RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Joe Silvey - Canada

[pico]

Antonio,You might like to contact the author. He's a native of Ribeirinha, Pico and at one time was subscribed to this list. Maybe still is.Based on his research and the information he provided me, I found the baptism of this Portuguese Joe about 10 years ago, but I never saw this article. There are people on this list who are related to this family, I believe, including his descendants. As you see from his father, he is one of the Simas descendants.Best I can tell, he took the name Silva, changed it to Silvia or Silvey, but it comes from his maternal grandfather who was a Silveira and is also my distant cousin.Doug da Rocha HolmesPico & Terceira Genealogist=Get ready for NFL Fantasy Football and join me in the newly created Azores Genealogist League. Still looking for more participants.Write me here for more info: n...@rochaholmes.com=


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From: Antonio Faria This article talks about Joseph Silveys genealogy and includes a  picture of him with one of his native wife's.http://portuguesepioneersofbc.blogspot.com/2011/08/portuguese-joe-early-vancouver-volume.htmlAntonio Faria  





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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares Privado or Privado Tavares from S. Miguel - Ribeira Grande area

['Chuck Nostrome' via Azores Genealogy]

Eliseu,
 
http://gw.geneanet.org/tavaressilva?lang=en&m=NG&pz=joao%2Bluis%2Btavares&nz=silva&ocz=0&fn=Privado+&sn=Tavares&v=
 
I have benefitted from this mans information.  I have a Tavares link but not 
here.  Do you know him and communicate?  I notice some Privado Tavares listings.
 
Hope it helps if you are not already in contact.
 
Pat Nostrome
Vieira Anselmo on Sao Miguel
 
 
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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares Privado or Privado Tavares from S. Miguel - 
Ribeira Grande area



Hi!
Does anyone have anything on these surnames? I am having a hard time putting 
them together! J  trying to figure out who is who is giving my a big head 
hake!!!
 
Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo
( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )
 
 


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Benevides, Teves, Oliveira Pimentel (Sao Miguel island maybe; no time period)

['John C' via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Shirley,

To answer your question, the Teves/Teve that I have all come from Ajuda 
Bretanha. John provided me with the birthdate of Teresa de Teves who was 
married to Matias Benevides. Teresa's parents were Andre Teves and Leonor 
de Sousa. I estimate that their birthdates were in the 1640's range. I 
think Andre could descend from Simao de Teves who settled in the Bretanha 
area a few generations before. But that is just a theory :)

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:31:25 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote:
>
> Repost for John C, itisme740 at aol.com
>
> < Teve. I am connected to them through their daughter Teresa Teve who married 
> Manuel Oliviera Pimentel. Does anyone have anything further on them such as 
> their parents? The Teve/Teves family has quite a background on the island 
> and I am trying to connect them to past generations. Thanks>>
>  

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How accurate is death record information

[Cheri Mello]

The information on a death record (Azores, American, Canadian, etc, etc) is
as accurate as the person who is providing the information.  The decedent
is, well, deceased.  So the information is not coming from that person.  It
is coming from a spouse or another relative.  If the death was sudden or
unexpected, the informant may be so upset that they give misinformation.
If the person was in poor health and death was expected, the information
could be more accurate.  And then there are those who outlived everyone and
no one knew who that person's parents or birth place was.

Marilyn, I think most deaths were recorded.  There is no Social Security
Death Index or California Death Index, or censuses to give a clue as to
when someone died.  Sometimes it may be noted on someone's marriage, so
you'd know to look before the marriage of their kid.  Other than that, you
just have to search through them.

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] How accurate is death record information

[Marilyn Thompson]

Since this thread is about death record information, I would like to ask a
question. Could someone tell me about Obitos? I see there are some on CCA,
but where most deaths recorded or was it hit and miss? I have always looked
for the baptismos and marriages.

Thanks


On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Kawika322  wrote:

> They seem to range in accuracy. For the most part they will get the name
> right and their spouses name correct if they were married or widowed. The
> amount of info also seems to depend on the priest, and the year. Death recs
> in the 1600's and 1700's sometimes contain less info. "Generally" i have
> seen that children and young unmarried people have relatively accurate info
> with age, names of parents etc., and where they were from. For middle age
> or older individuals age accuracy seems to vary from what I have have seen,
> from accurate within the correct year , or up to 4 or 5 years off.
> Sometimes spouses of the deceased are not listed for some reason, as well
> as ages. Other times the records may not list the original place the
> individual was from if they did not know.
>
> In any case, the Obitos can be very useful in filling in info and
> calculating their approximate birth. I use the other baptismal and marriage
> records to get more precise info.
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[AZORES-Genealogy] How accurate is death record information

