Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Thank you JR, many of those names I have seen when looking for more connections with Balthazar Gomes + Izabel da Fonte. I found a death certificate that seems to be this Balthazar (1712) and it says, for the first time in my direct line ancestors, he is from Matriz (Vila do Porto) and that, if its really him, gives me another chance. In the Carlos Machado notes, that Hermano pointed, it looks that even Carlos Machado had difficulty do connect that Baltazar and Izabel to the rest of the notes. Although a bit confused, there are a few names I have found some kind of connection with Balthazar, marriages and births being Balthazar and Izabel the parents. But with out the marriage I can't be sure of nothing because there are many similar names. I have no choice but to keep digging! Who in this list has da Fonte from Santa Maria and if this da Fonte has converted to de Fontes could tell me something about it! Thanks to all On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 9:26 PM, JR jmro...@gmail.com wrote: I am going to send you a few from Ponta Garca that I traced to Vila Franca with very similar names, Gomes, Baltazar, Fontes and Melo, all from, or with links to Santa Maria about the same time period. You never know, it might help and I think they are related, although it may not be immediately. BARTOLOMEU DE1 FONTES was born in NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria, res Vila Franca, and died Bef. 13 Dec 1711. He married MARIA DE MATOS. She was born in Vila Franca de Campo- Matriz, and died Bef. 13 Dec 1711. Children of BARTOLOMEU FONTES and MARIA MATOS are: 2.i.BELCHIOR2 GOMES, b. NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria. BELCHIOR GOMES* (B**ARTOLOMEU* *DE*1* F**ONTES**)* was born in NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria. He married MARIA DE MATOS 21 Jul 1715 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz, daughter of TOME COSTA and FRANCISCA MATOS. She was born in Vila Franca de Campo- Matriz. (This record states Maria de Mattos (th mother) cc Bartolomeu Fontes is native VFSM) 3. ii.BALTAZAR GOMES DE MELO, b. Abt. 1676, NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria, res Vila Franca PG; d. 10 Nov 1754, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. BALTAZAR GOMES DE MELO* (B**ARTOLOMEU* *DE*1* F**ONTES**)* was born Abt. 1676 in NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria, res Vila Franca PG, and died 10 Nov 1754 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. He married ANTONIA DE MATOS 13 Dec 1711 in Vila Franca do Campo- Sao Miguel, daughter of FRANCISCO COSTAand A NTONIA MATOS. She was born in Vila Franca de Campo- Matriz, and died Bef. 10 Nov 1754. JR -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Thank you all, Doug, that is my plan, that takes time! I was just jumping from generation into generation, backwards, just to see where I could go in the backbone of the tree, sem olhar para os galhos but I know I have a lot of work! Some of the branches I caught along the way were pure luck ;-) Thank you Nancy, I will eventually some day, dig the hole Island I am aware of that, we might cross in to Cabral one day, I have it from both Paternal and Maternal side. Cheri, I can see that now for my unhappiness, and yes I already know that I will have to read some of those books. I also read that Velho Arruda wrote a good one, being from Santa Maria, maybe he got those books in better conditions, I don't know. I am curious when did these books deteriorated, I can tell you one thing, humidity in these Islands can be a killer for just about anything you can think of, specially electronics! Thank you Manoel, I will consider that in the future to see if I connect there! Obrigado Hermano, é curioso esse material andava no CCA e eu nao sabia! Muito Bom!! It seams that he got the same doubts I have, I know I wont find proof considering the deterioration of he books, but I still have hope in the birth records to get more info as they go back a little bit more than the marriages! Obrigado a todos! On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Hermano C. Pires lagoe...@hotmail.comwrote: Ricardo I haven't followed this thread closely, however I wonder if the image in the attached link, confusing as it is, might be of help. Hermano http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P77.html -- From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 08:41:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) To: azores@googlegroups.com Ricardo, Sometimes the early book was lost. Or it was in such bad shape that they could not film or digitize it. It's literally falling apart. I don't know if Rodrigo Rodrigues or Frutoso did much with the Santa Maria records. That could be one option. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Ricardo, I know Canto did his work in the latter 1800s. And Rodrigo Rodrigues did corrections and amendments in the early 1900s. Take the Achada marriage index, for example. Canto created it sometime in the late 1800s. The early Achada records are really bad - near the level of the Santa Maria records. Canto wrote a lot of . where he couldn't read or wrote partial names (M_). Rodrigues wrote on the front of Achada's index that he when through and corrected and amended Canto's work and then Rodrigues wrote the date 1929. So I have a time line for when the books were deteriorating. And I can see 2 genealogists just struggle with it too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Thanks Cheri, I believe this is the end for me, he is the only first name Balthazar 20 to 25 years back of his son born in 1707, I saw the hole period and there a lot we can't read at all! Bottom Right, 5th record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P26.html I'm off to Death Records to see if I find him there and see at least who he married with. Cheers On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Cheri Mello gfsche...