Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-29 Thread Shirley Allegre
Did Manuel X Catarina have a daughter by the name of Isabel Vieira Galvao that 
married Antonio Brandao da Teve on 25 August 1627 in Fenais de Ajuda, Sao 
Miguel island?

Shirley in CA
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  From: Joe Matias 
  To: azores 
  Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 2:06 PM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels


  Hi Shirley,my manuel viera galvao was married to catarina anes i believe she 
might be his third wife.



  On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Shirley Allegre  
wrote:

Was your Manuel Vieira Galvao married to Catharina Nunes?
Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Matias 
  To: azores 
  Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels


  Hi Nancy,I'm also a  descendant of Eva Lopes and Alvaro
  Lopes,their son Manuel Vieira Galvão.



  On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:

Hi, Manoel,

I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.

Nancy



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
> Hi Nancy,
>
> I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his 
grandson
> Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>
> I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da 
Rocha
> and Isabel Pires.
>
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC 
escreveu:
>>
>> Hi, Eliseu.
>>
>> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have 
had
>> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>>
>> Do these names ring any bells?
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy!
>> >
>> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >
>> > Eliseu
>> >
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-29 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Hi Nancy!
What you sent me is in every book of genealogy :) The descendancy I have
from him takes about 150 paper sheets... I would like to have knowledge of
"real" people :) if you follow me!

Anyway, I will give you access to my tree. You just have to accept the
invitation. I have about 14000 persons  related to me. My main area is the
northern part of the island of S. Miguel, the island of Graciosa and
Alentejo in the mainland. Porto Formoso is my most direct concern for now. I
have done all the marriages (which I am step by step adding to the site) and
I am doing the batismos for now. I have finished putting online the
nascimentos and batismos on the first book of baptismos (1692-1791).

Most of the Pimentels in S. Miguel Island, are descendants of the Count of
Benavente. I am searching their ancestry too. I have added some of the
descendants to my tree...  

Happy New Year



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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-28 Thread Nancy Couto
Hi, Joe,

I have him simply as Manuel Vieira in my tree, but he's definitely a Galvao.  
So you are also descended from Duarte Galvao.  He's one of my favorite 
ancestors.

Nancy



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> On Dec 28, 2013, at 4:39 AM, Joe Matias  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy,I'm also a  descendant of Eva Lopes and Alvaro
> Lopes,their son Manuel Vieira Galvão.
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
>> Hi, Manoel,
>> 
>> I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
>> descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
>> Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.
>> 
>> Nancy
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy,
>> >
>> > I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
>> > Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>> >
>> > I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha
>> > and Isabel Pires.
>> >
>> >
>> > Manoel Cesar Furtado
>> >
>> > Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, Eliseu.
>> >>
>> >> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> >> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> >> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> >> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
>> >> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> >> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> >> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> >> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>> >>
>> >> Do these names ring any bells?
>> >>
>> >> Nancy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Hi Nancy!
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >> >
>> >> > Eliseu
>> >> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-28 Thread Cheri Mello
Shirley A and Joe M,

You guys do realize that this thread is discussing Pimentels from Sao
Miguel, right?  You might want to start your own thread called Viera
Galvao.  Anyone searching the archive for Viera Galvao will not bother to
look at a thread titled Pimentels.  And you'd be missing out on a chance to
connect with another cousin! :(

Cheri Mello
Listowner, Azores-Gen
Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas,
Achada

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-28 Thread Joe Matias
Hi Shirley,my manuel viera galvao was married to catarina anes i believe
she might be his third wife.


On Sat, Dec 28, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Shirley Allegre
wrote:

>  Was your Manuel Vieira Galvao married to Catharina Nunes?
> Shirley in CA
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Joe Matias 
> *To:* azores 
> *Sent:* Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels
>
> Hi Nancy,I'm also a  descendant of Eva Lopes and Alvaro
> Lopes,their son Manuel Vieira Galvão.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:
>
>> Hi, Manoel,
>>
>> I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
>> descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
>> Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy,
>> >
>> > I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
>> > Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>> >
>> > I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da
>> Rocha
>> > and Isabel Pires.
>> >
>> >
>> > Manoel Cesar Furtado
>> >
>> > Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC
>> escreveu:
>> >>
>> >> Hi, Eliseu.
>> >>
>> >> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> >> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> >> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> >> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
>> >> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> >> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> >> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> >> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>> >>
>> >> Do these names ring any bells?
>> >>
>> >> Nancy
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>> >>  wrote:
>> >> > Hi Nancy!
>> >> >
>> >> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >> >
>> >> > Eliseu
>> >> >
>> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-28 Thread Shirley Allegre
Was your Manuel Vieira Galvao married to Catharina Nunes?
Shirley in CA
  - Original Message - 
  From: Joe Matias 
  To: azores 
  Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 1:39 AM
  Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels


  Hi Nancy,I'm also a  descendant of Eva Lopes and Alvaro
  Lopes,their son Manuel Vieira Galvão.



  On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:

Hi, Manoel,

I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.

Nancy



On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
> Hi Nancy,
>
> I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
> Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>
> I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha
> and Isabel Pires.
>
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC 
escreveu:
>>
>> Hi, Eliseu.
>>
>> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
>> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>>
>> Do these names ring any bells?
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy!
>> >
>> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >
>> > Eliseu
>> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-28 Thread Joe Matias
Hi Nancy,I'm also a  descendant of Eva Lopes and Alvaro
Lopes,their son Manuel Vieira Galvão.


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 4:08 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:

> Hi, Manoel,
>
> I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
> descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
> Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.
>
> Nancy
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
> > Hi Nancy,
> >
> > I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
> > Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
> >
> > I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha
> > and Isabel Pires.
> >
> >
> > Manoel Cesar Furtado
> >
> > Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC
> escreveu:
> >>
> >> Hi, Eliseu.
> >>
> >> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
> >> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
> >> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
> >> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
> >> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
> >> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
> >> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
> >> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
> >>
> >> Do these names ring any bells?
> >>
> >> Nancy
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
> >>  wrote:
> >> > Hi Nancy!
> >> >
> >> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
> >> >
> >> > Eliseu
> >> >
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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-27 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Hy Nancy!

Pedro Esteves is my 18th great grand father from whom I descend in direct
line at least 2 times.
Are'nt we all cousins?! ;)

Merry Christmas and a happy New Year

eliseu

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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-27 Thread Nancy Couto
Hi, Andy,

Yes, we are definitely cousins.  Our common ancestor appears to be Jose de 
Frias Bode, although I am descended from his son Francisco from his second 
marriage to Barbara da Purificacao.  I will be traveling for the next couple of 
days and won't have access to the records on my computer, but I'll send more 
information when I return.

I already knew the various possible meanings of Bode.  The name does seem to be 
confined to a short time period.  My great-grandfather Manoel de Frias and his 
family were known as Malassada.  

I kniw you have at least one other cousin in this group.   If my memory is 
correct, Hermano Pires is also descended from Jose de Frias Bode.  

Best wishes from your prima,
Nancy



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> On Dec 26, 2013, at 5:55 PM, Andrew Rapoza  wrote:
> 
> Hi Nancy - Well, it looks like we are indeed cousins! I am attaching my 
> Rosario Lagoa Pimentel line, which is clearly the same as yours. I have 
> always suspected that the "Bodé" of Frias Bodé was a short-lived nickname 
> assigned to (or taken on by) some members of the family for a generation or 
> two. 
> 
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-26 Thread Andrew Rapoza
Hi Nancy - Well, it looks like we are indeed cousins! I am attaching my
Rosario Lagoa Pimentel line, which is clearly the same as yours. I have
always suspected that the "Bodé" of Frias Bodé was a short-lived nickname
assigned to (or taken on by) some members of the family for a generation or
two.

