[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Neil Teixeira]

Hello Dominick. Neil Teixeira here from the San Francisco Bay Area. Your 
living Father has the right to obtain his Portuguese Dual Citizenship (PC) 
from either one of his Portuguese born parents.Its called the "Attribution" 
process. There is no language test in this process. The Portuguese born 
parent(s) do not need to be alive. But your Father does. If your Father 
passes away prior to obtaining his PC from his parent(s).then the chain 
link is forever broken. And you and your children will not be able to 
obtain your PC thru the attribution process. The biggest and hardest hurdle 
is getting all the correct (Officially Stamped) government/Church 
documents. They DO NOT accept copies. You will apply at the Portuguese 
Consulate that serves your State. To begin the process, you need the 
following "stamped" documents: Grandfathers or Grandmothers Portuguese 
birth record, Grandparents marriage record, your USA birth certificate, 
your marriage record,etcAs far as the name change. If they did it thru 
a local County court, then its easy to get a copy of that legal document. 
If not? Get a official copy of their passport/ship log when they exit the 
Azores, which will show their original name. Then your going to have to 
prove that they changed it here in the USA thru a Entry Port ship document, 
Citizenship application or marriage document...or something..to 
confirm they are one and the same person(s).
You do all this. Fill out the PC application at or thru the mail at your 
Portuguese Consulate, pay the fees, submit all the documents. Wait for 8 
weeks to get word from Lisbon, to see if they have approved your packet of 
documents. Once your Father is granted his PC. Its real easy/much smoother 
for you and your children to get it.   Its a wonderful journey.  Neil 
Teixeira 


On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 9:45:16 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote:
>
> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for 
> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a 
> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I 
> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I 
> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's 
> approved!
>
> MaryAnn
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[MaryAnn Santos]

I was told if one's application for Portuguese citizenship is approved then
citizenship will extend to one's children. So yes, if your father becomes a
Portuguese citizen you will be able to apply as well. I'm just beginning
this process so you might want to get information from this link...

*www.portugalreconnect.com *



On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 1:55 PM, Dominick Lemas 
wrote:

> I am curious if my father is successful in gaining citizenship via
> descent, would I then be eligible to apply at a later point in time?
> Additionally, my family name changed from DeLima to Lemas when they came to
> the US. How do I represent this in my father's application?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:45:16 PM UTC-4, Maryann Santos wrote:
>>
>> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for
>> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a
>> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I
>> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I
>> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's
>> approved!
>>
>> MaryAnn
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Cheri Mello]

Check the forum/web board. The information is there, including who needs to
pass a language test. Representing the name change in a citizenship
application is beyond the scope of this list. We mainly deal with our
ancestry and the deceased! LOL

Here's the 100+ messages on Portuguese Citizenship:
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/azores/portuguese$20citizenship%7Csort:relevance

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 10:55 AM, Dominick Lemas 
wrote:

> I am curious if my father is successful in gaining citizenship via
> descent, would I then be eligible to apply at a later point in time?
> Additionally, my family name changed from DeLima to Lemas when they came to
> the US. How do I represent this in my father's application?
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:45:16 PM UTC-4, Maryann Santos wrote:
>>
>> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for
>> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a
>> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I
>> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I
>> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's
>> approved!
>>
>> MaryAnn
>>
>> --
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>> Senior Advisement and Student Affairs Administrator
>> Department of Art and Art Professions
>> NYU/Steinhardt
>> 212.998.5702 <(212)%20998-5702>
>> ma...@nyu.edu
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Dominick Lemas]

I am curious if my father is successful in gaining citizenship via descent, 
would I then be eligible to apply at a later point in time? Additionally, 
my family name changed from DeLima to Lemas when they came to the US. How 
do I represent this in my father's application? 



On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 12:45:16 PM UTC-4, Maryann Santos wrote:
>
> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for 
> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a 
> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I 
> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I 
> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's 
> approved!
>
> MaryAnn
>
> -- 
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> Department of Art and Art Professions
> NYU/Steinhardt
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Neil Teixeira]

Hi Maryann. Neil Teixeira here. I and my siblings obtained our Portuguese 
Citizenship (PC) 5 years ago, thru the *"attribution"* process, based on 
the fact that our Grandfather was born in the Acores (Sao Miguel-Sao Jose) 
Our USA born Father had to obtain his Portuguese Citizenship first-then we 
all got PC from him. Then our children got their PC from us. So the daisy 
chain PC can continue in our family. The whole PC process has brought our 
family's closer, resulting in a 6 person-2 week-1250 mile VW bus tour of 
mainland Portugal last October...all ending up with 3 nights on Sao 
Miguel Island. If you can obtain your Portuguese Citizenship? I advise 
everyone to try to get it, before they change the *"attribution"* rules. 
Obrigado, Neil Teixeira (Sao Jose-Nordeste-Ginetes)

On Thursday, May 11, 2017 at 9:45:16 AM UTC-7, Maryann Santos wrote:
>
> I just began the application process for Portuguese citizenship for 
> grandchildren of Portuguese nationals. I was told I do not have to take a 
> language test because I studied Portuguese at NYU for two semesters and I 
> also took a month-long summer course at the Universidade de Lisboa where I 
> studied language, art history, and history  - all in Portuguese. Hope it's 
> approved!
>
> MaryAnn
>
> -- 
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> Department of Art and Art Professions
> NYU/Steinhardt
> 212.998.5702
> ma...@nyu.edu 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[David]

"I'm the great-granddaughter of the immigrant, so I don't qualify."

