Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

John,

What was the date of death on the certificate for Joseph Dyce?  The
California death index shows he died 30 May 1915, but the interment from
the cemetery record was October 18 1915.

Who was the informant?

Eric Edgar


On Sun, Aug 4, 2013 at 12:40 PM, John Machado wrote:

>
>>
> I have been away from the hunt lately but easing back into it.  Regarding
> the above topic, I have a new lead or should I say mystery.  The Mary E.
> Nichols (Possibly AKA Maria Esabella Rodrigues), maiden name Mary E.
> Roderick, arrived on or about 1868 giving birth to Mary Agnes Silva in
> Buffalo, NY.  The very next year, she gave birth to another child Joseph
> Dyce, in Oakland, CA.  By 1880, she was married to Joseph Nichols according
> to the 1880 Federal Census for Oakland, CA.  I know she remarried at least
> once due to a family photo notating "Step Father" in regards to Joseph
> Nicholas. However, I was thinking the first husband (Joseph Silva) could
> have possibly changed his name to Dyce.  Just yesterday, I received the
> death cert for the child born in CA(Joseph Dyce) and it lists Joseph DYCE,
> b. Massachusetts as the father.  The daughter born in Buffalo, NY death
> cert said her father was Joseph Silva born in the Azores.  I am so
> confused.  Either she "got around", or I am missing something.  I
> understand the death certs are only as good as the informants.  Anyway, the
> hunt continues.  Joseph Dyce the son died May 30, 1915 at the San Leandro,
> CA County Infirmary.  His occupation was a Marine Fireman.  I am not sure
> if that means he was a firefighter for the docks or Marine as in military.
>
> Another mystery find.  I found a newspaper clipping in the notice section
> that read; "Dec 19, 1901 --Joseph Silva or Dyce, son of Mary Foote (Silva)
> deed to Mary A Pereira or Perry and C F Pereira, All int N Park..."  Where
> did Foote come in?  Mary E. Roderick (Silva,Nichols) died in Nov 1,1901.
> So I assume this is transferring of the estate. In the 1900 federal census
> she is listed as Mary E. Nichols.  I can tie everything together based on
> the address.
>
> In the end, I am no further along than I was in Feb.  As always, thank
> you to this community for helping in many ways.
>
> John Machado
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[John Machado]

I know nothing of Aunt Clara.  If I knew who created the notation on the 
back of the picture I could pin down which generation.  I am also trying to 
figure out what it says at the bottom, "Mother Nichols between mom  ".  
I believe it was written by my grand mother Maureen.  IF thats the case, 
Clara would be a sister of Catherine or of her husband George Vargas.
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

John,

What do your know about " Aunt Clara" in the photo. Mary Esabella's sister ?

Eric

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> Your requested photos.
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

John,

Didn't work from the link . Says invitation expired,

Eric Edgar

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> Edgar,
>>
>> Yes, John's Tree is mine.  After reinstalling my op system and FTM my
>> tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share.
>> *Tree 
>> Link*
>>  That
>> should take you to the correct one.  I was thinking that one possible
>> explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is
>> that maybe he died shortly after registering.  If the Joseph Nichols in my
>> tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could
>> be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and
>> finally printed in 1894?  I am confident on the birth location of Mary
>> Agnes Silva based on her death record.  Further evidence is based on the
>> bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry.  It states the same
>> information.  I have not found any other documentation ie. birth
>> certificates, marriage records or census records for NY.
>>
>> John
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

Machado,

I'm guessing youre 'right on the Great register. I thought it might be his
son, but the age shown is 65. From the various sources  his name is Jose F
Nicolau. I've checked the Jose Francisco Nicolaus records from Flores and
can rule out those.

It may be Jose de Fraga Nicalau, or it he may be from Faial, where there
are a group of Nicolau also. The photos are of an earlier date than the
ones I have . They seem 1870s 1880s. Most I have are 1900 to 1910 and taken
in Northern California

or Flores. I think your best shot is to take the list of death dates to the
Oakland Main Library Newspaper room and go through the Oakland Post,
Enquirer, and Tribune Microfilms by date to get the Obits. Relatives and
places mentioned should further the search.


