[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano
On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38:36 PM UTC-4, Erin Smith wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any info on where I could trace back my ancestors records in Sao Miguel. I don't speak Portuguese. I have some info on them. My maternal grandfather was born in 1919 in Rhode Island. His father was Manuel (possible first name) Amaral and his mother was Maria Gloria Linhares both were from Sao Miguel. My maternal grandmother was born in Rhode Island in 1920's. Her mother was Maria Melo born 1902 in Vila Franca in Sao Miguel. My grandmom's father was Manuel Furtado Caetano born 1900 in Riberia Quente, Sao Miguel. Mary/Maria Melo was born May 13,1902 Vila Franca Manuel Furtado Caetano born Sept. 4, 1900 Riberia Quente Manuel/Manoel Amaral born Nov. 1, 1877 Unknown town Sao Miguel The one I'm having the most trouble with was born Oct. 8th, 1881 in the census she has been listed as Maria Gloria Amaral , Mary Amaral and a website had her name listed as Gloria Liandre when she was married in 1912. My mom thought it was Linhares. I'm not sure if the website had Liandre as a misspelling or not. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano
You will have no problem to quickly find the first two and the margin notes, if any, might help you find the others.Liandre is not a Portuguese name, nor any name I've seen.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano From: Erin Smith esmith1...@gmail.com Date: Wed, October 15, 2014 9:44 am To: azores@googlegroups.com On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 7:38:36 PM UTC-4, Erin Smith wrote: I was wondering if anyone had any info on where I could trace back my ancestors records in Sao Miguel. I don't speak Portuguese. I have some info on them. My maternal grandfather was born in 1919 in Rhode Island. His father was Manuel (possible first name) Amaral and his mother was Maria Gloria Linhares both were from Sao Miguel. My maternal grandmother was born in Rhode Island in 1920's. Her mother was Maria Melo born 1902 in Vila Franca in Sao Miguel. My grandmom's father was Manuel Furtado Caetano born 1900 in Riberia Quente, Sao Miguel. Mary/Maria Melo was born May 13,1902 Vila Franca Manuel Furtado Caetano born Sept. 4, 1900 Riberia Quente Manuel/Manoel Amaral born Nov. 1, 1877 Unknown town Sao Miguel The one I'm having the most trouble with was born Oct. 8th, 1881 in the census she has been listed as Maria Gloria Amaral , Mary Amaral and a website had her name listed as Gloria Liandre when she was married in 1912. My mom thought it was Linhares. I'm not sure if the website had Liandre as a misspelling or not. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano
Erin S, Don't quote yourself. We can always go back and reread your question. I almost thought it was some kind of mistake and almost deleted your post from the queue because I thought it was identical to yesterday's message. I sent you Manuel Furtado Caetano's birth. That document from yesterday says he was born 4 Sept 1900 in Ribeira Quente. Don't start with the one that you are having trouble with. You will only frustrate yourself. Start with the ones you know the most about. In the how to link I gave you, you will see that you need the name, date, and place (freguesia or village) to begin your research in the Azores. You can chase Manuel Amaral around the U.S. by following the information in the how to link. One of those sources may turn up his freguesia. Start with Manuel Furtado Caetano from Ribeira Quente. Go to the how to and look at the format that the baptisms are in. Then look at his birth and see if you can find the names. The dates are usually the hardest because they are written out long hand (four September one thousand nine hundred). Collect all his siblings. That way you are learning how to read the handwriting. That priest in R.Quente doesn't have the best penmanship, so it will be a little hard. But I've seen worse penmanship. And if you are a young person and don't use handwriting, you may have to go back and familiarize yourself with cursive handwriting. Your lines will tie into mine and go back to Ponta Garca and tie in a larger group of people. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames: Linhares,Amaral,Melo, Furtado,Caetano
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[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames, middles names
I use the name on their marriage records since they were alive and well when they got married and would be their most correct name. On Sunday, June 9, 2013 10:09:01 AM UTC-4, Gerri Martin wrote: How does one decide what to use as a preferred or primary name for a person? Baptism, marriage, death etc all list the same person with different (sometimes very different) surnames, middle names etc. Then if they come to this country, it starts all over again with different spellings etc. I was just wondering how experienced genealogists do. Is there a general consensus or rule they follow? Thanks Gerri Martin -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames, middles names
