Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
I do not know if this is of any help: Here is what Rodrigo Rodrigues has relative to theSanta Maria Baltazar 10 - Catarina Rosa Ferreira, 4.ª padroeira dorecolhimento da Conceição de Vila do Porto. Nasceu em Santo Espirito e casou emS. Pedro (Santa Maria) a 23.4.1725, com Bartolomeu de Andrade de Moura, filhode Baltazar Gomes de Moura e de BárbaraVelho.Tiveram:11 - José Álvares Cabral, Vigário da freguesia deSanto Espirito de S. Miguel e administrador do padroado do recolhimento daConceição em Vila do Porto. Fez testamento em Vila do Porto a 16.6.1794 emorreu a 1.7.1794, deixando ao recolhimento os seus bens.**3 - Maria de Matos, que casou na Matriz de Vila do Porto a11.9.1619 com António Curvelo da Fonte, filho de Baltazar Curvelo da Fonte eCatarina Simoa.Tiveram:4 - Baltazar Gomes de Moura. John Miranda Raposo On Friday, August 12, 2016 4:10 AM, Ricardo Chaves wrote: Hi all, and Theresa. Theresa, do you have records for all that? For example: How do you know that this Balthazar of yours, was born in 1635? And how he died in 1712? And which Azenha are you referring too? Usually they mention if its AZENHA de BAIXO or de CIMA. How do you know (please give me proof) that Balthazar who Married Marianna de Mello, is AKA Gomes Moura or Freitas? The father of Manuel Jose de Mello are my MALE direct line. I'm the oldest son, of the oldest, and alive, 5th Balthazar's grandson, in other words, my Dad. But I already told you in the past you have names and dates in your tree (our) that doesn't make sense. I emailed you a few times but now with this post here at Cheri's group, it seams you have a new email. Cheers Theresa On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Theresa Entin wrote: Hi All and Marcio, Marcio you have a good memory for Santa Maria People. This is what I have I have: Baltazar Gomes #1 born about 1635 in Vila do Porto died 1712in Azenhas. No wife. He has 4 children born in SE. Including Baltzar Gomes Velho, AKA Baltazar Gomes Moura#2who marries Barbara Velho Moura akaBarbara Faleiro. Baltazar and Barbarahave a bunch of kids. Including BaltazarGomes Moura#3 who married Isable Fontes AKA Isabel Sousa. They have 8 children. Including BaltazarGomes Moura #4 aka Baltazar Gomes Freitas who marries Mariana Melo. They have two children that I found. So in fact there aremore than 2 Baltazrs in this line. On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:03 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy wrote: Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Bárbara Velho are not the same Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Isabel de Fontes. Bota couples lived in St. Espírito. the Balthazar married to Barbara had kids already in 1674 meanwhile Balthazar married to Isabel started to have kids in 1689 I believe ( I would have to check my info to be sure since I'm not home right now) Sent from my iPhone On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" came from. I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of Izabel. Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems strange. Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. Maybe I should keep looking. Top right: http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA- VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/ SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643- 1706_item1/P16.html Maria Elena On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote: Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) 16 June 1672 Balthezar Gomes Leandro (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) SPOUSE Isabel Pacheco de Liam (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) GODPARENTS Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira Hope this helps a little bit Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" To: "AZORES" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage Help with names of parents? please? Bottom right hand Starting with the fifth line down. http://culturacores.azores. gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA- VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA- VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/ P19.html Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Hi all, and Theresa. Theresa, do you have records for all that? For example: How do you know that this Balthazar of yours, was born in 1635? And how he died in 1712? And which Azenha are you referring too? Usually they mention if its AZENHA de BAIXO or de CIMA. How do you know (please give me proof) that Balthazar who Married Marianna de Mello, is AKA Gomes Moura or Freitas? The father of Manuel Jose de Mello are my MALE direct line. I'm the oldest son, of the oldest, and alive, 5th Balthazar's grandson, in other words, my Dad. But I already told you in the past you have names and dates in your tree (our) that doesn't make sense. I emailed you a few times but now with this post here at Cheri's group, it seams you have a new email. Cheers Theresa On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:29 PM, Theresa Entin wrote: > Hi All and Marcio, > > Marcio you have a good memory for Santa Maria People. > > This is what I have I have: > > > > Baltazar Gomes #1 born about 1635 in Vila do Porto died 1712 in Azenhas. > No wife. He has 4 children born in SE. > > > > Including Baltzar Gomes Velho, AKA Baltazar Gomes Moura #2who marries > Barbara Velho Moura aka Barbara Faleiro. Baltazar and Barbara have a > bunch of kids. > > > > Including Baltazar Gomes Moura#3 who married Isable Fontes AKA Isabel > Sousa. They have 8 children. > > > > Including Baltazar Gomes Moura #4 aka Baltazar Gomes Freitas who marries > Mariana Melo. They have two children that I found. > > > > So in fact there are more than 2 Baltazrs in this line. > > > > > On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:03 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy < > azores@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Bárbara Velho are not the same Baltazar Gomes > de Moira and Isabel de Fontes. Bota couples lived in St. Espírito. the > Balthazar married to Barbara had kids already in 1674 meanwhile Balthazar > married to Isabel started to have kids in 1689 I believe ( I would have to > check my info to be sure since I'm not home right now) > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: > > Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this > marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The > baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as > Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name > was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" > came from. > > I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name > of Izabel. > > > Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before > he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va > but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems > strange. Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only > that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. > Maybe I should keep looking. > > Top right: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA- > VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html > > > > Maria Elena > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre > wrote: > > Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) > > 16 June 1672 > Balthezar Gomes Leandro > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) > SPOUSE > Isabel Pacheco de Liam > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) > GODPARENTS > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira > > Hope this helps a little bit > Shirley in CA > > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" > To: "AZORES" > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage > > > > Help with names of parents? please? > Bottom right hand > > Starting with the fifth line down. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA- > VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html > > > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife > Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel > Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- > > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de > "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) > > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). > did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out > who is the child of Balteza
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Hi All and Marcio, Marcio you have a good memory for Santa Maria People. This is what I have I have: Baltazar Gomes #1 born about 1635 in Vila do Porto died 1712 in Azenhas. No wife. He has 4 children born in SE. Including Baltzar Gomes Velho, AKA Baltazar Gomes Moura #2who marries Barbara Velho Moura aka Barbara Faleiro. Baltazar and Barbara have a bunch of kids. Including Baltazar Gomes Moura#3 who married Isable Fontes AKA Isabel Sousa. They have 8 children. Including Baltazar Gomes Moura #4 aka Baltazar Gomes Freitas who marries Mariana Melo. They have two children that I found. So in fact there are more than 2 Baltazrs in this line. > On Aug 11, 2016, at 2:03 PM, 'Marcio' via Azores Genealogy > wrote: > > Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Bárbara Velho are not the same Baltazar Gomes de > Moira and Isabel de Fontes. Bota couples lived in St. Espírito. the > Balthazar married to Barbara had kids already in 1674 meanwhile Balthazar > married to Isabel started to have kids in 1689 I believe ( I would have to > check my info to be sure since I'm not home right now) > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: >> >> Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this >> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The >> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as >> Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name >> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" >> came from. >> >> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of >> Izabel. >> >> >> Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before >> he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va >> but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems strange. >> Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that went >> back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. >> Maybe I should keep looking. >> >> Top right: >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html >> >> >> >> Maria Elena >> >>> On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote: >>> >>> Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) >>> >>> 16 June 1672 >>> Balthezar Gomes Leandro >>> (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) >>> SPOUSE >>> Isabel Pacheco de Liam >>> (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) >>> GODPARENTS >>> Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira >>> >>> Hope this helps a little bit >>> Shirley in CA >>> >>> - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" >>> To: "AZORES" >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM >>> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage >>> >>> >>> >>> Help with names of parents? please? >>> Bottom right hand >>> >>> Starting with the fifth line down. >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html >>> >>> >>> Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife >>> Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel >>> Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- >>> >>> Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de >>> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) >>> And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) >>> >>> Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). >>> did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out >>> who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please help >>> me with this? Thank you. >>> >>> Maria Elena >>> >>> -- >>> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >>> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >>> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >>> -