Eric Edgar

On Tue, Feb 19, 2013 at 5:21 PM, John Machado wrote:

> Edgar,
>>
>> Yes, John's Tree is mine.  After reinstalling my op system and FTM my
>> tree would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share.
>> *Tree 
>> Link*
>>  That
>> should take you to the correct one.  I was thinking that one possible
>> explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is
>> that maybe he died shortly after registering.  If the Joseph Nichols in my
>> tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could
>> be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and
>> finally printed in 1894?  I am confident on the birth location of Mary
>> Agnes Silva based on her death record.  Further evidence is based on the
>> bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry.  It states the same
>> information.  I have not found any other documentation ie. birth
>> certificates, marriage records or census records for NY.
>>
>> John
>>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

["E" Sharp]

John,

I am interested in the Civil War registration you note in your email.  I
have much information on my husband's Civil War ancestors but I have no
knowledge of a Civil War registration where there is a signature.  I do
have where he entered the war, etc. but I don't see a signature anywhere.
Where, how do I access these records?  I have a niece who lives in Vienna
VA and I know she would look this up for me.  To see a signature and add it
to our files would be wonderful.

Thank you.
"E"

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[John Machado]

>
> Celeste,
>  
>
> We are nearly neighbors then. I know CSUEB well, in fact I have a degree 
> from there. I will have to check out the Erickson Collection sometime. The 
> 1890 census records would have been so useful to many of us. The same 
> happened to many military records, I believe it was Texas where a fire 
> destroyed whole volumes. I was temporarily assigned to work in Washington, 
> DC last year for 4 months. I took every advantage of many records and 
> resources. There is nothing like holding a Civil War registration that an 
> ancestor had physically touched and to see their actual signature.
>
>  
>
One area that I have not explored are the naturalization records. I have 
> looked on Ancestry but haven't had much luck for anyone in my tree. 
> Sometimes it looks like its only a file card with a name and number. 
>
>  
>
I was wanting to make a suggestion that we (azore research community) 
> create a wikipage for researching. We can add useful links as they are 
> discovered or shared. Maybe there is already something like that in place.
>
>  
>
> Thanks for posting,
>
> John
>
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[John Machado]

>
> Edgar,
>  
> Yes, John's Tree is mine.  After reinstalling my op system and FTM my tree 
> would no longer sync properly so I had to reupload, link and share.  *Tree 
> Link*
>  That 
> should take you to the correct one.  I was thinking that one possible 
> explanation of Joseph Nichols showing up in the 1894 Great Registrar is 
> that maybe he died shortly after registering.  If the Joseph Nichols in my 
> tree, who died in Sept 1893 (as evidenced by the internment log) it could 
> be possible that the great registrar was produced the previous year and 
> finally printed in 1894?  I am confident on the birth location of Mary 
> Agnes Silva based on her death record.  Further evidence is based on the 
> bio I attached earlier of her husband William Perry.  It states the same 
> information.  I have not found any other documentation ie. birth 
> certificates, marriage records or census records for NY.  
>  
> John
>
 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

John,

I've already checked all the Flores records for the Jose F Nicolau and
Maria Isabel Rodrigues marriage. I've also checked New York, Massachucetts
and Rhode Island.

There are a few Ancestry.com trees with parts of this family. Is the John's
tree with them yours? It's not viewable due to technical problems, says the
error message.


They may have married on another island, like Fayal or Sao Miguel before
boarding ship. I've seen that before. The name changes take getting used
to. It's a normal thing to have six children of the same parents that have
different surnames

before 1900, it would be rare for a woman to have a surname. It would be a
religious suffix. The ship records from the 1800s show maria de Jesus, de
Conceicao. de Acsencion etc. Men often changed surnames once they arrived,

to Americanize it, or because there were already ten guys in the
neighborhood named Manuel Rodrigues, or Joseph Silva

What's very important on birth dates and places is the source. Have you
found a New york record from the time of her birth, or is it inferred from
the census records?