[Kawika322]

They seem to range in accuracy. For the most part they will get the name right 
and their spouses name correct if they were married or widowed. The amount of 
info also seems to depend on the priest, and the year. Death recs in the 1600's 
and 1700's sometimes contain less info. "Generally" i have seen that children 
and young unmarried people have relatively accurate info with age, names of 
parents etc., and where they were from. For middle age or older individuals age 
accuracy seems to vary from what I have have seen, from accurate within the 
correct year , or up to 4 or 5 years off. Sometimes spouses of the deceased are 
not listed for some reason, as well as ages. Other times the records may not 
list the original place the individual was from if they did not know. 

In any case, the Obitos can be very useful in filling in info and calculating 
their approximate birth. I use the other baptismal and marriage records to get 
more precise info.

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[AZORES-Genealogy] How accurate is death record information

["E" Sharp]

How accurate is the information on the death records in the Azores?  Such
as where one was born and names of parents?

Thank you.
"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - GINETES, Sao Miguel

[Pam Santos]

Oh and Salvador married Barbara Pereira who was the sister of Manuel Pereira


On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Not sure if this is same couple I have a Manuel Pereira who married Maria
> de Vasconcelos on 02 Jun 1712 in Sao Sebastiao, Ginetes, Ponta Delgada, Sao
> Miguel, Azores. Her parents were Manuel Oliveira and Barbara de Póvoas. If
> so you are related to my kids, Maria Vasconcellos's brother Salvador de
> Oliveira Vasconcelos was my kids 7th Great Grandfather
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:41 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> This is from my data base: His parents are Manuel de Sousa and Josefa
>> Carvalho; her parents are Manuel Pereira and Maria de Vasconcelos. Teresa
>> was born on 6 Oct 1727 and died on 25 Feb 1810. Miguel and Teresa were
>> married on 3 Sep 1749. His line goes back to Afonso Oliveira and Solanda
>> Lopes and also to João Afonso "das Grotas Fundas", among others. Teresa's
>> line goes back to the same ancestors, so they were distantly related. The
>> biggest challenge will be Teresa's paternal grandparents, José Pereira and
>> Maria de Oliveira. Every record says they were from and married in Ginetes,
>> but nobody that I know of, including Rodrigo Rodrigues, has ever found
>> their marriage. Good luck! I hope this helps.
>>
>> John Miranda Raposo
>>
>>
>>   On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:09 PM, Lee 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  The writing in his record has me squinting like mad to read it.
>>
>> This is the marriage record of Miguel Carvalho and Theresa Pereira - left
>> page
>>
>> It looks Miguel's parents are Manoel de/da Sylva and Josefa Carvalha
>>
>> and Theresa's parents look like Manoel Pereira and Maria de ?
>> (Carvalha??)
>>
>> As for the date at the top - I can't read a word of it.  The writing in
>> this record is so "scribbled" I can barely make any of it out.
>>
>>
>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782_item1/P16.html
>>
>> Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Soccer in Azores (1915-1921)

[Herb]

Hi Karen, my dad who was born in the Azores played in the mainland in Lisbon on 
a professional soccer team called Belenenses. He also played for a team called 
Micalense in Ponta Delgada in his late teens. Later  on when he was in his 
early 30s he played for the Lomba da Fazenda team in Nordeste.  I have spoken 
with older folks Sao Miguel  from that generation. They all tell me the same 
thing, that my dad Nicolau was probably the greatest soccer player to ever come 
from the Azores. This Ronaldo guy has nothing on him, but it was a much 
different era. Professional soccer back then was nothing like it is today. Just 
thought I would share. Herb

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Joe Silvey - Canada

[Antonio Faria]

Great article E,

This article talks about Joseph Silveys genealogy and includes a  picture 
of him with one of his native wife's.

http://portuguesepioneersofbc.blogspot.com/2011/08/portuguese-joe-early-vancouver-volume.html

Antonio Faria


On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 12:17:37 PM UTC-7, E Sharp wrote:
>
> This is an very interesting article.  Since my spouse is also a carver 
> it is particularly interesting to me.   
>
>
> http://www.straight.com/arts/671511/coast-salish-carver-luke-marston-explores-portuguese-roots-stanley-park-sculpture
>
> "E"
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Nossa Senhora da Estrella, Ribeira Grande Baptism up on CCA

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

The ones on line so far are only to the year 1801. I would guess the rest of 
the Baptisms will be next which will be for the years 1802-1910.