@gmail.com wrote: Ricardo, I know Canto did his work in the latter 1800s. And Rodrigo Rodrigues did corrections and amendments in the early 1900s. Take the Achada marriage index, for example. Canto created it sometime in the late 1800s. The early Achada records are really bad - near the level of the Santa Maria records. Canto wrote a lot of . where he couldn't read or wrote partial names (M_). Rodrigues wrote on the front of Achada's index that he when through and corrected and amended Canto's work and then Rodrigues wrote the date 1929. So I have a time line for when the books were deteriorating. And I can see 2 genealogists just struggle with it too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
I am going to send you a few from Ponta Garca that I traced to Vila Franca with very similar names, Gomes, Baltazar, Fontes and Melo, all from, or with links to Santa Maria about the same time period. You never know, it might help and I think they are related, although it may not be immediately. BARTOLOMEU DE1 FONTES was born in NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria, res Vila Franca, and died Bef. 13 Dec 1711. He married MARIA DE MATOS. She was born in Vila Franca de Campo- Matriz, and died Bef. 13 Dec 1711. Children of BARTOLOMEU FONTES and MARIA MATOS are: 2.i.BELCHIOR2 GOMES, b. NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria. BELCHIOR GOMES* (B**ARTOLOMEU* *DE*1* F**ONTES**)* was born in NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria. He married MARIA DE MATOS 21 Jul 1715 in Vila Franca do Campo- Matriz, daughter of TOME COSTA and FRANCISCA MATOS. She was born in Vila Franca de Campo- Matriz. (This record states Maria de Mattos (th mother) cc Bartolomeu Fontes is native VFSM) 3. ii.BALTAZAR GOMES DE MELO, b. Abt. 1676, NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria, res Vila Franca PG; d. 10 Nov 1754, Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. BALTAZAR GOMES DE MELO* (B**ARTOLOMEU* *DE*1* F**ONTES**)* was born Abt. 1676 in NS Assumpciao- Ilha de St Maria, res Vila Franca PG, and died 10 Nov 1754 in Ponta Garca- NS da Piedade. He married ANTONIA DE MATOS 13 Dec 1711 in Vila Franca do Campo- Sao Miguel, daughter of FRANCISCO COSTA and A NTONIA MATOS. She was born in Vila Franca de Campo- Matriz, and died Bef. 10 Nov 1754. JR On Saturday, April 5, 2014 4:08:55 PM UTC-4, rchaves wrote: Thanks Cheri, I believe this is the end for me, he is the only first name Balthazar 20 to 25 years back of his son born in 1707, I saw the hole period and there a lot we can't read at all! Bottom Right, 5th record. http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-B-1671-1699_item1/P26.html I'm off to Death Records to see if I find him there and see at least who he married with. Cheers On Sat, Apr 5, 2014 at 3:23 PM, Cheri Mello gfsc...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Ricardo, I know Canto did his work in the latter 1800s. And Rodrigo Rodrigues did corrections and amendments in the early 1900s. Take the Achada marriage index, for example. Canto created it sometime in the late 1800s. The early Achada records are really bad - near the level of the Santa Maria records. Canto wrote a lot of . where he couldn't read or wrote partial names (M_). Rodrigues wrote on the front of Achada's index that he when through and corrected and amended Canto's work and then Rodrigues wrote the date 1929. So I have a time line for when the books were deteriorating. And I can see 2 genealogists just struggle with it too. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+un...@googlegroups.com javascript:. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Hi Richard, I have a Baltazar Velho de Andrade born in Vila do Porto who married for the second time Catarina Velho Melo. I have only the date of his 1st marriage to Maria Andrade de Alpoim who he had no children with. Nov. 1657. Perhaps these people are connected to yours since all the names are so similar. Baltazar was the son of Sebastiao de Fonte Velho and Maria Velho Melo. Regards, Nancy Jean Santa Maria for: Cabral, Andrade, Moreira Leite, Melo and others Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:10:18 + Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) From: chave...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello group, I believe i am at the end of the rope for my biggest sadness, and suspecting that the marriage of Baltazar (Balthazar) Gomes and Mariana (Marianna) Melo (Mello) somewhere between 1725-1740, is gone! In the beginning of the CCA BOOKS 1731 there are five pages missing, other I just cant read, impossible, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P3.html not to mention that the hole period of marriages 1708-1751 are (were) really in bad shape. In the periods I have been searching I found few Balthazar Gomes, not many, I know mine was born in 1707, I got his birth record, but I am starting to believe that these are all from the same prole, but I might be wrong. There is a Balthazar Gomes Moura, a Balthazar Gomes Velho and a couple more I cant remember. I found in one of my Balthazar Gomes's grandson's birth record that the vicar wrote down his name as Balthazar Gomes Freitas, but having 3 of his son's birth records, death record and birth record only as Gomes an not Gomes Freitas, is confusing me quite a bit. The father of my Balthazar is also Balthazar Gomes and mother Izabel da Fonte. I will