Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Dano: Yes, this is very exciting. I can't wait to see the packet that Shirley is going to mail me. I truly appreciate everyone's help! I actually found Joam yesterday. Sorry, I think that it keeps getting lost in this thread. Here is his birth record from Matriz, Jul 16, 1748: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.html On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Dano: Also, regarding the children of Matheus and Jozefa, I do not have have some of the children that you mention. Could you post a listing of all of them and their full dates of birth/location of birth? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:40:10 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Dano: Yes, this is very exciting. I can't wait to see the packet that Shirley is going to mail me. I truly appreciate everyone's help! I actually found Joam yesterday. Sorry, I think that it keeps getting lost in this thread. Here is his birth record from Matriz, Jul 16, 1748: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.html On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
And I think we determined that Nicolau does not belong to Matheus and Jozefa. The father of Nicolau is Matias, not Matheus, and the mother is another Jozefa. I believe that in the thread above, you said that the Nicolau descends from another family member. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:44:24 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Dano: Also, regarding the children of Matheus and Jozefa, I do not have have some of the children that you mention. Could you post a listing of all of them and their full dates of birth/location of birth? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:40:10 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Dano: Yes, this is very exciting. I can't wait to see the packet that Shirley is going to mail me. I truly appreciate everyone's help! I actually found Joam yesterday. Sorry, I think that it keeps getting lost in this thread. Here is his birth record from Matriz, Jul 16, 1748: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.html On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Actually, you shouldn't discount the 1751 record, Joseph. Not only does it mention Matheus da Costa Josefa Pacheco, several of the experts that posted to this thread agreed that the child's name was most likely Nicolau; the birth also falls into the birth cycle of this couple (every 2 to 3 years); and, there is a Nicolau a couple of generations later, by one of the descendants of this same couple. Therefore, there are several reasons to accept the premise that the birth record was that of that person. Now, there is a way to disprove the theory - plenty of time has elapsed since his birth, just look for his marriage, or, death record :) Second: I'm still trying to find Joam - his marriage record didn't add any additional clues - other than he was, indeed, the son of Matheus and Josefa. Another problem is that we're running out of time for birthing w/ this couple (20 yrs), there's only about 4 more yrs. Joam was definitely born in Vila Franca, and, although, the marriage record says that he was native to Arcanjo Sao Miguel, some of Josefa's family were members of Sao Pedro - that may indicate that Mateus and Josefa may have lived in that part of VFdC for a time. What with the name variations, and, the different residences, there was a lot going on w/ this couple... Part III: Regarding the new data on the earlier chidren, I'm in the process of transitioning to a new computer system, and, some of my old workhorse software isn't recognized with the new stuff. Normally, I would just send a gedcom to a email address, However, that would require that there is a Genealogy Program that can accept that data. If you have a genealogy software program that accepts that gedcom, most do), I can send you a gedcom via email. Sorry for length of this posting. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:54:53 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: And I think we determined that Nicolau does not belong to Matheus and Jozefa. The father of Nicolau is Matias, not Matheus, and the mother is another Jozefa. I believe that in the thread above, you said that the Nicolau descends from another family member. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:44:24 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Dano: Also, regarding the children of Matheus and Jozefa, I do not have have some of the children that you mention. Could you post a listing of all of them and their full dates of birth/location of birth? On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:40:10 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Dano: Yes, this is very exciting. I can't wait to see the packet that Shirley is going to mail me. I truly appreciate everyone's help! I actually found Joam yesterday. Sorry, I think that it keeps getting lost in this thread. Here is his birth record from Matriz, Jul 16, 1748: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.html On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Joe: I will put the info into the mail today. