Erica B

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

Hi,

I am looking for the marriage record for Philipe Marquez and Maria Fernandez. 
They married between March 1703 and September 1704. Their children are baptized 
in Agua de Pau and so are his children from his first marriage. I have looked 
in Matriz de Santa Cruz and N.S. Rosario but they are not there. Can anyone 
suggest some other nearby churches that they may have gone to for their 
marriage?

Thank you,

Erica Botelho

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading a death record

2014-03-28 Thread Fred Estrella

Thanks to Doug and Altino for clearing up my problem.

Fred


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:00 PM, Altino Demelo wrote:

> Fred, I get Simão Gonçalves.. That abbreviation you mentioned with the G
> is correct.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 28, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Fred Estrella  wrote:
>
> I thought the last name of my 10th ggf was Simao Fernandez but I noticed a
> letter "g" in front of what I thought was a Fz or Frz. Could the
> abbrevation be glz for Gonzalves? But why would they put a line across the
> "l"?
>
> Record is on the left side, halfway down:
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717_item1/P4.html
>
> Thanks,
> Fred
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

2014-03-28 Thread Hermano C. Pires

Marriages for Agua de Pau begin 1n 1729.
The records prior to that may have been lost.
Hermano

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Subject: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, 
Lagoa
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 12:48:56 -0700

Cheri suggested that the children's baptisms will say where the parents were 
married. Can someone help me find that information in either of these baptisms? 
My skills are still not up to this challenge J Miguel, right side, middle 
entryhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P34.html
 Francisco, left side, bottom 
entryhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P66.html
 Thank you,Erica BFrom: azores@googlegroups.com 
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Sent: Friday, March 28, 2014 11:42 AM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa 
Hi,I am looking for the marriage record for Philipe Marquez and Maria 
Fernandez. They married between March 1703 and September 1704. Their children 
are baptized in Agua de Pau and so are his children from his first marriage. I 
have looked in Matriz de Santa Cruz and N.S. Rosario but they are not there. 
Can anyone suggest some other nearby churches that they may have gone to for 
their marriage?Thank you,Erica Botelho 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Joe C,

I think so.  I'll check when I get off work later.

Cheri M.


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:25 PM, Joseph Costa  wrote:

> Hi all.  I'm looking to see if anyone has any information on my great
> grandmother's ancestry.
>
> Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira
> Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan
> 1889, Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose's ancestry.  I'm just looking for
> Julia's).  Thanks for any help you can offer!
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

Hello Joseph,

 

Unless you want to test a different family member. I would wait until you get 
the results of the tests you have already ordered. The Full Sequence MtDNA 
would be useful in some cases but I would see what your results are from the 
MtDNA plus. 

 

I am a Haplogroup “W” this haplogroup is not common and the total percentage 
world is a small percentage. Many “W”s in this country can trace their ancestry 
to a single French Canadian in the 1600’s. If you have a very common haplogroup 
you may want to consider the Full Sequence to thin out the number of matches.

 

Rick

 

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Azores DNA Project

  

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fishsongf...@hotmail.com 

 

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Cc: azores
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

 

Ok.  So, a couple of weeks ago, I ordered three tests:  1) the Family Finder, 
2) Y-DNA37 markers, and 3) mt-DNA Plus.  Does anyone think there is any value 
to my doing one of these discounted upgrades they are offering?

On Friday, March 28, 2014 9:13:32 AM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote:

Family Tree DNA is having a sale on its mtDNA (Maternal line) $139.  

 

"E"

 

 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread pico

One more thing to point out.The strategy for the Family Finder test in your case would be to find the oldest living descendant of Luiza and get them tested ASAP. That will eliminate as much as possible the other unrelated lines. Get everyone of her descendants tested, if possible. The more the merrier.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
From: 
Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 2:55 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find that one maternal line.Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are getting from her unknown parents.  





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Re: FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

2014-03-28 Thread JR

You may never find the marriage because there are no records for that 
period. But many marriages of people from Agua de Pau appear in Vila Franca 
Sao Pedro, so check there. And you will have to go the route already stated 
by Cheri.