dig into the birth records, backwards, to see If I'm lucky. I found from a search on the web there is a lady that has some of these Gomes in her Genealogy, it s blog, I can't remember the site I believe she has a link there to this group so I wonder if she is here. I notice she got marriages prior to 1708, for some of these Gomes, how? I am reaching the stage where probably many of you with much more experience have been as well, what next? I wonder why Santo Espirito Marriages ends in 1708 and Birth records go up to 1671? or Vila to 1630? Thank you all -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Hello Nancy, thank you for your input, where was that marriage of 1657? Santo Espirito or Vila? I am focused on the straight line for now just to see where I can go but I also have Mello, Carvalho and of Course Chaves that I found out it came from a marriage of my 5th Grandfater, and a few others that I will dig with time! On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:26 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, I have a Baltazar Velho de Andrade born in Vila do Porto who married for the second time Catarina Velho Melo. I have only the date of his 1st marriage to Maria Andrade de Alpoim who he had no children with. Nov. 1657. Perhaps these people are connected to yours since all the names are so similar. Baltazar was the son of Sebastiao de Fonte Velho and Maria Velho Melo. Regards, Nancy Jean Santa Maria for: Cabral, Andrade, Moreira Leite, Melo and others -- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:10:18 + Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) From: chave...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello group, I believe i am at the end of the rope for my biggest sadness, and suspecting that the marriage of Baltazar (Balthazar) Gomes and Mariana (Marianna) Melo (Mello) somewhere between 1725-1740, is gone! In the beginning of the CCA BOOKS 1731 there are five pages missing, other I just cant read, impossible, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P3.html not to mention that the hole period of marriages 1708-1751 are (were) really in bad shape. In the periods I have been searching I found few Balthazar Gomes, not many, I know mine was born in 1707, I got his birth record, but I am starting to believe that these are all from the same prole, but I might be wrong. There is a Balthazar Gomes Moura, a Balthazar Gomes Velho and a couple more I cant remember. I found in one of my Balthazar Gomes's grandson's birth record that the vicar wrote down his name as Balthazar Gomes Freitas, but having 3 of his son's birth records, death record and birth record only as Gomes an not Gomes Freitas, is confusing me quite a bit. The father of my Balthazar is also Balthazar Gomes and mother Izabel da Fonte. I will dig into the birth records, backwards, to see If I'm lucky. I found from a search on the web there is a lady that has some of these Gomes in her Genealogy, it s blog, I can't remember the site I believe she has a link there to this group so I wonder if she is here. I notice she got marriages prior to 1708, for some of these Gomes, how? I am reaching the stage where probably many of you with much more experience have been as well, what next? I wonder why Santo Espirito Marriages ends in 1708 and Birth records go up to 1671? or Vila to 1630? Thank you all -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Yea, Ricardo.It happens to all of us 100% of the time, eventually.Just think how disappointing it would be if any of your ancestors came from Bandeiras, Pico where the records START in 1850. There are some villages on Flores where it's just a little before that.But have you already found all the baptisms of this oldest generation? Because as you know, those padrinhos are talking to you and giving you clues.And then, have you been paying attention to all the mentions of consanguinidade or afinidade?You might be lucky to find that one or more descendants on that line were married in some later century and can figure out the next older generation. This was the topic of my most recent article published in O Progresso, the newsletter of the Portuguese Historical and Cultural Society of Sacramento.Of course, you might be at the end of the line. But then don't forget to scour all the baptisms, marriages and deaths for that period in search of more clues. Look for witnesses, mentions of relations in the obitos, and again for padrinhos for other couples. You are bound to find them mentioned more and will find some exciting clues.Boa sorte,Doug da Rocha HolmesSacramento, CaliforniaPico Terceira Genealogist916-550-1618www.dholmes.com Original Message Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) From: Ricardo Chaves chave...@gmail.com Date: Fri, April 04, 2014 3:10 am To: Azores Geneolagy azores@googlegroups.com Hello group, I believe i am at the end of the rope for my biggest sadness, and suspecting that the marriage of Baltazar (Balthazar) Gomes and Mariana (Marianna) Melo (Mello) somewhere between 1725-1740, is gone! In the beginning of the CCA BOOKS 1731 there are five pages missing, other I just cant read, impossible, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P3.html not to mention that the hole period of marriages 1708-1751 are (were) really in bad shape. In the periods I have been searching I found few "Balthazar" Gomes, not many, I know mine was born in 1707, I got his birth record, but I am starting to believe that these are all from the same "prole", but I might be wrong. There is a Balthazar Gomes Moura, a Balthazar Gomes Velho and a couple more I cant remember. I found in one of my Balthazar Gomes's grandson's birth record that the vicar wrote