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 4:40 AM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Dano: Yes, this is very exciting. I can't wait to see the packet that Shirley is going to mail me. I truly appreciate everyone's help! I actually found Joam yesterday. Sorry, I think that it keeps getting lost in this thread. Here is his birth record from Matriz, Jul 16, 1748: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.html On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Well, I hope that it turns out to be all that you need. If you need more, I may have some data that Shirley may not. I just have to figure out how to get it to you :) JR, Shirley and many others helped me out along the way, so many of us have similar data, however, we have all progressed from those early days of floppy discs and computer crashes, and, have acquired more data on our own. So it will be with you, and *you* can help out another person that's starting out. On Wednesday, March 26, 2014 7:40:10 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Dano: Yes, this is very exciting. I can't wait to see the packet that Shirley is going to mail me. I truly appreciate everyone's help! I actually found Joam yesterday. Sorry, I think that it keeps getting lost in this thread. Here is his birth record from Matriz, Jul 16, 1748: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.html On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 10:30:05 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com To: azo...@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Shirley, you just have an extra Z at the tail end of the URL. If you remove it the URL should work. Sent from my iPad On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:42 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: I tried to open that file, but I got the following message: 404 File or directory not found. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Hi. I actually found him this afternoon: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.htmlz Thank you for your offer to help! On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, perhaps we've been working from the wrong perspective on this problem. Do you have info on Joam that you can share with us? If not, whomever the ancestor that you've traced furthest back w/ most info. Several of us in this group have been researching Ponta Garca VFdC for a long time - one of us must have the person you're looking for. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I have a JOSEFA (Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste X Maria Pacheco Moniz in SMA-VFDC) She was born on 22 Apr 1714, in SM-VFDC. I have this family way back in time. If Josepha married in 1736, does anyone know where? I don't have any other on her. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Dano To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! John, I think I've got the family you're referring to. I have Matheus da Costa married to Josefa Francisca Pacheco (only have the year 1736 for their marriage, but we can check back to the original posting for that date); I don't have Matheus' parents, but, Josefa's a charm, linking back hundreds of years. Her parents were Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste who married Maria Pacheco Moniz in Arcanjo Sao Miguel (VFdC) on 22-Jul-1712. The family links back to Capitao Jorge Correia Barbosa/Maria Vieira de Albernaz, AND, even further back on the Jacome Raposo link to Joao Jacome Raposo/ Francisca Roiz Cordeiro (abt 1525). They may go back further, but, that's as far as I have. What's more, all of the surnames that have been mentioned in this thread are For REAL!!! On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:00:03 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: 1736 By the way, I think I may have found another child for Matheus da Costa in PG. And this will really make you scratch your head. This time Matheus uses the name Matheus de Araujo! And all these names are in their immediate ancestry. So I suggest that you start after this record and go forward in PG until you find Joao and/or all the other siblings. You may find as you go that they have settled on the names you know and recognize. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P201.html PG baptisms- Jozeph, born March 13, 1737 and baptised March 19, filho de Matheus de Araujo natural desta igreja de NS Piedade e sua mulher Jozepha Francisca de Rezende natural de Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franca. Padrinhos- Manuel Pacheco Camilha homen solteiro e (Freira) Ma Barbara da Conceicao Religiosa na convento de Santo Andre de Vila Franca On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Ok. I will take a further look. If anyone comes across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this thread about), please let me know. I have been unable to locate it. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Shirley Does the link below help in any way? Hermano http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P79.html From: shir...@digitalpath.net To: azores@googlegroups.com CC: familytreeclimb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2014 09:29:24 -0700 I have a JOSEFA (Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste X Maria Pacheco Moniz in SMA-VFDC) She was born on 22 Apr 1714, in SM-VFDC. I have this family way back in time. If Josepha married in 1736, does anyone know where? I don't have any other on her. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Dano To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! John, I think I've got the family you're referring to. I have Matheus da Costa married to Josefa Francisca Pacheco (only have the year 1736 for their marriage, but we can check back to the original posting for that date); I don't have Matheus' parents, but, Josefa's a charm, linking back hundreds of years. Her parents were Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste who married Maria Pacheco Moniz in Arcanjo Sao Miguel (VFdC) on 22-Jul-1712. The family links back to Capitao Jorge Correia Barbosa/Maria Vieira de Albernaz, AND, even further back on the Jacome Raposo link to Joao Jacome Raposo/ Francisca Roiz Cordeiro (abt 1525). They may go back further, but, that's as far as I have. What's more, all of the surnames that have been mentioned in this thread are For REAL!!! On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:00:03 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: 1736 By the way, I think I may have found another child for Matheus da Costa in PG. And this will really make you scratch your head. This time Matheus uses the name Matheus de Araujo! And all these names are in their immediate ancestry. So I suggest that you start after this record and go forward in PG until you find Joao and/or all the other siblings. You may find as you go that they have settled on the names you know and recognize. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P201.html PG baptisms- Jozeph, born March 13, 1737 and baptised March 19, filho de Matheus de Araujo natural desta igreja de NS Piedade e sua mulher Jozepha Francisca de Rezende natural de Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franca. Padrinhos- Manuel Pacheco Camilha homen solteiro e (Freira) Ma Barbara da Conceicao Religiosa na convento de Santo Andre de Vila Franca On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Ok. I will take a further look. If anyone comes across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this thread about), please let me know. I have been unable to locate it. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Hi. I actually found him this afternoon: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.htmlz Thank you for your offer to help! On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, perhaps we've been working from the wrong perspective on this problem. Do you have info on Joam that you can share with us? If not, whomever the ancestor that you've traced furthest back w/ most info. Several of us in this group have been researching Ponta Garca VFdC for a long time - one of us must have the person you're looking for. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Rapiso family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Cheri: I submitted my DNA sample, and they are now in receipt of it. I am having them do Family Finder, Y-DNA37, and mt-DNA Plus. It will be fun to see if we are all interconnected. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I tried to open that file, but I got the following message: 404 File or directory not found. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:26 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Hi. I actually found him this afternoon: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1743-1750_item1/P139.htmlz Thank you for your offer to help! On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:36 PM, Dano dpai...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, perhaps we've been working from the wrong perspective on this problem. Do you have info on Joam that you can share with us? If not, whomever the ancestor that you've traced furthest back w/ most info. Several of us in this group have been researching Ponta Garca VFdC for a long time - one of us must have the person you're looking for. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shir...@digitalpath.net wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Joseph, I'm happy that we could provide you with at least one branch of your family tree (Jacome Raposo dating back to circa 1525). Antonio Jacome Raposo is Josefa's father, and, from there the puzzle was complete. I was in the process of printing the report when I happened to see that Shirley had already done so. It took a little while but we eventually all got on the same page (thanks to Margaret). BTW, I also found Matheus' and Josefa's marriage - 19-Jul-1736 (PG) + the first four of the couple's children, also from PG - Jozeph -1737, Anna -1739, Anna-1742, Antonia-1746 and, of course, the nearly unreadable Nicolau (in 1751). Unfortunately, Joam wasn't among them in Ponta Garca. I will try Arcanjo Sao Miguel next. On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 9:52:34 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks Shirley. I emailed you my mailing address. I appreciate this! On Mar 25, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Shirley Allegre shi...@digitalpath.netjavascript: wrote: Joe: I had printed out the ancestry of JOSEFA. It is nine (9) pages long. If you will send me your snail mail address, I will send it to you. I did a RELATIONSHIP SEARCH for Antonio Jacome Raposo and Cheri Mello, my PAF program says that they are 3rd cousins, 9 times removed. Their common ancestors are: Bras Lopes X Rimigia da Sentra. I don't have any info on Matheus X Josefa. I still need their DOM and where. At least I can find the DOB for your grgrandfather Joam on 16 June 1748in SM-VFDC. Shirley in CA - Original Message - From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comjavascript: To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2014 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! Shirley: I would love to see all of the information that you say you have on the Antonio Jacome Raposo family going way back in time. As far as Matheus and Josefa are concerned, I have all of their information already. I have figured that out with others in this group over the past few days. Today: I also found their son, my fourth great-grandfather, Joam born on June 16, 1748 in VFSM. He is who I originally started this thread about. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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Ok. I will take a further look. If anyone comes across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this thread about), please let me know. I have been unable to locate it. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comwrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of
your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
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-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
of Mateus and Josefa? If so,
according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or
VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca.
