Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
Thank you Margaret. I did find her first marriage in São Sebastião: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899_item1/P19.html. Her age is 17 years in May 1890 which is consistent with what I have for her birth in Oct 1872 and that would make her age 32 years for the second marriage in Jan 1905. As the priest stated in her second marriage, her name in this first marriage is Rosa dos Anjos. Her parents are Manuel Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa from Agua Retorta in both records. The priest simply made a mistake on her age in the second marriage. I did find the baptism for the groom in São Pedro and his age is correct--he was in 11 years younger than his bride. Maybe she looked young even though she had 9 children at that point (only 4 survived). She had 9 more with this second husband, 5 of which survived. Do you know if it was common to change the religious or devotional names as she apparently did? Thanks again, Bill Seidler On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:10:17 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote: Hi Bill, on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all the current documentation.. He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from birth records certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this couple. . On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, bsei...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a half). http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change devotional names on subsequent marriages? Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle of right page just below the D in the watermark). I think the priest made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of 1872. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
Bill, good work. With reference to changing names. Her name is Maria and you can verify that against the birth record. The 2nd name is an add on by the parents and family until Civil registry was implemented in 1911 for the general population. There's a couple of possibilities, in my opinion. The first being the priest is setting the record straight and her name is indeed da Conceicao and there was a mistake made in the first record. And the 2nd is basically she went by both names inside family called her one thing and friends and neighbours called her another and she acknowledged both. I don't see it as a name change, really but rather using both. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:04 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Margaret. I did find her first marriage in São Sebastião: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899_item1/P19.html. Her age is 17 years in May 1890 which is consistent with what I have for her birth in Oct 1872 and that would make her age 32 years for the second marriage in Jan 1905. As the priest stated in her second marriage, her name in this first marriage is Rosa dos Anjos. Her parents are Manuel Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa from Agua Retorta in both records. The priest simply made a mistake on her age in the second marriage. I did find the baptism for the groom in São Pedro and his age is correct--he was in 11 years younger than his bride. Maybe she looked young even though she had 9 children at that point (only 4 survived). She had 9 more with this second husband, 5 of which survived. Do you know if it was common to change the religious or devotional names as she apparently did? Thanks again, Bill Seidler On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:10:17 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote: Hi Bill, on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all the current documentation.. He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from birth records certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this couple. . On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a half). http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900- 1911_item1/P160.html On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change devotional names on subsequent marriages? Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle of right page just below the D in the watermark). I think the priest made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of 1872. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
sorry Bill, I also meant to say that your best source of information is her children's birth records for both marriages. They will show if the was a clerical error or if she indeed used one or the other. Cheers, On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Bill, good work. With reference to changing names. Her name is Maria and you can verify that against the birth record. The 2nd name is an add on by the parents and family until Civil registry was implemented in 1911 for the general population. There's a couple of possibilities, in my opinion. The first being the priest is setting the record straight and her name is indeed da Conceicao and there was a mistake made in the first record. And the 2nd is basically she went by both names inside family called her one thing and friends and neighbours called her another and she acknowledged both. I don't see it as a name change, really but rather using both. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:04 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Margaret. I did find her first marriage in São Sebastião: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899_item1/P19.html. Her age is 17 years in May 1890 which is consistent with what I have for her birth in Oct 1872 and that would make her age 32 years for the second marriage in Jan 1905. As the priest stated in her second marriage, her name in this first marriage is Rosa dos Anjos. Her parents are Manuel Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa from Agua Retorta in both records. The priest simply made a mistake on her age in the second marriage. I did find the baptism for the groom in São Pedro and his age is correct--he was in 11 years younger than his bride. Maybe she looked young even though she had 9 children at that point (only 4 survived). She had 9 more with this second husband, 5 of which survived. Do you know if it was common to change the religious or devotional names as she apparently did? Thanks again, Bill Seidler On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:10:17 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote: Hi Bill, on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all the current documentation.. He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from birth records certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this couple. . On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a half). http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900- 1911_item1/P160.html On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change devotional names on subsequent marriages? Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle of right page just below the D in the watermark). I think the priest made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of 1872. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