down his name as Balthazar Gomes Freitas, but having 3 of his son's birth records, death record and birth record only as Gomes an not Gomes Freitas, is confusing me quite a bit. The father of my Balthazar is also Balthazar Gomes and mother Izabel da Fonte. I will dig into the birth records, backwards, to see If I'm lucky. I found from a search on the web there is a lady that has some of these Gomes in her Genealogy, it s blog, I can't remember the site I believe she has a link there to this group so I wonder if she is here. I notice she got marriages prior to 1708, for some of these Gomes, how? I am reaching the stage where probably many of you with much more experience have been as well, what next? I wonder why Santo Espirito Marriages ends in 1708 and Birth records go up to 1671? or Vila to 1630? Thank you all-- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
The marriage took place in Matriz, Vila do Porto. This is information that George Pacheco researched for me several years ago on my great grandmother, Catarina Moreira Cabral. Enjoy the hunt...I'm so happy to be able to search Santa Maria. Nancy Jean Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 14:54:55 + Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) From: chave...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello Nancy, thank you for your input, where was that marriage of 1657? Santo Espirito or Vila? I am focused on the straight line for now just to see where I can go but I also have Mello, Carvalho and of Course Chaves that I found out it came from a marriage of my 5th Grandfater, and a few others that I will dig with time! On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 2:26 PM, nancy jean baptiste fishsongf...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Richard, I have a Baltazar Velho de Andrade born in Vila do Porto who married for the second time Catarina Velho Melo. I have only the date of his 1st marriage to Maria Andrade de Alpoim who he had no children with. Nov. 1657. Perhaps these people are connected to yours since all the names are so similar. Baltazar was the son of Sebastiao de Fonte Velho and Maria Velho Melo. Regards, Nancy Jean Santa Maria for: Cabral, Andrade, Moreira Leite, Melo and others Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 10:10:18 + Subject: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) From: chave...@gmail.com To: azores@googlegroups.com Hello group, I believe i am at the end of the rope for my biggest sadness, and suspecting that the marriage of Baltazar (Balthazar) Gomes and Mariana (Marianna) Melo (Mello) somewhere between 1725-1740, is gone! In the beginning of the CCA BOOKS 1731 there are five pages missing, other I just cant read, impossible, http://culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751/SMA-VP-SANTOESPIRITO-C-1731-1751_item1/P3.html not to mention that the hole period of marriages 1708-1751 are (were) really in bad shape. In the periods I have been searching I found few Balthazar Gomes, not many, I know mine was born in 1707, I got his birth record, but I am starting to believe that these are all from the same prole, but I might be wrong. There is a Balthazar Gomes Moura, a Balthazar Gomes Velho and a couple more I cant remember. I found in one of my Balthazar Gomes's grandson's birth record that the vicar wrote down his name as Balthazar Gomes Freitas, but having 3 of his son's birth records, death record and birth record only as Gomes an not Gomes Freitas, is confusing me quite a bit. The father of my Balthazar is also Balthazar Gomes and mother Izabel da Fonte. I will dig into the birth records, backwards, to see If I'm lucky. I found from a search on the web there is a lady that has some of these Gomes in her Genealogy, it s blog, I can't remember the site I believe she has a link there to this group so I wonder if she is here. I notice she got marriages prior to 1708, for some of these Gomes, how? I am reaching the stage where probably many of you with much more experience have been as well, what next? I wonder why Santo Espirito Marriages ends in 1708 and Birth records go up to 1671? or Vila to 1630? Thank you all -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- Ricardo Chaves -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop
Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Ricardo, Sometimes the early book was lost. Or it was in such bad shape that they could not film or digitize it. It's literally falling apart. I don't know if Rodrigo Rodrigues or Frutoso did much with the Santa Maria records. That could be one option. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751)
Ricardo I haven't followed this thread closely, however I wonder if the image in the attached link, confusing as it is, might be of help. Hermano http://www.culturacores.azores.gov.pt/biblioteca_digital/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO/GENEALOGIAS-CARLOSMACHADO_item1/P77.html From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2014 08:41:06 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] Santo Espirito - Marriages (1708-1751) To: azores@googlegroups.com Ricardo, Sometimes the early book was lost. Or it was in such bad shape that they could not film or digitize it. It's literally falling apart. I don't know if Rodrigo Rodrigues or Frutoso did much with the Santa Maria records. That could be one option. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores. -- For options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says Join this group and it will take you to Edit my membership. --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Azores Genealogy group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/azores.