Cheri -- Actually, you do (at least to apply), but under a different 
provision of the Lei da Nacionalidade ("LN"; the Nationality Law).  I'm in 
exactly the same situation but am preparing my petition for 
naturalization under this other provision.
 
In a nutshell, the LN works (in relevant part) as follows:
 
1.  Some people are inherently entitled to Portuguese citizenship.  Among 
people born outside Portugal, that includes, for example, children born 
to a Portuguese parent.  The process for such individuals to acquire 
citizenship is one of claiming that which they are automatically entitled 
to under the LN.
 
2.  Those who are not automatically entitled to receive citizenship can 
still acquire it -- through naturalization.  There are several grounds on 
which one can seek naturalization.  One of these is indeed to be a 
grandchild of a citizen (who must not have given up 
Portuguese citizenship).  Under that route, the residency requirement that 
exists for some of the other routes to naturalization does not apply, but 
there is still the requirement to have basic competence in Portuguese.
However, there are also several separate routes to naturalization available 
for "special cases," and these special cases are:  people who formerly held 
Portuguese nationality; luso-descendants (without being limited to the 2nd 
degree or to the other requirements about being still alive and not having 
given up citizenship) or members of "communities of Portuguese ancestry";  
and those who have provided "relevant" services to the Portuguese state or 
to the "national community."
 
At least as I understand it, the provision about "communities of Portuguese 
ancestry" does not cover luso-descendants who can actually trace their 
known ancestry back to Portugal but rather is meant to provide an easier 
route to naturalization for descendants of communities such as in Goa, 
Macau, Malacca, etc., where the ties may not be traceable all the way back 
to Portugal but which are ongoing communities known historically to have 
collective genetic and cultural ties back to Portugal.  As I recall, this 
is also the provision under which Portugal now, subsequent to recent 
legislation, processes naturalization petitions from Sephardim who claim 
Portuguese descent.

The provision regarding "descendentes de portugueses," descendants of 
Portuguese, is therefore the one that many of us have available to use.  By 
classifying us among "special cases" the LN seems to be reserving to the 
government even greater discretion as to approving naturalization 
applications than it has with respect to the other grounds for 
naturalization (such as grandchildren who meet the additional requirements 
I mention above).   In past conversations with Portuguese immigration 
lawyers, it was suggested to me that such applications would be enhanced 
(since they are "special cases") if one could demonstrate involvement in 
luso-descendant communities (cultural groups, church groups, chambers of 
commerce, etc.).

Interestingly, though, this "special case" route does *not* include any 
language proficiency requirement.  (Nor is there a residency requirement.)
 
Unfortunately, the Portuguese Embassy site's coverage of consular services 
does not address this "special cases" route.  If one reads Portuguese, 
these links are very useful:

Overview of acquisition of Portuguese nationality: 
http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/aquisicao.htm#  
Questions and answers about acquisition of Portuguese nationality:  
*http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/duvidas.html#a6*

>From the above links, these are the most relevant excerpts for those of us 
who are "special cases," i.e., you cannot meet the requirements as a 
grandchild, whether because your last Portuguese citizen ancestor was 
further back (e.g., for me it's three great-grandparents and two 
great-great-grandparents), or your grandparent gave up Portuguese 
nationality, or you don't speak at least basic Portuguese:

Em casos especiais: (n.º 6 do art. 6.º da LN)

O Governo pode conceder a nacionalidade portuguesa, por naturalização, em 
casos especiais, aos estrangeiros que já foram detentores da 
nacionalidadeportuguesa, aos havidos como descendentes de portugueses, aos 
membros de 
comunidades de ascendência portuguesa e aos estrangeiros que tenham 
prestado ou sejam chamados a prestar serviços relevantes ao Estado 
Português ou à comunidade nacional, quando satisfaçam os seguintes 
requisitos:

Ser maior de idade (18 anos) ou ser emancipado à face da lei portuguesa; 

Não ter sido condenado, com trânsito em julgado da sentença, pela prática 
de crime punível com pena de prisão de máximo igual ou superior a 3 anos, 
segunda a lei portuguesa.