JR
On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having
great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and
Josefa da Pacheca.
Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html
Here is her death record from 1788:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote:
SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is
definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca.
Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html
Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html
Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in
1753:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:
Joseph,
How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the
mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling
of your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
By the way, I think I may have found another child for Matheus da Costa in PG. And this will really make you scratch your head. This time Matheus uses the name Matheus de Araujo! And all these names are in their immediate ancestry. So I suggest that you start after this record and go forward in PG until you find Joao and/or all the other siblings. You may find as you go that they have settled on the names you know and recognize. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P201.html PG baptisms- Jozeph, born March 13, 1737 and baptised March 19, filho de Matheus de Araujo natural desta igreja de NS Piedade e sua mulher Jozepha Francisca de Rezende natural de Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franca. Padrinhos- Manuel Pacheco Camilha homen solteiro e (Freira) Ma Barbara da Conceicao Religiosa na convento de Santo Andre de Vila Franca On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Ok. I will take a further look. If anyone comes across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this thread about), please let me know. I have been unable to locate it. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comwrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
*John, I think I've got the family you're referring to. I have Matheus da Costa married to Josefa Francisca Pacheco (only have the year 1736 for their marriage, but we can check back to the original posting for that date); I don't have Matheus' parents, but, Josefa's a charm, linking back hundreds of years. Her parents were Antonio Jacome Raposo of Nordeste who married Maria Pacheco Moniz in Arcanjo Sao Miguel (VFdC) on 22-Jul-1712. The family links back to Capitao Jorge Correia Barbosa/Maria Vieira de Albernaz, AND, even further back on the Jacome Raposo link to Joao Jacome Raposo/ Francisca Roiz Cordeiro (abt 1525). They may go back further, but, that's as far as I have. What's more, all of the surnames that have been mentioned in this thread are For REAL!!!* On Monday, March 24, 2014 3:00:03 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: 1736 By the way, I think I may have found another child for Matheus da Costa in PG. And this will really make you scratch your head. This time Matheus uses the name Matheus de Araujo! And all these names are in their immediate ancestry. So I suggest that you start after this record and go forward in PG until you find Joao and/or all the other siblings. You may find as you go that they have settled on the names you know and recognize. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P201.html PG baptisms- Jozeph, born March 13, 1737 and baptised March 19, filho de Matheus de Araujo natural desta igreja de NS Piedade e sua mulher Jozepha Francisca de Rezende natural de Matriz de Sao Miguel, Vila Franca. Padrinhos- Manuel Pacheco Camilha homen solteiro e (Freira) Ma Barbara da Conceicao Religiosa na convento de Santo Andre de Vila Franca On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Ok. I will take a further look. If anyone comes across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this thread about), please let me know. I have been unable to locate it. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comwrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Joseph, I've got better than the Joam you were looking for. What would you say if I told you that I have your ancestry back to the early 1500's, (and yes there is a Joam- at the beginning). I posted it to JR because he's the one who had it right all along... From the surnames Correia and Rezendes, and Araujo, all the way back to Joam. Check it out - probably tomorrow On Monday, March 24, 2014 1:28:05 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Ok. I will take a further look. If anyone comes across the birth record of Matheus' son, Joam (my 4th great grandfather, and the person I started this thread about), please let me know. I have been unable to locate it. On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:09:08 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comwrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I am looking for this marriage, JR. Do you have the link to the record? Are you sure it's not for Matias and Josefa de Canto? Those are not my ancestors. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:06 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visithttps://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email toazores
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
But Joseph, how did you learn the parents of Mateus da Costa without first finding his marriage record?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 8:09 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of
your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth
record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html
Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in
1753:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:
Joseph,
How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the
mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of
your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth
record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
...@gmail.com wrote:
SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is
definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca.
Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html
Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html
Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in
1753:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:
Joseph,
How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the
mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling
of your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
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916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth
record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I think that may have been lost in the thread below. I found Matheus' birth record, as well as the birth record of his brother, Andre, which states the parents names. I have posted all of these records in the thread.. On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:34 PM, p...@dholmes.com p...@dholmes.com wrote: But Joseph, how did you learn the parents of Mateus da Costa without first finding his marriage record? Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 8:09 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Here is the marriage record from May 1701 of Matheus' parents, Antonio da Costa and Barbara da Costa: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-C-1675-1749_item1/P41.html I got their names from Matheus' birth record in 1705, which I posted previously. On Mar 22, 2014, at 9:24 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents? JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/LdiTyK1-8r0/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
...@gmail.com wrote:
SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is
definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca.
Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html
Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html
Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in
1753:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:
Joseph,
How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the
mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling
of your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
www.dholmes.com
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth
record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-
VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Pacheca.
Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html
Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html
Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753:
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html
On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:
Joseph,
How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother
is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus
another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out
you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of
your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
Sacramento, California
Pico Terceira Genealogist
916-550-1618
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does
say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find
my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's,
birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of
Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the
right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept
1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the
parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see
those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
of Matias and the
mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of
your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
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916-550-1618
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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth
record
-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote:
Joseph,
How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the
mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?
I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and
Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule
out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.
Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling
of your Joao da Costa?
I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.
Doug da Rocha Holmes
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-- can't really read it) Help!
From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com
Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am
To: azo...@googlegroups.com
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this
does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't
find my Joam.
On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da
Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the
son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or
Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand
page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need
help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this
record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
The record is for Margarida and it states the godparents are Marcos da Costa son of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa and Jozepha Pacheca mulher de Matheus da Costa residents of PG. Marcos da Costa was not yet married (1739, PG) but he is the brother of Matheus da Costa. So you can see they are all related to the family of Antonio da Costa Piquete and Barbara da Costa. Hope this helps. JR On Sunday, March 23, 2014 10:00:07 PM UTC-4, JR wrote: The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia. Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married. JR http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.html On Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote: Understandably so, Joseph. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.html On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Also, Joseph, the thing to do is keep looking for children of both couples. See if there is anything that would eliminate them as the same people. Look for all godparents and see if any or all are the tios.Plus, you can see if the names found at marriage are in the ancestry of the parents you found by getting their ages at death. Keep looking for conflicting info to disqualify them. I'm sure you can work it out.I have certainly seen where one of the two used a different name, but both doing that is far more unusual.It seems to be your direct paternal line, so you've got to be up to the challenge.I found something in my own direct paternal line that was very disappointing - the marriage didn't name any parents. But thanks to the uncommon name of the groom, I was able to figure it out. Thanks to the more common name of the bride, I still have no certainty on her parents, but have a tentative guess that will be resolved once I finish tracing all the people in that entire village for that time period. You do what ya gotta do.