This is it, more or less. It looks like the priest uses an older style of 
writing, possibly from Spanish influence. He spells names with variations 
and Medeiros with an i, Mideiros:

Miguel, filho de Filepphe Marques e sua mulher Maria Fernandes desta Vila, 
born 27th, Sept- 1704, bap- Oct 3, of said year. Padrinhos Gonsallo de 
Mideiros de Almeida e sua filha Antonia da Silva all residents of this 
village parish of NS dos Anjos, where he was baptised in the parish of his 
parents. Testamunhas- Padre Manuel de Almeida de Mideiros; Goncallo de 
Mideiros Almeida and Cura Thome Soares

Francisco, filho de Filepphe Marques and Maria Fernandes, natives of the 
Village, born- Sept 4, 1707, bap- Sept 12 of said year, Padrinhos, Padre 
Manuel de Ameida de Mideiros  resident of this village and  Angracia 
(Engracia) Lopes filha de Jozeph Lopes e Thereza de Mideiros residents and 
natives of this parish and village.

On Friday, March 28, 2014 3:48:56 PM UTC-4, audiosourceinc wrote:
>
> Cheri suggested that the children’s baptisms will say where the parents 
> were married. Can someone help me find that information in either of these 
> baptisms? My skills are still not up to this challenge J
>
>  
>
> Miguel, right side, middle entry
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P34.html
>
>  
>
> Francisco, left side, bottom entry
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P66.html
>
>  
>
> Thank you,
>
> Erica B
>
> *From:* azo...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> azo...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Erica Botelho
> *Sent:* Friday, March 28, 2014 11:42 AM
> *To:* azo...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, 
> Lagoa
>
>  
>
> Hi,
>
> I am looking for the marriage record for Philipe Marquez and Maria 
> Fernandez. They married between March 1703 and September 1704. Their 
> children are baptized in Agua de Pau and so are his children from his first 
> marriage. I have looked in Matriz de Santa Cruz and N.S. Rosario but they 
> are not there. Can anyone suggest some other nearby churches that they may 
> have gone to for their marriage?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Erica Botelho
>
>  
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread pico

One thing you might be able to do, if she had any daughters, and if these daughters had any daughters who are living to this day, is get the mt-DNA test and maybe somehow, someone in the future will match and you can find that one maternal line.Also, the Family Finder test will register her DNA, but as Cheri has pointed out many times, it will take time to figure out relatives you are getting from her unknown parents.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com

 Original Message 
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito
From: Maria Lima 
Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 12:46 pm
To: AZORES 

Luiza de Jesus Coreira is  my husband's gr grandmother and lived in Boston so we have her birthdate as 5 February 1838. I even found  her passport with her picture when my husband's mom died and I had to "dispose" of her belongings after she lived 40 years in the same house.  It's a miracle how I came upon Luiza's passport.   So I'm so sad that with her lineage I've come to the end.  

Her passport, her  marriage and even the  birth records for her children state she was from Sao Jose parish in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  However,  I could not find Expostos  for Sao Jose parish.  So I went to the Matrix, Sao Sebastao.  There  I found a baptismal record on 15 February 1838 for  a Luiza,  placed on the Roda, and given by order of the Camara to be raised to Angelica de Jesus, wife of Antonio Pacheco.  (Interesting they tended to give the child to a woman, "wife of or widow of" and not the couple.  Maybe there's a reason for that.   Was the giving of the child to someone to raise a legal adoption?  

I'd like your opinion:  I feel like I'm grabbing at straws here assuming this is my Luiza.  if she was really born on the 5 and baptized the 15th then that makes sense, right?  The name of the lady who raised her also had the middle name of "de Jesus."  So that's like "another clue" (?)  

Luiza always used the surname  Correia.  Now I realize I have no leads to research her last name.  

Maybe they learned more about their birth circumstances as they got older and there was a Coreira  in her lineage?

Looks like they used the same 2 guys to be padrinhos for just about all the pages I read.  So I discounted them from any familial ties.

