Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Rosemarie, My grandmother did not say anything about going to New York. I have the List or Manifest of Alien passenger etc. There are 13 people listed on the page. 10 came from Terceira and 3 came Sao Jorge. 6 people had their immigration verified, normally they applied for citzenship. The list states S.S. Madonna left Angra on July 25, 1911. Jack On 3/20/2011 6:46 PM, rcap...@redshift.com wrote: Jack They must have been on the same ship! The Madonna landed in New York City on the 4th of Aug. and then went on to Prov. RI. May Aunt Jessie said that they were held in the harbor in RI for 3 days because someone was ill and they quarantined the ship. Did you Mom ever say anything about that?? Rosemarie Rosemarie, My mother arrived on July 31, 1911. Jack -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Thank you everyone and also Debbie for this information In a message dated 3/23/2011 11:03:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, wolgemut...@msn.com writes: Bob, I grew up in Merced, CA and my great grandparents immigrated from the Azores. I was fortunate to have known them and they lived into my high school years. Francisco Jorge arrived in Boston, MA and traveled by train to Merced, CA in the late 1800's. Leopoldina Freitas arrived through NYC (Ellis Island) twenty years later as Francisco sent for her. He traveled with her and a traveling companion by train from NYC to Merced, CA. Merced has railroad passenger service through the Santa Fe Railroad. The route stops in Bakersfield to the south and does not continue to Los Angeles. The route does continue north to Martinez, CA and connects with railroads that went through major midwest cities (Chicago) and eventually to the East. Our relatives took this northern route Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:23:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took To: azores@googlegroups.com Bob, By point A to point B you are asking how he got from Providence, RI to Merced, CA? Probably train. I don't think train (choo choo train) manifests exist. And the migration was within the country, not people from outside the country. The government keeps track of the outsiders from other countries. I know of a few Mormon wagon trail lists that exist, but 1920 was probably too late for the wagon. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
RE: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took
Bob, I grew up in Merced, CA and my great grandparents immigrated from the Azores. I was fortunate to have known them and they lived into my high school years. Francisco Jorge arrived in Boston, MA and traveled by train to Merced, CA in the late 1800's. Leopoldina Freitas arrived through NYC (Ellis Island) twenty years later as Francisco sent for her. He traveled with her and a traveling companion by train from NYC to Merced, CA. Merced has railroad passenger service through the Santa Fe Railroad. The route stops in Bakersfield to the south and does not continue to Los Angeles. The route does continue north to Martinez, CA and connects with railroads that went through major midwest cities (Chicago) and eventually to the East. Our relatives took this northern route Debbie Wolgemuth Researching Azoreans: Jorge (Flores), Freitas (Flores), Enos (San Miguel), Silveira Matos (Faial), Rodrigues (unknown) Immigrated to: Merced, CA From: gfsche...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 10:23:38 -0700 Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took To: azores@googlegroups.com Bob, By point A to point B you are asking how he got from Providence, RI to Merced, CA? Probably train. I don't think train (choo choo train) manifests exist. And the migration was within the country, not people from outside the country. The government keeps track of the outsiders from other countries. I know of a few Mormon wagon trail lists that exist, but 1920 was probably too late for the wagon. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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During WW 1 most countries did not let men leave because they needed them for the war. After the war US limited immigration. There were three major acts passed 1917, 1921 & 1924 Most noted the Barred Zone act of 1917 limited the immigration form Asia (Chinese Exclusion). The Emergency Quota Act of 1921 limited immigration to the US at the current ethnic distribution in the US. For example if 3% of the ethnic population was from Portugal then 3% of the immigrants permitted into the US were Portuguese. The act of 1924 limited immigration from southern and eastern European countries and Asia. Rick Richard Francis Pimentel Spring, TX Formerly of Epping, New Hampshire From: azores@googlegroups.com [mailto:azores@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Cheri Mello Sent: Monday, March 21, 2011 11:23 AM To: azores@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [AZORES-Genealogy] The Trip they took Grace, Whoops, I meant to type WWI. I didn't look at the passaportes in the WWII period. I was using the ones from the 1890s-1920s. At the back of some of the books, they wrote how many people total to each destination. The books during the WWI time period were much smaller and less people left. After the war, the books got bigger and more people started to immigrated again. I know at one time there were quotas too in the United States. Not sure about the other countries. I'm not that good at WWI or WWII history. But I bet there's a list member who is. Cheri On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:54 AM, wrote: Cheri, Correct me, I believe I read somewhere that when WWII began, the United States limited the number of persons it accepted into this country. This was because of the masses that were trying to leave Europe. best, grace falcone In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:53:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Linda L, The people who are more versed on history can answer. When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii. I saw a lot to America, and some to Canada and Brazil. When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less people leaving. If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people started emigrating again. But the historians in this group will chime in and let you know. I like history, but was not a history major or read extensively on it. Those who have read a lot or were history majors will post, I'm sure. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com <mailto:azores%2bunsubscr...@googlegroups.com> . Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Grace, Whoops, I meant to type WWI. I didn't look at the passaportes in the WWII period. I was using the ones from the 1890s-1920s. At the back of some of the books, they wrote how many people total to each destination. The books during the WWI time period were much smaller and less people left. After the war, the books got bigger and more people started to immigrated again. I know at one time there were quotas too in the United States. Not sure about the other countries. I'm not that good at WWI or WWII history. But I bet there's a list member who is. Cheri On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 4:54 AM, wrote: > Cheri, > Correct me, I believe I read somewhere that when WWII began, the United > States limited the number of persons it accepted into this country. This > was because of the masses that were trying to leave Europe. > > best, grace falcone > > In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:53:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > gfsche...