* * *

*H**avidos como descendentes de portugueses ou membros de comunidades de 
ascendência portugues*a

   - Certidão do registo de nascimento do i

[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[David]

Tomás, you might want to check with a different consular official...  As I 
read the Lei da Nacionalidade, and as summarized in the excerpt below my 
signature, taken from the site of the Ministro da Administração *Interna*, 
you don't have to meet a residency requirement if you are applying on the 
basis of being the grandchild of a citizen who never lost Portuguese 
citizenship.

David da Silva Cornell
 

Nascido no estrangeiro com um ascendente do 2.º grau que não tenha perdido 
a nacionalidade portuguesa.

   - Certidão do registo de nascimento do interessado;
   - Certidões dos registos de nascimento do ascendente em 2.º grau da 
   linha recta de nacionalidade portuguesa e do progenitor de que dele for 
   descendente;
   - Documento comprovativo de que conhece suficientemente a língua 
   portuguesa, nos termos da lei.
   - Certificados do registo criminal emitido pelos serviços competentes 
   portugueses, do país da naturalidade, bem com dos países onde tenha tido 
   residência e tenha residência.

O interessado poderá ser dispensado de apresentar o registo criminal 
português.
*http://www.nacionalidade.sef.pt/duvidas.html#a6*
 
 

On Friday, December 6, 2013 1:00:09 AM UTC-5, Tomas Leal wrote:

> Yes, we did have this discussion some time ago--I was part of that 
> discussion because I had gotten the information and had spoken with the 
> Portuguese consul at that time in San Francisco. I have recently spoken 
> with the current consul, who confirmed my understanding.
>
> The European Union standard, to which all member countries have been 
> coming into alignment with, stipulates that citizen extends to the child of 
> a citizen. Portugal has a provision for the grandchild of a citizen. I am a 
> grandchild, so I qualify but I must meet additional criteria:
>
>- Residency of three years
>- Clean criminal record
>- Satisfactory score on the Portuguese language exam.
>
> Because I have lived in the Azores for 12 weeks a year since 2009, I was 
> able to get a certificate from the junta presidente of my freguesia 
> stipulating I had spent "a major part of each year" in the country. This 
> coming year, I will be there for an even longer period. I am studying with 
> a Portuguese native who was a teacher while living in Angola and who has an 
> arrangement with the Portuguese government to act as a teacher in the U.S. 
> The language exam is my only hurdle remaining.
>
> BTW, I already have European Union citizenship and passport through an 
> Irish grandparent, which I got in 1987, just before Ireland brought its 
> laws into alignment with the EU standards. The window closed six months 
> after I got my citizenship, so I was lucky. Thus, I can live and work 
> anywhere in the EU. To qualify for a residency card, I need to spend more 
> than 90 consecutive days (the maximum allowed without a residency card), 
> and I will qualify in 2014.
>
> Tomás Leal
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Tomas Leal]

Yes, we did have this discussion some time ago--I was part of that 
discussion because I had gotten the information and had spoken with the 
Portuguese consul at that time in San Francisco. I have recently spoken 
with the current consul, who confirmed my understanding.

The European Union standard, to which all member countries have been coming 
into alignment with, stipulates that citizen extends to the child of a 
citizen. Portugal has a provision for the grandchild of a citizen. I am a 
grandchild, so I qualify but I must meet additional criteria:

   - Residency of three years
   - Clean criminal record
   - Satisfactory score on the Portuguese language exam.

Because I have lived in the Azores for 12 weeks a year since 2009, I was 
able to get a certificate from the junta presidente of my freguesia 
stipulating I had spent "a major part of each year" in the country. This 
coming year, I will be there for an even longer period. I am studying with 
a Portuguese native who was a teacher while living in Angola and who has an 
arrangement with the Portuguese government to act as a teacher in the U.S. 
The language exam is my only hurdle remaining.

BTW, I already have European Union citizenship and passport through an 
Irish grandparent, which I got in 1987, just before Ireland brought its 
laws into alignment with the EU standards. The window closed six months 
after I got my citizenship, so I was lucky. Thus, I can live and work 
anywhere in the EU. To qualify for a residency card, I need to spend more 
than 90 consecutive days (the maximum allowed without a residency card), 
and I will qualify in 2014.

Tomás Leal

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Fatima]

My husband and I are naturalized U.S. Citizens (I was born in Santa Maria,
Acores and my husband was born in Faial, Acores) and applied for dual
citizenship, so that our children (U.S. born) would be able to become
Portuguese citizens, which they now are.  I was told that my children would
not be able to apply for Portuguese citizenship until my husband or I
regained our Portuguese citizenship.

I hope that this information is helpful.