Any insights would be so appreciated.  It's sad when you get to the end of the line. :( 
I've heard of miracles in dead ends but I just don't know where to go with this.  
Any help would be so appreciated.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1827-1839/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1827-1839_item1/P121.html

Maria Elena 

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Luiza de Jesus of Pais incognito

2014-03-28 Thread Maria Lima

Luiza de Jesus Coreira is  my husband's gr grandmother and lived in Boston so 
we have her birthdate as 5 February 1838. I even found  her passport with her 
picture when my husband's mom died and I had to "dispose" of her belongings 
after she lived 40 years in the same house.  It's a miracle how I came upon 
Luiza's passport.   So I'm so sad that with her lineage I've come to the end.  

Her passport, her  marriage and even the  birth records for her children state 
she was from Sao Jose parish in Ponta Delgada, Sao Miguel.  However,  I could 
not find Expostos  for Sao Jose parish.  So I went to the Matrix, Sao Sebastao. 
 There  I found a baptismal record on 15 February 1838 for  a Luiza,  placed on 
the Roda, and given by order of the Camara to be raised to Angelica de Jesus, 
wife of Antonio Pacheco.  (Interesting they tended to give the child to a 
woman, "wife of or widow of" and not the couple.  Maybe there's a reason for 
that.   Was the giving of the child to someone to raise a legal adoption?  

I'd like your opinion:  I feel like I'm grabbing at straws here assuming this 
is my Luiza.  if she was really born on the 5 and baptized the 15th then that 
makes sense, right?  The name of the lady who raised her also had the middle 
name of "de Jesus."  So that's like "another clue" (?)  

Luiza always used the surname  Correia.  Now I realize I have no leads to 
research her last name.  

Maybe they learned more about their birth circumstances as they got older and 
there was a Coreira  in her lineage?

Looks like they used the same 2 guys to be padrinhos for just about all the 
pages I read.  So I discounted them from any familial ties.

Any insights would be so appreciated.  It's sad when you get to the end of the 
line. :( 
I've heard of miracles in dead ends but I just don't know where to go with 
this.  
Any help would be so appreciated.  

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1827-1839/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-B-1827-1839_item1/P121.html

Maria Elena

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FW: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

2014-03-28 Thread Erica Botelho

Cheri suggested that the children's baptisms will say where the parents were
married. Can someone help me find that information in either of these
baptisms? My skills are still not up to this challenge J

 

Miguel, right side, middle entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700
-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P34.html

 

Francisco, left side, bottom entry

http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700
-1711/SMG-LG-AGUADEPAU-B-1700-1711_item1/P66.html

 

Thank you,

Erica B

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau,
Lagoa

 

Hi,

I am looking for the marriage record for Philipe Marquez and Maria
Fernandez. They married between March 1703 and September 1704. Their
children are baptized in Agua de Pau and so are his children from his first
marriage. I have looked in Matriz de Santa Cruz and N.S. Rosario but they
are not there. Can anyone suggest some other nearby churches that they may
have gone to for their marriage?

Thank you,

Erica Botelho

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Jose F Silva

2014-03-28 Thread ÖhmanGen

Hi Cheri,

No, I do not know what parish on Faial.
What is NEPS and CITCEM?

Thank you,

Bob Öhman

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> Bob O,
>
> What freguesia on Faial?  Have you looked at the NEPS or CITCEM site?
>
>
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das 
> Tainhas, Achada 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Júlia da Encarnaçao (1862)

2014-03-28 Thread Joseph Costa

Hi all.  I’m looking to see if anyone has any information on my great 
grandmother’s ancestry.  

Here is her information:  Júlia da Encarnaçao b. 22 Mar 1862 at Ribeira 
Quente to Francisco Furtado and Maria Jacinta;  m. Jose da Costa 24 Jan 
1889, Matriz  (Note:  I have Jose’s ancestry.  I’m just looking for 
Julia’s).  Thanks for any help you can offer!