@gmail.com writes: > > Linda L, > > The people who are more versed on history can answer. > > When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were > a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii. I saw a lot to America, and some > to Canada and Brazil. When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less > people leaving. > > If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people > started emigrating again. But the historians in this group will chime in > and let you know. I like history, but was not a history major or read > extensively on it. Those who have read a lot or were history majors will > post, I'm sure. > > Cheri Mello > Listowner, Azores-Gen > Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, > Achada > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right > that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." > -- Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Cheri, Correct me, I believe I read somewhere that when WWII began, the United States limited the number of persons it accepted into this country. This was because of the masses that were trying to leave Europe. best, grace falcone In a message dated 3/20/2011 11:53:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, gfsche...@gmail.com writes: Linda L, The people who are more versed on history can answer. When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii. I saw a lot to America, and some to Canada and Brazil. When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less people leaving. If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people started emigrating again. But the historians in this group will chime in and let you know. I like history, but was not a history major or read extensively on it. Those who have read a lot or were history majors will post, I'm sure. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at _http://groups.google.com/group/Azores_ (http://groups.google.com/group/Azores) . Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership." -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Linda L, The people who are more versed on history can answer. When I looked at the passaportes (emigration out of the Azores), there were a lot from the 1880s-1900 going to Hawaii. I saw a lot to America, and some to Canada and Brazil. When World War 2 hit, there were much, much less people leaving. If I had to guess, by 1920, the economy was better after WWI and people started emigrating again. But the historians in this group will chime in and let you know. I like history, but was not a history major or read extensively on it. Those who have read a lot or were history majors will post, I'm sure. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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My grandmother arrived in Providence on Nov. 1, 1922, from Pico. She said she then took a train from there to Chicago to Sacramento to Hanford. The trip from Chicago to Sacramento took 2 days. My grandfather came in 1920 and I am assuming that he came the same way. He came right after a child of theirs died from an accident. I've always wondered if he already had plans to come or if he came because of the accident. Does anyone know if there was something else going on in 1920 since it looks like a few others were coming at the same time? Linda > --> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > > when they arrive. > > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > > membership." > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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> Jack They must have been on the same ship! The Madonna landed in New York City on the 4th of Aug. and then went on to Prov. RI. May Aunt Jessie said that they were held in the harbor in RI for 3 days because someone was ill and they quarantined the ship. Did you Mom ever say anything about that?? Rosemarie Rosemarie, > > My mother arrived on July 31, 1911. > > Jack > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Rosemarie, My mother arrived on July 31, 1911. Jack -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Jack, What date do they land in RI on the Madonna? My Grandfather and his Mom, Dad & sibs all came in August of 1911 on the Madonna. Rosemarie > My grandmother, mother, and uncle arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1911 > from Terceira. My grandfather came a year before. The ship was S.S. > Madonna. > > My father arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1920 from Terceira. The ship > was S.S. Roma. > > All 4 of them traveled to Gustine, CA from R.I. by train. Gustine is 30 > miles west of Merced. The train trip took 6 days. > > Jack > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Jack, What date do they land in RI on the Madonna? My Grandfather and his Mom, Dad & sibs all came in August of 1911 on the Madonna. Rosemarie > My grandmother, mother, and uncle arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1911 > from Terceira. My grandfather came a year before. The ship was S.S. > Madonna. > > My father arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1920 from Terceira. The ship > was S.S. Roma. > > All 4 of them traveled to Gustine, CA from R.I. by train. Gustine is 30 > miles west of Merced. The train trip took 6 days. > > Jack > > -- > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions > when they arrive. > For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail > (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the > right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my > membership." > -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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My grandmother, mother, and uncle arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1911 from Terceira. My grandfather came a year before. The ship was S.S. Madonna. My father arrived in Providence, R.I. in 1920 from Terceira. The ship was S.S. Roma. All 4 of them traveled to Gustine, CA from R.I. by train. Gustine is 30 miles west of Merced. The train trip took 6 days. Jack -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
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Bob, By point A to point B you are asking how he got from Providence, RI to Merced, CA? Probably train. I don't think train (choo choo train) manifests exist. And the migration was within the country, not people from outside the country. The government keeps track of the outsiders from other countries. I know of a few Mormon wagon trail lists that exist, but 1920 was probably too late for the wagon. Cheri Mello Listowner, Azores-Gen Researching: Vila Franca, Ponta Garca, Ribeira Quente, Ribeira das Tainhas, Achada -- To unsubscribe from this group, send email to azores+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. Follow the confirmation directions when they arrive. For more options, such as changing to List, Digest, Abridged, or No Mail (vacation) mode, log into your Google account and visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/Azores. Click in the blue area on the right that says "Join this group" and it will take you to "Edit my membership."