Gerri M, I have a tendency to give weight to the marriage record. But some ancestors clearly changed their name. I have a Maria Joaquina/de Jesus/Julia. All 3 of her middle names are off of the marriage, her death and all her kids' baptisms. I made a check sheet and each name appeared 3 times and one of them appeared 4 times. Since I can't figure her out, I list her as Maria Joaquina/de Jesus/Julia. My Francisco de Mello Barboza was a clear case. He was Francisco de Mello at marriage and a couple of kids' baptisms. But then he became Francisco de Mello Barboza at one baptism and was that the rest of his kids' baptisms and at his death. He had an uncle Francisco de Mello, a cousin Francisco de Mello, and a nephew Francisco de Mello. To differentiate himself, he used his maternal grandmother's name and added it on (compounded surname). And he was consistent. Since I feel he wanted to be known as Francisco de Mello Barboza, that's how I have him in my genealogy program. So there's no real rule! Not helpful, I know. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to azores@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores?hl=en.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: surnames
Several years ago I read a scientific study that was posted online seeking to determine whether any surnames in the Azores were characteristic of a particular island. The only one with statistical significance was the surname JORGE on PICO. Unfortunately, a cursory web search tonight isn't bringing up the article. Does anyone else recall it, who can help locate it? (It might've been in Portuguese, but I can't recall for certain any more). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: surnames
Here is one of the articles: If you are interested, email and I will send you the file. Dolores Coyle Population Structure of Sao Miguel Island, Azores: A Surname Study Branco, Claudia C. Mota-Vieira, Luisa. Human Biology, Volume 75, Number 6, December 2003, pp. 929-939 (Article) On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.comwrote: Several years ago I read a scientific study that was posted online seeking to determine whether any surnames in the Azores were characteristic of a particular island. The only one with statistical significance was the surname JORGE on PICO. Unfortunately, a cursory web search tonight isn't bringing up the article. Does anyone else recall it, who can help locate it? (It might've been in Portuguese, but I can't recall for certain any more). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: surnames
Here is another article. I have access through temple Library where I work. If someone would like a copy, please email me. Thanks, Dolores Coyle Surnames in the Azores:Analysis of the Isonymy StructureClaudia C. Branco Genetics and Molecular Pathology Unit, Hospital of Divino Espírito Santo, 9500-370 Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores, Portugal; and Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Oeiras, Portugal. Luisa Mota-Vieira Genetics and Molecular Pathology Unit, Hospital of Divino Espírito Santo, 9500-370 Ponta Delgada, São Miguel Island, Azores, Portugal; and Instituto Gulbenkian de Ciência, Oeiras, Portugal. *Abstract* Geographic isolation is a significant factor to consider when characterizing human populations. The knowledge of the genetic structure of isolated populations has been of great importance to disease-locus positioning and gene identification. To investigate the genetic structure of the Azorean population, we conducted a survey based on the frequencies of surnames listed in the 2001 telephone book. We calculated the following parameters: isonymy (*I*), the random component of inbreeding (*FST*), genetic diversity according to Fisher (α), Karlin-McGregor's migration rate (ν), and Nei's distance. For the 1,271 subscribers and 163 different surnames, Graciosa island presented the lowest value of abundance of surnames (α = 15.75), suggesting great genetic isolation compared to the other eight islands. Migration, calculated on the basis of the diversity of surnames within islands, ranged from 0.2747 (Corvo island) to 0.0026 (São Miguel island), indicating that people migrated preferentially toward the economically more developed islands. The value of the random component of inbreeding obtained for the whole population (*FST* = 0.0039) indicates little genetic differentiation (Wright's *FST*0.05). Moreover, isonymy similarity revealed using the