RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: my GGgrandfather

[Michael Gilfilian]

Actually now that I think about it this has taken me since I started so more 
like 6-7 yrs, but after so long you stop counting. 

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 1:25 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: my GGgrandfather

The CITCEM hosted on UMinho is probably *mostly* accurate. Since it was created 
by a team of sociology students, you need to cross check with the CCA. We all 
make mistakes. Who knows if it's 70% accurate or 80% accurate or ?? Someone 
would have to redo the whole thing, keeping track of the errors.  Cheri

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada


On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 10:20 AM Mike  wrote:
I don't know how accurate the Minho site is but it shows a whole host of 
ancestors, but for now I'm just glad he's finally nailed down with his 
immediate family.

On Monday, March 18, 2019 at 8:30:11 AM UTC-3, Mike wrote:
It has taken almost 4 years, but with some help from a couple of people I 
finally know for sure what village, correct BD, his parents and grandparents. 
his siblings Antonio S Pereira is from Cedros, Faial. What finally helped was 
finding his last will attached to the title abstract of my grandmothers house, 
he listed a sister I didn't know about.
Her name was the last clue needed.
Mike
Cedros, Salao, Faial, Piedade, Pico

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] My mother passed away

[Michael Gilfilian]

Cheri I'm so sorry for the loss of your mom. I will pray for her to have "Fair 
Winds and Following Seas" on her journey home...

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>I generally keep my private stuff private. However, this may affect the
>list for a week or so.
>
>My mother passed away this morning (Sunday, April 22nd). She had
>dementia
>and a host of other problems. It's been a long battle - at least 6 or 7
>years with the nursing home and probably another 5 or 6 before that,
>just
>trying to deal with the onset.
>
>I will have her go back home to the Ozarks of Missouri where she will
>be
>buried with her parents and little sister.
>
>I may give you short, brief answers to your emails. I may ignore you. I
>may
>come across the wrong way. Please be patient with me and I hope to have
>things back together in a week or so.
>
>If you feel the need to say something to me, please DO NOT sent it to
>the
>list. My direct email is gfscherim at gmail.com
>
>Thank you, Cheri Mello, Listowner, Azores-Gen
>Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>Quente,
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Has anyone upgraded old FTM 16 to newMcKiev

[Michael Gilfilian]

I’m trying the 2017 upgrade and it didn’t bring my media either when I synced 
it with ancestry, but I still 2014 on a separate hard drive so I can still use 
it.
Mike 

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From: JR
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 10:29 AM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Has anyone upgraded old FTM 16 to newMcKiev

Why don't you just try the trial version. Then if doesn't work, don't buy it. I 
bought the 2014 version and see no difference with the 2017 version. 
Apparently, the big deal is interfacing with Ancestry.com and getting that 
feature to work. I don't use ancestry, so it is necessary to update at all from 
2014.  Version 2014 works with Windows 7 and 10.

JR

On Tuesday, July 25, 2017 at 10:26:43 PM UTC-4, Pam Santos wrote:
I installed the update for mac 3.1 and it did not carry all my media file over. 
I haven't purchased 2017 if it doesn't transfer it over I would extremely upset 
way way to many records to link to the individuals 

On Sat, Jul 15, 2017 at 4:49 PM, JR  wrote:
I upgraded. You can install FTM 2014 without deinstalling Ver 16. They run 
independently and you can run both at same time. Just save your files to your 
computer or flash drive. Then install 2014. Go to import and select files from 
your flash drive.
 I much prefer Ver. 16. Much better interface and easier to navigate. I am 
running Ver 16, though it is somewhat slower. 

Go to windows button and click, click Computer on right side, click system 
properties, now look under system properties and it will show your "system 
type". It is probably 32 bit operating system. If it is 64 bit, this will be 
the source of any problems because Ver. 16 was designed to run on 32 bit 
system. However, I still use it anyway. 

As long as you can saving your files in at least two places; say your computer 
and a flashdrive; Two flash drives if you really want to be safe. Two 4 gig 
flashdrives is all you need and they are fairly cheap. 

JR


On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 12:19:25 AM UTC-4, E. Sharp wrote:
Has anyone upgraded the old FTM 16 genealogy program to the new McKiev program? 
 If so, how easy difficult was it?  I would like to do this but am afraid my 
computer skills are very limited and when I say very limited that is not an 
understatement. I have an HP laptop using Windows 7. 
Thank you. 
"E" 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA SITE

[Michael Gilfilian]

It’s odd that for some reason it’s not working anymore, guess I’ll reset it

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From: Cheri Mello
Sent: Monday, July 3, 2017 9:54 PM
To: Azores Genealogy
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] FTDNA SITE

It changed a couple of days ago.
Your are to use your kit number and the same password you have always used.
Cheri


Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, 
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Jul 3, 2017 at 6:49 PM, Mike  wrote:
Okay this may have been brought up already but when did the sign on page for 
FTDNA site change and was I supposed to redo my passwords?
Leal da Rosa, Leal, do Anjos, Piedade, Pico; 
Silveira, Pinheiro; Cedros, Faial


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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family tree maker upgrade

[Michael Gilfilian]

I recieved the email today, the test releases are going to start going out on 
Friday in certain areas at a time, I don't remember who goes in what order but 
it starts tomorrow. They also recommend compacting your tree in your current 
FTM under the tools tab then back ì it up before sync. A compacted file cleans 
up the dead space in the file and it will sync easier.

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On Apr 26, 2017, 12:45 PM, at 12:45 PM, Nancy Couto  
wrote:
>In order to sync to Ancestry, you will need to update to FTM 2017,
>which is
>developed by Software MacKiev. If you want to do that, you should do it
>soon, because the prerelease price, if you are eligible for it, is only
>good before the product ships. How much you will have to pay depends on
>which version of FTM you have now.
>
>Ancestry has discontinued its sync. In fact they were going to
>discontinue
>it at the end of 2016, but MacKiev convinced them to leave it running
>until
>the new FTM (MacKiev version) was ready. It will be replaced with
>MacKiev's
>Family Sync. The new Family Sync couldn't be tested until after
>Ancestry
>turned off the old sync (about three weeks ago). There were some kinks,
>but
>apparently most of them have been worked out, and MacKiev is now
>running a
>Beta Test Drive program with 25,000 participants. If all goes well,
>they
>will begin shipping and making downloads available on a rolling basis.
>The
>"rolling" is because Ancestry's servers apparently can't handle all the
>FTM
>users trying the new sync at once. I think the release will be soon. I
>am
>not part of the Beta test, but I purchased the software at the
>prerelease
>price of $29.95, and I'm looking forward to trying out some new
>features,
>like color coding.
>
>Here's a link to a page with information about the testing and
>projected
>release timetable. 
>https://support.mackiev.com/498640-RELEASE-OF-FTM-2017
>
>Also, if you are on Facebook, there are a couple of groups you may be
>interested in joining: Family Tree Maker Users and Family Tree Maker -
>Mac
>Version.
>
>Nancy
>
>
>On Wed, Apr 26, 2017 at 9:46 AM, 'Bill Boyd' via Azores Genealogy <
>azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Yes, I have FTM 2014.1 and it doesn't sync (as advertised). I bought
>> RootsMagic in anticipation of syncing to Ancestry in mid April.
>Crickets
>> from RootsMagic and I hear the new sync isn't working well with
>Ancestry
>> 2017. Leaves me uncomfortably with my primary information now on
>Ancestry
>> and no current backup, where I never wanted to be.
>>
>> Bill
>>
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St. John the Baptist & Mount Carmel churches in New Bedford, Massachusetts

[Michael Gilfilian]

⁣I emailed them, to ask about abaptism certificate for my great uncle, within a 
couple weeks I got a rrply back that it was on its way. Sent them a donation 
for their kindness and time.
This was after the move to Mt. Carmel.

Mike
Piedade, Pico, Cedros, Fayal

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On 6:04pm, Jan 22, 2017, at 6:04pm, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>I'll keep that in mind, but in the meantime, I need to know if anyone
>has
>gone there recently and utilized the books.  Thanks!
>
>Cheri Mello
>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira
>Quente,
>Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada
>
>On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 1:01 PM, "E" Sharp 
>wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>>
>> If you don't need it anytime soon, I will be back there beginning
>August
>> for Madeira festival and I am going Mt. Carmel for a St. John's
>marriage
>> record also.  I am also going to the NB Vital Records for the papers
>that
>> were actually filled out by bride and groom to obtain license. I
>believe
>> they are not easily accessible so I am hoping they will humor me and
>try to
>> find them.  I have them on another couple and they had even more info
>on
>> them (even though it proved to be incorrect info!!??!!)
>>
>> "E".
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Display issue on the Passaportes

[Michael Gilfilian]

I only get half of it as well and I tried chrome, Firefox, IE, Edge and Tor.

On Dec 27, 2016 12:18 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> I was using the Ponta Delgada Passaportes last night. As I went through
> image 120, 121, etc, I came to image 130. Only half the image loaded. I
> tried the image after. It completely loaded. Since I was on Firefox, I
> tried Chrome. It didn't load there. I emailed the CCA and they said to use
> Internet Explorer (on one image??) I have a newer computer and they don't
> have IE anymore. They have Edge. I had the same display program. What do
> you guys see? Any idea of how to get that one image to display?
> http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/
> PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915/PASSAPORTES-PDL-1913-1915_item1/P130.html
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mindset or How to get your brain to "read" the records

[Michael Gilfilian]

I like it!!!

On Nov 26, 2016 4:44 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Some of you know that I'm a teacher and I come from the world of
> education. This list is an educational tool to help you learn to research
> various records that will lead you to your freguesia (village) and then how
> to "read" those records.
>
> When teaching my students, I've always said that ability to succeed was
> only 50%. The other 50% is the negative self-talk or negative beliefs one
> has about themselves in the subject. Same is true for "reading" the
> records. Or learning to understand DNA.
>
> This blurb came up in one of my education groups. A good chunk of it is
> applicable to genealogy as well. They are calling it "fixed mindset" versus
> "growth mindset." I guess that's better than me saying "Psyche yourself up
> not psyche yourself out." Here goes:
>
> Don't say: I'm not good at this.
> Do say: What am I missing?
>
> Don't say: I'm awesome at this.
> Do say: I'm on the right track.
>
> Don't say: I give up.
> Do say: I'll use some of the strategies we've learned.
>
> Don't say: This is too hard.
> Do say: This may take some time and effort.
>
> Don't say: I can't make this any better.
> Do say: I can always improve so I'll keep trying.
>
> Don't say: I just can't do .
> Do say: I'm going to train my brain in _.
>
> Don't say: I made a mistake.
> Do say: Mistakes help me to learn better.
>
> Don't say: She's so smart. I'll never be that smart.
> Do say: I'm going to figure out how she does it.
>
> Don't say: It's good enough.
> Do say: Is it really my best work?
>
> Don't say: Plan A didn't work.
> Do say: Good thing the alphabet has 25 more letters (in the English
> language).
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] translation

[Michael Gilfilian]

Thank you both so much, it was the first thing I found by myself in almost
4 yrs.

On Sep 30, 2016 7:46 AM,  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Mike,
>
> I see the name and date as you said and Gayle confirmed.  It further says
> he died in a house at a place called Miradoura in the freguesia of NS da
> Piedade and received the Sacraments.  It says he was married to Francisca
> dos Anjos (I assume his wife is still alive since it doesn't say "viuvo"),
> and 92 years old (also consistent with what Gayle said about before his
> 93rd birthday).  He was native of this parish and lived at the above
> referred to locale.  It also says he was legitimate son of Francisco Leal
> and Anna Maria.  I think it then says he didn't make a testament, did leave
> children (doesn't say how many), and was buried in the public cemetery of
> this parish.
>
> I hope this helps.
>
> Bill Seidler
>
> On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 2:17:09 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gayle, does the rest of it say anything interesting?
>>
>> On Friday, September 30, 2016 at 12:36:21 AM UTC-4, good...@aol.com
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> You have the name and date correct. (I double checked what I read here
>>> against CITCEM.) Is the date what you were questioning ?
>>>
>>> I noticed that, according to CITCEM, Jose died 3 days shy of his 93rd
>>> birthday. That was a long life in the 1890s.
>>>
>>> Gayle
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sep 29, 2016, at 8:51 PM, Mike  wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm not very good at finding anything but I'm pretty sure this is my
>>> GGGgrandfather's obituary Jose Leal da Rosa It should say Jan 16, 1899
>>>
>>> The first link it's on the bottom of page then next page it carries to
>>> the top of next page. I'm really hoping after all this time I found one on
>>> my own.
>>> Thank You so much Mike
>>> Piedade, Pico,  Cedros Fayal
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-
>>> PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P157.html
>>>
>>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/PIC-LJ-
>>> PIEDADE-O-1890-1899/PIC-LJ-PIEDADE-O-1890-1899_item1/P158.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Future Azores Conference planning for Salt Lake City

[Michael Gilfilian]

I haven't been able to attend yet, but here in the northeast that is
usually the first  week of school for those with kids or grandkids to watch
like myself.
Mike

Mr. Gil
On Apr 18, 2015 6:41 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Airfares fluctuate all over the place depending on when you book too.
> Cheri
>
> On Sat, Apr 18, 2015 at 3:30 PM, 'abbykats' via Azores Genealogy <
> azores@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Cheri,
>> Don't think there would be a problem for anyone traveling out of town for
>> that holiday would already be at their destination(s).  So shouldn't be
>> problem.  Not sure what the airfares would be though.  But that week is
>> good for me.
>> Barb
>>
>> God's love doesn't keep us from our  trials, His love & strength will
>> only helps us to get through them.  God is so merciful & faithful.  God
>> doesn't like Ugly.
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Friday, April 17, 2015 8:38 AM, Cheri Mello 
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Future planning for Salt Lake City (this has to do with some logistics on
>> the meeting room space)
>>
>> September 2016
>> Monday, Sept 5th = Labor Day
>> Tuesday, Sept 6th = Azores conference
>> Wed, Sept. 7th = Azores Conference
>> Thurs, Sept. 8th = Azores conference
>> Fri, Sept. 9th = Azores conference
>>
>> This would mean that people who need to fly would do so on Labor Day.  I
>> don't see Labor Day as a huge air travel day.  Neither does the Plaza
>> Hotel.  I'm wondering if we pick that week if it would help or hurt us.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Pinheiro born 1884 on Faial to Providence, Rhode Island 1912

[Michael Gilfilian]

My great grandfather was Joseph Pine, he was born Jose DA Rosa Pinheiro in
1893, Cedros, Faial. Worked as a servant for a family in Providence Rhode
Island as a teen. Married in 1917, had 2 sons, my grandpa for one. They
lived in South Dartmouth with gggrandpa, Joseph worked at the Gosnold
textile mill, his WWI draft reg lists a throat affliction and he died very
very early so possibly throat cancer something of the sort. That's where
the story ends though I can't find a death certificate that's it so I'm
stuck.
Mike

Mr. Gil
On Apr 2, 2015 1:35 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Repost for Joe Pine, jpine1947 at gmail.com
>
> My name is Joe Pine and a new member of this site. I am currently living
> in Gilbert,AZ. I grew up and lived until 10 years ago in Falmouth, MA. I am
> beginning to research my family tree on my fathers side. My paternal
> grandfather was born in Faial in 1884. I found a passenger list with his
> name, Salvador Pinheiro, that showed him landing in Providence, RI on
> Nov/24/1912. It also listed a Manuel Pinheiro as a contact person who was
> living in Taunton. I'm not sure if Manuel was a brother or another
> relative. I was wondering if the family name ( Pinheiro  or  Pine ) is
> familiar? I would appreciate any info you might have.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Brick wall comes crashing down thanks to CCA Horta passports

[Michael Gilfilian]

Is this familias of faialenese a book?