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Bárbara Velho are not the same Baltazar Gomes de Moira and Isabel de Fontes. Bota couples lived in St. Espírito. the Balthazar married to Barbara had kids already in 1674 meanwhile Balthazar married to Isabel started to have kids in 1689 I believe ( I would have to check my info to be sure since I'm not home right now) Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: > > Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this > marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The > baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as > Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name > was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" > came from. > > I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of > Izabel. > > > Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before he > married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va but it > doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems strange. Here it > is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that went back into > the 1600's on Santa Maria. > Maybe I should keep looking. > > Top right: > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html > > > > Maria Elena > >> On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote: >> >> Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) >> >> 16 June 1672 >> Balthezar Gomes Leandro >> (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) >> SPOUSE >> Isabel Pacheco de Liam >> (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) >> GODPARENTS >> Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira >> >> Hope this helps a little bit >> Shirley in CA >> >> - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" >> To: "AZORES" >> Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM >> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage >> >> >> >> Help with names of parents? please? >> Bottom right hand >> >> Starting with the fifth line down. >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html >> >> >> Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife Anna(?) >> or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel Fo... (I >> know it's Fontes fm other records)- >> >> Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de >> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) >> And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) >> >> Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). >> did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out who >> is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please help me >> with this? Thank you. >> >> Maria Elena >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. >> >> -- >> For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right >> that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." >> --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacat
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Thanks Margaret. I regarding the "va" at the end of the last name, Velha- oops- I didn't realize that was an abbreviation for widowed. Thanks for teaching me. Regarding Izabel- I will see if I can find another marriage of a Baltezar Gomez de Moira and IZABEL de Fontes. I thought I had found it. More digging.😁😁😁 Maria Elena > On Aug 2, 2016, at 11:21 PM, Margaret Vicente > wrote: > > Sorry, ignore the "Francisca" part as it relates to something else I was > working on and I got it mixed up...sorry. > >> On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Margaret Vicente >> wrote: >> Maria, I don't see how it would change from Pacheco de Leandres to Fontes as >> she seems to carry her Mother's name on this marriage record. Note also >> that the bride has two first names "Isabel Francisca" perhaps this is not >> the right couple? >> >> The marriage record itself inferred Baltazar was re-married. First it names >> the Groom's parents: Baltasar Gomes de Moura and Ana Velha. Secondly names >> the Godparents as the Groom's own father (seu pai) Baltazar Gomes the Moura >> and his wife Barbara Velha. >> >> Regarding the link for Ana Velha's obit, this is not the Groom's Mother >> because the record reads Ana Velha, viuva "widow" at time of her death, >> which is not the case here as Baltazar was still living >> >> >> >>> On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: >>> Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this >>> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The >>> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as >>> Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name >>> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" >>> came from. >>> >>> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of >>> Izabel. >>> >>> >>> Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before >>> he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va >>> but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems strange. >>> Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that >>> went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. >>> Maybe I should keep looking. >>> >>> Top right: >>> >>> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html >>> >>> >>> >>> Maria Elena >>> >>> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre >>> > wrote: >>> > >>> > Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) >>> > >>> > 16 June 1672 >>> > Balthezar Gomes Leandro >>> > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) >>> > SPOUSE >>> > Isabel Pacheco de Liam >>> > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) >>> > GODPARENTS >>> > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira >>> > >>> > Hope this helps a little bit >>> > Shirley in CA >>> > >>> > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" >>> > To: "AZORES" >>> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM >>> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > Help with names of parents? please? >>> > Bottom right hand >>> > >>> > Starting with the fifth line down. >>> > >>> > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html >>> > >>> > >>> > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife >>> > Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel >>> > Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- >>> > >>> > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de >>> > "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) >>> > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) >>> > >>> > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va >>> >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Sorry, ignore the "Francisca" part as it relates to something else I was working on and I got it mixed up...sorry. On Wed, Aug 3, 2016 at 12:18 AM, Margaret Vicente wrote: > Maria, I don't see how it would change from Pacheco de Leandres to Fontes > as she seems to carry her Mother's name on this marriage record. Note also > that the bride has two first names "Isabel Francisca" perhaps this is not > the right couple? > > The marriage record itself inferred Baltazar was re-married. First it > names the Groom's parents: Baltasar Gomes de Moura and Ana Velha. Secondly > names the Godparents as the Groom's own father (seu pai) Baltazar Gomes the > Moura and his wife Barbara Velha. > > Regarding the link for Ana Velha's obit, this is not the Groom's Mother > because the record reads Ana Velha, viuva "widow" at time of her death, > which is not the case here as Baltazar was still living > > > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima > wrote: > >> Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this >> marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The >> baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as >> Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name >> was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" >> came from. >> >> I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name >> of Izabel. >> >> >> Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married >> before he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna >> Velha Va but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems >> strange. Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only >> that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. >> Maybe I should keep looking. >> >> Top right: >> >> >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html >> >> >> >> Maria Elena >> >> > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre >> wrote: >> > >> > Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard >> one.) >> > >> > 16 June 1672 >> > Balthezar Gomes Leandro >> > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) >> > SPOUSE >> > Isabel Pacheco de Liam >> > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) >> > GODPARENTS >> > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira >> > >> > Hope this helps a little bit >> > Shirley in CA >> > >> > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" < >> maria.lima...@gmail.com> >> > To: "AZORES" >> > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM >> > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage >> > >> > >> > >> > Help with names of parents? please? >> > Bottom right hand >> > >> > Starting with the fifth line down. >> > >> > >> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html >> > >> > >> > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife >> Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel >> Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- >> > >> > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de >> "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) >> > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) >> > >> > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va >> (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure >> out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please >> help me with this? Thank you. >> > >> > Maria Elena >> > >> > -- >> > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail >> (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the >> right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my >> membership." >> > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. >> >
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Maria, I don't see how it would change from Pacheco de Leandres to Fontes as she seems to carry her Mother's name on this marriage record. Note also that the bride has two first names "Isabel Francisca" perhaps this is not the right couple? The marriage record itself inferred Baltazar was re-married. First it names the Groom's parents: Baltasar Gomes de Moura and Ana Velha. Secondly names the Godparents as the Groom's own father (seu pai) Baltazar Gomes the Moura and his wife Barbara Velha. Regarding the link for Ana Velha's obit, this is not the Groom's Mother because the record reads Ana Velha, viuva "widow" at time of her death, which is not the case here as Baltazar was still living On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 10:26 PM, Maria Lima wrote: > Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this > marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The > baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as > Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name > was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" > came from. > > I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name > of Izabel. > > > Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before > he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va > but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems > strange. Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only > that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. > Maybe I should keep looking. > > Top right: > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html > > > > Maria Elena > > > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre > wrote: > > > > Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) > > > > 16 June 1672 > > Balthezar Gomes Leandro > > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) > > SPOUSE > > Isabel Pacheco de Liam > > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) > > GODPARENTS > > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira > > > > Hope this helps a little bit > > Shirley in CA > > > > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" > > > To: "AZORES" > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM > > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage > > > > > > > > Help with names of parents? please? > > Bottom right hand > > > > Starting with the fifth line down. > > > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html > > > > > > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife > Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel > Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- > > > > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de > "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) > > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) > > > > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va > (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure > out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please > help me with this? Thank you. > > > > Maria Elena > > > > -- > > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > > > -- > > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Azor