Fatima


On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Kawika322  wrote:

> That is interesting information to know. From what I have read though, I
> thought that you would only be eligible to obtain Portuguese citizenship or
> dual citizenship if a parent or grandparent was born in Portugal (up 2 to
> generations worth). In other words, if your great-grandmother was born in
> Portugal and everyone else--your grandmother, mother etc. were born in the
> states, then you would not be eligible, but they would be.
>
> I may have misread the info, but that is what i remember reading.
>
>  David
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:
>>
>> FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be
>> citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to
>> your ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of
>> Portugal and the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering
>> the proper forms and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese
>> Consulate, just today after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a
>> Portuguese citizen even though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only
>> wrinkle in my paper trail was my father changed his name from Pereira to
>> Perry and that would have broken the trail except back in 1938 he
>> officially changed his name in this country.  Without that document, it
>> wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a parent was born there,
>> more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets longer and fuzzier -
>> though it's still possible.
>>
>> I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for
>> one son who has expressed a desire to open a B&B in semi-retirement in the
>> Azores.  He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now
>> his father is a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to
>> work, live and run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European
>> Union country, he can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.
>> David
>>
>> .
>>
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Re: Fw: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Anthony Soares]

http://www.embassyportugal-us.org/Embassy_of_Portugal/Acquisition_Port_Nat_by_2nd_Degree.html
Tony

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:36:13 PM UTC-8, Shirl Sereque wrote:
>
> Marilyn-
>I read something quite a while back.  It mentioned that you had to be 
> able to speak/understand Portuguese for one thing.
> - Shirl -
>
>
> Didn't we have something about this dual citizenship sometime back? I was 
> thinking someone said there were some other requirements. I will try to 
> find what it takes.
>  
> I qualify for second generation
>  
>
> So do I!
>
> - Shirl -
>  

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[Shirl Sereque]

Marilyn-
   I read something quite a while back.  It mentioned that you had to be able 
to speak/understand Portuguese for one thing.
- Shirl -


Didn't we have something about this dual citizenship sometime back? I was 
thinking someone said there were some other requirements. I will try to find 
what it takes.
 
I qualify for second generation
 
So do I!

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Marilyn Thompson]

Didn't we have something about this dual citizenship sometime back? I was
thinking someone said there were some other requirements. I will try to
find what it takes.

I qualify for second generation



On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 3:49 PM, David Perry  wrote:

> I miss-spoke when I said "all descendants".  I believe it's only the first
> two generations that are eligible but I didn't ask about that since I was
> the first generation and my children would be the second.  I don't know if
> my grandchildren could become dual citizens based on my citizenship or that
> of my children should they choose to apply.  I'm pretty sure my
> grandchildren couldn't apply directly based solely on their great
> grandfather's birth in the Azores.  Sorry about any confusion.
> David Perry
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:
>
>> FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be
>> citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to
>> your ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of
>> Portugal and the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering
>> the proper forms and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese
>> Consulate, just today after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a
>> Portuguese citizen even though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only
>> wrinkle in my paper trail was my father changed his name from Pereira to
>> Perry and that would have broken the trail except back in 1938 he
>> officially changed his name in this country.  Without that document, it
>> wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a parent was born there,
>> more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets longer and fuzzier -
>> though it's still possible.
>>
>> I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for
>> one son who has expressed a desire to open a B&B in semi-retirement in the
>> Azores.  He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now
>> his father is a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to
>> work, live and run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European
>> Union country, he can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.
>> David
>>
>> .
>>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[David Perry]

I miss-spoke when I said "all descendants".  I believe it's only the first 
two generations that are eligible but I didn't ask about that since I was 
the first generation and my children would be the second.  I don't know if 
my grandchildren could become dual citizens based on my citizenship or that 
of my children should they choose to apply.  I'm pretty sure my 
grandchildren couldn't apply directly based solely on their great 
grandfather's birth in the Azores.  Sorry about any confusion.
David Perry  

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:

> FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be 
> citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to 
> your ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of 
> Portugal and the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering 
> the proper forms and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese 
> Consulate, just today after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a 
> Portuguese citizen even though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only 
> wrinkle in my paper trail was my father changed his name from Pereira to 
> Perry and that would have broken the trail except back in 1938 he 
> officially changed his name in this country.  Without that document, it 
> wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a parent was born there, 
> more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets longer and fuzzier - 
> though it's still possible.  
>  
> I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for 
> one son who has expressed a desire to open a B&B in semi-retirement in the 
> Azores.  He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now 
> his father is a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to 
> work, live and run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European 
> Union country, he can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.  
> David 
>  
> .   
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Cheri Mello]

I understood the same thing John Raposo did.  I'm the great-granddaughter
of the immigrant, so I don't qualify. My dad would have to become a
Portuguese citizen.  He's not interested.  They don't have a bridge to
drive his motor home/recreational vehicle there, so he's not going anywhere
except the U.S. and Canada.  LOL
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[John Raposo]

I also seem to have misunderstood my local Portuguese Consul. He told me that I 
needed to be either the son or grandson of a Portuguese citizen in order to 
become a Portuguese citizen. I qualified and became a citizen; the process only 
took two weeks but getting a passport and identity card took longer (about two 
months). I had to have the identity card before the passport could be issued. 
Portuguese citizenship as well as the ID and passport helped make somethings 
easier in Portugal and also opened some doors. He told me that my daughter, not 
being the daughter or granddaughter of a Portuguese citizen, could only become 
a citizen AFTER I became a citizen myself.

