Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

[John Raposo]

What a gentleman! He claimed and took responsibility for a child, which means 
he reported the birth and claimed paternity, while refusing to name the mother 
and thus not subjecting her to ill repute. I know of only one other case, 
though there are probably others. There a numerous recorded births of children 
o singe mothers and unknown fathers but very few children registered to fathers 
and unknown mothers.
 
John Miranda Raposo
 


 From: Richard  Francis Pimentel 
To: Azores@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:54 PM
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record
  

Hi All,
 
The attached record is unusual in that the child’s mother is reported as 
unknown. It reads “ Manuel Son  natural of Floriano Cabral single and native of 
the parish of Nossa Senhora da Estrela Church in the village of Ribeira Grande 
and mother unknown Paternal grandson of Joam Cabral and Juliana Rosa, maternal 
grandson of unknown  parents. 
 
It is unusual to see a record like this. I have found this same Floriano Cabral 
in later records and having legitimate children with his wife. 
 
Rick
 
Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 
 
Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
 
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

[pico]

I have seen "unknown mother" many times, in fact.But it is still unusual enough to remember it well.It seems to happen mostly with wealthy and important fathers. I know cases where Dr. so and so is the father.In Faial and Terceira are some families like Teles that it happened several times. Same for some Pamplona families of Terceira.I have a case where my own ancestor did this. But it was more strange than usual because the mother was certainly well known.If you paid attention to any of my recent posts, you know I have ancestors from Chile.Well, my Piedade ancestor moved to Chile where he married a local girl and had 5 children from a legal marriage.He later smuggled his three surviving daughters out of the country and took them back to Terceira.In Conceicao, Angra, about the 1880s sometime are a series of "legitimacoes" that show these three daughters having an unknown mother (the true mother was my ancestor from Chile).So they were estranged and after the death of my Piedade male ancestor, my ancestor from Chile moved to Terceira where she proved she was the mother of these three daughters.She probably brought along the marriage record to prove it. She remained there with her daughters until she died in about the 1930s, with the exception of the daughter who was my great-grandmother, since she moved to California and is buried in Hayward.The best I can figure is that my Piedade male ancestor was wealthy enough to pay off whomever in the church would take his money and make such a record to say the mother was unknown.He left a lot of property to his heirs, so that seems the most likely answer.I might be the only person who can claim to have an ancestor with two legal and different baptism records for the same person. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record
From: John Raposo <marra...@yahoo.com>
Date: Fri, January 11, 2013 1:08 pm
To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com>

What a gentleman! He claimed and took responsibility for a child, which means he reported the birth and claimed paternity, while refusing to name the mother and thus not subjecting her to ill repute. I know of only one other case, though there are probably others. There a numerous recorded births of children o singe mothers and unknown fathers but very few children registered to fathers and unknown mothers. John Miranda Raposo  From: Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> To: Azores@googlegroups.com  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record   Hi All,  The attached record is unusual in that the child’s mother is reported as unknown. It reads “ Manuel Son  natural of Floriano Cabral single and native of the parish of Nossa Senhora da Estrela Church in the village of Ribeira Grande and mother unknown Paternal grandson of Joam Cabral and Juliana Rosa, maternal grandson of unknown  parents.   It is unusual to see a record like this. I have found this same Floriano Cabral in later records and having legitimate children with his wife.   Rick  Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire   Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores   -- 




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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

[Richard Francis Pimentel]

I do have him named as married in births of other children at a later date
but I have not searched for the record of marriage to her. Sometimes a
notation will be made on a marriage record legitimizing the children.
Another possibility is that this child did not survive which a search of the
death records would reveal.

Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel
Spring, TX
Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire 

Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores
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From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of
Dano
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 8:03 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

Other than circumstances with foundlings, it certainly is rare to find a
record that doesn't name the mother. Floriano was apparently a "standup guy"
in this instance, as well as later on in life. That being considered, what
are the chances that his eventual marriage was to his first love, the mother
of his first child??? 

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record

[pico]

I have recorded "unknown mother" 40 times and am certain I saw many that I didn't record.Look for Emilia:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1824-1844/TER-AH-SAOPEDRO-B-1824-1844_item1/P102.html Look for Tomas:http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1819-1830/TER-AH-RIBEIRINHA-B-1819-1830_item1/P69.html Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record
From: <p...@dholmes.com>
Date: Fri, January 11, 2013 2:35 pm
To: azores@googlegroups.com