On Jan 7, 2015 12:31 PM, "Rosemarie Capodicci"  wrote:
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> This is so great, Nancy! According to Igor Espinola Franca's book of
Sao Roque do Pico, one of my lines came from Faial! Maybe that's where we
connect not in Pico at all. The only trouble is, it's way before the
marriage records start and they don't show in Familias da Faialenses! Oh
well, we know the DNA shows the conenctions, Prima!
>
>
> Rosemarie
> rcap...@gmail.com
> Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
> Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily
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> On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:26 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
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>> Great story!  The pieces are starting to fall into place.
>>
>> Nancy Jean has been working on her family for how many years before
finding this breakthrough?  Many,  many years!
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>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Italian Genealogical Searches

[Michael Gilfilian]

Joe it is pie-onl...@googlegroups.com,
I get help with Italian research there which I'm far better at than azorean
research
On Mar 18, 2014 12:07 PM, "Joseph Costa"  wrote:

> Hi all.  As I've said before, I'm 100% Portuguese (Azorean descent).
>  However, I have half-sisters who are half Italian. Does anyone know if
> there is a similar Google Group for Italian ancestry and if there is
> someone who can help search for and translate Italian ancestry records?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] pictures

[Michael Gilfilian]

Manny and Nancy I don't know how I'll ever be able to think you for taking
pictures for me on your trip as doug said the area where our families from
is near the cemetery anti Dade there's for any specific role door place
where my family lived I have no idea. And thank you for the suggestions
about obtaining pictures from that is Azorean Embassy of that I may even
try AAA thank you thank you thank you Mike
On Mar 6, 2014 11:09 PM, "Manuel Martins"  wrote:

>  I will be in Pico in June,  I can swing by Piedade and take photos,  do
> you have a particular location there?
> As for Cedros, I can go across to Faial.
>
> I will look on the web for photos of Piedade and send you the links
>
> Manny
> On 3/6/2014 9:31 PM, rcapodc wrote:
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>  Mike, if someone does not have pictures you might try your luck on EBay.
> If you type in Azores and the Island name pictures and postcards will show
> up.
>
> Rosemarie
>
>
>  *From:* Mike 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 06, 2014 6:23 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] pictures
>
>  I have a huge favor to ask,  the chances of me ever getting to the
> Azores due to health issues are slim to none.  So iw was w wondering if any
> of you have been to Piedade, Pico or to Cedros, Faial might be willing to
> share some pictures with me of the area?
> I know I'm asking allot and if you say no I understand, I have one picture
> from there of my GGgrand mother and a daughter in Cedros. Or if you know of
> a website or book that shows the areas?
> Mike
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Problem with server

[Michael Gilfilian]

I know,  but the da, de, dos used to be there in my Piedade, Pico family.
for my family on Faial those are still the names. I thought I was losing my
marbles but something has been changed...
On Mar 5, 2014 10:15 AM, "nancy jean baptiste" 
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> Hi Mike,
>
> Jose Leal da Rosa does not come up in Piedade if you use the da...however,
> he's there if you just put in Jose Leal Rosa. He married twice, died at 92.
>
> Nancy Jean
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> From: mgilfilia...@gmail.com
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Problem with server
>
> my question has to do with the Mihno website(Neps) can someone do me the
> favor of going on and do a quick check fo me in Piedade on Pico? try
> searching for Jose Leal da Rosa, he'll be born in 1806 died 1899.
> I can't find anyone who I have the paperwork proving they are from there.
> I just want to know if its the site or my computer? I can find names in
> Piedade from people not in my tree I just can't look at who is.
> Thanks, Mike
>
> On Saturday, March 1, 2014 1:54:16 PM UTC-5, Pat Sylvia wrote:
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>
> Hi, I was wondering if anyone is having trouble with the CCA server. I
> haven't been able to get on for about 5 hours.
>
> Pat Mello
>
> Winter snow warning for New England for tomorrow. Heavy snow into Monday '
> Here we go again
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to next

[Michael Gilfilian]

Hi list, I have a question regarding age at marriage, I know as fact thanks
to my cousin Mr.Doug Holmes that my GGgrandma was born in 1868. When I
first started this journey I had my GGgranda born in 1867, it seems that he
is getting progressively younger than she is, so would it be the exception
that he would marry a woman up to possibly 9 yrs older once over here? Or
wouldn't that make any difference?
Mike
On Nov 5, 2013 12:33 PM, "Judi Phillips"  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> Ancestry has US Naturalization Index for Antonio S. Pereira living in
> Portsmouth, born in Fayal 29 July 1877, arriving in US 22 Jun 1894,
> naturalized 17 Sep 1901.  Certificate # (p) 9589, US District Court,
> Providence, RI .   The records should be at the National Archives in
> Waltham, MA.  You can call them at 866/406-2379 and ask the procedure.  I
> got records years ago using my credit card over the phone.  Make sure
> you give them the certificate number.
> Good luck
> Judi
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> From: mgilfilia...@gmail.com
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> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where to next
>
> I've been trying to find my GGgrandfathers naturalization paperwork
> without much luck, I'm hoping that there would be more specific info just
> to make certain who I think he is, is really him.
> In an interview in the Standard Times in New Bedford, Ma on March 30, 1941
> he states he became a citizen on 9/5/1901. He then took his wife and
> daughter to Fayal 28 days later on 9/29/1901, he claimes to have returned
> with his family on March 17th, 1902 but it was actually on May 17th, 1902
> aboard the ship Peninsular with his wife and daughter.
> He was Antone Perry Sr. (Antonio Silveira Pereira), his wife Mary Perry
> (Maria Leal da Rosa), and my Ggrandma Mary Perry (Maria Pereira)
> Now on paper he seems to get the date of the day correct, but yet he's
> almost always wrong about the year.
> I looked for his naturalization and passport at the local level, county
> level, state level, Nara, US immigration index search, I've also asked the
> courts at the town, city, county, state and federal levels and they tell me
> they have nothing. As for me trying to find him or anyone else in the CCA
> records I'm almost ready to concede defeat, I can hardly match up the
> information I have recieved from all of you with your translations.
> Can anyone help point me the right direction?
>
> Mike,
> Piedade, Pico, Cedros, Faial
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] passenger list

[Michael Gilfilian]

On the old Neps site there is a family from Cedros that has his given name
of Jose da Rosa Pinheiro, it list a sister Francisca who was here as well,
and his parents names match his marriage cert. Except for his mother's
middle name, but whoever recorded it down here might have not understood
the middle name he spoke of. His parents are both listed of death in
Cedros, but they could still have come for a bit. The census tip for RI is
next on my list. Thanks for any help I receive!
On Oct 3, 2013 1:26 AM, "Dano"  wrote:

> I've never run across anyone "going to the Azores" to seek domestic help,
> but, I guess it could have occured. It was common during that time,
> however, that American whaling ships docked in Faial, or, one of the other
> islands, to sign on help for their ship's company. Or, your GGF could have
> immigrated with his own family, or, with a relative, and, after arrival,
> was referred to a wealthy family by another person in the community. If you
> live in RI, and know the names of his parents you, may find them on the
> passenger list of a ship that arrived at the Port of Providence. The RI
> Historical Society Library, located at 121 Hope St., Providence, RI, has a
> collection of NARA microfilms of passenger lists of ships that arrived in
> Providence during that period. Also, did you know that the State of RI
> conducted a State Census every fifth year after the US Census, up until
> 1935. The State Census collection is housed at the RI State Archive,
> located at 337 Westminster St., Providence, RI. You may be able to access
> the RI State Census at www.familysearch.org.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Genealogy Bank Lookup

[Michael Gilfilian]

Pam I just tried looking them up and can not find an odit for either one


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 2:02 AM, Pam Santos  wrote:

> Can anyone who has access to this site can they do a obit look up for a
> Fred Santos who died on 29 Nov 1965 in Santa Clara Co, CA? Would greatly
> appreciate it.or his sister Mary Feroli who died same place on 13 Jan 1992.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Portuguese Genealogy Chat

[Michael Gilfilian]

Not last night during the chat when I was there, but the lazy couple of
weeks I've been having issues with Firefox freezing. I've had to ctrl, alt,
delete to close it. So I've gone to a different browser for now...Mike
On May 10, 2013 4:42 PM, "John Vasconcelos"  wrote:

> *HI George,
> *
> *Just a note to explain why I disappeared from the Wednesday chat. I was
> at the Artesia band room for our Wednesday evening band rehearsal which
> starts at 6:30 pm PT. Thought I would pop to the chat in for a few minutes
> before rehearsal started. When I tried to say a few words, the browser
> froze up and about that time  the rehearsal started so I left before I
> could figure out what was going on. Question: I was logged in on Firefox,
> not Internet Explorer. could that have caused the problem?? Cheri was also
> there since she plays flute and piccolo in the Artesia Band.  I play
> Trombone.
> *
> *Regards,
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> *John Vasconcelos*
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] congratulations Lionel Rocha Holmes

[Michael Gilfilian]

Happy Birthday Lionel, still my newest 4th cousin. Congrats on 94 yrs and
still going strong...
On Apr 3, 2013 1:01 AM,  wrote:

> While it's still April 2nd, I thought I would tell all our cousins on this
> list that today my father reached the age of 94 years.
>
> He is still an active list member, attending tonight's PHCS monthly
> meeting as a board member, always active in Portuguese cultural events and
> genealogy.
>
> My congratulations and Happy Birthday!
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

[Michael Gilfilian]

On Mar 8, 2013 4:43 PM, "Michael Gilfilian"  wrote:
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> When i spoke to the woman at the cemetery, she said that if someone such
as a relative, close friend, neighbor, and they didn't have the money for a
burial plot families would let them use a grave on theirs. So in our
family, Manuel j Leal who as Doug said was quite well off more than likely
bought the 6 grave burial plot. now along the edge of plot in 1883 there
was a 4 month old infant girl buried who to my knowledge is not relation,
then manual who died at the age of 40 was buried in 1886 in grave 1. Then
again in 1893 another young infant girl of 9 months was buried along the
edge also. Now since Manuel had passed and my GG grandfather was probably
in charge of the plot when Joao Pacheco. To make sure there was going to be
enough room for more family in 1918 he said for Joao to be buried on top of
Manuel. In the 2nd grave is my GG grandmother Maria Leal da Rosa buried in
1932, in the 3rd grave is my GG grandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira in
1957. In 4th grave is their son Antonio jr. buried in 1975. That leaves
graves 5&6 open. In Bristol county a number of the cemeteries don't have
any plots left to sell so they have closed all the individual offices and
brought their dad to day operation to one new entity. Empty graves owned by
families will still be there for future use.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

[Michael Gilfilian]

When i spoke to the woman at the cemetery, she said that if someone such as
a relative, close friend, neighbor, and they didn't have the money for a
burial plot families would let them use a grave on theirs. So in our
family, Manuel j Leal who as Doug said was quite well off more than likely
bought the 6 grave burial plot. now along the edge of plot in 1883 there
was a 4 month old infant girl buried who to my knowledge is not relation,
then manual who died at the age of 40 was buried in 1886 in grave 1. Then
again in 1893 another young infant girl of 9 months was buried along the
edge also. Now since Manuel had passed and my GG grandfather was probably
in charge of the plot when Joao Pacheco. To make sure there was going to be
enough room for more family in 1918 he said for Joao to be buried on top of
Manuel. In the 2nd grave is my GG grandmother Maria Leal da Rosa buried in
1932, in the 3rd grave is my GG grandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira in
1957. In 4th grave is their son Antonio jr. buried in 1975. That leaves
graves 5&6 open. In Bristol county a number of the cemeteries don't have
any plots left to sell so they have closed all the individual offices and
brought their dad to day operation to one new entity. Empty graves owned by
families will still be there for future use.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials

[Michael Gilfilian]

Doug, I agree with you, since he is related to your dad and your self and
you and i are related, I'm figuring that Manuel J Leal is related to my
great grandmother Maria Leal da Rosa, i just don't know where the link is
yet...mike
On Mar 8, 2013 7:53 AM, "Mike Gilfilian" 
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> *
> *
> *Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID*
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>
> p...@dholmes.com wrote:
>
> Hi Shirl,
>
> Do you have any idea how or why that happens?
>
> I can understand that for the Azores, because if some family doesn't pay
> for the upkeep, it will be used by anyone else.
>
> My grandfather is buried in the Conceição, Angra cemetery and I don't
> remember now, but there are many others buried in that same spot. I think
> some are related, but not sure if they all are.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] burials
> From: Shirl Sereque 
> Date: Fri, March 08, 2013 12:20 am
> To: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
>
> Hi!
>   A lady not related to us at all is buried over my grandmother, in
> Boston.  Just a thought to ponder, Doug.
> - Shirl -
>
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> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 8, 2013 1:28 AM
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Pacheco!!! How many they are?!?!?!
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> I don't know this João J. Pacheco, either.
> Since the first person in the grave is my ancestor - the same one who
> married my ancestor from Chile - I think those who followed in being buried
> there are more likely friends or in-laws of your ancestor's generation.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Maria Pacheco!!! How many they are?!?!?!

[Michael Gilfilian]

I have in the same 6 grave plot as my GGgrandparents in the St.John the
Baptist cemetery in mass. A Joao J. Pacheco, he is listed as being 92 yrs
old. He died in Nov 1918 and was buried on November 30, 1918. Now the
interesting thing is. He's buried on top of Manuel J. Leal who is a close
relative of Doug Da Rocha Holmes and his father. I'm connected to Dougs
father as 4th cousins and also to Doug as well.
Do any of you know who this Mr. Pacheco is?
Mike Gilfilian
Piedade, Pico& Cedros,Faial
On Mar 7, 2013 11:55 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Nah, they have better grapes on Eliseu's side of Sao Miguel!
>
> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:43 AM, eric edgar  wrote:
>
>> Eliseu,
>>
>> I have over 1100 people in my Flores and Pico databases, but not one
>> Maria Pacheco. There are some surnames specific  to certain islands or
>> island groups.
>>
>> I do have about 150 each Maria and Manuel Rodrigues.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 8:33 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Eliseu,
>>>
>>> I have 7 Maria Pachecos in my database.  I may have more that I need to
>>> enter.
>>>
>>> One of them I have no other information on.  Two of them I have research
>>> for only 1 generation and they don't have a Pacheco parent.  Another one I
>>> have research only for her paternal side and there's no Pacheco there
>>> (hmmm, that probably means I have the info for her maternal side
>>> somewhere)!  The remaining 3 Marias do have a Pacheco ancestor.  Two of
>>> them have a parent as a Pacheco and the third Maria has a grandparent as
>>> the Pacheco.
>>>
>>> Since I don't know about Portuguese history, is there a famous Pacheco?
>>> Would many people want that name because it is thought to be a good name?
>>> That's the only thing I can think of right now (beside my attempt at humor
>>> with my wine comment).
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
>>> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ancestry

[Michael Gilfilian]

You won't believe it, this morning it was all there, so i changed my
password, we'll see
On Dec 17, 2012 11:27 AM,  wrote:

> I have a subscription on Ancestry and I just checked.  All my information
> is there and there appears to be no issues.  Sorry to hear about your
> problem.  I would contact Ancestry and have them sort out the problem.
>
> Deb
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Mike 
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Mon, 17 Dec 2012 04:37:30 - (UTC)
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] ancestry
>
> Do any of you use ancestry? I went to look at some information there and
> my subscription, my trees everything was gone and they say my user name or
> email doesn't exist. Luckily I made the investment into family tree maker
> and still have everything.
> Has this happened to anyone else?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him

[Michael Gilfilian]

His fathers name was also Antonio Silveira Pereira and his mothers name was
Marianna(Mareanna)? Silveira da Silveira. Her first name has been spelled
both ways...anyone recognize her?
On Oct 3, 2012 3:44 PM, "Michael Gilfilian"  wrote:

> Antonio Silveira Pereira, a very popular name from what I find. Born about
> 1867 where on island I don't know.
> On Oct 2, 2012 10:01 PM, "Shirley Allegre" 
> wrote:
>
>> **
>> Who was your grgrandfather on Faial?
>> My husband has ancestors from Faial.
>>
>> Shirley in CA
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Mike 
>> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:32 PM
>> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him
>>
>> hey Leanne, as you can tell by my Ggrandfather's birthdate I'm no where
>> near as far back as you are, maybe someday, my next major stumbling block
>> is my GGgrandfather and where on Faial he came from,
>>
>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 5:40:34 PM UTC-4, Leanne Anysia wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike -
>>>
>>> The earliest ancestor I can trace on my mother's father's side was a man
>>> named Joao Pinheiro (possibly also Botelho), who was born in 1590 and
>>> married to Beatriz Vieira Goncalves. Joao's church records claims he was
>>> born in Cedros, but my research states that Cedros was not founded until
>>> 1594, so this may be inaccurate. Do let me know if you trace your Pinheiro
>>> family back that far and we can compare!
>>>
>>> Congrats. :)
>>>
>>> - Leanne
>>>
>>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:10:32 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>>>>
>>>> My great grandfathers name was Jose da Rosa Pinheiro
>>>>
>>>> José, legitimate son of José da Rosa Pinheiro, farmer, native of
>>>> Cedros, and Luísa Emília da Silveira, native of Salão, both married in
>>>> Cedros, where they live in Canada do Sousa, paternal grandson of unknown
>>>> grandfather and Rosa Vicência and maternal of José Silveira de Medeiros and
>>>> Rosa Emília, was born at 7 a.m., on 2 November 1893 and was baptized on the
>>>> 8th, in Cedros. Godparents were João Silveira Pinheiro, farmer, and
>>>> his wife Maria Perpétua da Silveira. The godparents cannot write.
>>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM,  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **
>>>>> Mike, I am happy for you!
>>>>>
>>>>> Mind telling us his full name & birthdate & his parents and
>>>>> grandparents from the baptismo that Joao found for you? Always looking for
>>>>> cousins from Cedros, Salao & Ribeirinha.
>>>>>
>>>>> Al
>>>>>
>>>>>  In a message dated 9/27/2012 9:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>>>> mgilfi...@gmail.com writes:
>>>>>
>>>>> Well we found him finally
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Off Topic - Computer Question - How to restore deleted mail folder

[Michael Gilfilian]

I bought a 3Tb external hdd, and it automatically backsup my entire laptop
hdd everynight.
On Oct 5, 2012 12:54 PM, "Leonard Silva"  wrote:

> Too late perhaps, but I have become a very strong advocate of online
> backup like Carbonite.  It works completely in the background, nothing to
> remember or schedule and you access your files remotely.  It even retains
> the last few versions of a document after you have saved it.
>
> On Wednesday, October 3, 2012 4:28:13 PM UTC-4, belle...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> A new found family member deleted one of her family mail folders,
>> particularly the one I had sent her a lot of information she had on it. She
>> has Outlook Express. We suggested she check the Recycle Bin but it is not
>> there. She checked her backup but it was dated July. I know when I did this
>> it was in my Recycle Bin but it is not in hers. Any suggestion - I told her
>> we have a lot of experts on this site.
>>
>> Elaine
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him

[Michael Gilfilian]

Antonio Silveira Pereira, a very popular name from what I find. Born about
1867 where on island I don't know.
On Oct 2, 2012 10:01 PM, "Shirley Allegre"  wrote:

> **
> Who was your grgrandfather on Faial?
> My husband has ancestors from Faial.
>
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Mike 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him
>
> hey Leanne, as you can tell by my Ggrandfather's birthdate I'm no where
> near as far back as you are, maybe someday, my next major stumbling block
> is my GGgrandfather and where on Faial he came from,
>
> On Friday, September 28, 2012 5:40:34 PM UTC-4, Leanne Anysia wrote:
>>
>> Mike -
>>
>> The earliest ancestor I can trace on my mother's father's side was a man
>> named Joao Pinheiro (possibly also Botelho), who was born in 1590 and
>> married to Beatriz Vieira Goncalves. Joao's church records claims he was
>> born in Cedros, but my research states that Cedros was not founded until
>> 1594, so this may be inaccurate. Do let me know if you trace your Pinheiro
>> family back that far and we can compare!
>>
>> Congrats. :)
>>
>> - Leanne
>>
>> On Thursday, September 27, 2012 8:10:32 AM UTC-7, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> My great grandfathers name was Jose da Rosa Pinheiro
>>>
>>> José, legitimate son of José da Rosa Pinheiro, farmer, native of Cedros,
>>> and Luísa Emília da Silveira, native of Salão, both married in Cedros,
>>> where they live in Canada do Sousa, paternal grandson of unknown
>>> grandfather and Rosa Vicência and maternal of José Silveira de Medeiros and
>>> Rosa Emília, was born at 7 a.m., on 2 November 1893 and was baptized on the
>>> 8th, in Cedros. Godparents were João Silveira Pinheiro, farmer, and his
>>> wife Maria Perpétua da Silveira. The godparents cannot write.
>>> On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM,  wrote:
>>>
 **
 Mike, I am happy for you!

 Mind telling us his full name & birthdate & his parents and
 grandparents from the baptismo that Joao found for you? Always looking for
 cousins from Cedros, Salao & Ribeirinha.