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Antonio da Costa Piquete lineage

2014-03-28 Thread Joseph Costa

Thanks Dan.  I sent you an email privately.  Did you get it?  I would like 
to purchase a copy of this book if possible.  Otherwise, I will try to find 
it at a library.

On Thursday, March 27, 2014 7:14:01 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote:
>
> I tried posting this twice but I guess we've reached the limit in your 
> original thread, Joseph. What I was trying to communicate to you was that 
> after we finished working on Joam, I turned to some other research. While 
> looking for another individual named Costa, I came across the name above. 
> My question to you was whether you had access to one of the essential tools 
> for anyone researching Sao Miguel and Santa Maria. It is a book entitled 
> "*Genealogias 
> de S.Miguel e Santa Maria," written by Rodrigo Rodrigues. *As I mentioned 
> above, I came across your 6GGF's name in a genealogy dating back to the 
> early days of Sao Miguel. The reference to your ancestor is in a section 
> entitled Da Descendancia de Francisco Anes, Da Praia. I you can gain access 
> to the book, the reference can be found in {v1,c8,p173.} This a big 
> discovery! 
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

2014-03-28 Thread Marilyn Thompson

Thanks for posting about the sale. I missed seeing anything else about it.
I ordered for my first cousin once removed (I think that is the correct
relationship). He is full Azorean so it will interesting to see his results.

I had his Y-DNA and Family Finder done but did not get any close results.
So here is hoping for closer results.


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 6:20 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Here is additional sale info:
>
> Savings
>
> mtDNAFullSequence Addon and New Kits - Was $199 US Now $139 US
>
> mtHVR1toMEGA Upgrade - Was $149 US Now $99 US
>
> mtHVR2toMEGA Upgrade - Was $159 US Now $89 US
>
>
> "E"
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 6:13 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:
>
>> Family Tree DNA is having a sale on its mtDNA (Maternal line) $139.
>>
>> "E"
>>
>>
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

2014-03-28 Thread Joseph Costa

Ok.  So, a couple of weeks ago, I ordered three tests:  1) the Family 
Finder, 2) Y-DNA37 markers, and 3) mt-DNA Plus.  Does anyone think there is 
any value to my doing one of these discounted upgrades they are offering?

On Friday, March 28, 2014 9:13:32 AM UTC-4, E Sharp wrote:
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> Family Tree DNA is having a sale on its mtDNA (Maternal line) $139.  
>
> "E"
>
>
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading a death record

2014-03-28 Thread Altino Demelo

Fred, I get Simão Gonçalves.. That abbreviation you mentioned with the G is 
correct.

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> On Mar 28, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Fred Estrella  wrote:
> 
> I thought the last name of my 10th ggf was Simao Fernandez but I noticed a 
> letter "g" in front of what I thought was a Fz or Frz. Could the abbrevation 
> be glz for Gonzalves? But why would they put a line across the "l"?
> 
> Record is on the left side, halfway down:
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717_item1/P4.html
> 
> Thanks,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading a death record

2014-03-28 Thread pico

Fred,That person is Simao Glz for Goncalves.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com

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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading a death record
From: Fred Estrella 
Date: Fri, March 28, 2014 11:42 am
To: Azores Genealogy 

I thought the last name of my 10th ggf was Simao Fernandez but I noticed a letter "g" in front of what I thought was a Fz or Frz. Could the abbrevation be glz for Gonzalves? But why would they put a line across the "l"? Record is on the left side, halfway down:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717_item1/P4.html Thanks, Fred  --  For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." ---  You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

2014-03-28 Thread Cheri Mello

Erica B,

The baptism of their children should tell you where the parents were
married.


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Genealogy online 'groups'

2014-03-28 Thread Luci

Just so you know, if you use Google Translate the pages in Portuguese can 
be automatically translated into English.  Sometimes there are some 
"strange" translations, but overall, I find I can make sense out of the 
translation.