I don't see see the big deal. Portugal has it own customs and culture and these things just happened, not in any formal sense. People have many names and sometimes they just get truncated. So over time, you may get to discover your ancestor's whole name. It may even include a nickname, which was common and part of the culture. I get this question all the time. It's because name usage was not that formal or rigid. Literacy was just beginning for the vast majority. But I will say when the devotional names became predominant they often make it difficult to ascertain which ancestor is really yours. I also find the more info and variations in name your ancestor has, the more it can come in handy when you have a difficult record to decipher, or decide whether it really is your ancestor. So what I do is keep one or two essential names and and make simple notes of the variations. I almost couldn't find my own Roia ancestor because he used the name Joao da Costa when he married, but thereafter, he never used it again. His children and grandchildren never used Costa either. It was Roia ever after- Amen!! By the way, I think this ancestor of yours is in the archives under Manuel Bernardo Teixeira. I believe I discussed this line with someone and N. Teixeira. JR On Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:11:43 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: I've seen women change their devotional name. Who knows...maybe she prayed to the Holy Spirit after a hard labor and became Maria do Espirito Santo. And then there are some that I just can't figure out. Maria de Jesus or Maria Joaquina or Maria Julia? Is my ancestor having an identity crisis, or did the priest mess up? Or is one her true name, another what family calls her, or she just decided to change. All I can figure out about that ancestor is that she liked the letter J. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
The evolution of names of one of my GGG grandmothers b. 1812 Rita 1833 Rita do Espirito Santo 1834 Rita dos Santos 1838 Rita de Jesus 1840 Rita do Espirito Santo 1847 Rita Rosa do Espirito Santo 1857 Rita da Conceicao 1860 Rita de Jesus 1860 Rita da Conceicao 1861 Rita de Jesus 1862 Rita da Conceicao 1863 Rita de Jesus 1867 Rita de Sousa 1869 Rita de Jesus 1872 Rita da Conceicao 1878 Rita de Jesus 1880 Rita de Jesus Pimentel 1882 Rita de Jesus 1883 Rita de Jesus Pimentel Who knows how she is named after her death in 1884. It seems like the only name that is consistent has been her first name Rita. To make things even more interesting her husband’s first wife was named Margarida de Jesus. Back in the dark ages (1990) when I first started doing my genealogy I thought Rita and Margarida were the same. Was I ever leading myself down the wrong path. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Epping, NH From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:12 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names I've seen women change their devotional name. Who knows...maybe she prayed to the Holy Spirit after a hard labor and became Maria do Espirito Santo. And then there are some that I just can't figure out. Maria de Jesus or Maria Joaquina or Maria Julia? Is my ancestor having an identity crisis, or did the priest mess up? Or is one her true name, another what family calls her, or she just decided to change. All I can figure out about that ancestor is that she liked the letter J. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
To add to Margaret's assessment of name change, I have seen the name change when they move from one freguesia to another, or when they remarry. I even did it when I went to college, but my new friends heard my old name... and I was still known as Tish. Tish On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: sorry Bill, I also meant to say that your best source of information is her children's birth records for both marriages. They will show if the was a clerical error or if she indeed used one or the other. Cheers, On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Margaret Vicente margaretvice...@gmail.com wrote: Bill, good work. With reference to changing names. Her name is Maria and you can verify that against the birth record. The 2nd name is an add on by the parents and family until Civil registry was implemented in 1911 for the general population. There's a couple of possibilities, in my opinion. The first being the priest is setting the record straight and her name is indeed da Conceicao and there was a mistake made in the first record. And the 2nd is basically she went by both names inside family called her one thing and friends and neighbours called her another and she acknowledged both. I don't see it as a name change, really but rather using both. On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:04 AM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you Margaret. I did find her first marriage in São Sebastião: http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1890-1899_item1/P19.html. Her age is 17 years in May 1890 which is consistent with what I have for her birth in Oct 1872 and that would make her age 32 years for the second marriage in Jan 1905. As the priest stated in her second marriage, her name in this first marriage is Rosa dos Anjos. Her parents are Manuel Bernardo Teixeira and Emilia Rosa from Agua Retorta in both records. The priest simply made a mistake on her age in the second marriage. I did find the baptism for the groom in São Pedro and his age is correct--he was in 11 years younger than his bride. Maybe she looked young even though she had 9 children at that point (only 4 survived). She had 9 more with this second husband, 5 of which survived. Do you know if it was common to change the religious or devotional names as she apparently did? Thanks again, Bill Seidler On Wednesday, January 7, 2015 5:10:17 PM UTC-8, Mara wrote: Hi Bill, on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all the current documentation.. He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from birth records certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this couple. . On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, bsei...@gmail.com wrote: This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a half). http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG- PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900- 1911_item1/P160.html On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change devotional names on subsequent marriages? Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle of right page just below the D in the watermark). I think the priest made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of 1872. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