 Al

  In a message dated 9/27/2012 9:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
 mgilfi...@gmail.com writes:

 Well we found him finally

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] found him

[Michael Gilfilian]

My great grandfathers name was Jose da Rosa Pinheiro

José, legitimate son of José da Rosa Pinheiro, farmer, native of Cedros,
and Luísa Emília da Silveira, native of Salão, both married in Cedros,
where they live in Canada do Sousa, paternal grandson of unknown
grandfather and Rosa Vicência and maternal of José Silveira de Medeiros and
Rosa Emília, was born at 7 a.m., on 2 November 1893 and was baptized on the
8th, in Cedros. Godparents were João Silveira Pinheiro, farmer, and his
wife Maria Perpétua da Silveira. The godparents cannot write.
On Thu, Sep 27, 2012 at 10:00 AM,  wrote:

> **
> Mike, I am happy for you!
>
> Mind telling us his full name & birthdate & his parents and grandparents
> from the baptismo that Joao found for you? Always looking for cousins from
> Cedros, Salao & Ribeirinha.
>
> Al
>
>  In a message dated 9/27/2012 9:39:44 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Well we found him finally
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joaquim Francisco Avila

[Michael Gilfilian]

Shirley,
my great grandfather was from Faial to the best of our knowledge, his
portuguese name which I just learned was Jose da Rosa Pinheiro(Joseph
Pine), his father shared the same name exactly his mom was Luisa Augustine
da Silva. Does anyone have them in their tree somewhere? I'd like to find
out where they're from for sure.
Mike
Silveira Pereira/Faial; Leal da Rosa/Piedade,Pico; Pinheiro/Faial;  dos
Anjos/Piedade,Pico

On Sun, Sep 23, 2012 at 9:40 PM,  wrote:

> **
> No, they are from Praia do Almoxarife, mostly.
>
> Going further back I've found a group of Furtados, in Pedro Miguel.  This
> group of Ancestors is from the NEPS site, and I have not documented them
> yet.  Maybe next year.
>
>  Ally
> Vieira Anselmo ~ Sao Miguel
> Pinheiro & Nunes ~ Faial
>
>
>
>
>  In a message dated 9/22/2012 2:07:49 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time (Me,
> shir...@digitalpath.net writes:
>
> Ally:  My husband has PINHEIRO ancestors from Feteira, Faial.
>
> Are your Pinheiros from Feteira?
>
> Shirley in CA
>
>
> *om:* netadosaco...@aol.com
>
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Saturday, September 22, 2012 6:33 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joaquim Francisco Avila
>
> Celeste,
>
> Thank you, it's a reality check for all of us.  Patsy and I remind
> ourselves often, what we owe our Great Grandparents for their struggle to
> pay the family passage from Sao Miguel, working in Hawaii and settle in
> CA.  We have received the blessings of their sacrifices.
>
> Including the friendships of this group.
>
> Ally
> Vieira Anselmo  ~ Sao Miguel
> Pinheiro & Nunes ~ Faial
>
>
>  In a message dated 9/20/2012 11:44:17 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time (M,
> ccgran...@yahoo.com writes:
>
>  Fred, from my first trip to the continent in 1989 until my last trip to
> the Azores in 2009, I have not found any relatives that give 2 hoots about
> the dead ancestors.  I have felt I am looked upon as strange to be digging
> up the dead, as my mother used to say.
>
> Having said that, my connection to a genealogy researcher in the Azores
> has been a blessing.  He has met me in Porto, driven to the village where
> my grandfather was born, and onto the archives.  He has traced this branch
> of the family back to the beginning of the records and even found the
> father of someone whose baptismal records recorded the father as,
> "unknown."  This happened because he was searching for records of those who
> wanted to become priests and they had to "prove" they were catholic.  This
> does not happen very often; however, in my case it gave me more information
> than I would have been able to find.
>
> On one of my visits, I was even asked why I was spending time and money
> looking for ancestors.  The look that accompanied this question told me
> that, in most cases, the day to day struggle to feed the family, make a
> living and deal with many things we take for granted does not leave much
> time for even thinking of long ago family.
>
> The immediate living family I found to be very important.  I thought about
> this and realized when I visited cemeteries that, in most cases, there were
> not even grave markers beyond about the 1980's.  People lived, people died,
> those that live now are just struggling to keep on living.
>
> Hope this helps.  Celeste, Hayward, CA
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>   *From:* Frederick Souza 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 20, 2012 4:01 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joaquim Francisco Avila
>
>  Hi all,
>
> I have been getting and reading the many emails that come in through this
> site for the past couple of months and it has occurred to me that most of
> the communities in the Azores are quite small and everyone knows everyone
> else (indeed may be related at some level).  I have only been over there
> once and only met a small part of the family members who are there because
> as it was explained to me most of them live in a different town than where
> my grandparents grew up having moved there after Salazar left power when
> things vastly improved.
>
> My question is whether or not some of you who have been at this genealogy
> business for long time have found that the family members who are over
> there are in the least bit interested in tracing their roots.  Does one
> reach a point where you can get to a town where those who came to the US
> originated from and then find someone who has worked on the lineage back to
> the great great and further level?  Just wondering what to expect if I am
> ever able to get anywhere with this side of the pond because it would seem
> to make sense to somehow connect with a living human being on that end who
> has some info.
>
> Thoughts and suggestions greatly appreciated...
> Fred Souza
>  On Sep 20, 2012, at 12:10 AM, Robert Ross wrote:
>
>  Hello Linda,
>I have some some coincidences in my searches to yours (though there are
> stumbling blocks, too):
>Both of my maternal grandparents were born on Pico. Adelaide Car

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help

[Michael Gilfilian]

I just did, it doesn't show any more than what you already have in the image

On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 5:17 AM, joe m  wrote:

> if someone has a subscription to ancestry.com could you look up  the
> following couple in attachment,thanx.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Writing the family history

[Michael Gilfilian]

I'm sorry but there was no sort of human or love inducing part to that
monster Adolf Hitler and to include him in this discussion is just wrong...
On Sep 12, 2012 12:55 PM, "Frederick Souza"  wrote:

> I am more of the same mind as Leonard Silva who suggests that as
> researchers and chroniclers of genealogy and family history the future
> generations have the right to know what you have "uncovered" because this
> is in part study of pure history but it is also detective work of the most
> personal kind.
>
> To suggest that because there is not "hard evidence" to support a claim of
> something unsavory when one is barely able to find or decipher the "hard
> evidence" of birthdates and locations is to somehow only do part of the
> job.  To me it is a bit like saying that because OJ Simpson was acquitted,
> there was no basis for the arrest and subsequent trial.  One doesn't have
> to declare the guilt or innocence, but one should report the story.
>  Though, unlike criminal cases in US courts of law in which acquittal takes
> place, these "stories" may prompt further research into their accuracy
> which is what genealogy researchers are continuously doing.  Instead of
> guaranteeing that no further info will impact anything, this can lead to a
> whole other place.
>
> Further, as has been pointed out, some of these things are causative and
> genetically impact future generations, so they may help to explain serious
> illness-including alcoholism.
>
> As for the original post about the "kindly old man...I knew as a child",
> all of us have the capability to rise above what we are born with and also
> to "mend our ways".  Even someone like Hitler was human and capable of
> eliciting love in others.  So, don't give up on lifelong memories and the
> impact those have had on you who knew the person in one way, since that is
> also part of the "story" and the heritage, and might even be deserving of
> mention if you are going to formalize the less savory by writing it down.
>
> Fred Souza
>
>
> On Sep 11, 2012, at 5:31 PM, Dano wrote:
>
> As researchers we bear the responsibility of documenting facts, not
> gossip. Therefore, if we come across "stories" in our research, which
> disparage the memory of the person we are researching - we, who do not
> know what truth such stories carry, if there be any truth at all, have
> the ultimate responsibility not to perpetuate such "gossip," but, to
> provide an accurate and objective report on  the facts that our
> research have uncovered. By doing so, we can feel secure that we have
> provided the last decent account of a person's life - something that I
> would hope that anyone who researches my life would afford to me after
> I am gone and unable to speak up to defend myself.
> 
> On Sep 11, 9:41 am, Steve Peters  wrote:
>
> On Monday, September 10, 2012 11:36:16 AM UTC-7, Leonard Silva wrote:
>
>
> After some research, I find that the kindly old man that I knew as a child
>
>
> may not have been all that nice.  Stories are starting to arise of abuse,
>
> excessive drinking, and estrangement of his children...So, my question for
>
> the group is:  If you were putting together a family history for the
>
> generations to come, how would you handle this?
>
>
> I am in the minority on this one so far, but if I was one of the people you
>
> are writing this for I would definitely want to know the whole story. These
>
> kinds of things have a way of being carried down through future generations
>
> and impacting descendents who never even knew the person. One of my
>
> grandfathers was an alcoholic and philanderer, the other was a sociopath
>
> and convicted felon. The former died when I was three so I didn't know him
>
> well, but the latter died when I was in my 20s and I was quite close to
>
> him, and they both loved me. But their behaviors absolutely had a huge
>
> impact on my parents (and their mothers), which effected their life choices
>
> and in turn impacted me.
>
>
> Part of what is interesting about genealogy (to me) is knowing that I am,
>
> in part, a product of those who came before me, and trying to understand
>
> who those people were and how they may live on in me, in good ways and bad
>
> ways. The things we take for granted in ourselves - character traits,
>
> behaviors, ways of speaking, attitudes toward life - are always influenced
>
> by what we grew up with, and what we grew up with came from somewhere.
>
>
> So Leonard, I would encourage you to at least mention these things in your
>
> family history. Make it clear that they are unsubstantiated but persistent
>
> rumors, and that this was not your own experience with your grandfather,
>
> but assume that there may have been some truth to them. The point is not to
>
> judge your grandfather or defame him to future generations, but to give his
>
> descendents as accurate a picture as possible of where they came from and
>
> what, perha

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Writing the family history

[Michael Gilfilian]

That is a great story about your daughter, but I don't see an upside to
spoiling the vision that future generations of family may have about thier
grandparents,
On Sep 10, 2012 9:04 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Loved your story, John!
> Cheri Mello
> Listowner, Azores-Gen
> Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] IMPORTANT! PLEASE READ! Security Reminder

[Michael Gilfilian]

I saw that email with just a link this morning don't know how it got
through on my puter but I didn't open it, been getting a lot of phishing
emails from every where, especially the ones that want to offer you money,
nothing is free, Cheri is right b be careful...
On Sep 10, 2012 12:41 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Never, ever click on a link in an email that contains nothing but the
> link.  The spam filter for this group catches about 99% of them, but
> every once in a while, one slips through.  I can remove the offending
> post from the archive/web board, but not your mail box.  I also
> moderate the member until they get their computer cleaned or password
> reset or whatever may be the case.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather ... good news & bad news

[Michael Gilfilian]

Got to love that auto correct,...
On Sep 6, 2012 6:32 PM, "Michael Gilfilian"  wrote:

> This could be the right family because my mom told me about Ann ain't
> Francis they used to visit, and this family shows a sister Francis...
> On Sep 6, 2012 3:35 PM,  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Assuming that my hypothesis about the surnames of the marriage record, I
>> went looking for other PINE men and their origin. There was one who could
>> have been a close relative living in Middletown RI ... his origin was
>> Cedros, Faial just like you had some indication that your great grandfather
>> had as well. Since this man was also originally a PINHEIRO, I decided to
>> search the Cedros records. What I was initially going to look for was a
>> birth record for your great grandfather ... but 1894 is just a few years
>> too late to be sure that I would find it. So, I decided to look for
>> marriage records for a Jose Pinheiro who married a Louisa Silveira in
>> Cedros some time prior to 1894 ... found a parent pair with the right names.
>>
>> Jose da Rosa Pinheiro born 26 DEC 1855 married Luisa Emilia da Silveira
>> on 16 Feb 1882 (this might be a typo  as their first child
>> born 1893) in Cedros.
>> They had the following children:
>> Jose born 1893 ... this is probably your ggf.
>> Ana born 1896
>> Francisca 1897
>> Antonio 1900
>>
>> the bad news is that Jose da Rosa Pinheiro was born to an unwed mother.
>> Her name was
>> Rosa Francisca Vicencia born Cedros 18 May 1831 to parents: Jose da Rosa
>> de Faria and Vicencia da Rosa Silveira. So, at least you'll be able to
>> trace back from here on his mother's ancestry ... this is exactly what I
>> ran into with my gf.
>>
>> The problem with this data set is that this Jose Pinheiro was born 2
>> November 1893 ... NOT the same birthdate as found in the WW1 draft record.
>> I do not know how to resolve that problem.
>>
>> I still would look further for church records and try to locate EVERY
>> record that you can find here in USA that pertains to any member of this
>> family.
>>
>> If the above turns out to be the right family the records take you back
>> very quickly to 1600.
>>
>> Al
>>
>>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:20:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> It could have been because my great great grandfather became a citizen
>> and it was probably naturally change the last name to Perry I'll have to
>> check maybe it was Saint Marys that they're priest was associated with um
>> but I know for sure wasn't Saint John the Baptist because I already checked
>> there
>> On Sep 6, 2012 1:17 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> Mike,
>>> If you try to find the church marriage record, look in New Bedford.
>>> That is where they were married even though the event was "recorded" in
>>> Dartmouth. Also, the priest was of New Bedford.
>>>
>>> I, too, would have thought his name would have been Pinheiro and was
>>> surprised when I saw the marriage record for Joseph Pine & Mary Perry
>>> recorded Dartmouth 19 May 1917 as having taken place in New Bedford. His
>>> parents are listed as "Joseph & Louise Silveira" while her parents are
>>> listed as "Antonio & Mary Leal"  why is she being married as Mary
>>> Perry then? This is first marriage for both. She is age 18 and born
>>> Fairhaven, MA ... so about 1898-1899?
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:05:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> fsouz...@comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> If he died in this country, you may be able to find a death certificate
>>> through the town clerk of the town in which he died.  You are sure he was
>>> born on the "other side" ,   I am going to guess though the name is
>>> probably  Jose Pinheiro or Jose Pineiro or something like that since Jose
>>> Pinheiro would literally translate to Joseph Pine.
>>>
>>> Also, have you had any luck with looking at the 1920 census?
>>>
>>> Fred
>>>  On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mike wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again,
>>> I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine
>>> He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in
>>> Fairhaven, Mass.
>>> He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my
>>> grandp

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather ... good news & bad news

[Michael Gilfilian]

This could be the right family because my mom told me about Ann ain't
Francis they used to visit, and this family shows a sister Francis...
On Sep 6, 2012 3:35 PM,  wrote:

> **
> Assuming that my hypothesis about the surnames of the marriage record, I
> went looking for other PINE men and their origin. There was one who could
> have been a close relative living in Middletown RI ... his origin was
> Cedros, Faial just like you had some indication that your great grandfather
> had as well. Since this man was also originally a PINHEIRO, I decided to
> search the Cedros records. What I was initially going to look for was a
> birth record for your great grandfather ... but 1894 is just a few years
> too late to be sure that I would find it. So, I decided to look for
> marriage records for a Jose Pinheiro who married a Louisa Silveira in
> Cedros some time prior to 1894 ... found a parent pair with the right names.
>
> Jose da Rosa Pinheiro born 26 DEC 1855 married Luisa Emilia da Silveira on
> 16 Feb 1882 (this might be a typo  as their first child born
> 1893) in Cedros.
> They had the following children:
> Jose born 1893 ... this is probably your ggf.
> Ana born 1896
> Francisca 1897
> Antonio 1900
>
> the bad news is that Jose da Rosa Pinheiro was born to an unwed mother.
> Her name was
> Rosa Francisca Vicencia born Cedros 18 May 1831 to parents: Jose da Rosa
> de Faria and Vicencia da Rosa Silveira. So, at least you'll be able to
> trace back from here on his mother's ancestry ... this is exactly what I
> ran into with my gf.
>
> The problem with this data set is that this Jose Pinheiro was born 2
> November 1893 ... NOT the same birthdate as found in the WW1 draft record.
> I do not know how to resolve that problem.
>
> I still would look further for church records and try to locate EVERY
> record that you can find here in USA that pertains to any member of this
> family.
>
> If the above turns out to be the right family the records take you back
> very quickly to 1600.
>
> Al
>
>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:20:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:
>
> It could have been because my great great grandfather became a citizen and
> it was probably naturally change the last name to Perry I'll have to check
> maybe it was Saint Marys that they're priest was associated with um but I
> know for sure wasn't Saint John the Baptist because I already checked there
> On Sep 6, 2012 1:17 PM,  wrote:
>
>> **
>> Mike,
>> If you try to find the church marriage record, look in New Bedford.
>> That is where they were married even though the event was "recorded" in
>> Dartmouth. Also, the priest was of New Bedford.
>>
>> I, too, would have thought his name would have been Pinheiro and was
>> surprised when I saw the marriage record for Joseph Pine & Mary Perry
>> recorded Dartmouth 19 May 1917 as having taken place in New Bedford. His
>> parents are listed as "Joseph & Louise Silveira" while her parents are
>> listed as "Antonio & Mary Leal"  why is she being married as Mary
>> Perry then? This is first marriage for both. She is age 18 and born
>> Fairhaven, MA ... so about 1898-1899?
>>
>> Al
>>
>>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:05:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> fsouz...@comcast.net writes:
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> If he died in this country, you may be able to find a death certificate
>> through the town clerk of the town in which he died.  You are sure he was
>> born on the "other side" ,   I am going to guess though the name is
>> probably  Jose Pinheiro or Jose Pineiro or something like that since Jose
>> Pinheiro would literally translate to Joseph Pine.
>>
>> Also, have you had any luck with looking at the 1920 census?
>>
>> Fred
>>  On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mike wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again,
>> I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine
>> He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven,
>> Mass.
>> He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's
>> birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his
>> throat affliction.
>> He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth,
>> Mass
>> This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so
>> young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't
>> know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything.
>> Mike
>> searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ??
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather

[Michael Gilfilian]

Yes my grt grandmother was born sept, 5th, 1898. She was married three
times before she died in 1983, i'm lucky enough to be the oldest grand
child and got to see her, she almost made it to my wedding...
On Sep 6, 2012 1:17 PM,  wrote:

> **
> Mike,
> If you try to find the church marriage record, look in New Bedford.
> That is where they were married even though the event was "recorded" in
> Dartmouth. Also, the priest was of New Bedford.
>
> I, too, would have thought his name would have been Pinheiro and was
> surprised when I saw the marriage record for Joseph Pine & Mary Perry
> recorded Dartmouth 19 May 1917 as having taken place in New Bedford. His
> parents are listed as "Joseph & Louise Silveira" while her parents are
> listed as "Antonio & Mary Leal"  why is she being married as Mary
> Perry then? This is first marriage for both. She is age 18 and born
> Fairhaven, MA ... so about 1898-1899?
>
> Al
>
>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:05:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> fsouz...@comcast.net writes:
>
> Mike,
>
> If he died in this country, you may be able to find a death certificate
> through the town clerk of the town in which he died.  You are sure he was
> born on the "other side" ,   I am going to guess though the name is
> probably  Jose Pinheiro or Jose Pineiro or something like that since Jose
> Pinheiro would literally translate to Joseph Pine.
>
> Also, have you had any luck with looking at the 1920 census?
>
> Fred
>  On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again,
> I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine
> He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven,
> Mass.
> He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's
> birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his
> throat affliction.
> He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth,
> Mass
> This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so
> young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't
> know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything.
> Mike
> searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ??
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather

[Michael Gilfilian]

It could have been because my great great grandfather became a citizen and
it was probably naturally change the last name to Perry I'll have to check
maybe it was Saint Marys that they're priest was associated with um but I
know for sure wasn't Saint John the Baptist because I already checked there
On Sep 6, 2012 1:17 PM,  wrote:

> **
> Mike,
> If you try to find the church marriage record, look in New Bedford.
> That is where they were married even though the event was "recorded" in
> Dartmouth. Also, the priest was of New Bedford.
>
> I, too, would have thought his name would have been Pinheiro and was
> surprised when I saw the marriage record for Joseph Pine & Mary Perry
> recorded Dartmouth 19 May 1917 as having taken place in New Bedford. His
> parents are listed as "Joseph & Louise Silveira" while her parents are
> listed as "Antonio & Mary Leal"  why is she being married as Mary
> Perry then? This is first marriage for both. She is age 18 and born
> Fairhaven, MA ... so about 1898-1899?
>
> Al
>
>  In a message dated 9/6/2012 1:05:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> fsouz...@comcast.net writes:
>
> Mike,
>
> If he died in this country, you may be able to find a death certificate
> through the town clerk of the town in which he died.  You are sure he was
> born on the "other side" ,   I am going to guess though the name is
> probably  Jose Pinheiro or Jose Pineiro or something like that since Jose
> Pinheiro would literally translate to Joseph Pine.
>
> Also, have you had any luck with looking at the 1920 census?
>
> Fred
>  On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again,
> I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine
> He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven,
> Mass.
> He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's
> birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his
> throat affliction.
> He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth,
> Mass
> This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so
> young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't
> know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything.
> Mike
> searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ??
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] great grandfather

[Michael Gilfilian]

In the 1920 census they lived with his wifes family in Dartmouth on
Rockland street. Trying to find church might help, I know it wasn't Saint
John the Baptist Church in New Bedford so I'll have to try and find which
church the priest name was associated with in that area hopefully Fairhaven
something like that
On Sep 6, 2012 1:05 PM, "Frederick Souza"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> If he died in this country, you may be able to find a death certificate
> through the town clerk of the town in which he died.  You are sure he was
> born on the "other side" ,   I am going to guess though the name is
> probably  Jose Pinheiro or Jose Pineiro or something like that since Jose
> Pinheiro would literally translate to Joseph Pine.
>
> Also, have you had any luck with looking at the 1920 census?
>
> Fred
> On Sep 6, 2012, at 9:11 AM, Mike wrote:
>
> I'm going to try and find information on my great grandfather again,
> I know his anglicized name was Joseph Pine
> He was born 23 October 1894 from his WWI draft registration in Fairhaven,
> Mass.
> He died between 1918 and Oct 1924, these dates coincide with my grandpa's
> birthday and my grt grandmas 2nd marriage, his WWI record confirms his
> throat affliction.
> He married my great grandma Maria Pereira on May 19, 1917 in Dartmouth,
> Mass
> This is all I could find and verify that's it him, because he died so
> young, my mother and grandmother don't know anything about him, I don't
> know where to go next or if I even have enough to find anything.
> Mike
> searching, Piedade, Pico and Faial ??
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help offer

[Michael Gilfilian]

Ok her name explains what I've been seeing
On Aug 31, 2012 5:07 PM, "Carol Lobo"  wrote:

> **
> Yes, they did stay, purchased a one story cottage in Edgeartown on Jul7
> 16, 1857, then relocated in 1861 to 7 Jenney Street, in New Bedford, he
> died  on Aug 21, 1870 , buried in Catholic Burial Grounds at St. Mary's
> Church in new bedford.  Later was moved by his son William M Wood (the
> Woolen Mill King).
> I am e-mailing you their marriage record, altho in the records she is know
> as Amelia Christiana born Pico on Dec 25, 1838,
>
> Joao is researching Pico for me for her records - we think that William
> was born in Fayal
>
> Thanks for your help.  Carol
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Michael Gilfilian 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Friday, August 31, 2012 09:35
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help offer
>
> Carol, what his wifes name and do you know if he stayed in the area?
>
> On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Carol Lobo  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> I would like to take you up on your offer to assist in looking up info in
>> Mass.   My GG grandfather William Jason Wood (AKA?) came to Fairhaven in
>> 1844, became naturalized March 5, 1853.  I am e-mailing you the copy of
>> this naturalization record.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Joao Ventura is helping me with Mrs. William J. Wood from Pico   Thank
>> You,
>>
>> Carol Lobo
>>
>> - Original Message - From: "Mike" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 15:05
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help offer
>>
>>
>> I'm a member of the new  England historical genealogy website, if your
>> researching in the mass, NY, ri,VT,NH area I will look for you so I can
>> contribute more than asking for help. PM me with as much as you know about
>> the person and ill search for you...Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] help offer

[Michael Gilfilian]

Carol, what his wifes name and do you know if he stayed in the area?

On Thu, Aug 30, 2012 at 7:00 PM, Carol Lobo  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I would like to take you up on your offer to assist in looking up info in
> Mass.   My GG grandfather William Jason Wood (AKA?) came to Fairhaven in
> 1844, became naturalized March 5, 1853.  I am e-mailing you the copy of
> this naturalization record.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Joao Ventura is helping me with Mrs. William J. Wood from Pico   Thank You,
>
> Carol Lobo
>
> - Original Message - From: "Mike" 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 15:05
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] help offer
>
>
> I'm a member of the new  England historical genealogy website, if your
> researching in the mass, NY, ri,VT,NH area I will look for you so I can
> contribute more than asking for help. PM me with as much as you know about
> the person and ill search for you...Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?

[Michael Gilfilian]

Well I've searched thru Prolly between 3000-3500 name variations on
ancestry, family search, and others, my next place will be on the cca site
but I still can't make out to much on that website
On Aug 25, 2012 9:41 PM, "Frank or JoElayne Johnson" 
wrote:

> Where are you looking?
>
>
> JoElayne Ferre' Johnson
>
>
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> *Sent:* Saturday, August 25, 2012 5:38 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] would they?
>
> according to the 1920 census my great great grandma immigrated in 1893 and
> the 1930 census says it was 1895. She would have been 25 or 27 upon
> arrival, in her obituary she left a brother who was in California. My
> question is then, would they have traveled here together? no matter how
> much I look I just can't find her, or him for that matter with anything
> definitive.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] immigration

[Michael Gilfilian]

And once again, let me say...the people in this group Rock!!!
On Aug 17, 2012 5:49 PM, "Michael Gilfilian"  wrote:

> He was, by all accounts it was in 1901.  Luckily I know enough to file one
> and I do have proof of death by obit and headstone. Although some
> conspiracy theorists would say people have faked that much info to die and
> hide...hopefully it will get me some much needed knowledge about him...
>  On Aug 17, 2012 5:21 PM, "John Vasconcelos"  wrote:
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>> *My Father was listed on the Ellis Island web site as having arrived in
>> 1908 on the Cretic. Family stories say that he was met by a half brother in
>> New Bedford Mass who he met there for the first time. I have heard more
>> than one story that incoming immigrant carrying ships would sometimes stop
>> first at Ellis island  to clear immigration then procede to the final port
>> to disembark passengers
>> John Vasconcelos*
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Cheryl Lawrence wrote:
>>
>>> I don't believe there was a port into Fairhaven for passenger ships. Try
>>> New Bedford, or even Providence.
>>> On Aug 15, 2012 10:03 AM, "Mike"  wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've been all over ancestry looking at passenger lists for the east
>>>> coast trying to find my grt grt grandparents entrance to the USA, i've used
>>>> their Portuguese names and their anglicized names, supposedly he came here
>>>> in 1888 and she arrived in fairhaven, ma. in 1893. I can only find hints to
>>>> their arrivals for the year they came. But I can't find anything specific.
>>>> Is there there other websites that I can search for passenger lists or
>>>> travel into or out of the country?
>>>>
>>>> Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] immigration

[Michael Gilfilian]

He was, by all accounts it was in 1901.  Luckily I know enough to file one
and I do have proof of death by obit and headstone. Although some
conspiracy theorists would say people have faked that much info to die and
hide...hopefully it will get me some much needed knowledge about him...
 On Aug 17, 2012 5:21 PM, "John Vasconcelos"  wrote:

> *My Father was listed on the Ellis Island web site as having arrived in
> 1908 on the Cretic. Family stories say that he was met by a half brother in
> New Bedford Mass who he met there for the first time. I have heard more
> than one story that incoming immigrant carrying ships would sometimes stop
> first at Ellis island  to clear immigration then procede to the final port
> to disembark passengers
> John Vasconcelos*
>
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 9:44 PM, Cheryl Lawrence wrote:
>
>> I don't believe there was a port into Fairhaven for passenger ships. Try
>> New Bedford, or even Providence.
>> On Aug 15, 2012 10:03 AM, "Mike"  wrote:
>>
>>> I've been all over ancestry looking at passenger lists for the east
>>> coast trying to find my grt grt grandparents entrance to the USA, i've used
>>> their Portuguese names and their anglicized names, supposedly he came here
>>> in 1888 and she arrived in fairhaven, ma. in 1893. I can only find hints to
>>> their arrivals for the year they came. But I can't find anything specific.
>>> Is there there other websites that I can search for passenger lists or
>>> travel into or out of the country?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] immigration

[Michael Gilfilian]

Yes, I know he did and because they were married i'm assuming but only a
little that she did too. Part of my problem is that most of the dates the
family had on him are off a little, i'm thinking because he couldn't read
our write his knowledge of the calendar isn't that great. I'm working on
putting in a FOIA request for his and her naturalization records. I've much
better luck with her because of  Elaines help and i'm cousins thru my grt
grt grandma with Doug da Rocha Holmes. But as for Antonio Silveira Pereira
there is a huge road block. Thanks for your info on the sites and books
Cheri, helpful as alwaysMike
On Aug 17, 2012 1:22 AM, "Steven McNamara"  wrote:

> Mike
>
> ** **
>
> Did your gg grandparents become US citizens?  If so the naturalization
> papers  used to contain the name of the ship and date/place the immigrant
> arrived.
>
> ** **
>
> I searched for 5 years for my grandfather-in-law Joseph S. Viera on a
> passenger list from Faial.   While researching his brother’s citizenship
> papers it listed he came over on the Peninsular May 17, 1902 in New York.
> I checked the records on Ancestry and they didn’t even have the ship list
> for that trip.  I then checked the Ellis Island site and there I found the
> whole family under the wife’s maiden name Silva.  
>
> ** **
>
> Good Luck!
>
> ** **
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] North Dartmouth Family History Center - Portuguese Volunteer Time

[Michael Gilfilian]

All I know is that the people that belong to this group especially a select
few have been more than hopeful to me and I'm hoping that someday I will
have learned enough to be able to pay it forward as you all have done for
me. Saying thank you doesn't seem to be enough because I have to hope
someone will help me by e-mail or posting to the group because where I live
the FHC doesn't have much knowledge or info in house and the group at our
main library studies our city and state only. So it's hoping I can get some
free help until I learn or pay for it.
I don't blame you at all George, thanks again to those that have helped
me!! Mike

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 11:08 PM, George Pacheco wrote:

> When I'm at the FHC for myself 75% of the time i spend helping people, i
> stay after hoursto work on my customers to give them the3 hours they are
> paying me,
>
> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 10:21 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I agree with you, George. That is just not a nice thing to do - so from
>> now have them fit into your schedule - especially with the cost of gas
>> these days. I have helped someone on the list with US records a few times
>> but when I ask that person for help with they say will look into it and I
>> never hear from them again, not even to say they checked into it and found
>> nothing, so I no longer will help them. And you all know that I enjoy
>> helping anyone find records.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] can you read this

[Michael Gilfilian]

Ok Gayle, Thankyou and I understand
On Jul 20, 2012 5:41 PM, "Gayle Machado"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> The parents of Francisco Leal were Manuel Leal Rosa and Maria dos Anjos.
> You'll find their names after Francisco Leal fo. The abbreviation fo. means
> filho or son.
>
> Anna Maria's parents were Manuel Jose Lima and Maria de Sta. Rosa. You'll
> find their names after the fa. abbreviation which stands for filha or
> daughter. By the way, Sta. means Santa.
>
> The one thing you really need to get is a list if abbreviations. I would
> suspect that Kathy probably has one on her website. The records on Pico, at
> least in my experience with the Candelaria, Sao Mateus and Sao Joao
> villages, are filled with abbreviations. I suspect that's probably true
> with the other islands. It can be daunting to learn, but you've got to do
> it. You'll wear out the group's generosity and patience if you don't.
>
> Keep chipping away at the obstacles. You'll eventually start making real
> progress. Those of us who don't know the language have had to learn. In
> fact, we're still picking up new words and phrases.
> It's an ongoing process for all of us. Hang in there. It gets easier in
> time.
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Jul 20, 2012, at 2:14 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> I was wondering if someone wouldn't mind taking the time to translate this
> record for me? It is the marriage of my 4th great grandparents Francisco
> Leal da Rosa and his wife Anna Maria. The wedding took place October 17th,
> 1796. They were both born and lived in Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico.
> I would really appreciate any help you can give me as i'm not catching on
> to learning how to read the language.
>
> Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] uploading to family finder

[Michael Gilfilian]

That's what I needed to know
On Jul 18, 2012 9:13 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Family Tree DNA has you upload your whole tree.  Go from yourself back 10
> or 12 generations if you have that much.  As you discover more ancestors,
> you can take it down and upload a new one.
>
> For those who uploaded separate paternal and maternal sides, FTDNA will
> take down those trees in December and you will have to upload a new
> complete tree.  Since DNA testing has expanded beyond Y-DNA and mtDNA to
> autosomal DNA (Family Finder), it is now necessary to upload the whole tree.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

Unfortunately for me all of my Portuguese family is passed on except for a
cousin who knows less than I do, so i'm left to learning all by research.
But since I first spoke on the phone to Cheri and joined the group I have
learned three times as much as I knew before. I've used Joao for two
marriage records. We'll see how much I can figure out from them on my own,
before I have to ask for help again...
On Jul 17, 2012 11:12 PM, "Pam Santos"  wrote:

> Mike, you will get it I put off going thru the records for 15 years
> because I was scared of having to decipher the writing and worried that I
> would not be a100% sure I had the right couple. But my ex grandmother inlaw
> (if there is such a thing HA) is 93, so time was running out.I knew how to
> read Spanish from being half Spanish and then took Spanish I and Spanish II
> this last year and I can actually understand alot better now. Since
> Portuguese and Spanish is similar. So I finally started going through the
> records and I had help with some lines from George Pacheco and Joao
> Ventura. But expanded on their work and have done some on my own back to
> 1500's.
>
> So the moral is you can do it, just keep saying that to yourself and you
> will. If you need help just ask, I will have more time though after Aug 30,
> when classes for me are done until I get into a nursing program next year.
>
> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 4:41 PM, Michael Gilfilian  > wrote:
>
>> I don't know about that, back when I went to school studying a 2nd
>> language wasn't required and I had a hard enough time with english. Heck I
>> can barely understand my grandmother's Italian and I've had 50 years to
>> learn it. Tomas Leal is over there now and has offered to help locate any
>> records for me but hasn't gotten anything yet. So we'll see, I think by
>> concentrating on a small part at a time it will help me keep from getting
>> so confused, from my grt grt grandmothers Baptism record did give me 2
>> different grandparents names from what was listed on the Neps website so
>> I'm not sure now how accurate it all is
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>> That's a good idea.  Try to get used to the handwriting.  Depending on
>>> the time period, you might notice that "filho legitimo" is 1/4 or 1/3 of
>>> the way down, with the baby's name.  You'll notice the slant.  These
>>> letters are "tall" in handwriting: f, l, h, l, t.  These dangle below: g.
>>> So you'll get used to picking out "filho legitmo" because of the slant and
>>> the height of the letters.  In a couple of months, you'll scratch your head
>>> and wonder why you thought it was so hard.
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheri Mello
>>> Listowner, Azores-Gen
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>>> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

I don't know about that, back when I went to school studying a 2nd language
wasn't required and I had a hard enough time with english. Heck I can
barely understand my grandmother's Italian and I've had 50 years to learn
it. Tomas Leal is over there now and has offered to help locate any records
for me but hasn't gotten anything yet. So we'll see, I think by
concentrating on a small part at a time it will help me keep from getting
so confused, from my grt grt grandmothers Baptism record did give me 2
different grandparents names from what was listed on the Neps website so
I'm not sure now how accurate it all is

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> That's a good idea.  Try to get used to the handwriting.  Depending on the
> time period, you might notice that "filho legitimo" is 1/4 or 1/3 of the
> way down, with the baby's name.  You'll notice the slant.  These letters
> are "tall" in handwriting: f, l, h, l, t.  These dangle below: g.  So
> you'll get used to picking out "filho legitmo" because of the slant and the
> height of the letters.  In a couple of months, you'll scratch your head and
> wonder why you thought it was so hard.
>
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