 

Rick

 

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH

 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores

 

 

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Santos
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 3:02 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Nossa Senhora da Estrella, Ribeira Grande Baptism 
up on CCA

 

They have the baptism up on CCA site. Yippy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - GINETES, Sao Miguel

[Pam Santos]

Not sure if this is same couple I have a Manuel Pereira who married Maria
de Vasconcelos on 02 Jun 1712 in Sao Sebastiao, Ginetes, Ponta Delgada, Sao
Miguel, Azores. Her parents were Manuel Oliveira and Barbara de Póvoas. If
so you are related to my kids, Maria Vasconcellos's brother Salvador de
Oliveira Vasconcelos was my kids 7th Great Grandfather


On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 4:41 PM, 'John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy <
azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> This is from my data base: His parents are Manuel de Sousa and Josefa
> Carvalho; her parents are Manuel Pereira and Maria de Vasconcelos. Teresa
> was born on 6 Oct 1727 and died on 25 Feb 1810. Miguel and Teresa were
> married on 3 Sep 1749. His line goes back to Afonso Oliveira and Solanda
> Lopes and also to João Afonso "das Grotas Fundas", among others. Teresa's
> line goes back to the same ancestors, so they were distantly related. The
> biggest challenge will be Teresa's paternal grandparents, José Pereira and
> Maria de Oliveira. Every record says they were from and married in Ginetes,
> but nobody that I know of, including Rodrigo Rodrigues, has ever found
> their marriage. Good luck! I hope this helps.
>
> John Miranda Raposo
>
>
>   On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:09 PM, Lee 
> wrote:
>
>
> The writing in his record has me squinting like mad to read it.
>
> This is the marriage record of Miguel Carvalho and Theresa Pereira - left
> page
>
> It looks Miguel's parents are Manoel de/da Sylva and Josefa Carvalha
>
> and Theresa's parents look like Manoel Pereira and Maria de ?
> (Carvalha??)
>
> As for the date at the top - I can't read a word of it.  The writing in
> this record is so "scribbled" I can barely make any of it out.
>
>
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782_item1/P16.html
>
> Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - GINETES, Sao Miguel

['John Raposo' via Azores Genealogy]

This is from my data base: His parents are Manuel de Sousa and Josefa Carvalho; 
her parents are Manuel Pereira and Maria de Vasconcelos. Teresa was born on 6 
Oct 1727 and died on 25 Feb 1810. Miguel and Teresa were married on 3 Sep 1749. 
His line goes back to Afonso Oliveira and Solanda Lopes and also to João Afonso 
"das Grotas Fundas", among others. Teresa's line goes back to the same 
ancestors, so they were distantly related. The biggest challenge will be 
Teresa's paternal grandparents, José Pereira and Maria de Oliveira. Every 
record says they were from and married in Ginetes, but nobody that I know of, 
including Rodrigo Rodrigues, has ever found their marriage. Good luck! I hope 
this helps.

John Miranda Raposo



On Wednesday, June 25, 2014 7:09 PM, Lee  wrote:
 


The writing in his record has me squinting like mad to read it.
 
This is the marriage record of Miguel Carvalho and Theresa Pereira - left page
 
It looks Miguel's parents are Manoel de/da Sylva and Josefa Carvalha
 
and Theresa's parents look like Manoel Pereira and Maria de ? (Carvalha??)
 
As for the date at the top - I can't read a word of it.  The writing in this 
record is so "scribbled" I can barely make any of it out.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782_item1/P16.html
 
Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks!
 
Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Help with Marriage record - GINETES, Sao Miguel

[Lee]

The writing in his record has me squinting like mad to read it.
 
This is the marriage record of Miguel Carvalho and Theresa Pereira - left 
page
 
It looks Miguel's parents are Manoel de/da Sylva and Josefa Carvalha
 
and Theresa's parents look like Manoel Pereira and Maria de ? 
(Carvalha??)
 
As for the date at the top - I can't read a word of it.  The writing in 
this record is so "scribbled" I can barely make any of it out.
 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782/SMG-PD-GINETES-C-1747-1782_item1/P16.html
 
Any help with the above would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks!
 