UPGMA method shows three subclusters corresponding to the geographic distribution of the islands. *Keywords* Azore Islands, surnames, isonymy, inbreeding, diversity, isolated population. The Portuguese archipelago of the Azore Islands is composed of On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.comwrote: Several years ago I read a scientific study that was posted online seeking to determine whether any surnames in the Azores were characteristic of a particular island. The only one with statistical significance was the surname JORGE on PICO. Unfortunately, a cursory web search tonight isn't bringing up the article. Does anyone else recall it, who can help locate it? (It might've been in Portuguese, but I can't recall for certain any more). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: surnames
Medeiros in Sao Miguel, Faial and Pico, Quadrado in São Jorge, Pimentel in Sao Miguel, Rebolo in Terceira. JORGE was originally patronymic, and it'll be very common, but its branches are not necessarily relatives. Joao SLopes De: Dolores Coyle dolores.co...@gmail.com Para: azores@googlegroups.com Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 9 de Maio de 2012 11:46 Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: surnames Here is one of the articles: If you are interested, email and I will send you the file. Dolores Coyle Population Structure of Sao Miguel Island, Azores: A Surname StudyBranco, Claudia C. Mota-Vieira, Luisa.Human Biology, Volume 75, Number 6, December 2003, pp. 929-939 (Article) On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 11:39 PM, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Several years ago I read a scientific study that was posted online seeking to determine whether any surnames in the Azores were characteristic of a particular island. The only one with statistical significance was the surname JORGE on PICO. Unfortunately, a cursory web search tonight isn't bringing up the article. Does anyone else recall it, who can help locate it? (It might've been in Portuguese, but I can't recall for certain any more). Katharine. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames on Flores: ARMAS, FRAGA, FURTADO, LIZANDRO, REIS, RODRIGUES, SERPA, SILVEIRA, VALADÃO (=Valladão)
It seems I made an error on the definition of grota seca. I am sorry about that. It is simply the name of a place and it means: Translation for grota is valley! Grota seca means dry valley. Other meanings: It is a terrain situated in between 2 mountains or Deep valley. An area carved by the fast rushing of the river waters. A depression made by heavy water on the side of a hill or mountain. For years I thought it meant cave! And there are caves where my family is from. On the other hand, Grotas Fundas is located between hills. Thanks to Margaret for the correction. JR On Jul 29, 10:52 pm, Katharine katharine.f.ba...@gmail.com wrote: Re grota seca: I've read claims that the earliest settlers on Flores lived in caves on the island for about a decade, before they could establish themselves well enough to build homes -- although my impression was that it occurred over on the east coast, from just below Santa Cruz down to north of Lomba. But who knows, maybe it was also done on the west coast of Flores (or on other islands) as well -- anybody know? On Jul 29, 9:43 pm, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote: I have no info about Flores but perhaps I can give you some insight on the name Grota Seca . It literally means dry cave. But in my expereince this a small area or neighbourhood within the village or town. Most have such names, depending on their characteristics. My family was from a neighbourhood called Grotas Fundas; that is deep caves.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
[AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Surnames on Flores: ARMAS, FRAGA, FURTADO, LIZANDRO, REIS, RODRIGUES, SERPA, SILVEIRA, VALADÃO (=Valladão)
Re grota seca: I've read claims that the earliest settlers on Flores lived in caves on the island for about a decade, before they could establish themselves well enough to build homes -- although my impression was that it occurred over on the east coast, from just below Santa Cruz down to north of Lomba. But who knows, maybe it was also done on the west coast of Flores (or on other islands) as well -- anybody know? On Jul 29, 9:43 pm, JR jro...@rogers.com wrote: I have no info about Flores but perhaps I can give you some insight on the name Grota Seca . It literally means dry cave. But in my expereince this a small area or neighbourhood within the village or town. Most have such names, depending on their characteristics. My family was from a neighbourhood called Grotas Fundas; that is deep caves. -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership.