Cheri, can I say holy mother of brain overload. I think I'll work on my grt
grt grandmas family then. Her siblings and her parents and even though I
know their names I'll save her grand parents until I exhaust her immediate
family...
On Jul 17, 2012 5:26 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> For the most part, the Portuguese records are unindexed.  The few indicies
> that I've seen are in the latter 1800s.  Guess the priest had the time to
> create one.  Other than that, you have to go one by one.
>
> There are different strategies on where to research next.  I think with
> those new to reading the Portuguese records it's better to collect your
> ancestor and all his/her siblings first.  It will really help you learn to
> read the records and get familiar with the format.  If my ancestor was born
> 1880, I'd go back in time looking for others born to that same couple.
> Let's say I find one in 1878.  I'd keep going back in time.  If I don't
> find any for 4 years (1874), I'd go back to my ancestor born 1880, count 9
> months, and try to find that month in the records and then go forward.  And
> when I find none for 4 years, I stop there.
>
> If the first child was born legitimate, I then go to the marriages.  I
> start with as close as I can to the day before the birth of the oldest.
> Once I find that marriage, I pick someone. I'll just say the groom in this
> example (your ancestor's dad).  Then I go looking for his baptism (since
> his marriage has his parents' names).  And I collect all his siblings.
>
> You'll find hiccups along the way.  You'll be looking for your Manuel da
> Silva married to Maria da Conceicao and then you find her having a couple
> of kids as Maria de Jesus or something.  Is it yours?  Is it not?  Are the
> godparents similar to what you've been finding?  How many months/years
> between babies?  All stuff you need to evaluate.
>
> Another strategy would be to build your pedigree first by searching
> marriages only.  You'll be jumping different freguesias, different
> handwriting styles, and different formats (there's 3 time period formats).
> You'd have to be familiar with all of this.  For someone new to the
> Portuguese records, getting used to the old Portuguese and the paleography
> (handwriting), I really don't recommend this method.  You might try it
> though after be successful on a couple of other lines.
>
> I usually save deaths for last.  Unless I get a clue off of a record.
> Let's pretend this is your family:
> 1) Manuel b. 1870
> 2) Maria b. 1872
> 3) Manuel b. 1874
> 4) Rosa, b. 1876
> 5) Maria, b. 1878
>
> Kid # 1, Manuel b. 1870 is dead by 1874.  So I'd go to the deaths to find
> his record (again, to strengthen my deciphering of the handwriting).
> Portuguese families don't have sons with the same name.  They do have
> multiple Marias though.
>
> Here's another reason to search the deaths.  You have your ancestor's
> marriage, and it says that the groom was the son of Jose de Mello ja
> defunto and Maria dos Anjos.  The father of the groom is dead (ja
> defunto).  If the mother of the groom was dead, it would say ja defunta
> after her name.  If they were both dead, it was say ja defuntos after the
> mother's name.  And that "s" on the end can sometimes just look like a
> stray mark.
>
> Have I overwhelmed you?
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

Gayle,
thank you so much for finding this record for me, it's one more step now I
just have to get someone to translate it for me.
mike

On Tue, Jul 17, 2012 at 12:08 AM,  wrote:

> Mike,
>
>  Short on time tonight. Maybe this marriage record may help you add one
> more generation.
>
>  Gayle
>
>
> -----Original Message-
> From: Michael Gilfilian 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 8:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now
>
>  I've been  to neps and have a bunch of dates but I can't read the CCA
> govt site at all, was just wondering who or what I should try to find or
> verify on my own out with help, look at it this way, i'm looking for some
> kind of road map of steps to take for climbing the family tree, like find
> and verify, then find the next person and verify, then who is next and so
> on. I apologize for the length...
> On Jul 16, 2012 11:00 PM,  wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>>  Here's a hint:
>>
>> http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=jose+leal;n=rosa;oc=1
>>
>>  The NEPS website will give you some dates that you can then look up on
>> the CCA website and see the actual document. You can then verify whether
>> what's written on NEPS is correct or find your own truth.
>>
>>  Gayle
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mike 
>> To: azores 
>> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:32 pm
>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now
>>
>>  *A researcher found and translated my great great grandmothers Baptism
>> record and from it I got the following information:*
>> On 15 March 1868, in the parish church of Nossa Senhora da Piedade,
>> council of the village of Lajes do Pico,
>> baptized an individual of the feminine sex, to whom he gave the name of
>> Maria, who was born in this parish at 10AM on the 7th day of March, her
>> father was Joze Lial da Roza and mother was Francisca dos Anjos.
>> Her paternal grandparents were Francisco Lial da Roza and Anna Maria, her
>> maternal grandparents were Joaquim Lial Roza and Roza Maria.
>> They were all natives of this parish, married in this parish of which
>> they are parishioners, and residents in the neighborhood of "Cruz do
>> Redondo.
>>
>> I next obtained Joze Lial da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos marriage record
>> but didn't give me anything I didn't already know but for one thing, Joze
>> was married once before and had other children, both of his wives were
>> connected his first wife in the 3rd and 4th degree, and to my
>> GGgrandmothers mom in the 2nd degree.
>> I know this is a lot of info and maybe not explained to well, but who's
>> record should I aim for next, my GGgrandma's siblings? her parents baptism
>> and birth?(which is my choice)Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

thanks Gayle, I have all this...

On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 11:00 PM,  wrote:

> Mike,
>
>  Here's a hint:
>
> http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=jose+leal;n=rosa;oc=1
>
>  The NEPS website will give you some dates that you can then look up on
> the CCA website and see the actual document. You can then verify whether
> what's written on NEPS is correct or find your own truth.
>
>  Gayle
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:32 pm
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now
>
>  *A researcher found and translated my great great grandmothers Baptism
> record and from it I got the following information:*
> On 15 March 1868, in the parish church of Nossa Senhora da Piedade,
> council of the village of Lajes do Pico,
> baptized an individual of the feminine sex, to whom he gave the name of
> Maria, who was born in this parish at 10AM on the 7th day of March, her
> father was Joze Lial da Roza and mother was Francisca dos Anjos.
> Her paternal grandparents were Francisco Lial da Roza and Anna Maria, her
> maternal grandparents were Joaquim Lial Roza and Roza Maria.
> They were all natives of this parish, married in this parish of which they
> are parishioners, and residents in the neighborhood of "Cruz do Redondo.
>
> I next obtained Joze Lial da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos marriage record
> but didn't give me anything I didn't already know but for one thing, Joze
> was married once before and had other children, both of his wives were
> connected his first wife in the 3rd and 4th degree, and to my
> GGgrandmothers mom in the 2nd degree.
> I know this is a lot of info and maybe not explained to well, but who's
> record should I aim for next, my GGgrandma's siblings? her parents baptism
> and birth?(which is my choice)Mike
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

Joao is the one who got me Jose's two marriage records, is there a way to
narrow down which number record on the govt site you look at our do you
have to look at each one individually because there's a boat load when
there is a range of several years?
On Jul 17, 2012 1:44 AM, "Pam Santos"  wrote:

> If you can't read the records, I would suggest paying Joao Ventura, George
> Pacheco or someone to do the research for you. Or you can take a Portuguese
> or Spanish class.  If you haven't gone over the Portuguese writing from
> familysearch that will help with key words to help you to search the
> records on your own.
>
> Look for baptisms for all the children of the couple and then find the
> grandparents or next generation's marriage, then the children and do that
> over and over until you can't go any further lol
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 9:12 PM, Gayle Machado  wrote:
>
>> Mike,
>>
>> Sorry. I meant that I was short on time and only found this one record I
>> thought you might like.
>> It's attached to the previous e-mail.
>>
>> Gayle
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 16, 2012, at 8:13 PM, Michael Gilfilian 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've been  to neps and have a bunch of dates but I can't read the CCA
>> govt site at all, was just wondering who or what I should try to find or
>> verify on my own out with help, look at it this way, i'm looking for some
>> kind of road map of steps to take for climbing the family tree, like find
>> and verify, then find the next person and verify, then who is next and so
>> on. I apologize for the length...
>> On Jul 16, 2012 11:00 PM, < goodw...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Mike,
>>>
>>>  Here's a hint:
>>>
>>> <http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=jose+leal;n=rosa;oc=1>
>>> http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=jose+leal;n=rosa;oc=1
>>>
>>>  The NEPS website will give you some dates that you can then look up on
>>> the CCA website and see the actual document. You can then verify whether
>>> what's written on NEPS is correct or find your own truth.
>>>
>>>  Gayle
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mike < mgilfilia...@gmail.com>
>>> To: azores < azores@googlegroups.com>
>>> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:32 pm
>>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now
>>>
>>>  *A researcher found and translated my great great grandmothers Baptism
>>> record and from it I got the following information:*
>>> On 15 March 1868, in the parish church of Nossa Senhora da Piedade,
>>> council of the village of Lajes do Pico,
>>> baptized an individual of the feminine sex, to whom he gave the name of
>>> Maria, who was born in this parish at 10AM on the 7th day of March, her
>>> father was Joze Lial da Roza and mother was Francisca dos Anjos.
>>> Her paternal grandparents were Francisco Lial da Roza and Anna Maria,
>>> her maternal grandparents were Joaquim Lial Roza and Roza Maria.
>>> They were all natives of this parish, married in this parish of which
>>> they are parishioners, and residents in the neighborhood of "Cruz do
>>> Redondo.
>>>
>>> I next obtained Joze Lial da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos marriage
>>> record but didn't give me anything I didn't already know but for one thing,
>>> Joze was married once before and had other children, both of his wives were
>>> connected his first wife in the 3rd and 4th degree, and to my
>>> GGgrandmothers mom in the 2nd degree.
>>> I know this is a lot of info and maybe not explained to well, but who's
>>> record should I aim for next, my GGgrandma's siblings? her parents baptism
>>> and birth?(which is my choice)Mike
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

I've been  to neps and have a bunch of dates but I can't read the CCA govt
site at all, was just wondering who or what I should try to find or verify
on my own out with help, look at it this way, i'm looking for some kind of
road map of steps to take for climbing the family tree, like find and
verify, then find the next person and verify, then who is next and so on. I
apologize for the length...
On Jul 16, 2012 11:00 PM,  wrote:

> Mike,
>
>  Here's a hint:
>
> http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=piedade;lang=en;p=jose+leal;n=rosa;oc=1
>
>  The NEPS website will give you some dates that you can then look up on
> the CCA website and see the actual document. You can then verify whether
> what's written on NEPS is correct or find your own truth.
>
>  Gayle
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mike 
> To: azores 
> Sent: Mon, Jul 16, 2012 6:32 pm
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now
>
>  *A researcher found and translated my great great grandmothers Baptism
> record and from it I got the following information:*
> On 15 March 1868, in the parish church of Nossa Senhora da Piedade,
> council of the village of Lajes do Pico,
> baptized an individual of the feminine sex, to whom he gave the name of
> Maria, who was born in this parish at 10AM on the 7th day of March, her
> father was Joze Lial da Roza and mother was Francisca dos Anjos.
> Her paternal grandparents were Francisco Lial da Roza and Anna Maria, her
> maternal grandparents were Joaquim Lial Roza and Roza Maria.
> They were all natives of this parish, married in this parish of which they
> are parishioners, and residents in the neighborhood of "Cruz do Redondo.
>
> I next obtained Joze Lial da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos marriage record
> but didn't give me anything I didn't already know but for one thing, Joze
> was married once before and had other children, both of his wives were
> connected his first wife in the 3rd and 4th degree, and to my
> GGgrandmothers mom in the 2nd degree.
> I know this is a lot of info and maybe not explained to well, but who's
> record should I aim for next, my GGgrandma's siblings? her parents baptism
> and birth?(which is my choice)Mike
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where should I go now

[Michael Gilfilian]

I have those names from the baptismal record of my GG grandmother, that's
why i'm looking for some guidance on my next step...
 On Jul 16, 2012 10:27 PM, "Pam Santos"  wrote:

> Find his first marriage record, that will give you his parents names.
>
> On Mon, Jul 16, 2012 at 6:32 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
>> *A researcher found and translated my great great grandmothers Baptism
>> record and from it I got the following information:*
>> On 15 March 1868, in the parish church of Nossa Senhora da Piedade,
>> council of the village of Lajes do Pico,
>> baptized an individual of the feminine sex, to whom he gave the name of
>> Maria, who was born in this parish at 10AM on the 7th day of March, her
>> father was Joze Lial da Roza and mother was Francisca dos Anjos.
>> Her paternal grandparents were Francisco Lial da Roza and Anna Maria, her
>> maternal grandparents were Joaquim Lial Roza and Roza Maria.
>> They were all natives of this parish, married in this parish of which
>> they are parishioners, and residents in the neighborhood of "Cruz do
>> Redondo.
>>
>> I next obtained Joze Lial da Rosa and Francisca dos Anjos marriage record
>> but didn't give me anything I didn't already know but for one thing, Joze
>> was married once before and had other children, both of his wives were
>> connected his first wife in the 3rd and 4th degree, and to my
>> GGgrandmothers mom in the 2nd degree.
>> I know this is a lot of info and maybe not explained to well, but who's
>> record should I aim for next, my GGgrandma's siblings? her parents baptism
>> and birth?(which is my choice)Mike
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] definition

[Michael Gilfilian]

So far my family is limited to a neighbor hood in Piedade, Lajes do Pico,
on Pico...
On Jul 14, 2012 8:11 PM, "Bill Boyd"  wrote:

> Hmm, wonder if it is a Vasconcellos thing?  My grandparents are first
> cousins from Graciosa. Their mothers are sisters. We always said they had
> to "pay off" the church to get married  Oh, and my grandfather went
> back to Graciosa from the USA to get married after his first wife died.
>  Small island not the factor in this case.
>
> Well, the topic of offspring intelligence is interesting, but I'll reserve
> judgement as I would not be impartial ;-)
>
> Bill
>
> On Jul 14, 2012, at 3:35 PM, John Vasconcelos  wrote:
>
> *I'll second what Cheri said. Cousin marriages are probably more common
> on the smaller islands where you can run out of possible marriage
> candidates faster.  I'm thinking specifically of Flores where my parents
> were born but the same might also apply to Corvo and Graciosa as well as
> isolated parts of some of the larger islands such as Norteste on S. Miguel.
>
> Even so, there was always a certain amount of genetic screening going on.
> There were certain families that were to be avoided. I remember my father
> "forbidding" my sister to date a particular fellow whose parents were from
> Flores but whom they didn't approve of because of a perceived personality
> defect.
>
> When cousins marry the children can come out idiots or geniuses or
> anything in between depending on genetics There were quite a few cousin
> marriages on my paternal side. I can cite a specific case  of a cousin of
> mine  (first cousin twice removed) who is now an associate professor at a
> major east coast university. The parents were second cousins. The paternal
> grandmother was my first cousin and a first cousin of the maternal
> grandfather who was also my first cousin. The parents and grandparents were
> all born in the same village on Flores where my father was born.
> John Vasconcelos
> *
> On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> That's OK.  When I posted it a month ago, you were hot on the trail of
>> finding your freguesia, so you probably didn't pay particular attention to
>> the consanguinity thing because it didn't yet apply to you.
>>
>> There's lots of intermarriage.  They were trapped on an island, went to
>> church with their cousins, went to festas with their cousins, and went to
>> work with their cousins.  So they marry their cousins!  We had to do
>> something to keep the brains and beauty in our families!  LOL
>>
>> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] definition

[Michael Gilfilian]

Thanks Cheri for posting it yet again for me, from the marriage records it
appears that my GGG grandfather kept it in the family both times he got
married. The second time they were first cousins...boy ooh boy
On Jul 14, 2012 1:07 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Hi Mike,
>
> I made a post about this a month ago.  Here it is again:
>
> < 1st degree: uncle/niece or aunt/nephew marriage
> 2nd degree: 1st cousins
> 3rd degree: 2nd cousins
> 4th degree: 3rd cousins
>
> Consanguinity (consanguinidade in Portuguese) means related by blood, such
> as cousins.  Affinity (affinidade in Portuguese) means related by marriage.
>  Example: the wife dies so the hubby marries his sister-in-law.
> When a degree of consanguinity or affinity happens, a document called a
> dispensation for the marriage had to be made from the Church or in some
> cases, Rome.  Some exist and some don't.  Because the Diocese seat for the
> Azores is in Angra, these records are in the archive in Angra.  An index to
> these records will be online someday. >>
>
> So Mike, you did answer one of your questions.  Consanguinity means that
> they were related, and specifically, by blood.
>
> What type of info will the dispensation papers get you?  There's not a set
> format like the baptisms, marriages, and deaths.  It's a collection of
> papers with the priest interviewing the couple with documentation of how
> the couple is related.  All of that or some of that may be in the
> dispensation packet.  I'm not sure how many are fairly close to complete.
> Joao Ventura would know since he works with them the most.  And some
> dispensations were lost too :(
>
> I've seen 2 dispensations. In one of mine, Vitorino wanted to marry Maria
> (2nd cousins).  The reason given was that the people in the freguesia saw
> Vitorino going over to Maria's house a bit too often.  So Maria was getting
> a reputation (that's modern words - this was the mid-1700s and I don't
> remember their words, except now it comes across as kind of funny).
> Vitorino felt bad about Maria getting a reputation from his visits and
> because Maria was getting this reputation, no man would want her.  So he
> said he would marry her.  I remember Joao kind of laughing at that point,
> saying that's probably the story that they told the priest, because they
> just wanted to get married.  Then there were separate interviews with
> Vitorino and Maria.  The priest asked Vic if he ever kissed Maria or held
> hands.  Vic said he did nothing with Maria.  Maria's paperwork said she did
> nothing with Vic.  So the priest said that Vic had to fast so many days (or
> certain days) and pray the rosary (for what??  Thinking his cousin was
> cute??)
>
> The other one was for 1st cousins, in the early 1800s.  Manuel wanted to
> marry Maria.  She had already given birth to a couple of his kids.  He met
> Maria when he was working at his uncle's.  This priest really let Maria
> have it.  It said something like "Maria was a poor and miserable girl,
> giving in to the flesh..."  The priest didn't say a word about Manuel being
> a horny dude, going after his cousin, seducing her, or anything.  It was
> all on Maria.  Um, it takes two!  But that's the way it was then. I think
> Maria's father kicked her out of the house for getting pregnant (I wonder
> if Manuel kept working for him?)  And the priest reiterated that Maria was
> a poor and miserable girl.  Poor didn't mean financially here.  I think
> both had some money or land (that was in the dispensation too).  The poor
> and miserable part had to do with the spirit and not being strong enough to
> resist Manuel's advances.
>
> So that's a sample of what could be in a dispensation.  They are all
> different.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] can you read this

[Michael Gilfilian]

I see it's one of the island's, that makes me thing it's not him because he
was from Faial and that island has a port, if it said his reason for going
there it might offer more of a clue if it was him or not...