I've seen women change their devotional name. Who knows...maybe she prayed to the Holy Spirit after a hard labor and became Maria do Espirito Santo. And then there are some that I just can't figure out. Maria de Jesus or Maria Joaquina or Maria Julia? Is my ancestor having an identity crisis, or did the priest mess up? Or is one her true name, another what family calls her, or she just decided to change. All I can figure out about that ancestor is that she liked the letter J. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
JR, my congratulations on how you dig in those times! The document emailed by Richard shows how to deal (in a professional way) with a question! Why keep on thinking that rules were the same as today? Why trying to “Americanize” everything?! What is the point to “criticize” without an ethnographic knowledge of OUR roots? eliseu De: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] Em nome de JR Enviada: quinta-feira, 8 de Janeiro de 2015 16:01 Para: azores@googlegroups.com Assunto: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names I don't see see the big deal. Portugal has it own customs and culture and these things just happened, not in any formal sense. People have many names and sometimes they just get truncated. So over time, you may get to discover your ancestor's whole name. It may even include a nickname, which was common and part of the culture. I get this question all the time. It's because name usage was not that formal or rigid. Literacy was just beginning for the vast majority. But I will say when the devotional names became predominant they often make it difficult to ascertain which ancestor is really yours. I also find the more info and variations in name your ancestor has, the more it can come in handy when you have a difficult record to decipher, or decide whether it really is your ancestor. So what I do is keep one or two essential names and and make simple notes of the variations. I almost couldn't find my own Roia ancestor because he used the name Joao da Costa when he married, but thereafter, he never used it again. His children and grandchildren never used Costa either. It was Roia ever after- Amen!! By the way, I think this ancestor of yours is in the archives under Manuel Bernardo Teixeira. I believe I discussed this line with someone and N. Teixeira. JR On Thursday, January 8, 2015 11:11:43 AM UTC-5, Cheri Mello wrote: I've seen women change their devotional name. Who knows...maybe she prayed to the Holy Spirit after a hard labor and became Maria do Espirito Santo. And then there are some that I just can't figure out. Maria de Jesus or Maria Joaquina or Maria Julia? Is my ancestor having an identity crisis, or did the priest mess up? Or is one her true name, another what family calls her, or she just decided to change. All I can figure out about that ancestor is that she liked the letter J. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to mailto:azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
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I don't think anyone was criticizing or Americanizing the names. The original question asked if women typically changed their names. Most researchers try to make sense or apply a rule of some sort. It doesn't work that way with Portuguese names. People responded with a variety of examples from their family tree. It still goes back to The rule is that there is no rule. There are only generalities. That is hard for a new researcher to get used to, as is the fact that many women didn't carry a surname. But no one posting to this thread was criticizing. They are just trying to understand the custom and make sense of it. Cheri -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Devotional names
Hi Bill, on the 2nd page, top, the priest wrote Rosa da Conceicao known as Rosa dos Anjos as per her first marriage, whom I know to be the proper with all the current documentation.. He's 21, single, locksmith, natural of S. Pedro of this city, residing at rua dos Foros (Foros St.) of this Matrix. Son of Jose da Silva natural of this same Matrix and of Maria da Encarnacao natural of S. Jose of this same city. She (the bride) 22 years old, housewife, natural of Nossa Senhora de Penha de Franca, Agua Retorta place, council of Povoacao of this island, where she was baptised and residing at rua dos Foros, widow of Antonio Pacheco, deceased in the said parish of Sao Jose. Daughter of Manuel Fernando Teixeira and Emilia Rosa. Regarding the age difference I would suggest for you to search for her first marriage record, if not already done, to see a) date of marriage and b) if her age was listed. If yes, then you would know for sure it was a mistake. It's possible the priest erred but they worked from birth records certificates. There may have been other Marias born to this couple. . On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:26 PM, bsei2...@gmail.com wrote: This is the marriage of my wife's grandparents, Amancio da Silva and Rosa da Conceição (starts on lower left and continues for a page and a half). http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911/SMG-PD-SAOSEBASTIAO-C-1900-1911_item1/P160.html On the top right, I believe it says Rosa da Conceição, also known as Rosa dos Anjos in her first marriage. Was this typical to change devotional names on subsequent marriages? Also on this record I believe it shows the bride's age as 22 (middle of right page just below the D in the watermark). I think the priest made a mistake as she was actually 32 at this time, born in October of 1872. Bill Seidler -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Margaret M Vicente -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