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Margaret and Shirley: Thanks! Now I have another question. In this marriage record the bride's name is Izabel Pachequa de Leandeo but I. The baptisms of her 4/5 children with Baltezar Gomez, her name is recorded as Izabel de Fontes. That's why I jumped to the conclusion that the last name was going to be Fontes and then I wondered where the "Pachequa de Leandro" came from. I assume it's the same person, but the only similarity is the first name of Izabel. Second question: Margaret, you clarified that Baltezar was married before he married Barbara to a Anna Velho. I found an obit for an Anna Velha Va but it doesnt say she was married; Just where she resided. Seems strange. Here it is: (1682). The Santa Barbara parish seems to be the only that went back into the 1600's on Santa Maria. Maybe I should keep looking. Top right: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706/SMA-VP-SANTABARBARA-O-1643-1706_item1/P16.html Maria Elena > On Aug 2, 2016, at 3:00 PM, Shirley Allegre wrote: > > Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) > > 16 June 1672 > Balthezar Gomes Leandro > (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) > SPOUSE > Isabel Pacheco de Liam > (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) > GODPARENTS > Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira > > Hope this helps a little bit > Shirley in CA > > - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" > To: "AZORES" > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM > Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage > > > > Help with names of parents? please? > Bottom right hand > > Starting with the fifth line down. > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html > > > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife Anna(?) > or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel Fo... (I know > it's Fontes fm other records)- > > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de > "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) > > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). > did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out who > is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please help me with > this? Thank you. > > Maria Elena > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Maria this is the best that I can figure out. (This is a real hard one.) 16 June 1672 Balthezar Gomes Leandro (Balthezar Gomes de Moira X Anna Va/Vieira?, deceased.) SPOUSE Isabel Pacheco de Liam (Francisco Andrade X Isabel? Catharina Pacheco) GODPARENTS Balthezar de Moira X Barbara Va/Vieira Hope this helps a little bit Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: "Maria Lima" To: "AZORES" Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2016 11:44 AM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage Help with names of parents? please? Bottom right hand Starting with the fifth line down. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please help me with this? Thank you. Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Ana Velha, deceased, with Isabel Pacheca de Liandres (Leandres) daughter of Francisco de Andrade Correia, deceased, and Catarina Pacheca de Leandres. Godparents Baltazar Gomes de Moura, his father and Barbara Velha his wife. Note Barbara Velha is the groom's father 2nd wife On Tue, Aug 2, 2016 at 2:45 PM Maria Lima wrote: > > Help with names of parents? please? > Bottom right hand > > Starting with the fifth line down. > > > http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html > > > Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife > Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel > Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- > > Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de > "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) > And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) > > Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). > did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out > who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please help > me with this? Thank you. > > Maria Elena > > -- > For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > --- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Azores Genealogy" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores. > -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] BALTEZAR GOMEZ DE MOIRA 's marriage
Help with names of parents? please? Bottom right hand Starting with the fifth line down. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699/SMA-VP-ASSUNCAO-C-1681-1699_item1/P19.html Baltezar Gomez de Moira, son of Baltezar Gomez de Moira and his wife Anna(?) or Luzia (?) I can't figure it out) both deceased, with Izabel Fo... (I know it's Fontes fm other records)- Fifth line down: looks like part of Izabel's name is Pachequa de "Liandres??? Daughter of Francisco de Andrade (?Coreia?) And Catharina Pachequa de ?(Liandres??) Godfather it says Baltezar Gomez de Moira "her" father and Barbara Va (?). did it say BARBARA Va was a wife of Baltezar? I'm trying to figure out who is the child of Baltezar de Moira mentioned. Can someone please help me with this? Thank you. Maria Elena -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Azores Genealogy" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/azores.