I've seen a number of cases of children shown as born in the US that have a
baptism record in the parents hometown. Back then who could check? It got
them citizenship.

Eric Edgar



On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 7:13 PM, John Machado wrote:

> Guess who Mary Agnes Silva (daughter of Mary E.Nichols/Silva) married?
> Guilherme Francisco Pereira aka William F. Perry.  So that fits perfectly
> with a W. Perry being at the same address. I will attach the bio of William
> Perry.  I still have a hard time wrapping my head around all the name
> changes.  Ok so my next step is to find a marriage record of Mary E.
> Roderick to Joseph Silva.  I presume it occured Cedros, Flores.
>
> So they would have married.  Then came to the USA.  Mary possibly pregnant
> during the voyage gives birth in Buffalo, New York to Mary Agnes Silva in
> 1868.  They move within the year to California, Mary gives birth to Joseph
> Silva (1869) who eventually renames to Joseph Dyce.  I presume Joseph Silva
> the father either dies or divorces Mary E. Roderick.  She at some point
> marries Joseph Nichols.  Joseph Nichols dies 15 Sep 1893.  Mary E. Nichols
> dies 04 Nov 1901.
>
> The Daughter:  Mary Agnes Silva marries William F. Perry roughly in 1887
> California.  William F. Perry is from Criacao Velha, Magdalena.  His father
> was originally from Angústias, Faial and grandmother from Lajes, Flores.
>
> I will also attach the cemetery plot record which lists everyone together.
>
> Thank you again,
> John
>
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[celeste perry]

"very important date and place of Naturalization . Since it was San Francisco 
County Court in 1876, Nov 2nd, the original may be lost in the 1906 earthquake 
and fire."
In researching Frank Enos Sousa (Francisco Inacio da Sousa) who resided in 
Oakland, CA, I was unable to obtain a naturalization record for him.  I was 
told the only naturalizations that occurred the San Francisco, CA area before 
1906 were records that the person had returned to the naturalization office 
after the earchquake.  (like a delayed recording of the record)  This looked 
like a dead end to me.

In addition to the records destroyed in the earthquake, the 1880 federal census 
had been "destroyed" and there was no records from that census for the SF bay 
area.  I heard that there were voter registration records for 1890.  The 
research I did uncovered the voter registration records for Frank Enos Sousa.  
Because there were several pages of his having registered to vote, I guess a 
person had to re-register each time he voted.  On ONE of those original sheets 
I found that Frank had written the Island of Flores in the Azores as his place 
of birth.  All the other sheets said either Azores or Portugal as his birth 
place.

The voter registration records prior to 1920 were in something called the 
"Erickson Collection."  At the time I found them and looked in the neatly filed 
binders,  in alphabetical order, they were kept at the University of California 
Hayward (Now University of California East Bay) that is just a stone's throw 
from where I live!  

I encourage you to keep digging and asking questions.  Those of you who know me 
are familiar with my asking questions until I get answers that help me with the 
research I am doing.  

Celeste 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

John ,

 The 1903 Oakland City Directory shows Mary E Nichols died 4 Nov 1901.

The 1893 shows Joseph F Nichols at 676 27th ave. Also at same address,
 Jos, and a W. Perry

Eric

On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, eric edgar  wrote:

> John,
>
> I beleive they are siblings and I am sure that the baptism records are
> them. The Joseph Nichols on the 1880 census matches the address of 676 27th
> St with the Joseph Nicolas shown on the Calif Great Register of Voters.
> This shows he was still alive in 1894, so not George Nichols, and the very
> important date and place of Naturalization . Since it was San Francisco
> County Court in 1876, Nov 2nd, the original may be lost in the 1906
> earthquake and fire.
>
> The obits  not found in the Tribune online with Ancestry are often found
> in the Oakland Post and Enquirer on microfilm at the Oakland Library
> newspaper and magazine room. Are you near Oakland? There are also many
> dates of the Tribune found there that aren't online.
>
> I have also found the marriage record for Inacio Rodrigues and Amelia
> Marcos from Massachucetts. The parents listed here match those on the
> baptism record. Amelia was from Santa Cruz , Flores. Her parents names are
> listed as Marques, and the grandparents as Margarca.
>
> The death records of their children show as Henas ( a americanization of
> Enos) or Rodrigues  and Marks .
>
> GASPAR   LOUISE   IMELDA   1883   09   27   MARKS   HENAS   FEMALE   CA
> ALAMEDA   1953   02   14  69   1291472
>
> DIAS   MARY   ISABEL   1870   01   23   MARKS   RODGUES   FEMALE   RE
> ALAMEDA   1944   08   28  74   364799
>
> HENAS   JOSEPH   ALOYSIUS   1876   01   27   MARK   HENAS   MALE   CA
> ALAMEDA   1955   04   20   550227042   79   1527403
>
>
> If you can scan the photos and post them, I d like to see if they match
> any of the photos from my great grandfathers collection I have. He was from
> Cedros also, from the Rodrigues Vieira family and related through his
> sisters to the Da Silveira.
>
>
> It's a really small town, and he was in Oakland in the 1880s, then back to
> Mass, and settled back in Oakland about 1900. He worked for the Oakland
> Wharf at one time. Both Inacio Rodrigues and Joseph Nicolas show up in the
> city directories working there also.
>
>
>
>
> Eric Edgar
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 2:05 PM, John Machado wrote:
>
>> All I can say is wow and thank you.

>>>
>> I do have two old pictures and on the back are the follwoing words.
>>
>> Picture 1:  Jose Nichols and Mary Isabel Rodrigues Pereira Silva Nichols,
>> mother and step father of Mary Agnes Silva Pereira.  (my note: Pereira
>> being the surname of Mary Agnes Pereira's husband.  Maybe Mary
>> Isabel(Esabel) father was also a Pereira?)
>>
>> Picture 2:  Great Grand Mother and Great Grandfather, Pereira /
>> Rodrigues, parents of Mary Esabella Rodrigues Silva Nichols.  Aunt Clara is
>> in the middle.
>>
>> I have attached both photo backs.
>>
>> There has to be at least 2 marriages with the words "step father" being
>> included on the photo 1.
>>
>> I found a George Nichols that matches date of death and age of death in
>> the Alameda County Death ledger.  Also, found Mary E. Nichols.  Not sure if
>> George is Jose but it is interesting.
>>
>> In regards to the 1880 Census record where Joseph Nichols and Mary E.
>> Nichols is listed next door to a I Roderick, I had to assume they were
>> related.  Do you think it is pure coincidence or would you also concluded a
>> relation.  I reviewed your research regarding I. Rodrigues/Roderick and it
>> is compelling.  I am trying to think of anything else I may have that might
>> help you.  All I have left are the death certs for the children Mary Agnes
>> Silva and Joseph Dyce.  Both have the mother as Mary Roderick and the
>> father(s) as Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce respectively.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> John
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[eric edgar]

John,

In the Cedros Flores parish records I've seen both a Dias Silveira and da
Silveira Dias families.
So , it could be the same guy

Eric Edgar

On Fri, Feb 15, 2013 at 7:17 PM, John Machado wrote:

> I have an old family photo, written on the back is "Joe Nichols and Mary
> Esabel Rodrigues Silva Nichols" and "step father and mother of Mary Agnes
> Silva Perry". Perry being her husbands surname.  So that tells me at least
> two husbands.  Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce may be one in the same,
> however.  The I. Roderick that Susan eluded to in the 1880 census I think
> is a brother to Mary E. Roderick.  I don't believe it's  shear coicendence
> but who knows.  I did a search of Oakland records before and found an Issac
> Roderick.  Thank you all for helping'
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[John Machado]

I have an old family photo, written on the back is "Joe Nichols and Mary Esabel 
Rodrigues Silva Nichols" and "step father and mother of Mary Agnes Silva 
Perry". Perry being her husbands surname.  So that tells me at least two 
husbands.  Joseph Silva and Joseph Dyce may be one in the same, however.  The 
I. Roderick that Susan eluded to in the 1880 census I think is a brother to 
Mary E. Roderick.  I don't believe it's  shear coicendence but who knows.  I 
did a search of Oakland records before and found an Issac Roderick.  Thank you 
all for helping'