On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Michael Gilfilian
wrote:

> where is S. Miguel?
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2012 at 6:51 AM, Eliseu Silva wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> It is S. Miguel for sure (St for Saint= São). 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> eliseu
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] can you read this

[Michael Gilfilian]

where is S. Miguel?

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> Hi,
>
> ** **
>
> It is S. Miguel for sure (St for Saint= São). 
>
> ** **
>
> eliseu
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] ancestry question

[Michael Gilfilian]

Ok at the bottom of a hint for a residence for my Ggrandmother it shows
that she lived in new Bedford,ma.then it says civil by itself at bottom of
hint, could that mean its a govt record because its labeled civil?
 On Jul 3, 2012 4:08 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Can you clarify "it?"
>
> ...sometimes IT says civil then lists a state...
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] new to group, researching Simoes and Bento of MA/RI areas

[Michael Gilfilian]

Pam, Cheri is right, if you can download her guide, save print it out like
I did, it really helped me start using a process, after I first joined the
group I realized I didn't have a clue what I was doing. There are a number
of places to look here in the USA first before using the govt pages, I
happen to just have some luck, a genealogist happen to notice one of the
surnames i'm looking for and asked for the names I had. Just so happens
we're cousins and he gave me the baptismal record for my GGgrandmother, her
village, parents and grand parents. Pure luck for me, but it also takes a
bunch of effort and patience. Took me a bit to figure that out.
On Jul 1, 2012 2:39 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Pam M,
>
> Your 2 questions:
> < or RI areas to get some help with Portuguese records?>>
>
> You're not ready to utilize the Portuguese records yet.  You'll need to
> confirm that the island is indeed Sao Miguel and then find the freguesia
> (fregh-Z-ah) which is the village.  Most of Europe is that way (find the
> village).
>
> I have a how to guide posted here on the Azores Genweb: goo.gl/9CO4r
> You might want to bookmark the Azores Genweb site: goo.gl/HuNWh
>
> Tracing your ancestor(s) in America and collecting all the clues and
> analyzing them will help you find the freguesia over there.  One man on
> this list started about 10 weeks ago and he just found one freguesia on one
> ancestor!
>
> Your 2nd question:
> < records from 1926 until much, much later in his life?>>
>
> You don't say what records you have searched.  Judy P. gave you something
> that she found.
>
> However, if a person was born about 1926, they would not be an adult until
> about 1944.  It's tough to find records on people between the 1940s to the
> present due to privacy and stuff like that.  You will be able to find them
> on the 1940 census (just released) when it's fully indexed.  Since he
> served in WWII, you'll find records on that.  The rest will be you
> sleuthing via the how to link I posted above.
>
> Good luck.  Post what you find from the various sources here and we'll
> help you make sense of it.
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] confirmation

[Michael Gilfilian]

I still almost can't believe it, I've been on ancestry for about two years
and for the most part thought I had exhausted that until Cheri s suggestion
then Elaine found one thing then another and I got lucky on the neps site.
But if I hadn't sent the email about the DNA website and then talked to
Cheri on the phone I'd still I'd still be where I was. Fred keep looking
and asking, i'm sure I asked questions that made no sense but the group was
great about it, didn't throw me out and kept helping me, I can't wait until
the next discovery...
On Jun 29, 2012 12:18 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Lisa,
>
> It seems like most researchers (Portuguese and otherwise) need to go back
> about 200 years (to the early 1800s) to find another genealogist
> researching those same lines.  Note I said "most".
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Michael Gilfilian]

Sure wheel when I get back to my laptop and not my phone I will...
On Jun 26, 2012 11:00 PM, "Gayle Machado"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> Would you like to share your breakthrough info for those of us who have
> connections to Pico ?
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On Jun 26, 2012, at 4:58 PM, Mike  wrote:
>
> I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I
> have a question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as
> the Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm
> wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate
> with what they do have?
> Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Michael Gilfilian]

Sounds like I have a first family for Joao to verify for me besides seeing
what Tomas Leal can verify for me, he lives five minutes from Piedsde,
Lajes do Pico, pico...
On Jun 26, 2012 9:23 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike and others,
>
> From what we can glean out of the written Portuguese, the NEPS site is a
> sociology study.  They do not have entire families.  They skipped the
> babies who had no parents (huh, they aren't part of society?) and I don't
> remember what else.
>
> Like everyone said, use it as a sort of index and verify with the actual
> records (order them through your FHC = Family History Center, hire a
> researcher, or wait for them to come online).
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website

[Michael Gilfilian]

Well the same thing is a big problem on ancestry with kids listed as born
before parents. Today I got an email from a man named Tomas Leal who lives
5 minutes from Piedade, Lajes do Pico, Pico who saw that we were
researching a name from his line, and he has offered to try and verify some
of what I've found on Neps. I've also been in contact with Joao who said he
could help if I give him what I have...
On Jun 26, 2012 8:26 PM, "celeste perry"  wrote:

> Mike,
>I was at the archive in Horta, Faial, and saw 2 (obvious students)
> going through one of the books.  One was reading out loud the contents of
> the book and the other was writing in a folder.  They looked, to me, as
> though they were recording of the record to the book.  That reminded me
> about what I had heard that the NEPS site was collected by students of one
> of the professors of the university.  All went well until they began to
> laugh, talk between themselves about things not in the book, etc.  I think
> the NEPS site is (as stated by others) a starting point to get to the
> actual document you need to read or have transcribed and translated by
> someone like Joao Ventura, before you take anything as the actual
> writings.
> Even looking at the actual books there have been times when it is
> found that the priest made mistakes.  I like to think maybe he said too
> many masses and had a little bit more wine than necessary!
>One clue I found early on was that someone in the NEPS site had a son
> that was born before the father.
> Celeste, Hayward, CA
>
> Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>   *From:* Mike 
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 26, 2012 4:58 PM
> *Subject:* [AZORES-Genealogy] question about the Neps website
>
> I've had a break through thanks to some great help from you all. But I
> have a question about the Neps website. Are those people listed done so as
> the Azores gov't goes through the books and lists them by name, what I'm
> wondering are the results you find on the Neps website spot on accurate
> with what they do have?
> Mike
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Re: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?

[Michael Gilfilian]

Thanks Celeste!!
On Jun 25, 2012 11:20 PM, "celeste perry"  wrote:

> Mike,
>I received this from someone who lives in the Irvington district of
> Fremont.  It looks like Mission San Jose will be the place you need to look
> for the information on your ancestor.  Celeste, Hayward, CA
>   Celeste Perry ccgran...@yahoo.com
>
>  "The first Catholic church in Irvington was St. Leonard's. 1959. The
> second Catholic church in Irvington was Santa Paula on Blacow Rd. (not sure
> of the date).  A couple of years ago both churches merged into one church
> called Our Lady of Guadalupe..  We are now holding mass at the old St.
> Leonards site, while waiting to get enough money to build a new Church at
> the Santa Paula site.  Up until 1959 all of us Irvington catholic attended
> St. Joseph's in Mission San Jose."
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?

[Michael Gilfilian]

I did when I started this post and have gotten some great help, then it
just stream tolled into a bunch of different areas. But we can end adding
to this one, I have a bunch of things to go through...thanks everyone!!!
On Jun 25, 2012 12:30 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> I think Mike is looking in Fairhaven, Massachusetts.  Maybe we all should
> type out the city, state, and county (if known) to avoid confusion.
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Vitalsearch records

[Michael Gilfilian]

E you are going above and beyond helping me, Thankyou so much!!!
On Jun 20, 2012 5:50 PM,  wrote:

> I think this is the right site I'm looking for. Does anyone have access to
> Vitalsearch and, if so, is there a marriage record between an Antone S.
> Leal and Mary Trombus ca 1908-1910 in the area of Washington, Alameda
> County, CA?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Mary (Trombus) Leal

[Michael Gilfilian]

This Antone Leal seems to be the only one in that area, a good chance its
her brother
On Jun 20, 2012 5:04 PM, "Elaine Sharp"  wrote:

>  Mike, 
>
> ** **
>
> I sent you some stuff from Ancestry.  Should not be a problem as you
> belong to the group.  Here is the death info for her parents.  John S.
> Trombus and Rosa F. (Andrade) Trombus.
>
> ** **
>
>
> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GSln=TR&GSfn=r&GSpartial=1&GSbyrel=all&GSdyrel=all&GSst=6&GScntry=4&GSob=n&GSsr=481&GRid=13202449&df=all&;
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] where can I look next?

[Michael Gilfilian]

I don't understand Word of what is written there, where did you locate
these so I know where to look. The O'Neill's are my great grandmothers 2nd
husband but she had no children with him or with her 3rd husband Clare
McNaney. Knowing that Irvington is now Fremont will help. The Faial records
aren't online yet. can you tell where you're finding this out? The cemetery
didn't tell me anything I didn't already know.
On Jun 20, 2012 12:20 AM,  wrote:

> Mike
>
> Here is another Portuguese Obit. Are these O'Neil's related to the
> daughter Mary O'Neill? Sometimes the words don't come out right when I cut
> and paste so you have to allow for some weird spellings.
>
> Diário de Notícias: Junho 4, 1932 -Page 4
> Qulnta-feira realteou-se o funeral
> do Mrs. Maria Leal Pereira, saiudo o
> préstito da casa da família enlutada,
> 121 Rockland Street, South Dartmouth,
> ás 8.15 da manhã para a Igreja
> de Santa Maria, Padanaram, onde
> houve ás 9 horas mlesa d« "requiem"
> por sua alma, sendo celebrante o Rev.
> Francis Duffy.
> No funeral tomaram parte muitas
> : pessoas da amisade da família enlutada.
> O cadáver foi sepultado no cemitério
> de S. João Baptista desta cidade,
> tendo pegado ás alças do caixão
> os srs. Virglnio da Silva, Willlam.
> 0'Neil, Frank Peters, Charles O'Nell,
> António Pereira e Walter 0'Neil.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] family history center

[Michael Gilfilian]

Unfortunately there is only my mom who doesn't know much, her mom who's 90
and doesn't remember much about her own family let alone her husband the
Portuguese side, and a cousin who knows what I know, I have the islands and
both of my sets of ggg grandparents names. So I've pretty much exhausted
what I can get from family. I did email both the clerks from Dartmouth and
New Bedford to see who had their death certificates. Mr Ventura said he
could help but without knowing where on the islands they came from I could
go broke fast. I do know my gg randmother arrived in Fairhaven,ma in
1893 and she had a brother in Irvington,CA but what I don't know is if she
came east from CA or came from Pico. I can't find him anyplace now either.

On Jun 19, 2012 11:22 AM,  wrote:

> Mike, where do you live? If you are in California and live close to
> Monterey let me know. I work at the FHC here and have a lot of the
> Portuguese films.  Also there are other FHC's in CA that have many of the
> films of the Azores. Our FHC has many of the premium websites for free;
> Ancestry, Vital Search, Genealogy Bank, the Heritage Quest sites etc.
> Also, since you are a beginner, you should find out if the local FHC has
> classes to teach you how do do your research. There are new things coming
> online daily so it pays to attend Seminars and Conferences and monthly
> classes that the local genealogy societies may present.
>
> Rosemarie
> >
>
> I'm going to our local family history center today, and I'd like to ask
> > what type of things can I look for there that can't be found on their
> > website? I want to know where to concentrate my efforts.
> >
> > Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: social security

[Michael Gilfilian]

My gg grandfather was self employed as a handy man and there isn't an death
index on ancestry
On Jun 18, 2012 11:36 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> If Social Security paid benefits on your ancestor, they will appear in the
> Social Security Death Index.  It's available on Ancestry.com.
>
> If no benefits were claimed for your ancestor, then they will not appear
> in the Index.  If they have a Social Security Number (SSN) on their death
> certificate, then you know that they had one.  If they were self employed
> and never applied in the 1950s, then they didn't have one.  If you are
> unsure, it's a gamble.  You can request the form through the SS Offices.
>
> The Azores GenWeb (Under Research Aids> Finding Your Roots) has this:
> http://goo.gl/NFY9A
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Grave Photo

[Michael Gilfilian]

I just successfully used find a grave to get a picture of the family
headstone at St. John the Baptist cemetery in New Bedford as all the names
are on one stone, only took them a couple of days, great idea...
On Jun 15, 2012 10:10 PM, "Gail Elizares"  wrote:

> If anyone in the near future goes to St. Mary’s Cemetary, would you please
> take a photo of ggrandfather’s grave.  His name is listed as Caton Souza
> and is located at Y14-26th.
>
> He died on 05/04/1933.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks,
>
> ** **
>
> Gail
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Immigrant Ships

[Michael Gilfilian]

It was adventure in my gg grandfathers case, but after 10 months at sea
cleaning up whale slop from harvesting whales he decided farming want such
a bad gig and went home when the ship returned to Horta. But he did find
his way to the US for good at the age of 20.
 On Jun 13, 2012 1:02 PM, "Steve Peters"  wrote:

> On Jun 12, 10:04 am, Cheri Mello  wrote:
> > StowawaysIf I had $5 for every time I heard that story, I'd be rich!
> > Our ancestors did not send all their boys to America or elsewhere to
> avoid
> > the military.
>
> Well, I agree that the "stowaway" story occurs far too frequently to
> be credible. I was throwing the "draft dodger" thing out there as an
> alternative, based on stuff I've read, not on family stories. So do
> you believe that avoiding conscription was not a likely reason for
> boys to leave? Were they just escaping poverty and joblessness? Were
> their families to poor to feed them? Or did they just want adventure?
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Immigrant Ships

[Michael Gilfilian]

Maybe someone can answer this for me, my gg grandfather said at the time he
went whaling from Faial the captain of the Charles W.Morgan was a captain
Sylvia. This would have been around 1884. But I can't find anywhere
something that lists a Sylvia as captaining of the Morgan.
On Jun 12, 2012 2:38 PM, "John Vasconcelos"  wrote:

> *Cheri,
> I beg to differ a bit with you on that story. Many "stowaways" were not
> actually stowaways. That was just the "cover story" in case they were
> caught. Most were probably on board with full knowlede of the ships
> captain. Captain Antonio Corvello  (my mother's second cousin) who was a
> whaling Captain out of New Bedford in the late 19th and early 20th Century,
> was known to  "traffic"  in "illegals"  between Flores and New Bedford.
> Young men from some of the other nearby islands were known to find their
> way to Flores via local inter-island boats to hitch a ride to the US on
> whaling ships which would come to the largely uninhabited west side of
> Flores to fill out their crews. Many went to escape the military while
> others went just to seek a better life.
> John Vasconcelos.*
>
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Cheri Mello  wrote:
>
>> StowawaysIf I had $5 for every time I heard that story, I'd be rich!
>> Our ancestors did not send all their boys to America or elsewhere to avoid
>> the military.  And yet it seems those of us with male ancestors have a
>> stowaway story.
>>
>> Either Michael Tepper in his "American Passenger Arrival Records" or John
>> P. Colletta in his " They Came in Ships" address the stowaway and jumping
>> ship story.  I don't have access to my copies of those books at the moment,
>> but if someone else does, can they summarize what was said and post it
>> please?
>>
>> My dad has become pretty good with me and my questions.  When I first
>> started doing genealogy 20 years ago, I signed up at my local adult school
>> for a genealogy class.  The instructor had 3 basic questions for evaluating
>> family stories:
>> 1) Who said it?
>> 2) When did they say it?
>> 3) How did they know?
>>
>> So when I ask my dad something, he knows what is coming next.  So after
>> telling me his story, he says that the story came from his grandpa who was
>> telling it to the grandkids (and I'll get my dad to tell me if he was about
>> 8 or 10 or whatever) and that grandpa sometimes embellished the stories for
>> the audience.  My dad doesn't always have the answer to all 3 questions,
>> but that's what makes us good genealogy sleuths!
>>
>> Cheri Mello
>> Who also had the stowaway story which was disproven
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Immigrant Ships

[Michael Gilfilian]

My gg grandfather ran away from home at 16 but it wasn't to avoid the
military, he hated being a farmer and to go to sea. So when the CW Morgan
was in the Gotta port away he went. But several months later when the
Morgan came back to Faial he went home. But he did finally come to the US
for good, so no sto away but it makes for a great story.
On Jun 12, 2012 1:05 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> StowawaysIf I had $5 for every time I heard that story, I'd be rich!
> Our ancestors did not send all their boys to America or elsewhere to avoid
> the military.  And yet it seems those of us with male ancestors have a
> stowaway story.
>
> Either Michael Tepper in his "American Passenger Arrival Records" or John
> P. Colletta in his " They Came in Ships" address the stowaway and jumping
> ship story.  I don't have access to my copies of those books at the moment,
> but if someone else does, can they summarize what was said and post it
> please?
>
> My dad has become pretty good with me and my questions.  When I first
> started doing genealogy 20 years ago, I signed up at my local adult school
> for a genealogy class.  The instructor had 3 basic questions for evaluating
> family stories:
> 1) Who said it?
> 2) When did they say it?
> 3) How did they know?
>
> So when I ask my dad something, he knows what is coming next.  So after
> telling me his story, he says that the story came from his grandpa who was
> telling it to the grandkids (and I'll get my dad to tell me if he was about
> 8 or 10 or whatever) and that grandpa sometimes embellished the stories for
> the audience.  My dad doesn't always have the answer to all 3 questions,
> but that's what makes us good genealogy sleuths!
>
> Cheri Mello
> Who also had the stowaway story which was disproven
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family finder family tree DNA kit sale

[Michael Gilfilian]

Ordered mine this morning add well
 On Jun 9, 2012 11:29 AM, "Kathy"  wrote:

> I ordered mine yesterday for $183 with shipping I used a coupon code.  The
> coupon is only good through tomorrow (Sunday). I got mine from Doug Holmes
> and I think it was his last one. So if Cheri has some you all need to jump
> on it. This is a steal!
>
> Kathy Dutra Porter
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Family Finder Sale only on Family Tree DNA

[Michael Gilfilian]

It will be 26 tomorrow
On Jun 8, 2012 6:35 PM,  wrote:

> **
> Great news.
>
>  In a message dated 6/8/2012 6:17:13 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> gfsche...@gmail.com writes:
>
> I think we have 25 Family Finder kits on order now.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] how to verify

[Michael Gilfilian]