Perhaps I misunderstood.





On Thursday, December 5, 2013 4:02 PM, Kawika322  wrote:
 
That is interesting information to know. From what I have read though, I 
thought that you would only be eligible to obtain Portuguese citizenship or 
dual citizenship if a parent or grandparent was born in Portugal (up 2 to 
generations worth). In other words, if your great-grandmother was born in 
Portugal and everyone else--your grandmother, mother etc. were born in the 
states, then you would not be eligible, but they would be. 

I may have misread the info, but that is what i remember reading. 

 David

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:
FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be 
citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to your 
ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of Portugal and 
the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering the proper forms 
and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese Consulate, just today 
after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a Portuguese citizen even 
though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only wrinkle in my paper trail was my 
father changed his name from Pereira to Perry and that would have broken the 
trail except back in 1938 he officially changed his name in this country.  
Without that document, it wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a 
parent was born there, more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets 
longer and fuzzier - though it's still possible.  
> 
>I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for one 
>son who has expressed a desire to open a B&B in semi-retirement in the Azores. 
> He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now his father is 
>a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to work, live and 
>run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European Union country, he 
>can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.  
>David    
> 
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese Citizenship

[Kawika322]

That is interesting information to know. From what I have read though, I 
thought that you would only be eligible to obtain Portuguese citizenship or 
dual citizenship if a parent or grandparent was born in Portugal (up 2 to 
generations worth). In other words, if your great-grandmother was born in 
Portugal and everyone else--your grandmother, mother etc. were born in the 
states, then you would not be eligible, but they would be. 

I may have misread the info, but that is what i remember reading. 

 David

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:38:03 AM UTC-8, David Perry wrote:
>
> FYI - Portugal considers all descendants of folks born in Portugal to be 
> citizens of Portugal.  All one needs is an unbroken paper trail back to 
> your ancestor who was born there and you can become a dual citizen of 
> Portugal and the US.  My father was born in Sao Miguel and after gathering 
> the proper forms and paying a few hundred dollars to my local Portuguese 
> Consulate, just today after about 9 months, I was notified I'm officially a 
> Portuguese citizen even though I was born in Massachusetts.  The only 
> wrinkle in my paper trail was my father changed his name from Pereira to 
> Perry and that would have broken the trail except back in 1938 he 
> officially changed his name in this country.  Without that document, it 
> wouldn't have happened.  It's easiest to do if a parent was born there, 
> more difficult if it's a grandparent - the trail gets longer and fuzzier - 
> though it's still possible.  
>  
> I did this, not for me - I'm too old to care one way or another but for 
> one son who has expressed a desire to open a B&B in semi-retirement in the 
> Azores.  He too is eligible since his grandfather was born there and now 
> his father is a citizen as well.  Not only does it pave the way for him to 
> work, live and run a business in Portugal but as a citizen of a European 
> Union country, he can essentially do that anywhere in Europe.  
> David
>  
> .   
>

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Guida Leicester]

Trevor,
My grandfather was Portuguese and my understanding from recent posts is that 
only parents' Portuguese heritage counts toward citizenship these days, yes?
Guida



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Sent: Friday, February 10, 2012 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship
 

Group,
 
I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have any idea if it's possible, if 
your document-proven great-grandfather is Portuguese, given minimum residency 
and passing the language test?
Thank you.

-Trevor Costa


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Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:16 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship


On Feb 2, 10:06 pm, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote: > Here is an 
interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
> as well.
>
> http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese This blog entry 
> starts out: "I had heard that being the child or
grandchild of a Portuguese National, we able to apply for Portuguese
Citizenship. Indeed, this is true!" The information then given from the embassy 
actually says nothing at
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[ttcostadc]

Group,

I know this is a long shot, but does anyone have any idea if it's possible, if 
your document-proven great-grandfather is Portuguese, given minimum residency 
and passing the language test?
Thank you.

-Trevor Costa


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To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 11:16 am
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship


On Feb 2, 10:06 pm, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote:
> Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
 as well.

 http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese
This blog entry starts out: "I had heard that being the child or
randchild of a Portuguese National, we able to apply for Portuguese
itizenship. Indeed, this is true!"
The information then given from the embassy actually says nothing at
ll about grandparents, only parents.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Cheri Mello]

Well, Steve, that's the media for you.  I have been interviewed for
newspapers and then the article is written in such a way (with a quote
completely out of context) that the article is dead wrong.  Makes one
wonder about our news (print and television).