On Thursday, March 27, 2014 1:37:04 AM UTC-7, João Ventura wrote:
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> Hi everyone,
>
> As part of tombo.pt phase two (or three, I'm not really counting), I'm 
> creating some content pages to help people start their genealogy research. 
> Initially the pages will be in Portuguese only. Truth be told, 90% of my 
> site's audience is Portuguese-speaking, so that's my target language.
>
> However, one of those pages doesn't need to be translated, so I'm sharing 
> it with you:
>
> http://tombo.pt/content/grupos-no-facebook
>
> You can see the link to this mailing list after all the Facebook groups. 
> Do note those Facebook groups are 99.9% Portuguese-speaking. Take that into 
> consideration before requesting to join.
>
> My question to you is: what am I missing from that list?
>
> Thanks,
>
> João Ventura
> http://tombo.pt/en
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help reading a death record

2014-03-28 Thread Fred Estrella

I thought the last name of my 10th ggf was Simao Fernandez but I noticed a
letter "g" in front of what I thought was a Fz or Frz. Could the
abbrevation be glz for Gonzalves? But why would they put a line across the
"l"?

Record is on the left side, halfway down:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717/SMG-PD-SANTOANTONIO-O-1625-1717_item1/P4.html

Thanks,
Fred

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Looking for 1703 marriage from Agua de Pau, Lagoa

2014-03-28 Thread Erica Botelho

Hi,

I am looking for the marriage record for Philipe Marquez and Maria
Fernandez. They married between March 1703 and September 1704. Their
children are baptized in Agua de Pau and so are his children from his first
marriage. I have looked in Matriz de Santa Cruz and N.S. Rosario but they
are not there. Can anyone suggest some other nearby churches that they may
have gone to for their marriage?

Thank you,

Erica Botelho

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: FTDA MTdna sale

2014-03-28 Thread "E" Sharp

Here is additional sale info:

Savings

mtDNAFullSequence Addon and New Kits - Was $199 US Now $139 US

mtHVR1toMEGA Upgrade - Was $149 US Now $99 US

mtHVR2toMEGA Upgrade - Was $159 US Now $89 US


"E"


On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 6:13 AM, "E" Sharp  wrote:

> Family Tree DNA is having a sale on its mtDNA (Maternal line) $139.
>
> "E"
>
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] FTDA MTdna sale

2014-03-28 Thread "E" Sharp

Family Tree DNA is having a sale on its mtDNA (Maternal line) $139.

"E"

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder matches

2014-03-28 Thread Richard Francis Pimentel

I recently had a match on my dad's Family Finder. The match was predicted as
a 4th to remote cousin. In actuality They are third cousins. I guess the
amount of DNA that matched was not enough because one or the other did not
inherit enough DNA to predict a 3rd cousin match.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Spring, TX

 

 

From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Cheri Mello
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2014 12:20 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder matches

 

Doug,

Contact me offlist.  My guess is that something's screwy with their dates.
I do have someone in the the project that joined 01/01/0001.  Which is
impossible.

Cheri

 

On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 2:28 AM,  wrote:

Hi Cheri,

 

Well, that's a surprise about matches for me and not my parents, but sure
makes sense.

 

About the "new" matches, here is what I noticed and you can explain it any
way you want.

Starting from about last summer, I always made it a point to check in once
or more each month and every match to me was then assigned a "distant
cousin" connection or closer if I could figure it out.

 

Then this week I log in and found maybe 5 or so new connections and most
were dated at least a year ago. They just never appeared as my connections
until now.

 

I know it sounds strange, but am willing to bet some others are getting
this, too. They might not be paying attention to it, but it happened
probably to many. Same thing happened for my father's connections.

 

Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico & Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618

www.dholmes.com

 

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder matches
From: Cheri Mello 
Date: Wed, March 26, 2014 10:36 pm
To: Azores Genealogy 

Doug,

That change was made quite a while ago (last summer maybe?)  Anyways, at the
time they changed the algorithm, I made a post.  Nothing else has changed.

Yes, you can match someone your parent doesn't match.  If your dad had 2
small slivers below the threshold but they both get passed onto you and land
adjacent to each other, it now looks like a larger block and it will be
reported in your DNA results. They do have an FAQ on that.  

Cheri Mello 

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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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