I have seen "unknown mother" many times, in fact.But it is still unusual enough to remember it well.It seems to happen mostly with wealthy and important fathers. I know cases where Dr. so and so is the father.In Faial and Terceira are some families like Teles that it happened several times. Same for some Pamplona families of Terceira.I have a case where my own ancestor did this. But it was more strange than usual because the mother was certainly well known.If you paid attention to any of my recent posts, you know I have ancestors from Chile.Well, my Piedade ancestor moved to Chile where he married a local girl and had 5 children from a legal marriage.He later smuggled his three surviving daughters out of the country and took them back to Terceira.In Conceicao, Angra, about the 1880s sometime are a series of "legitimacoes" that show these three daughters having an unknown mother (the true mother was my ancestor from Chile).So they were estranged and after the death of my Piedade male ancestor, my ancestor from Chile moved to Terceira where she proved she was the mother of these three daughters.She probably brought along the marriage record to prove it. She remained there with her daughters until she died in about the 1930s, with the exception of the daughter who was my great-grandmother, since she moved to California and is buried in Hayward.The best I can figure is that my Piedade male ancestor was wealthy enough to pay off whomever in the church would take his money and make such a record to say the mother was unknown.He left a lot of property to his heirs, so that seems the most likely answer.I might be the only person who can claim to have an ancestor with two legal and different baptism records for the same person. :-)Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com   -------- Original Message ---- Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record From: John Raposo <marra...@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, January 11, 2013 1:08 pm To: "azores@googlegroups.com" <azores@googlegroups.com>  What a gentleman! He claimed and took responsibility for a child, which means he reported the birth and claimed paternity, while refusing to name the mother and thus not subjecting her to ill repute. I know of only one other case, though there are probably others. There a numerous recorded births of children o singe mothers and unknown fathers but very few children registered to fathers and unknown mothers. John Miranda Raposo  From: Richard Francis Pimentel <rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> To: Azores@googlegroups.com  Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 2:54 PM Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record   Hi All,  The attached record is unusual in that the child’s mother is reported as unknown. It reads “ Manuel Son  natural of Floriano Cabral single and native of the parish of Nossa Senhora da Estrela Church in the village of Ribeira Grande and mother unknown Paternal grandson of Joam Cabral and Juliana Rosa, maternal grandson of unknown  parents.   It is unusual to see a record like this. I have found this same Floriano Cabral in later records and having legitimate children with his wife.   Rick  Richard Francis PimentelSpring, TXFormerly of Epping, New Hampshire   Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores   -- 




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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record - Born at sea.

[Cheri Mello]

Wow, you get more detail at sea than you do at home! :)

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: São Miguel island: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente,
Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *I came across the most unusual record today and it is worth sharing. It
> is a birth record recorded among the baptismal records of Ribeirinha in Sao
> Miguel It is recorded on 20 September 1888,  Manuel son of Antonio Joaquim
> do Rego from Ribeirinha and Helena de Jesus Alves from Bretanha. Sao Miguel
>  The steam ship Berlim was traveling from Baia, Brazil to Terceira.  He was
> born on 16 May 1888 at 8:22 am at 8 degrees 45 minutes north Latitude and
> 29 degrees 57 minutes west longitude. *
>
>
>
> *The parents were married in Ribeirinha and must have went to Brazil and
> were returning to the Acores. *
>
>
>
> *Number 88 Manuel
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P398.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record - Born at sea.

[Rosemarie Capodicci]

What a great record, Richard! Someone will appreciate that info a some
point in their research!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel <
rfrancispimen...@comcast.net> wrote:

> *I came across the most unusual record today and it is worth sharing. It
> is a birth record recorded among the baptismal records of Ribeirinha in Sao
> Miguel It is recorded on 20 September 1888,  Manuel son of Antonio Joaquim
> do Rego from Ribeirinha and Helena de Jesus Alves from Bretanha. Sao Miguel
>  The steam ship Berlim was traveling from Baia, Brazil to Terceira.  He was
> born on 16 May 1888 at 8:22 am at 8 degrees 45 minutes north Latitude and
> 29 degrees 57 minutes west longitude. *
>
>
>
> *The parents were married in Ribeirinha and must have went to Brazil and
> were returning to the Acores. *
>
>
>
> *Number 88 Manuel
> http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P398.html
> 
> *
>
>
>
> *Rick*
>
> *Richard Francis Pimentel*
>
> *Epping, NH*
>
>
>
> *Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and
> Ponta Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores*
>
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record - Born at sea.

[nancy jean baptiste]

Wow Rick! Very interesting!


Nancy Jean


From: azores@googlegroups.com  on behalf of Rosemarie 
Capodicci 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2018 2:12:23 PM
To: azores@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Unusual Record - Born at sea.

What a great record, Richard! Someone will appreciate that info a some point in 
their research!

Rosemarie
rcap...@gmail.com<mailto:rcap...@gmail.com>
Researching Sao Jorge, Terceira, Graciosa, Faial and Pico, Azores,
Isola delle Femmine, Sant' Elia, Sicily

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Richard Francis Pimentel 
mailto:rfrancispimen...@comcast.net>> wrote:

I came across the most unusual record today and it is worth sharing. It is a 
birth record recorded among the baptismal records of Ribeirinha in Sao Miguel 
It is recorded on 20 September 1888,  Manuel son of Antonio Joaquim do Rego 
from Ribeirinha and Helena de Jesus Alves from Bretanha. Sao Miguel  The steam 
ship Berlim was traveling from Baia, Brazil to Terceira.  He was born on 16 May 
1888 at 8:22 am at 8 degrees 45 minutes north Latitude and 29 degrees 57 
minutes west longitude.



The parents were married in Ribeirinha and must have went to Brazil and were 
returning to the Acores.



Number 88 Manuel 
http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889/SMG-RG-RIBEIRINHA-B-1880-1889_item1/P398.html



Rick

Richard Francis Pimentel

Epping, NH



Researching, Riberia Grande, Riberinha, Achada Grande,  Bretanha, and Ponta 
Delgada,  Sao Miguel, Acores



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