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: JR jmro...@gmail.com Date: Sun, March 23, 2014 7:00 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com The PG 1736 marriage record does state the father is Antonio Rapozo. As I already said in my private message I also understand. My ancestor Joao da Roia married as Joao da Costa, yet every other record stated his name was Joao da Roia. He never used Costa again. I had a hard time finding him. But his father was clearly Antonio da Roia.Anyway check this record which lists Matheus da Costa and spouse Josepha Pacheco as godparents living in Ponta Garca. This would be right after they married.JRhttp://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1719-1739_item1/P199.htmlOn Sunday, March 23, 2014 9:46:30 PM UTC-4, Mara wrote:Understandably so, Joseph.On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 9:26 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: I just am having great difficulty believing that the marriage record you have for Matheus Correia and Josefa Rezendes is actually my ancestors' marriage record. I still think that their marriage record is lost. On Mar 23, 2014, at 9:20 PM, Margaret Vicente margare...@gmail.com wrote: Joseph, my ancestry membership is now expired. I'm not sure I understand your note regarding the marriage record for Joao which reades he was wed on July 7-1783. The record states his parents were both deceased and so they were. Matheus died Sep 1st 1773 and Josefa died May 21st, 1788. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: Margaret and JR: Here is Joam da Costa's marriage record (my 4th great grandfather). He would be Antonio da Costa de Araujo's brother. Note that both parents (Matheus and Josefa) were dead at the time of this wedding: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-C-1763-1812_item1/P185.htmlOn Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Joseph, there is a Nicolao in this family. He descends from Josefa's brother Jose, that makes him her Grand Nephew. As for Joam, perhaps he's there, but we're looking in the wrong place; what date parameters should he be in? On Saturday, March 22, 2014 1:16:14 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:38 AM, pi...@dholmes.com javascript: wrote: Hello Joseph, I couldn't resist your challenge. What is clear is the ao ending. That leaves one with a lot fewer choices for names. Expanding on that, it is pretty clear there is an l before the al and that now gives you lao and once you see that, you can see the u before the l and before the u you see a large C and there is nothing left to choose but Niculao and I am going with that. Moving over to the parents, the father is Mathias, not Matheus. So it's Matias da Costa and Josefa. But her second name is maybe Parobo and I don't recognize that as a real name. So for another reason, you must find another example from another child and hope it's more clear. As for Isabella's comment about legitimo I looked over the following baptisms from this priest and he isn't using that word on any of them. But what is lacking in your record is the phrase e de sua mulher (and of his wife) which is not in all the records, but in many of them. The ones where that phrase is lacking might mean those couples are not married, but there are so many that I doubt it. You would have to study all these couples and find or not find their marriages to see whether this priest is simply not consistent. You will see on page 0026 the baptism of a child named Agostinho and the father is another Niculao. Good luck! Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Isabella Baltar myportu...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 5:12 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: I don't read neither Joam, nor legitimate. This is a very decorative penmanship and needs further study on this specific handwriting. I quiclkly went back and forth on some pages to check on the scriber writing and the way he writes Joam is very different from that one, the word legitimate as well is not present after his name. Joseph, I suggest you to research that book and try to find a similar pattern for that name, if you think this record is from your family. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:55:25 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks. I showed this to Joao Ventura and he doesn't think that it's a birth record for Joam, but rather Nicolao (or Nicolau). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:14:56 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name is mentioned at the beginning legitimate (abbrv) son of Mathias da Costa native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo nasceo (was born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was baptized in this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned Villa, parish of his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year by me, Maoel de Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de Andrade, single, parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and Miguel Pereyra, and for the record I dated this day, month and as above. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic,
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Mar 22, 2014, at 11:38 AM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Hello Joseph, I couldn't resist your challenge. What is clear is the ao ending. That leaves one with a lot fewer choices for names. Expanding on that, it is pretty clear there is an l before the al and that now gives you lao and once you see that, you can see the u before the l and before the u you see a large C and there is nothing left to choose but Niculao and I am going with that. Moving over to the parents, the father is Mathias, not Matheus. So it's Matias da Costa and Josefa. But her second name is maybe Parobo and I don't recognize that as a real name. So for another reason, you must find another example from another child and hope it's more clear. As for Isabella's comment about legitimo I looked over the following baptisms from this priest and he isn't using that word on any of them. But what is lacking in your record is the phrase e de sua mulher (and of his wife) which is not in all the records, but in many of them. The ones where that phrase is lacking might mean those couples are not married, but there are so many that I doubt it. You would have to study all these couples and find or not find their marriages to see whether this priest is simply not consistent. You will see on page 0026 the baptism of a child named Agostinho and the father is another Niculao. Good luck! Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Isabella Baltar myportuguese...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 5:12 am To: azores@googlegroups.com I don't read neither Joam, nor legitimate. This is a very decorative penmanship and needs further study on this specific handwriting. I quiclkly went back and forth on some pages to check on the scriber writing and the way he writes Joam is very different from that one, the word legitimate as well is not present after his name. Joseph, I suggest you to research that book and try to find a similar pattern for that name, if you think this record is from your family. Isabella Baltar myportuguesegen.blogspot.com On Friday, March 21, 2014 6:55:25 AM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: Thanks. I showed this to Joao Ventura and he doesn't think that it's a birth record for Joam, but rather Nicolao (or Nicolau). On Thursday, March 20, 2014 6:14:56 PM UTC-4, Dano wrote: Joseph, This is indeed difficult to read, but not impossible. Joam's name is mentioned at the beginning legitimate (abbrv) son of Mathias da Costa native of this freguesia of Sam Miguel of Villa Franca do Campo nasceo (was born) on the 4th day of the month of September 1751, and, was baptized in this same church of Sam Miguel, matriz of the aforementioned Villa, parish of his parents on the sixth day of the current month and year by me, Maoel de Medeiros , Curate of this matriz. Godfather was Mathias de Andrade, single, parishioner of this Matriz, and witnesses Pedro Corea, and Miguel Pereyra, and for the record I dated this day, month and as above. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Joseph,How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a?I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research.Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa?I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, p...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcosta0...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azores@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca. JR On Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca. Here is Matheus birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com javascript: wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com javascript: Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com javascript: Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam. On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this topic, visit https://groups.google.com/d/topic/azores/xqzNkH3jpaM/unsubscribe. To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
That's also my question.Were you lucky to find in a baptism the padrinhos listed as single and their parents, plus say they are tios paternos and tios maternos?Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: JR jmro...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 6:24 pm To: azores@googlegroups.com Maybe I missed something, but how did you determine the parents of Mateus da Costa? Do you have the marriage and notice of the parents?JROn Saturday, March 22, 2014 9:06:59 PM UTC-4, JR wrote:Are you looking for the marriage of Mateus and Josefa? If so, according to my records they married circa 1750, in either Ponta Garca or VFSM. I have three children listed for this couple living in Ponta Garca.JROn Saturday, March 22, 2014 3:47:21 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote:In addition to not being able to find Joam's birth record, I'm having great difficulty locating the marriage record of Matheus da Costa and Josefa da Pacheca. Josefa was born in 1714 at Matriz: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1710-1718_item1/P70.html Here is her death record from 1788: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1780-1806_item1/P84.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:41 PM, Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com wrote: SInce I posted this, I have done further research. My ancestor is definitely Matheus da Costa and his wife was definitely Jozefa de Pacheca.Here is Matheus" birth record from Sep 16, 1705 at Ponta Garca:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720/SMG-VF-PONTAGARCA-B-1703-1720_item1/P29.html Here is his death record from Matriz in 1773: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-O-1749-1780_item1/P152.html Also, here is the birth record of his son Andre (Joam's brother) in 1753: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P72.html On Mar 22, 2014, at 3:07 PM, pi...@dholmes.com wrote: Joseph, How about the fact the baptism is for a child of Matias and the mother is not listed with Pacheco/a? I have sometimes seen a father listed as Mathias one time and Matheus another time. So if your ancestor was Mateus, you can't 100% rule out you could find him as Matias, but it will depend on further research. Do you think this is simply the wrong ancestors and not a sibling of your Joao da Costa? I assume you know Joam and Joao are the same name. Doug da Rocha Holmes Sacramento, California Pico Terceira Genealogist 916-550-1618 www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help! From: Joseph Costa jwcos...@gmail.com Date: Sat, March 22, 2014 10:16 am To: azo...@googlegroups.com Thank you Doug. I do see what you mean, and I now think that this does say Niculao, which means that this is not my ancestor. Still can't find my Joam.On Thursday, March 20, 2014 2:45:13 PM UTC-4, Joseph Costa wrote: I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those?http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Joam da Costa (Might be his birth record -- can't really read it) Help!
I think I may have found my 4th great grandfather's, Joam da Costa's, birth record, but I'm not sure. Per my previous post, he is the son of Matheus da Costa and Jozefa Pacheco (also appears as Pachequa or Pacheca). Can anyone read this. In the link below, it's on the right-hand page in the lower right corner. Looks like this is from Sept 1751? I need help verifying that these are in fact the names of the parents on this record. What about grandparents' names? Anyone see those? http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758/SMG-VF-SAOMIGUEL-B-1751-1758_item1/P23.html -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