Cheri Mello
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Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Steve Peters]

On Feb 2, 10:06 pm, "\"E\" Sharp"  wrote:

> Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
> as well.
>
> http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese

This blog entry starts out: "I had heard that being the child or
grandchild of a Portuguese National, we able to apply for Portuguese
Citizenship. Indeed, this is true!"

The information then given from the embassy actually says nothing at
all about grandparents, only parents.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[helen kerner]

It's my understanding that the majority of Americans applying for Portuguese 
passports to obtain dual citizenship are children of people born in portugal.  


They can travel in the 27 EU countries with ease, live there or work there sans 
visas and a whole lot more.   


You don't need a Portuguese passport when traveling in the EU countries since 
the Portuguese ID card (BI) is all that is asked for.  The ease of travel 
within 
the EU countries was the reason I looked into this about six years ago.  

helen cunha kerner  

  



 


From: Nivea 
To: Azores Genealogy 
Sent: Thu, February 2, 2012 6:01:06 AM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

Dual citizenship also comes in handy when traveling to countries that
aren't "US friendly"... I have a friend that travel to different
countries because of his work & he would use the Portuguese passport
in some countries... it made him feel safer... unfortunately, US
citizens are not loved all over the world & some will target people
traveling with a US passport...

Another 2 cents...  ;-)

Nivea

On Jan 31, 11:12 pm, Katharine  wrote:
> I'd imagine that most people looking into dual citizenship might be
> retirees thinking about spending part of the year in Portugal.
> Katharine.
>
> On Jan 31, 11:32 am, "Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia
>
>
>
> Oliveira Cabral"  wrote:
> > Just one caveat - If you are applying for a US Government security
> > clearance, they will not look kindly on dual-citizenship status.- Hide 
> > quoted 
>text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Sam Koester]

So, if I am reading this right, your Parents,  one or both, must be Portuguese 
citizens.  Grandparents doesn't do it!

Sam in Maz

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Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info as 
well.

 

http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese

 

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

["E" Sharp]

Here is an interesting blog with information on this subject and other info
as well.

http://azoresnation.com/profiles/blogs/becoming-portuguese

"E"

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Nivea]

Dual citizenship also comes in handy when traveling to countries that
aren't "US friendly"... I have a friend that travel to different
countries because of his work & he would use the Portuguese passport
in some countries... it made him feel safer... unfortunately, US
citizens are not loved all over the world & some will target people
traveling with a US passport...

Another 2 cents...  ;-)

Nivea

On Jan 31, 11:12 pm, Katharine  wrote:
> I'd imagine that most people looking into dual citizenship might be
> retirees thinking about spending part of the year in Portugal.
> Katharine.
>
> On Jan 31, 11:32 am, "Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia
>
>
>
> Oliveira Cabral"  wrote:
> > Just one caveat - If you are applying for a US Government security
> > clearance, they will not look kindly on dual-citizenship status.- Hide 
> > quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Katharine]

I'd imagine that most people looking into dual citizenship might be
retirees thinking about spending part of the year in Portugal.
Katharine.


On Jan 31, 11:32 am, "Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia
Oliveira Cabral"  wrote:
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Thomas da/de Costa Vasconcelos Rodrigues Gouveia Oliveira Cabral]

Just one caveat - If you are applying for a US Government security
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Katharine]

Some years ago a friend with grandparents born in the Azores obtained
dual citizenship with Portugal without passing a Portuguese language
exam and without claiming residency there.  Has that changed lately?
Katharine.

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Karen Huffman]

Thank you so much for the information Tomas. Very interesting to learn how
it all works.  You have enlightened me!

Karen Medeiros-Huffman



On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 10:52 PM, Tomas Leal  wrote:

> In response to some of the questions and statements regarding
> Portuguese citizenship:
>
> Reason for wanting citizenship:
> My reason is purely sentimental, a greater connection with my Azorean
> grandfather and the family there. In fact, I already possess Irish
> citizenship and passport via my mother's father, so I have EU status.
>
> The U.S. "ignores" other citizenships rather than accepts them. To the
> U.S., a citizen is a citizen and that's that. Because of the
> relationship with Israel and that country's granting of citizenship to
> anyone Jewish, the U.S. has ignored the dual-citizenship issue. As far
> as the U.S. is concerned, I am only an American citizen.
>
> How I found what I needed:
> I knew my grandfather's village--Flamengos, Faial--and thus knew the
> parish. All parish records from those years are stored in the new
> library in Horta. All I had to do was look up his baptism record by
> the date. He was baptized a few days after his birth, so I easily
> found the original document. Because I still have a way to go with
> citizenship, I have only a photocopy for my own interest, not an
> official copy. When I need that, I will get it.
>
> Because of the strong position of the Catholic Church in Portugal, a
> baptismal record counts as a birth certificate. In fact, there is no
> birth certificate for most people of that time. When getting Irish
> citizenship, I used a certified copy of that grandfather's baptism
> certificate, and that was all that was needed to prove Irish birth.
> Because my grandparents immigrated (separately) to the U.S., they
> married in San Francisco, where my mother was born and married and
> where I was born. The paperwork proving my connection was easily
> obtained--took about five minutes.
>
> My Azorean grandfather also immigrated to San Francisco, where he
> married my grandmother. My father was also born here. Thus, once I
> have the Portuguese document, I will easily have everything I need to
> prove my connection.
>
> "Benefits" of EU citizenship:
> Having EU citizenship allows me to live and work within the EU.
> However, it does NOT make available all the benefits. I have never
> paid into any European health plan; thus, I cannot get national health
> insurance anywhere in the EU. For that, I must be employed and pay the
> taxes. In 2010, I had a medical emergency and had to pay completely
> out of pocket. Fortunately, medical care in the EU is nothing close to
> what is in the U.S. Treatment that would easily have cost over $1,000
> cost me about $175. My own medical insurance reimbursed my
> prescription costs less my co-pay, and the ER cost was less than my co-
> pay, so I got nothing.
>
> An additional reason for pursuing Portuguese citizenship is there are
> some work possibilities for me there. Should something come through, I
> would go into the tax system and thus contribute to the various
> programs such as health care. I could then, possibly, get some kind of
> coverage.
>
> Tomas
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Tomas Leal]

In response to some of the questions and statements regarding
Portuguese citizenship:

Reason for wanting citizenship:
My reason is purely sentimental, a greater connection with my Azorean
grandfather and the family there. In fact, I already possess Irish
citizenship and passport via my mother's father, so I have EU status.

The U.S. "ignores" other citizenships rather than accepts them. To the
U.S., a citizen is a citizen and that's that. Because of the
relationship with Israel and that country's granting of citizenship to
anyone Jewish, the U.S. has ignored the dual-citizenship issue. As far
as the U.S. is concerned, I am only an American citizen.

How I found what I needed:
I knew my grandfather's village--Flamengos, Faial--and thus knew the
parish. All parish records from those years are stored in the new
library in Horta. All I had to do was look up his baptism record by
the date. He was baptized a few days after his birth, so I easily
found the original document. Because I still have a way to go with
citizenship, I have only a photocopy for my own interest, not an
official copy. When I need that, I will get it.

Because of the strong position of the Catholic Church in Portugal, a
baptismal record counts as a birth certificate. In fact, there is no
birth certificate for most people of that time. When getting Irish
citizenship, I used a certified copy of that grandfather's baptism
certificate, and that was all that was needed to prove Irish birth.
Because my grandparents immigrated (separately) to the U.S., they
married in San Francisco, where my mother was born and married and
where I was born. The paperwork proving my connection was easily
obtained--took about five minutes.

My Azorean grandfather also immigrated to San Francisco, where he
married my grandmother. My father was also born here. Thus, once I
have the Portuguese document, I will easily have everything I need to
prove my connection.

"Benefits" of EU citizenship:
Having EU citizenship allows me to live and work within the EU.
However, it does NOT make available all the benefits. I have never
paid into any European health plan; thus, I cannot get national health
insurance anywhere in the EU. For that, I must be employed and pay the
taxes. In 2010, I had a medical emergency and had to pay completely
out of pocket. Fortunately, medical care in the EU is nothing close to
what is in the U.S. Treatment that would easily have cost over $1,000
cost me about $175. My own medical insurance reimbursed my
prescription costs less my co-pay, and the ER cost was less than my co-
pay, so I got nothing.

An additional reason for pursuing Portuguese citizenship is there are
some work possibilities for me there. Should something come through, I
would go into the tax system and thus contribute to the various
programs such as health care. I could then, possibly, get some kind of
coverage.

Tomas

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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[m_kent]

I understand that Americans can have dual citizenship (with other
countries that also allow it).

On Jan 26, 8:40 am, Pat McCoy  wrote:
> Does this mean for dual citizenship or the requirement to renounce one
> citizenship for the other?
>
> Pat McCoy
> ===
> On 1/25/12, eric edgar  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
> > since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to recieive
> > all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
> > guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
> > University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look at
> > their website for a complete picture
> >http://europa.eu/index_en.htm
>
> > Eric Edgar
>
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson wrote:
>
> >> What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
> >> get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
> >> understand.
> >> I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
> >> grandparent born in Portugal?
>
> >>  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent  wrote:
>
> >>> Tomas,
> >>> How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
> >>> and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
> >>> do this?
>
> >>> On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> >>> > My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
> >>> > Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
> >>> > requirements:
> >>> >  1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
> >>> > proof of the person's birth and your connection)
> >>> >  2 - No criminal record
> >>> >  3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
> >>> >  4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
>
> >>> > For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
> >>> > have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
> >>> > in Pico where I have a home and spend "significant portion of the
> >>> > year" each year.
>
> >>> > Tomás Leal
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[eric edgar]

No, you can be a US citizen and be a citizen of an EU country. The US sees
you just as a US citizen like anyone else. I recently completed a project
for a person who

was granted Italian citizenship through the grandparents. Their rules
differ from Portugal in that they don't require the residency or the
languague test. Irish citizenship

standards  similar to Italy's. I have a friend who's work at the Irish
consulate was to verify the genealogical records establishing parentage.