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores - Island Unknown | Research Ideas

[Susan Vargas Murphy]

Good idea Doug!
Susan

On Thursday, February 14, 2013 2:54:55 AM UTC-8, Doug Holmes wrote:
>
> Hi Susan,
>
> Have you considered the chance that maybe Nichols came from Nicolau?
> It's usually a first name, of course, but you know how that can also end 
> up as a surname when someone has an ancestor with the more unusual name 
> like that.
>
> Funny about the name Mary Agnes mentioned. My grandmother was Mary Agnes. 
> It seems to have been a popular name in the late 1800s.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores -
> Island Unknown | Research Ideas
> From: Susan Vargas Murphy >
> Date: Thu, February 14, 2013 2:05 am
> To: azo...@googlegroups.com 
>
> John,
> I have been away for a month and am just catching up with reading all 
> these Azores posts...so sorry this is late. I just wanted to tell you a few 
> ideas that I had.  I looked up your family in 1880 and saw that the 
> Roderick next door had the initial of "I"...i had the idea to check the 
> UPEC membership rolls for that name.for Oakland, of which there are 
> many pages:)  Unfortunately I did not find a Roderick with that 
> initial...in fact there were only two Rodericks at all in the membership 
> rolls of the Oakland Councils.. There quite a few Rodrigues men, and I am 
> sure your Roderick is an Americanization of Rodrigueshowever, there was 
> only one with the initial of I...Ingnacio A Rodrigues, who lived in East 
> Oakand, was from Flores and his wife is the wrong name.she as Emelia L, 
> and listed as Amelia another year. Ignacio died April 29, 1913...there is a 
> 30 written above the 29...so maybe he died the 30th?  You might want to 
> follow up on that death just to make sure there is no way he is connected 
> to you. I really don't think he is, but he was from Flores.  Another 
> thought that I had is that when you say Mary married to Nichols.maybe 
> her husband, Joseph Silva changed his name to Nichols? That just occurred 
> to me because on the 1880 Census he is listed as born in Portugal and I 
> don't think he was born with the name of Nichols in Portugalhow you get 
> Nichols from Silva, I don't knowbut many of the Portuguese did strange 
> things trying to Americanize their names. I had an great uncle by marriage 
> that went from Soares to Swartzkind of missed in trying to 
> Americanize...I am sure people must have thought he was German.  With the 
> son Josephand the name Dyce.wonder if that could have been an 
> attempt to change Dias?  Most Portuguese men carried two suramesas in 
> Pereira Vargas in my family.da Rosa Maciel also my family. My one 
> grandfather was Jose Ignacio Maciel. On the first Census after he arrived 
> he is listed as Joseph Enos...he Americanized his middle name. Then later 
> Census records and what he came to always be known as was Joe 
> Maciel...finally deciding to go by that name!  Another in my family was 
> Garcia in one Census and Goularte in anotheragain, trying to decide 
> with name to go by. I am just pointing out that your Mary may not have been 
> married as many times as you think...maybe they were just trying to figure 
> out which name to use. Good luck!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:21:50 PM UTC-8, John Machado wrote:
>>
>> I have come to seek wisdom from the group.  Recently, I have hit a wall 
>> with one of my branches.  The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva 
>> (married William Perry).  She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868.  Her 
>> parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick.  I have no records of 
>> birth, only the death cert to confirm.  In 1869, I find the family in 
>> Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph.  Interestingly, Joseph’s name 
>> on the internment records is Joseph Dyce.  Also, his death cert is 
>> Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick.  So that fits.  Fast 
>> forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols 
>> and living next door to a family of Roderick’s.  I have to assume it’s 
>> her brother.  Her mother was also living with the brother I believe.  All 
>> are buried at the same cemetery.  All I believe are from the Azores.  I 
>> would like to find from where in the Azores.  I have searched Ancestry 
>> at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on.  Anyone 
>> have ideas or connections?  I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the 
>> biological father.  I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva 
>> would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital 
>> unknown.  Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901.  The 
>> death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info.  Thanks for 
>> reading…
>>  
>> John Machado
>>
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[Pam Santos]

One relative in my file changed named from Silva, to Howard, for business
reasons. So one never knows.