Lee Estep, Oak Hill WV

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Nossa Senhora da Estrella, Ribeira Grande Baptism up on CCA

[Margaret Vicente]

I'm with you there... :)



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> They have the baptism up on CCA site. Yippy
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Joe Silvey - Canada

["E" Sharp]

This is an very interesting article.  Since my spouse is also a carver
it is particularly interesting to me.

http://www.straight.com/arts/671511/coast-salish-carver-luke-marston-explores-portuguese-roots-stanley-park-sculpture

"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Nossa Senhora da Estrella, Ribeira Grande Baptism up on CCA

[Pam Santos]

They have the baptism up on CCA site. Yippy

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Benevides, Teves, Oliveira Pimentel (Sao Miguel island maybe; no time period)

[Shirley Allegre]

I have a lot of TEVES in my database.  Can you send me time periods and places?
Shirley in CA
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  Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 9:30 AM
  Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Benevides, Teves, Oliveira Pimentel (Sao Miguel 
island maybe; no time period)


  Repost for John C, itisme740 at aol.com


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[AZORES-Genealogy] Tavares Privado or Privado Tavares from S. Miguel - Ribeira Grande area

[Eliseu Pacheco da Silva]

Hi!

Does anyone have anything on these surnames? I am having a hard time putting
them together! :)  trying to figure out who is who is giving my a big head
hake!!!

 

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

Researching Açores (São Miguel and Graciosa) and Alentejo

( http://gw.geneanet.org/eliseumanuel )

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz parish, Graciosa Island - Death Register In...

[Kathy Cardoza]

Nick

I would love to have your index on the Azores GenWeb site!

Thank you for all your efforts on this.

Kathy 

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>  
> In a message dated 6/23/2014 2:56:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, 
> nickmgomb...@gmail.com writes:
> I've been indexing the death register for Santa Cruz parish on Graciosa 
> Island covering the years 1898-1911. I only have 1909-1911 to complete. Would 
> anyone have any use for this file after I'm done? Can anyone recommend or 
> suggest a website where I can contribute the index when complete? I'm 
> interested in continuing to index other records for the parish, so I'd love 
> to here what others have to say. Thanks!
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Benevides, Teves, Oliveira Pimentel (Sao Miguel island maybe; no time period)

['John C' via Azores Genealogy]

Thanks so much for the information John. I appreciate it. 
On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 12:31:25 PM UTC-4, Cheri Mello wrote: 
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> Repost for John C, itisme740 at aol.com
>
> < Teve. I am connected to them through their daughter Teresa Teve who married 
> Manuel Oliviera Pimentel. Does anyone have anything further on them such as 
> their parents? The Teve/Teves family has quite a background on the island 
> and I am trying to connect them to past generations. Thanks>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Help reading passport entry (Raposo/Mosteiros) please

[Dano]

Hi Mel, 
I wouldn't sell family tradition totally down the river. Even where there 
may be nothing more than "bragging rights," there is usually a certain 
amount of truth tied to that tradition. While it is possible that family 
members have changed or exaggerated the relationship of two persons to be 
other than it was, it may have also been merely a misinterpretation of a 
statement in a family story that wasn't fully understood. 

I've come across a term in early historical documents that could account 
for this misinterpretation. The term is "primos com irmaos" which was 
intended to stress a very close relationship between two children - perhaps 
first cousins who were the sons or daughters of two brothers or sisters, or 
half brothers or half sisters. Sometimes, we need to read between the lines 
to figure out what the author was trying to describe.  

On Tuesday, June 24, 2014 2:26:44 PM UTC-4, IslandRoutes wrote:
>
> I am helping a cousin with her Raposo line.  I came across two entries in 
> the passports that I believe are brothers (thought there is some confusion 
> over how this family has linked these two together).
>
> Anyway, this is the page I am looking at:
>
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1875-1883_item1/P103.html
>
> The entries are #866 and #874.  In #874, the parents are listed as Pai 
> Incognito and Ma. de Jacintha.  In #866, the parents seem to say "Outro" 
> and Maria Albina.  What does Outro (or whatever it is) mean in this case?  
> I may not be reading it right but I thought it meant something like "other, 
> another".  So maybe it has a different meaning here?  I checked Robert 
> Demello's passport index book and he has the father as no name but 
> "deceased".  Is that what the term is saying?
>
> Thanks for the help!
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santa Cruz parish, Graciosa Island - Death Register In...

[CaraBela via Azores Genealogy]

Hi Nick,
 
I'd be very interested in this index! What a nice thing to do! Thank   you!
Sherry
 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2014 4:45:47 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
azores@googlegroups.com writes:

Hi Nick
I would since a lot of my grandmother's family is from Santa Cruz  Parish
Bob
 
 
In a message dated 6/23/2014 2:56:07 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,  
nickmgomb...@gmail.com writes:

I've been indexing the death register for Santa Cruz parish on  Graciosa 
Island covering the years 1898-1911. I only have 1909-1911 to  complete. Would 
anyone have any use for this file after I'm done? Can anyone  recommend or 
suggest a website where I can contribute the index when  complete? I'm 
interested in continuing to index other records for the  parish, so I'd love to 
here what others have to say. Thanks!  