Eric Edgar

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 5:40 AM, Pat McCoy  wrote:

> Does this mean for dual citizenship or the requirement to renounce one
> citizenship for the other?
>
> Pat McCoy
> ===
>  On 1/25/12, eric edgar  wrote:
> > To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
> > since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to
> recieive
> > all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
> > guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
> > University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look
> at
> > their website for a complete picture
> > http://europa.eu/index_en.htm
> >
> > Eric Edgar
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson  >wrote:
> >
> >> What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
> >> get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
> >> understand.
> >> I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
> >> grandparent born in Portugal?
> >>
> >>  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tomas,
> >>> How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
> >>> and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
> >>> do this?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> >>> > My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
> >>> > Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
> >>> > requirements:
> >>> >  1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
> >>> > proof of the person's birth and your connection)
> >>> >  2 - No criminal record
> >>> >  3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
> >>> >  4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
> >>> >
> >>> > For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
> >>> > have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
> >>> > in Pico where I have a home and spend "significant portion of the
> >>> > year" each year.
> >>> >
> >>> > Tomás Leal
> >>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Pat McCoy]

Does this mean for dual citizenship or the requirement to renounce one
citizenship for the other?

Pat McCoy
===
On 1/25/12, eric edgar  wrote:
> To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
> since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to recieive
> all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
> guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
> University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look at
> their website for a complete picture
> http://europa.eu/index_en.htm
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson wrote:
>
>> What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
>> get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
>> understand.
>> I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
>> grandparent born in Portugal?
>>
>>  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent  wrote:
>>
>>> Tomas,
>>> How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
>>> and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
>>> do this?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal  wrote:
>>> > My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
>>> > Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
>>> > requirements:
>>> >  1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
>>> > proof of the person's birth and your connection)
>>> >  2 - No criminal record
>>> >  3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
>>> >  4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
>>> >
>>> > For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
>>> > have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
>>> > in Pico where I have a home and spend "significant portion of the
>>> > year" each year.
>>> >
>>> > Tomás Leal
>>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[eric edgar]

To become a Portuguese citizen is also to become a Europe Union citizen
since Portugal is a member state. This means that you are able to recieive
all benefits they offer. There is a EU Health Insurance Card that
guarantees quality care across borders, There is the Erasmus Programme of
University Exchange that offers internships and housing assistance. Look at
their website for a complete picture
http://europa.eu/index_en.htm

Eric Edgar





On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Marilyn Thompson wrote:

> What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
> get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
> understand.
> I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
> grandparent born in Portugal?
>
>  On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent  wrote:
>
>> Tomas,
>> How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
>> and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
>> do this?
>>
>>
>> On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal  wrote:
>> > My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
>> > Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
>> > requirements:
>> >  1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
>> > proof of the person's birth and your connection)
>> >  2 - No criminal record
>> >  3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
>> >  4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
>> >
>> > For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
>> > have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
>> > in Pico where I have a home and spend "significant portion of the
>> > year" each year.
>> >
>> > Tomás Leal
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[Marilyn Thompson]

What is the reason you would want to become a Portuguese citizen? Do not
get me wrong there is nothing wrong with it, I am just trying to
understand.
I also have a question, in this case does the Azores birth qualify for a
grandparent born in Portugal?

On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 10:42 AM, m_kent  wrote:

> Tomas,
> How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
> and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
> do this?
>
>
> On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> > My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
> > Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
> > requirements:
> >  1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
> > proof of the person's birth and your connection)
> >  2 - No criminal record
> >  3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
> >  4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
> >
> > For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
> > have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
> > in Pico where I have a home and spend "significant portion of the
> > year" each year.
> >
> > Tomás Leal
>
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Portuguese citizenship

[m_kent]

Tomas,
How did you establish proof of connection? Did you get Azorean baptism
and/or birth records certified in the Azores?  Who would I contact to
do this?


On Jan 24, 1:21 am, Tomas Leal  wrote:
> My understanding--which was confirmed when I met recently with the
> Portuguese Consul General in San Francisco--is you must meet four
> requirements:
>  1 - Have a grandparent born in Portugal (which means, of course,
> proof of the person's birth and your connection)
>  2 - No criminal record
>  3 - Three years' residency in Portugal
>  4 - Passing a Portuguese language exam
>
> For me, only the last one remains, so I'm working on my Portuguese. I
> have the residency, via an affidavit by the president of the village
> in Pico where I have a home and spend "significant portion of the
> year" each year.
>
> Tomás Leal

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