On Thu, Feb 14, 2013 at 2:54 AM,  wrote:

> Hi Susan,
>
> Have you considered the chance that maybe Nichols came from Nicolau?
> It's usually a first name, of course, but you know how that can also end
> up as a surname when someone has an ancestor with the more unusual name
> like that.
>
> Funny about the name Mary Agnes mentioned. My grandmother was Mary Agnes.
> It seems to have been a popular name in the late 1800s.
>
> Doug da Rocha Holmes
> Sacramento, California
> Pico & Terceira Genealogist
> 916-550-1618
> www.dholmes.com
>
>
>   Original Message 
> Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores -
> Island Unknown | Research Ideas
> From: Susan Vargas Murphy 
> Date: Thu, February 14, 2013 2:05 am
> To: azores@googlegroups.com
>
> John,
> I have been away for a month and am just catching up with reading all
> these Azores posts...so sorry this is late. I just wanted to tell you a few
> ideas that I had.  I looked up your family in 1880 and saw that the
> Roderick next door had the initial of "I"...i had the idea to check the
> UPEC membership rolls for that name.for Oakland, of which there are
> many pages:)  Unfortunately I did not find a Roderick with that
> initial...in fact there were only two Rodericks at all in the membership
> rolls of the Oakland Councils.. There quite a few Rodrigues men, and I am
> sure your Roderick is an Americanization of Rodrigueshowever, there was
> only one with the initial of I...Ingnacio A Rodrigues, who lived in East
> Oakand, was from Flores and his wife is the wrong name.she as Emelia L,
> and listed as Amelia another year. Ignacio died April 29, 1913...there is a
> 30 written above the 29...so maybe he died the 30th?  You might want to
> follow up on that death just to make sure there is no way he is connected
> to you. I really don't think he is, but he was from Flores.  Another
> thought that I had is that when you say Mary married to Nichols.maybe
> her husband, Joseph Silva changed his name to Nichols? That just occurred
> to me because on the 1880 Census he is listed as born in Portugal and I
> don't think he was born with the name of Nichols in Portugalhow you get
> Nichols from Silva, I don't knowbut many of the Portuguese did strange
> things trying to Americanize their names. I had an great uncle by marriage
> that went from Soares to Swartzkind of missed in trying to
> Americanize...I am sure people must have thought he was German.  With the
> son Josephand the name Dyce.wonder if that could have been an
> attempt to change Dias?  Most Portuguese men carried two suramesas in
> Pereira Vargas in my family.da Rosa Maciel also my family. My one
> grandfather was Jose Ignacio Maciel. On the first Census after he arrived
> he is listed as Joseph Enos...he Americanized his middle name. Then later
> Census records and what he came to always be known as was Joe
> Maciel...finally deciding to go by that name!  Another in my family was
> Garcia in one Census and Goularte in anotheragain, trying to decide
> with name to go by. I am just pointing out that your Mary may not have been
> married as many times as you think...maybe they were just trying to figure
> out which name to use. Good luck!
>
> Susan Vargas Murphy
>
> On Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:21:50 PM UTC-8, John Machado wrote:
>>
>> I have come to seek wisdom from the group.  Recently, I have hit a wall
>> with one of my branches.  The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva
>> (married William Perry).  She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868.  Her
>> parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick.  I have no records of
>> birth, only the death cert to confirm.  In 1869, I find the family in
>> Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph.  Interestingly, Joseph’s name
>> on the internment records is Joseph Dyce.  Also, his death cert is
>> Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick.  So that fits.  Fast
>> forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols
>> and living next door to a family of Roderick’s.  I have to assume it’s
>> her brother.  Her mother was also living with the brother I believe.  All
>> are buried at the same cemetery.  All I believe are from the Azores.  I
>> would like to find from where in the Azores.  I have searched Ancestry
>> at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on.  Anyone
>> have ideas or connections?  I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the
>> biological father.  I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva
>> would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital
>> unknown.  Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901.  The
>> death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info.  Thanks for
>> reading…
>>
>> John Machado
>>
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[pico]