Here are my research notes on Bodé: The application of the name "Bodé" to
Antonio and his father José change in the records without any clear
pattern. That name does not show up in José's christening or marriage
record, or in the christening records of his children. However, in the
christening records of Antonio's children, Antonio and his father are
listed as follows:

*Christening - Father's Name - Grandfather's Name*
1847 (Maria) - *need to recheck (it has been years)*
1849 (Margarida) - *need to recheck*
1851 (Jacintha) - *need to recheck*
1854 (Roza) - Antonio de Frias - (paterno not listed)
1857 (Manoel) - Antonio de Frias - (paterno not listed)
1862 (Jose) - Antonio de Costa Bodé - José de Frias
1865 (Francisco) - Antonio de Frias Bodé - Jose de Frias Bodé
1867 (Roza) - Antonio de Ferias - Jose de Ferias
1870 (Joao) - Antonio da Costa Frias - José de Frias Bodé
1873 (Luiz) - Antonio de Frias Bodé - Jose de Frias Bodé

The appellation "Bodé" seems to have been applied occasionally and
inconsistently to Antonio and to his father Jose, suggesting that its use
was more colloquial than formal.

Bodé has several meanings: billy-goat, half-breed, mulatto, ugly man, or
Protestant. At this point, it's impossible to guess which of these meanings
was being applied to Antonio and José Costa Frias Bodé. The significance
and application of this nickname seems to have faded away with the passing
of these two generations.

The last few notes are for my 3rd great grandfather, Antonio Costa Frias
Bodé, fyi. I interviewed a family member 40 years ago who still remembered
him: His occupation: arrieiro (muleteer, driver of pack animals) He drove
his donkey cart into the city full of fruit for sale; he also was a
farmhand for others. His grandaughter, Maria de Jesus Costa, remembered her
grandfather's humble daily routine of coming home at the end of the day,
washing his feet, saying his prayers, and going to bed. He was short and
had blue eyes, a round face, and red hair.

Hope this isn't TMI!! --Primo Andy


On Wed, Dec 25, 2013 at 4:01 PM, Nancy Couto  wrote:

> Andrew, I have Pimentels from Rosario, Lagoa.  See attached.
>
> For what it's worth, I was born in New Bedford and grew up in Dartmouth,
> MA.
> Let me know if you want to compare notes.
>
> Nancy
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-26 Thread Nancy Couto
Hi, Manoel,

I guess that makes Mecia Afonso (the mother) our common ancestor.  I
descend from Eva Lopes, daughter of Mecia (the daughter) and Alvaro
Lopes.  It's good to find a new cousin.

Nancy


On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM, mances  wrote:
> Hi Nancy,
>
> I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson
> Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.
>
> I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha
> and Isabel Pires.
>
>
> Manoel Cesar Furtado
>
> Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC escreveu:
>>
>> Hi, Eliseu.
>>
>> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e
>> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes
>> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head
>> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had
>> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he
>> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua
>> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors
>> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away.
>>
>> Do these names ring any bells?
>>
>> Nancy
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
>>  wrote:
>> > Hi Nancy!
>> >
>> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?
>> >
>> > Eliseu
>> >
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Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-26 Thread mances
Hi Nancy,

I also descend from Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado through his grandson 
Pedro Afonso da Rocha m. to Margarida Afonso.

I descend from two children of Pedro and Margarida: Duarte Pires da Rocha 
and Isabel Pires.


Manoel Cesar Furtado

Em quinta-feira, 26 de dezembro de 2013 15h41min17s UTC-2, NancyC escreveu:
>
> Hi, Eliseu. 
>
> I'm attaching a report on the descendants of Pedro Esteves Rocha e 
> Machado, my infamous 17th great-grandfather.  His name is sometimes 
> written as Pedro Esteves da Rocha Machado.  He appears to be the head 
> of the Villa Franca do Campo branch of my ancestors.  He must have had 
> connections in high places, because when he arrived on Sao Miguel he 
> was given fertile land between two volcanoes on the beach at Agua 
> d'Alto.  He was an ancestor on my Pereira line.  My Frias ancestors 
> were mostly from Rosario, Lagoa, which is not far away. 
>
> Do these names ring any bells? 
>
> Nancy 
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 10:45 AM, Eliseu Pacheco da Silva 
> > wrote: 
> > Hi Nancy! 
> > 
> > Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo? 
> > 
> > Eliseu 
> > 
>

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RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Re: Pimentels

2013-12-26 Thread Eliseu Pacheco da Silva
Hi Nancy!

Do you have any FRIAS from Água d'Alto, Vila Franca do Campo?

Eliseu


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