Nick

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[nancy jean baptiste]

Hi Diane,
 
On my Pereira side from Velas my gggrandmother, Isabel de Jesus, had her last 
child when in her 50'sshe had  11 or 12 children. I don't have all my 
records with me now since I'm in Pico, but I remember being amazed at the time 
at how old she was when giving birth the final time.
 
I have 2 friends who had their 1st and only babies at 42. My mom and I were 
pregnant at the same timeI was 19 and she was 43. My brother and my son 
could be twins!
 
Many very fertile women!
 
Nancy Jean
 
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
From: eliseuman...@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:43:13 +
To: azores@googlegroups.com

Hi,The age of Maria de Ávila is 75. No doubt about this. She made her daughter 
Catarina Dutra her universal heir with some obligations.

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva

No dia 25/06/2014, às 00:39, Diane George  escreveu:

Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 54. 
I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his mother was 
43 also. I also can't figure out how to decide which baptism record for a Maria 
would fit from the four listed. Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding. DIane 
From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
John Vasconcelos
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM
To: azores
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila? Hi 
Diane,For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my 
sister was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might 
think.John Vasconcelos On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George 
 wrote:Hi, I recently had a match on My Heritage with a 
tree that has a Maria de Avila, married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or "o Cabaco".  
I believe that they are my 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage 
found a death record for Maria at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html
 (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria at 
the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death record. I 
can read the deceased husband's name and a daughter, Catarina Dutra, but I 
can't read most of the rest of the record.  The reason I want the age is that 
the listing for Maria on the My Heritage tree has her birth in 1635, but her 
first child isn't born until 1673 and her last child is born in 1689. That 
makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for the last birth which seems unlikely. 
The birth record cited for Maria de Avila is at 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.htmlI
 am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria since 
there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don't know how she decided to 
look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does have a record 
for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. It seems more 
likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his. I am hoping that the 
age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can search. I am reluctant 
to contact the owner of the tree directly with the these questions because I am 
not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which appears to be her language. Any 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?

[Eliseu Pacheco]

Hi,
The age of Maria de Ávila is 75. No doubt about this. She made her daughter 
Catarina Dutra her universal heir with some obligations.

Eliseu Pacheco da Silva


No dia 25/06/2014, às 00:39, Diane George  escreveu:

> Actually I was more concerned about the last child being born when she was 
> 54. I have an uncle is 8 months younger than I am who was born when his 
> mother was 43 also. I also can’t figure out how to decide which baptism 
> record for a Maria would fit from the four listed.
>  
> Anyway, thank you and Pam for responding.
>  
> DIane
>  
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> John Vasconcelos
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:31 PM
> To: azores
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Age in Death Record for Maria de Avila?
>  
> Hi Diane,
> For your information, my mother was 39 when I was born and 43 when my sister 
> was born and I was the first born so it isn't so unlikely as you might think.
> John Vasconcelos
>  
> 
> On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Diane George  wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> I recently had a match on My Heritage with a tree that has a Maria de Avila, 
> married to Pedro Dutra Alvernas or “o Cabaco”.  I believe that they are my 
> 9th great grandparents. The person on My Heritage found a death record for 
> Maria at 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-O-1643-1722_item1/P210.html
>  (middle record on the right side). I am trying to decipher the age of Maria 
> at the time of death and also any other names that appear in the death 
> record. I can read the deceased husband’s name and a daughter, Catarina 
> Dutra, but I can’t read most of the rest of the record.
>  
> The reason I want the age is that the listing for Maria on the My Heritage 
> tree has her birth in 1635, but her first child isn’t born until 1673 and her 
> last child is born in 1689. That makes her 38 at the first birth and 54 for 
> the last birth which seems unlikely. The birth record cited for Maria de 
> Avila is at 
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706/FAL-HT-CASTELOBRANCO-B-1624-1706_item1/P22.html
> I am not sure how the owner of the tree concluded that this is her Maria 
> since there are at least 4 Marias on the page. I also don’t know how she 
> decided to look at the records for that time period for Maria since she does 
> have a record for the husband Pedro that indicates he was baptized in 1650. 
> It seems more likely that Maria would have a birth date closer to his.
>  
> I am hoping that the age of Maria at death will point to a birth year I can 
> search. I am reluctant to contact the owner of the tree directly with the 
> these questions because I am not sure I can convey them in Portuguese which 
> appears to be her language.
>  
> Any help would be appreciated.
>  
> Diane George
>  
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