Hi Susan,Have you considered the chance that maybe Nichols came from Nicolau?It's usually a first name, of course, but you know how that can also end up as a surname when someone has an ancestor with the more unusual name like that.Funny about the name Mary Agnes mentioned. My grandmother was Mary Agnes. It seems to have been a popular name in the late 1800s.Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico & Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com


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Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Mary Roderick & Joseph Silva | Azores -
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Date: Thu, February 14, 2013 2:05 am
To: azores@googlegroups.com

John,I have been away for a month and am just catching up with reading all these Azores posts...so sorry this is late. I just wanted to tell you a few ideas that I had.  I looked up your family in 1880 and saw that the Roderick next door had the initial of "I"...i had the idea to check the UPEC membership rolls for that name.for Oakland, of which there are many pages:)  Unfortunately I did not find a Roderick with that initial...in fact there were only two Rodericks at all in the membership rolls of the Oakland Councils.. There quite a few Rodrigues men, and I am sure your Roderick is an Americanization of Rodrigueshowever, there was only one with the initial of I...Ingnacio A Rodrigues, who lived in East Oakand, was from Flores and his wife is the wrong name.she as Emelia L, and listed as Amelia another year. Ignacio died April 29, 1913...there is a 30 written above the 29...so maybe he died the 30th?  You might want to follow up on that death just to make sure there is no way he is connected to you. I really don't think he is, but he was from Flores.  Another thought that I had is that when you say Mary married to Nichols.maybe her husband, Joseph Silva changed his name to Nichols? That just occurred to me because on the 1880 Census he is listed as born in Portugal and I don't think he was born with the name of Nichols in Portugalhow you get Nichols from Silva, I don't knowbut many of the Portuguese did strange things trying to Americanize their names. I had an great uncle by marriage that went from Soares to Swartzkind of missed in trying to Americanize...I am sure people must have thought he was German.  With the son Josephand the name Dyce.wonder if that could have been an attempt to change Dias?  Most Portuguese men carried two suramesas in Pereira Vargas in my family.da Rosa Maciel also my family. My one grandfather was Jose Ignacio Maciel. On the first Census after he arrived he is listed as Joseph Enos...he Americanized his middle name. Then later Census records and what he came to always be known as was Joe Maciel...finally deciding to go by that name!  Another in my family was Garcia in one Census and Goularte in anotheragain, trying to decide with name to go by. I am just pointing out that your Mary may not have been married as many times as you think...maybe they were just trying to figure out which name to use. Good luck!Susan Vargas MurphyOn Sunday, February 10, 2013 2:21:50 PM UTC-8, John Machado wrote: I have come to seek wisdom from the group.  Recently, I have hit a wall with one of my branches.  The ancestor nearest me is Mary Agnes Silva (married William Perry).  She was born in Buffalo, NY Jan 24, 1868.  Her parents were Joseph Silva and Mary Roderick.  I have no records of birth, only the death cert to confirm.  In 1869, I find the family in Oakland, CA, with a new son named Joseph.  Interestingly, Joseph’s name on the internment records is Joseph Dyce.  Also, his death cert is Joseph Dyce with mothers maiden name as Mary Roderick.  So that fits.  Fast forward to the 1880 Oakland, CA census she is now married to Joseph Nichols and living next door to a family of Roderick’s.  I have to assume it’s her brother.  Her mother was also living with the brother I believe.  All are buried at the same cemetery.  All I believe are from the Azores.  I would like to find from where in the Azores.  I have searched Ancestry at nausea, Google, news archives, library of congress and so on.  Anyone have ideas or connections?  I can’t find any info on Joseph Silva the biological father.  I assume only the birth record of Mary Agnes Silva would include that info, but she was born in 1868 Buffalo, NY, hospital unknown.  Mary Roderick (Silva, Dyce, Nichols) died in Oakland in 1901.  The death was only recorded on ledger and gives simple info.  Thanks for reading… John Machado   --      





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