>From the looks of it since I don't know the town my gg grandfather came
from I can't write to them yet. I was also looking through the books for
information and the link for your book is broken.
On Jun 5, 2012 6:15 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> On the Azores GenWeb.  Here's a link (it has all the archives).  You want
> the Horta archive.  There's a form letter where you fill in the blanks.
> http://goo.gl/1AvL4
>
> I think you can ask for a simple photocopy and not pay for the
> certification.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] how to verify

[Michael Gilfilian]

Cherri where can I find the address to write to the archives?
On Jun 5, 2012 5:55 PM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> You are going to have to wait until the 1890s Faial records come online to
> verify them yourself, or write to the archives and request those records,
> or hire a research to obtain them for you.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Match ... importance of GEDCOM ... emphasis

[Michael Gilfilian]

Ok I did this and now I see how it works for transporting the info from one
program to another, one more question. It gave me the option to choose a
format, Ansel and one or 2 others, is one more preferred over the other?
which is the best one to choose?
Mike

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> Mike,
>
> GEDCOM is an acronym for GEnealogy Data COMmunication.  It is a way for
> all genealogy programs to talk to each other.
>
> In Legacy, click on File, then Export.  The screens will walk you through
> the process.
>
> When you are done, create a new family (I like to call mine "Test") and
> then go to File then Import and bring your GEDCOM back in.  This way, you
> can see what you are doing and how a GEDCOM works.  Then delete your Test
> family as you don't want to accidentally enter data into that one!
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Family Finder Match ... importance of GEDCOM ... emphasis

[Michael Gilfilian]

I have legacy 7.5 and family lineage, what exactly is a Gedcom?
On Jun 3, 2012 12:53 PM, "Pam Santos"  wrote:

> Well what genealogy program do you use? I maybe able to help.
>
> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 6:52 PM,  wrote:
>
>> You are correct.  I'm the culprit here.  I am a novice with computers &
>> will need help to create a Gedcom.  It will be my next project
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 2, 2012, at 5:22 PM, Pam Santos  wrote:
>>
>> Plus everyone is not subscribed to Ancestry.com and to view your tree
>> you will need to send an invite.
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 2, 2012 at 5:13 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> **
>>> I will further offer the thought that anyone who says  ... "my gedcom is
>>> at ancestry.com ... go look" is missing numerous opportunities.
>>>
>>> Anyone who takes that approach misses the opportunity presented by all
>>> the matches out there like me who will look for the matches with GEDCOMs
>>> and not look twice at someone who does not (assuming we are talking about a
>>> "family finder match" and not a direct Y or Mt match).
>>>
>>> Second, some will not want to look at an ancestry.com "gedcom" because
>>> most are full gedcoms. Mine has 35,000 individuals. 25 years of research
>>> and includes numerous unconnected persons of interest. The beauty of the
>>> FTM-DNA Azores link for your GEDCOM is that people see what matters and not
>>> a slew of peripheral people.
>>>
>>> Again, I strongly encourage you all who have not done so to load your
>>> family GEDCOM so fellow researchers can more efficiently and easily look
>>> for possible connections to your lineage. I cannot state more emphatically
>>> the importance of doing so if you are interested in furthering your family
>>> research.
>>>
>>> Best of luck to all.
>>>
>>> Al Rose
>>>
>>>  In a message dated 6/2/2012 7:41:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> alrose...@aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> Fellow family history buffs. What Rick wrote in response to someone who
>>> matched him is a great example of what opportunities // research avenues
>>> are missed if you fail to load your GEDCOM to the Azores FTM-DNA site.
>>>
>>> Now, if you compare that unfortunate delay with the result that Albert
>>> Lewis Ball and I experienced when we located our mutual ancestors in a
>>> matter of a few days because we BOTH had loaded our GEDCOMs.
>>>
>>> This is exactly why Cheri, myself (and I am sure others) continue to
>>> encourage you to do so.
>>>
>>> Best of luck to all of you.
>>>
>>> Al Rose
>>> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=butchrose
>>>
>>>  In a message dated 6/2/2012 7:20:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> rfrancispimen...@comcast.net writes:
>>>
>>> The problem is that neither of you have a GEDCOM (family Tree) posted
>>> that I can look at to compare for a common ancestor.
>>>
>>> -
>>>
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Home Is An Island

[Michael Gilfilian]

That sounds interesting, my gg grandpa ran away from the family farm at 16
yrs old to go whaling on the CW. Morgan that stopped for supplies in the
port on Faial. he returned home 10 months later and came to the US because
he heard so much about it from the crew. He lived his whole life in New
Bedford.
On May 26, 2012 8:26 AM, "John Raposo"  wrote:

> Earlier this week I started reading "Home is an Island" by Alfred Lewis
> (Tagus Press at UMass Dartmouth: 2012) which was published last month.
> Alfred was born in Flores (1902) and became prominant in California where
> he died in 1977. The book is an atobiographical novel and it is an absolute
> must read especially for 3rd and 4th generation Azorean Americans who are
> trying to understand why people in a tiny island would leave everything and
> everybody they ever knew and loved and sail off on whaling ships for the
> great and vast unknown, possibly never to return. Some did return many
> years later, loaded with treasure, becoming celebrities in their village;
> others returned quietly with empty pockets, pitied by someand ridiculed by
> others. Some died at sea, some just disappeared; others just never saw the
> familes left back on the island again. Their great grandchildren in America
> are trying to discover who "Frank Marshall" of the Wester Islands was
> before he became "assimilated and acculturated" into the melting pot
> and married their great-grandmother Mamie Murphy in California.
>
> Lewis's novel is lyrical and has a beautiful poetry like feeling about it.
>
> Another great read, along the same lines is "Dark Stones" by Dias de Melo
> (from Pico) published by Gavea Brown:1988
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba

[Michael Gilfilian]

Robyn where did you write to for the national archives and records? what
type of info did it have on it for the naturalization record?
Thankyou...mike
On May 22, 2012 9:44 AM, "Robyn Orsini"  wrote:

>  I finally received a copy of the Naturalization Record from the National
> Archives and Records Administration for my Third Great Grandfather, Antonio
> M. Borba.  Unfortunately, it didn’t give me any information I didn’t
> already know except that he was then currently residing in Tiburon.
>  Attached is a copy if anyone is interested.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Robyn Orsini
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2012 11:01 AM
> *To:* Marcio Borba; azores@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba
>
> ** **
>
> Wow!  Pretty interesting; thank you so much.  I’ll let you know what I
> find from the Naturalization Records when I receive them.  You and I just
> might be related.  Thanks, again.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Marcio Borba [mailto:marcioborba_ge...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, May 14, 2012 10:31 AM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* Robyn Orsini
> *Subject:* RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba
>
> ** **
>
> Not necessarely. Back then last names could vary. Isabel father was Joao
> Machado Borba. Would be perfeclty normal if Isabel son, Antonio, would have
> been Antonio Machado Borba
>
> Marcio Borba
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
>
> --- Em *seg, 14/5/12, Robyn Orsini * escreveu:
>
>
> De: Robyn Orsini 
> Assunto: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba
> Para: "azores@googlegroups.com" 
> Data: Segunda-feira, 14 de Maio de 2012, 18:08
>
> Thank you for the information, but the Antonio below born Nov. 5 would
> have the last name of Azevedo, not Borba, correct?  I have no other
> information about Antonio M. Borba’s parents or siblings.  Only that he
> married a woman named Emilia, and they had approximately 6 children; 4
> girls and 2 boys.  Am I missing something else in your data below?  
>
>  
>
> *From:* azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Marcio Borba
> *Sent:* Friday, May 11, 2012 8:53 PM
> *To:* azores@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* Robyn Orsini
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] NEW TOPIC: Antonio M. Borba
>
>  
>
> Hi,
>
>  
>
> The Machado Borba is very proeminent in Calheta, S. Jorge island. I have
> these in my data. please notest the Antonio born Nov. 5 below
>
> Do you have any clue on your Antonio parents or siblings?
>
>  
>
> *Descendants of Isabel Augusta de Borba*
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Generation No. 1*
>
>  
>
> *1.*  *Isabel Augusta9 de Borba*  (João Machado8, ANTÓNIO JOAQUIM
> DE BORBA7 DA SILVEIRA, JOSÉ MACHADO6 DE BORBA, MANUEL PEREIRA5, FRANCISCO4,
> ANDRÉ PEREIRA3, MANUEL PEDROSO2, ANTÓNIO PEDROSO1 TEIXEIRA) was born 12
> Nov 1859 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, and died 16 Nov 1953 in Santa Clara,
> Santa Clara Co., CA, USA.  She married *António Domingos de Azevedo* Mar
> 1883 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, son of Domingos da Silveira and Maria da
> Encarnação.  He was born 08 Jan 1861 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, and died
> 27 Feb 1944 in Santa Clara, Santa Clara Co., CA, USA.
>
> 
>
> Children of Isabel de Borba and António de Azevedo are:
>
> 2 i.Manuel Domingos10 Azevedo, born 14 Jan
> 1884 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge; died Bef. Nov 1953.
>
> 3ii.António, born 05 Nov 1885 in Calheta, ilha
> de S. Jorge.
>
> +  4   iii.Domingos Borba Azevedo, born 28 Dec 1887 in
> Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge; died 13 Aug 1955 in San Mateo Co., CA, USA.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> *Generation No. 2*
>
>  
>
> *4.*  *Domingos Borba10 Azevedo* (Isabel Augusta9 de Borba, João
> Machado8, ANTÓNIO JOAQUIM DE BORBA7 DA SILVEIRA, JOSÉ MACHADO6 DE BORBA,
> MANUEL PEREIRA5, FRANCISCO4, ANDRÉ PEREIRA3, MANUEL PEDROSO2, ANTÓNIO
> PEDROSO1 TEIXEIRA) was born 28 Dec 1887 in Calheta, ilha de S. Jorge, and
> died 13 Aug 1955 in San Mateo Co., CA, USA.  He married *Rose Roberts*Abt. 
> 1925 in Marin Co, CA, USA, daughter of José Roberto and Maria Emília.
> She was born Abt. 1898 in Marin Co., CA, USA.
>
> 
>
> Children of Domingos Azevedo and Rose Roberts are:
>
> 5 i.Gilbert11 Azevedo, born in Stanislaus
> Co., CA, USA.  He married Donna Pankoski.
>
> 6ii.Dominic Borba Azevedo, born 19 Jun 1928 in
> Santa Clara, Santa Clara Co., CA, USA; died 03 Oct 2004 in Montana, NV,
> USA.  He married Elaine Clarice Olivera in San Jose, Santa Clara Co., CA,
> USA; born in Merced Co., CA, USA.
>
>
> Marcio Borba
> Feel the Azores... visit http://azorean-roots.blogspot.com
>
> --- Em *sáb, 12/5/12, rorsini * escreveu:
>
>
> De: rorsini 
> Assunto: [AZO

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] St Johns Cemetery Book

[Michael Gilfilian]

One place to look is the new Bedford public library, they have a  genealogy
dept that is quite helpful, donations go far and are recommended and very
appreciated.
On May 18, 2012 9:26 PM, "Leonard Silva"  wrote:

> I am a newbie here and found this group by Googling St Johns cemetery.  I
> understand there is a book of burial records available.  I am 69 years old
> and started researching my roots less than a year ago.  I am finding that I
> need accurate death dates to get anywhere and I'm hoping to get some help
> here.
>
> My grandfather was Manuel Correia Silva b. 16 Nov 1867 at Covas,
> Graciosa.  He arrived in New Bedford on 22 Apr 1882 at the age of  15.
> Family lore says he came as a stowaway.  He was a well known and successful
> barber in New Bedford from 1883 until his retirement around 1937.  I think
> that everyone in the family came from Covas or Fontes, Graciosa.
>
> He married Anna or Anne Mendonca in 1886. She was also from Covas.  They
> had four children, Mary b. 3 Jan 1887, Anna b. 12 Feb 1891, Manuel Jr. b.
> 15 jun 1898 and Charles b. 16 Jun 1899.  Those last two dates are suspect.
> Mary married Edmund Burke and Anna married John Key.
>
> Anne died on 22 Dec 1909 and is buried at St. Johns.
>
> Manuel married Laurentina Mendonca on 12 Jun 1911 and they had a son
> Leonard Correia b. 6 Feb 1921.
>
> Others buried in what I think is a family plot might be Charles who died
> sometime between 1937 and 1940, Manuel Sr. who I think died in 1956, Laura
> or Laurentina about 1957-58.
>
> Other family names that might be there are Mendoza, Mendonca, Espindola,
> Medeiros.
>
> I am hoping to find actual death dates for any of these ancestors.
>
> Thanks you very much.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: death record

[Michael Gilfilian]

I only asked about the whaling because my grt grt grandpa ran away from
home on Faial to go whaling on the cw Morgan, but the death is what I
really want
On May 18, 2012 11:56 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> And this book has death records that will help Mike?
>
> Cheri Mello
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: death record

[Michael Gilfilian]

The reason why I asked about whaling is that my grt grt grandfather ran
away from the family farm on Faial at 16 yrs old in 1884 to go whaling on
the Charles W Morgan. After 8 months the Morgan went back to Faial to
resupply and he went home. But he heard so much about the USA from the crew
in 1888 he came to new Bedford for good.
On May 17, 2012 8:39 PM, "Katharine"  wrote:

> Two respected books on Portuguese whalers that might interest you are:
>
> Bertão, David E.  "The Portuguese Shore Whalers of California,
> 1854-1904" (San Jose, CA.: Portuguese Heritage Publications of
> California, 2006.  (300 pp., 9″ x 12″):
>
> http://portuguesebooks.org/books/the-portuguese-shore-whalers-of-california-1854-1904
>
> Warrin [sic], Donald, Ph.D.  "So Ends This Day: The Portuguese in
> American Whaling, 1765–1927." Dartmouth, MA: Tagus Press at UMass
> Dartmouth, 2010.  (416 pp. 49 illus.):
> http://www.upne.com/1933227283.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] definition

[Michael Gilfilian]

First I called and spoke to a lovely woman named Marge Ferreira, if you are
very sweet to her on the phone she'll tell you to write to her and she will
kindly go look in the books and copy them for you but you need the exact
name and birthdate of who you want. Any requests about the cemetery need to
go directly to them or she will forward it. I've gotten several things from
her in a weeks time each timemike

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:51 AM,  wrote:

> **
> Mike,
>
> I am curious as to how you got the baptismal certificate from St. John's?
> Did you go in person or mail a request? Did you send a donation if it was
> by mail?
>
> I ask because I have tried over the years to get a marriage record for my
> great-grandparents from that parish & they ignored me over & over. I sent
> donations and even sent a letter to the Diocese asking how to get a copy.
> They told me to write to Father Oliveria, which I did & sent a copy of the
> letter from the Diocese, but I got nothing. My cousin hired a professional
> genealogist to go there & try to get a copy of the record but she wasn't
> able to either. I gave up.
>
> I was so surprised to see you were successful.
> Sherry
>
>
>  In a message dated 5/15/2012 6:21:44 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> mgilfilia...@gmail.com writes:
>
> I just received my grand uncles Antonio Silveira Pereira baptism
> certificate from st. john the baptist church in new bedford, and one of the
> sponsors listed is a "Custodio Pereira da Rosa" my question is a name of a
> position or a title of some sort? thanks for your help.Mike
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] definition

[Michael Gilfilian]

I didn't know if it meant godfather

On May 15, 2012 10:26 AM, "Richard Francis Pimentel" <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Custodio is a first name not a job title or position.
>
>
>
> Rick
>
>
>
> Richard Francis Pimentel
>
> Spring, TX
>
> Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire
>
>
>
> Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha Ponta Delgada, and Achada Grande,
Sao Miguel, Acores
>
>
>
> From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Mike
> Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 7:38 AM
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] definition
>
>
>
> I just received my grand uncles Antonio Silveira Pereira baptism
certificate from st. john the baptist church in new bedford, and one of the
sponsors listed is a "Custodio Pereira da Rosa" my question is a name of a
position or a title of some sort? thanks for your help.Mike
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: great grandpa help

[Michael Gilfilian]

No she wasn't, the marriage to Joe pine was her first and William and
Donald were the only two children she had
 On May 9, 2012 3:06 PM, "Pam Santos"  wrote:

> Well if you find out if that Mary Perry was living in Fall River prior to
> that marriage, she might be in my file. I have a Antone Jacintho Pereia who
> married Maria da Encarnacao. Maria's line connects to my Silva line.
>
>
> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:23 PM, eric edgar  wrote:
>
>>
>> The 1930 census shows Mary L Perry has re married to Charles O'Neil, and
>> lives in New Bedford with 3 of his children, two of his step-children from
>> before their marriage and her two children William Pine  12 yrs and Donald
>> R Pine  8 yrs.
>>
>> The Pine children are born in Massachucetts, and since Donald was born in
>> 1922, Joe Pine must have been alive after 1918.
>>
>> Eric Edgar
>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 4:10 PM, eric edgar  wrote:
>>
>>> I've determined the Hayward couple is too old to be correct.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:57 PM, eric edgar wrote:
>>>
 The 1920 census for Dartmouth MA shows that William Pine . grandson and
 his mother Mary Pine, are in her parents house. She is listed as married.
 Perhaps Joe Pine wasn't dead , but she left for other reasons.

 Joe Pine's draft card of Sept 1918 shows he and Mary were living on B
 st in Hayward. Sound like the right people?

 Eric Edgar

 On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 9:10 PM, Katharine 
 wrote:

> I wonder if Joe Pine died of the Spanish influenza (not that it would
> necessarily help in finding his records, I suppose).  It certainly ran
> rampant through Alameda County, California, where my maternal
> grandmother (among many) had it.  My mother was 5 at the time, and
> remembered being traumatized by the numerous funerals in Berkeley and
> Oakland to which her mother dragged her for people who died of the
> flu.  Katharine.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] clarify record please

[Michael Gilfilian]

Cheri turns out I had the wrong record, there was a record for Rockland
street which is the address for the house my grt grt grandpa built, i'm in
touch with the new Bedford clerk, she is working up what the fee will be
and is willing to go Look in the basement. I also just mailed my request to
st John the baptist church after talking to Marge that works there, yes the
church is closing but know timeframe yet...Mike
On May 9, 2012 11:10 AM, "Cheri Mello"  wrote:

> Mike,
>
> "Madeiros" sounds like it should be a corruption of the surname
> "Medeiros."  Madeira is a different archipelago.  It's not part of the
> Azores.  Maybe someone else has another idea for that place name.
>
> You'll need a different record.  Try for the marriage at St. John the
> Baptist as we discussed before or you can try the city records as Elaine
> suggested in a previous post.
>
> An immigrant of that time period is more likely to give his freguesia to
> another Portuguese entity.  What I mean by that, is he more likely to be
> more general with the U.S. government (WWI Draft, censuses) than he is
> where they are speaking Portuguese and have some knowledge of the Azores
> (like the first Portuguese church in America - St. John the Baptist) or if
> he belonged to a Portuguese Society or if his family stated it in his U.S.
> obituary.
>
> Example:  When I'm traveling, people ask where I'm from.  I say Los
> Angeles.  I don't live in Los Angeles itself.  I do live in Los Angeles
> County.  But if I'm out of state, I say Los Angeles because most people
> know where that is.  Now, when I'm with the Portuguese band, I say I'm from
> Artesia (it's part of Los Angeles county too).  I don't live there either,
> but when I'm with them, just say that.
>
> So think about the circumstances your immigrant ancestor was in.  It helps
> explain some of their vague answers.
>
> Cheri Mello
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> Tainhas, Achada
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 15 Messages in 7 Topics

[Michael Gilfilian]

To "E" where did you find this info on the Jose Pinheiro's? I'm leaning
towards the one living in S. Dartmouth with the throat affliction because
that is where my 2nd grt grandpa built his home on Rockland street. Yes we
are absolutely positive he died shortly after my grandpa was born in 1918,
my grandmother who is still alive and in very good condition and a cousin
who was old enough to know more of the family and shares the same side of
the family tree also says that he died very young. There is some belief Joe
Pines middle initial was "F" but I can't be positive...Mike

On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 2:15 AM,  wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/azores/topics
>
>- surnames <#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_0> [1 Update]
>- great grandpa help <#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_1> [3 Updates]
>- CCA Web Site update (it MOVED) <#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_2> [1
>Update]
>- New Topic. Differance in first names<#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_3>[2 
> Updates]
>- can someone help reading a record? <#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_4>[3 
> Updates]
>- Francisco Pereira & Rosa Vicente- Sao 
> Miguel<#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_5>[4 Updates]
>- Manuel Cunha Pacheco in Providence, 
> RI<#1372b168841c1bdc_group_thread_6>[1 Update]
>
>   surnames 
>
>Cheri Mello  May 07 09:13PM -0700
>
>Yes there are a few that cluster more than others. Bettencourt is found
>more often in the central island group, for example. As for Silva,
>it's all
>over the place.
>
>
>
>   great grandpa help
>
>Mike  May 07 06:55AM -0700
>
>I would like to ask for some help with finding my great grandfather.
>We
>believe his name was Jose(Joseph) Pinheiro(Pine) based on what my
>grandma
>who's still living tells me. He was married to my great grandma Maria
>Pereira(Perry) we believe between 1916/1918 based on when my grandpa
>William Francis Pine was born on 2/16/1918.
>Joe Pine died before 1920 because he is not listed on the census of
>1920
>when my great grandma moved back home to new bedford to her mom and
>dads
>home.
>My grandma believes Joe Pine was aprox 23 when he died and she
>believes it
>was in California, We believe that Maria and Jose got married in
>California
>because my grandma said she followed Joe Pine out there.
>Anything the group can help with would greatly appreciate, if more
>information is needed so you can help I can try and find it for you.
>Thanks Ahead,
>Mike
>
>
>
>
>bellema...@gmail.com May 07 04:51PM
>
>Mike,
>
>There is a Joe C. Pine WWI Draft Registration Record (1917) living in
>Alameda County CA. He was born April 14, 1892 in Fayal, Azores. He had
>a
>wife named Rose. There is a 1951 Naturalization Card for this Joseph
>Correia Pine in Newark CA. Here it says he was born April 14, 1892.
>There
>is a Joseph Pine b. April 23, 1894 living in South Dartmouth in 1917
>also
>b. in Fayal. It says he has a thoat affliction and he was working at
>the
>Gosnold Mills. It says he is married. There's a Joseph Pine b. Sept.
>15,
>1892 in Sao Miguel, Azores, living in New Bedford in 1917 but his one
>says
>he is single.
>
>There are several Jose Pinheiro Draft Registration Records living in
>CA/MA.
>
>Then there is this ship's listName: Jose S Pinheiro
>Age: 19
>Estimated Birth Year: abt 1893
>Birthplace: Salao?, Fayal Azores
>Gender: Male
>Ethnic Background: Portuguese
>Arrival Date: 12 Sep 1912
>Port of Arrival: Providence, Rhode Island
>Port of Departure: Horta, Fayal, Azores, Portugal
>Ship Name: Roma
>Leaving his father Manuel Furtado da Rosa, Salao, Fayal, Azores- going
>to
>his brother in law Luiz Lopes, Providence RI
>
>Do you know if he had a middle name? How sure are you that he died?
>Maybe
>she just left him and returned home? I just helped a girl with her
>ancestor
>and a few months ago she found out he had a 2nd family back East
>before he
>married her ggrandmother. She said he never spoke of this first wife
>and
>children. You can imagine she was elated to find her new found family.
>
>"E"
>
>
>
>
>Robin Lebo  May 07 07:28PM -0500
>
>Dear Mike,
>
>I went into find a grave and found a Manuel Joseph Pine b 1893, d
>1914. His find a grave number is 88554320. This is at the Holy Ghost
>Cemetery, Fremont, Alameda County, California. Plot: Row 18. It says it
>shares the stone with Frank. I went to the Frank Pine in the same cemetery,
>but I could not find which Frank it was. the Frank Pine listed had others
>in that area but not the same plot. I found others, Pine, Joe and Joseph,
>but none had died before 1920.
>This might b

Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Digest for azores@googlegroups.com - 15 Messages in 6 Topics

[Michael Gilfilian]

Back to St.John the Baptist church, your request must be submitted in
writing is what the lady told me, but she did giver me my grt grandmas
baptismal cert with additional info on the back of it. On s side I finally
found the marriage details of my 2nd grt grandparents and it had the date
the city and my 3rd grt grandparents full names, still no listing of what
village they are from, but now I know where to look for the marriage
applications papers...ooh rah
 On May 6, 2012 1:25 AM,  wrote:

>   Today's Topic Summary
>
> Group: http://groups.google.com/group/azores/topics
>
>- Ancestry Charts Poster size <#137209c047e54ba1_group_thread_0> [8
>Updates]
>- Manuel de Sousa da Silva <#137209c047e54ba1_group_thread_1> [1
>Update]
>- San Francisco, California Online 
> records<#137209c047e54ba1_group_thread_2>[2 Updates]
>- Family Data Collection <#137209c047e54ba1_group_thread_3> [1 Update]
>- any ideas where to look next <#137209c047e54ba1_group_thread_4> [2
>Updates]
>- New Topic. Differance in first names<#137209c047e54ba1_group_thread_5>[1 
> Update]
>
>   Ancestry Charts Poster 
> size
>
>Pam Santos  May 05 12:52AM -0700
>
>Has anyone printed big charts and if so where? I have been looking for
>years to have one printed I found this place and I am just wondering if
>anyone has used them or another place..
>
>http://www.familygraphics.com/
>
>
>
>
>Marilyn Thompson  May 05 09:19AM -0600
>
>What size are you talking about? 24 x 24 or larger? I have had kinkos
>print some large charts. I do not know how the prices would be compared
>between them. If you have other copy places compare prices. I have seen
>sample prints from the company you are asking about and they do a nice
>job.
>Hope this helps
>
>
>
>
>
>Cheri Mello  May 05 10:08AM -0700
>
>Wholly Genes (makers of The Master Genealogist) also has a chart
>printing
>division. I also have a friend who does them too.
>
>Cheri Mello
>Listowner, Azores-Gen
>Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das
>Tainhas,
>Achada
>
>
>
>
>carab...@aol.com May 05 02:40PM -0400
>
>I had a friend who went to Office Depot & had his chart printed for a
>few
>dollars. It was 24 X 36 I believe. I know it was a rectangle.
>
>
>In a message dated 5/5/2012 9:41:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>mari...@jmtmlt.com writes:
>
>What size are you talking about? 24 x 24 or larger? I have had
>kinkos print some large charts. I do not know how the prices would be
>compared
>between them. If you have other copy places compare prices. I have
>seen
>sample prints from the company you are asking about and they do a nice
>job.
>Hope this helps
>
>
>
>
>"Eileen Leite"  May 05 02:21PM -0500
>
>Make some calls: Office Depot was cheaper in my area than another
>well-known
>place. Also, 'standard sizes' like 2'x3' may be significantly cheaper
>than
>odd sizes. If your chart blows up to an odd size - mine did -- ask if
>they
>will print as a standard size, ie add white space. I had my fanchart
>printed in color and mounted on foam board for a display, and it was
>about a
>third the price to have it made 'standard' rather than proportional.
>
>
>
>From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On
>Behalf Of
>carab...@aol.com
>Sent: Saturday, May 05, 2012 1:40 PM
>To: azores@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Ancestry Charts Poster size
>
>
>
>I had a friend who went to Office Depot & had his chart printed for a
>few
>dollars. It was 24 X 36 I believe. I know it was a rectangle.
>
>
>
>In a message dated 5/5/2012 9:41:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
>mari...@jmtmlt.com writes:
>
>What size are you talking about? 24 x 24 or larger? I have had kinkos
>print some large charts. I do not know how the prices would be compared
>between them. If you have other copy places compare prices. I have seen
>sample prints from the company you are asking about and they do a nice
>job.
>Hope this helps
>
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>Pam Santos  May 05 06:42PM -0700
>
>My chart is big, when I first started out 15 yrs ago I had taped them
>together (I actually had my niece do it lol) at that time it was 8ft
>long.
>So you can imagine how big it is now.

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: any ideas where to look next

[MICHAEL GILFILIAN]

I have their obits but they only mention who has survived them and
where they went to church, nothing else that will give me any clues, I
don't have the ships manifest I only know he came to new bedford on a
square rigged ship thats it, I don't know how to identify it. Is there
only one port on Faial that he would have left from, would that even
help?

On May 3, 12:22 pm, bellema...@gmail.com wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Do you have their obits from New Bedford Public Library (2nd floor)? Did
> they belong to a local insurance society - this might be listed in the obit
> and it might give you where he came from? Someone on this list, her name
> slips my mind, might be able to help you with this. Have you checked this
> sitehttps://news.arcasearch.com/usmaums/which is UMass Dartmouth
> Newspapers Archives, choose Diario de Noticias, as that is the local New
> Bedford area one. I assume you have his ship's manifest (which did not list
> where he came from?) Did you get their marriage record from Vital Records
> in NB across the street from the Library. You have to pay $15-20 for this -
> BUT tell them you want it ONLY if they will give you the papers they filled
> out to obtain the license - don't do it just for a copy of the marriage
> certificate (unless you want it but info is very limited on it). There is a
> lot more info on the papers they filled out. Hopefully, the info you seek
> is there. It won't give you the parish, but it might (hopefully) give you
> the village. Depending on who you get there, they might not want to do this
> as I think they have to go to the basement of something to do it but if you
> ask VERY, VERY nicely, they usually oblige. They are very nice at both
> Library and Vitals.
>
> "E"
> California

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[AZORES-Genealogy] any ideas where to look next

[MICHAEL GILFILIAN]

I'm trying like heck to figure out which village on faial my grt grt
grandfather Antonio Silveira Pereira came from. None of the
information that I've gotten from the church in New Bedford where he
got married in, his 2 kids were baptised in, in funeral was and the
cemetery where he's buried have even hinted to where he came from. I
know the date he landed in New Bedford 4/1/1888, he got married on
6/13/1897 at St. John the baptist church when it was on the corner of
Wing St. to Maria Leal, their first daughter my grt grandmother Maria
Pereira was born on 9/05/1898 and baptised on 10/05/1898, they lived
in fairhaven for 3 yrs after their mariage then moved to south
dartmouth where they lived until his wife died on may 31, 1932 and the
rest of his life when he died july 6th 1957 at the age of 90. their
birthdays are unknown. I thought we knew for sure that his wife's
family was from Pico now I don't know.
If you have any ideas I could use them...

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: neps

[MICHAEL GILFILIAN]

I goofed this all up and confused the NEPS site with another my
apologies to the group and to Gayle who really tried to help me
out

On May 2, 12:55 am, Gayle Machado
 wrote:
> Good. Then it's just a matter of time until you find what you're looking for. 
> Happy hunting.
>
> Gayle
>
> On May 1, 2012, at 8:52 PM, "Michael Gilfilian" 
> mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I know how to get the English pages up just having problems finding who i'm 
> looking for...
>
> On May 1, 2012 7:31 PM, "Gayle Machado" 
> <<mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu<mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>>
>  wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Here's one of the pages where you'll see the flags:
> <http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=pt>http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=pt
>
> This is for Madalena on Pico. Notice the "lang=pt" at the end of the above 
> address. If you go to this site, everything is in Portuguese (pt), but click 
> on the Union Jack and everything will switch to English. The web address will 
> now say:
> <http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=en>http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=en
>
> From there everything should be much easier.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Gayle
>
> From: Michael Gilfilian 
> <<mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>mgilfilia...@gmail.com<mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>mgilfilia...@gmail.com<mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>>>
> Reply-To: 
> <<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>>
> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:28:10 -0400
> To: 
> <<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>azores@googlegroups.com<mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] neps
>
> Cheri told me about the flags before, I probably need more info to use the 
> site correctly
>
> On May 1, 2012 6:22 PM, "Gayle Machado" 
> <<mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu<mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu<mailto:gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>>>
>  wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I can't answer your question about any numbers on the "left" simply
> because I don't see any. [I use a MAC, but not sure if that's why.] I see
> numbers following some of the names which indicate the lifetime of an
> individual.
>
> However, it's your comment on "trying to learn the language" that I would
> like to address. Using NEPS allows you to switch into other languages. For
> example, I'd rather see the abstract in English, so whenever I go into a
> village there will appear some rows of flags towards the top of the page.
> By clicking on the Union Jack (England's flag) then all the Portuguese
> words are translated into English. But, I could just as easily switch to
> Swedish by clicking on the flag of Sweden if so desired.  The records will
> stay in my language of choice until I switch to another village. But as
> soon as the flags show up I just switch back to my preferred language.
>
> Sorry, I couldn't shed any light on the numbers issue.
>
> Gayle
>
> On 5/1/12 11:05 AM, "MICHAEL GILFILIAN" 
> <<mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>mgilfilia...@gmail.com<mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>mgilfilia...@gmail.com<mailto:mgilfilia...@gmail.com>>>
>  wrote:
>
> >When using the neps site and you see all those numbers on the left,
> >are they pages of names and info our are they individual peoples? I'm
> >still learning the site and trying to learn the language so I know
> >what i'm looking at.
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] neps

[Michael Gilfilian]

I know how to get the English pages up just having problems finding who i'm
looking for...
On May 1, 2012 7:31 PM, "Gayle Machado" 
wrote:

> Michael,
>
> Here's one of the pages where you'll see the flags:
> http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=pt
>
> This is for Madalena on Pico. Notice the "lang=pt" at the end of the above
> address. If you go to this site, everything is in Portuguese (pt), but
> click on the Union Jack and everything will switch to English. The web
> address will now say:
> http://www.neps.ics.uminho.pt/geneweb/gwd.exe?b=cmadalena;lang=en
>
> From there everything should be much easier.
>
> Hope that helps,
>
> Gayle
>
>
> From: Michael Gilfilian  mgilfilia...@gmail.com>>
> Reply-To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 18:28:10 -0400
> To: mailto:azores@googlegroups.com>>
> Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] neps
>
>
> Cheri told me about the flags before, I probably need more info to use the
> site correctly
>
> On May 1, 2012 6:22 PM, "Gayle Machado" <
> gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu gayle.mach...@fresnocitycollege.edu>> wrote:
> Michael,
>
> I can't answer your question about any numbers on the "left" simply
> because I don't see any. [I use a MAC, but not sure if that's why.] I see
> numbers following some of the names which indicate the lifetime of an
> individual.
>
> However, it's your comment on "trying to learn the language" that I would
> like to address. Using NEPS allows you to switch into other languages. For
> example, I'd rather see the abstract in English, so whenever I go into a
> village there will appear some rows of flags towards the top of the page.
> By clicking on the Union Jack (England's flag) then all the Portuguese
> words are translated into English. But, I could just as easily switch to
> Swedish by clicking on the flag of Sweden if so desired.  The records will
> stay in my language of choice until I switch to another village. But as
> soon as the flags show up I just switch back to my preferred language.
>
> Sorry, I couldn't shed any light on the numbers issue.
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On 5/1/12 11:05 AM, "MICHAEL GILFILIAN"  mgilfilia...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >When using the neps site and you see all those numbers on the left,
> >are they pages of names and info our are they individual peoples? I'm
> >still learning the site and trying to learn the language so I know
> >what i'm looking at.
> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] neps

[Michael Gilfilian]

Cheri told me about the flags before, I probably need more info to use the
site correctly
On May 1, 2012 6:22 PM, "Gayle Machado" 
wrote:

> Michael,
>
> I can't answer your question about any numbers on the "left" simply
> because I don't see any. [I use a MAC, but not sure if that's why.] I see
> numbers following some of the names which indicate the lifetime of an
> individual.
>
> However, it's your comment on "trying to learn the language" that I would
> like to address. Using NEPS allows you to switch into other languages. For
> example, I'd rather see the abstract in English, so whenever I go into a
> village there will appear some rows of flags towards the top of the page.
> By clicking on the Union Jack (England's flag) then all the Portuguese
> words are translated into English. But, I could just as easily switch to
> Swedish by clicking on the flag of Sweden if so desired.  The records will
> stay in my language of choice until I switch to another village. But as
> soon as the flags show up I just switch back to my preferred language.
>
> Sorry, I couldn't shed any light on the numbers issue.
>
> Gayle
>
>
>
> On 5/1/12 11:05 AM, "MICHAEL GILFILIAN"  wrote:
>
> >When using the neps site and you see all those numbers on the left,
> >are they pages of names and info our are they individual peoples? I'm
> >still learning the site and trying to learn the language so I know
> >what i'm looking at.
> >
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[AZORES-Genealogy] neps

[MICHAEL GILFILIAN]

When using the neps site and you see all those numbers on the left,
are they pages of names and info our are they individual peoples? I'm
still learning the site and trying to learn the language so I know
what i'm looking at.

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