[backstage] Browser statistics
Hello all, A while ago the BBC released a set of browser statistics for people viewing the bbc.co.uk web-site ( http://www.mail-archive.com/ backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/msg03899.html - Thanks Kim! ), and I was wondering if you might be able to do this again, to get an up-to-date record of what the trends are, and what the current market share is? Half a year after the other statistics it might be interesting. Also (a very sick request, and I do apologise for it but...) is there any chance the IE break down can include IE5Mac (if it even registers)? Many thanks Allan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Geographical coordinates of weather feed locations
Well the latitude and longitude are in the feeds: geo:lat49.92/geo:lat geo:long-6.3/geo:long So it would be a fairly simple matter to parse through the feeds and grab out the required data. You might want to put a little pause between each request, out of politeness, so you don't bomb the BBC server (although I'm certain it can take it). Allan On 20 Sep 2007, at 21:34, Pappa wrote: Hi, Does anyone know if it is possible to obtain the geographical coordinates of the 7379 BBC weather feed locations? Thanks, Pappa - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Rugby Score Feeds
All this stuff is copyrighted, I'd imagine. Sports feeds of any kind are usually pretty expensive. With the exception of the ECB. feed://www.ecb.co.uk/live-scores.xml I really wish that footballs and rugby associations did the same thing. It would be really interesting to see what people could do with live data such as that. Allan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Browser Stats
Hello all, Fantastic information - this is very interesting indeed. Thanks to Kim for the bbc.co.uk information, Richard and Brain for their information and James for the virginradio.co.uk and the other sites. I think this allows us all to build up quite a clear picture of what the 'average' user will surf with. From the bbc.co.uk data, if IE5.5 is more or less on a par with Safari, there are two ways of looking at it - Since the number of users are similar, if you support Safari you should support IE5.5 - Alternatively since IE5.5 will be harder work to support, and it's border line anyway, drop support For a site which is looking to support as wide a range of users as possible, it looks like IE5.5 should still be supported (if the target audience is as wide as the BBC's) - although James' statistics did show what appears to be a base line of IE5.x users - while IE5.0 should be dropped (in a graded way). I really like how the BBC does it's browser support - very nice work! Thank you very much to everyone for sharing this data - it really is very interesting. And I second the request for the BBC to publish this data (just as it is below), which would be a really good guide for what range of browsers the average person uses. Many thanks Allan On 26 Mar 2007, at 12:15, Kim Plowright wrote: Just for fun: the february data reworked to show the different flavours of IE at their appropriate % point. There's not much difference between Safari (all versions) and IE5.5 share. Again, I can't break out the different flavours of FF and Safari. Bear in mind this is % of PIs, not of users, so heavy consumption would skew these shares, and I'm willing to bet that FF users eat more internets than IE 6 / 7 users, on average. Browser % share of PIs IE 6.0 48.29 IE 7.0 25.15 Mozilla-Firefox 11.59 Unidentified5.17 Safari 2.87 IE 5.5 2.55 Cable 1.5 Netscape0.95 IE 5.0 0.50 Opera 0.37 IE 4.0 0.29 Pocket_PC 0.28 KDDI-EZweb 0.28 IE 5.2 0.08 IE 5.1 0.05 AOL 0.05 Lynx0.02 IE 3.0 0.01 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] BBC site statistics
Hello all, I'm wondering if anyone knows any of the site statistics for the BBC web-sites. In particular what the browser market share is, as I am wondering how much longer to support IE5 and 5.5 for certain sites - depending on their application and target market. I thing the BBC site user agent stats would be really interesting in this area, and possibly one of the least skewed se of statistics on the net for typical user agents. I see there is a section of the backstage web-site for statistics, but it doesn't actually show any information like this. I sent an e-mail about this a couple of months ago, and although there was enthusiasm for this type of information, we never really saw any statistics. Sorry for the re-post, I was wondering if anyone can share the statistics with the list. Many thanks, Allan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RE: [backstage] RE: [backstage] R E: [backstage] RE: [backstage] £1.2 billion que stion (or RE: [backstage] BBC Bias??? Cl ick and Torrents)
I think you meant Trying to deter the general public from committing copyright infringement, and deliberately trampling all over their rights whilst we do so Is that not what DRM is all about? *runs away - very quickly* - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Site statistics
http://www.bbc.co.uk/guidelines/newmedia/technical/ browser_support.shtml Unless I'm mis-reading it, is the platform labels for Safari wrong in table 3.1? And Konquerer, Opera and the second IE (Mac IE?) look a bit dubious as well. Yup - it looks like a tdAll/td is missing for either Mozilla or Opera... A - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Site statistics
Hello all, Thanks for the multitude of replies about web-site statistics. The sources people pointed out are very interesting, particularly the table of what browsers the bbc test on and support. It would be absolutely excellent if a break down of the bbc statistics was to be made available. I think it might answer a lot of questions for people as well (like myself - what to target etc). Tom: Many thanks for the browser breakdown for November. Interesting that Cable receives also has high a percentage of Safari. I suppose the up-shot is that if you make the decision on which platforms to support from that statistic, if you include Safari, Cable should be there as well. James: I think the statistics for Virgin Radio would also be equally interesting. If you could make those available it would be fantastic. Is the target market more towards the younger age group from this site? Allan On 10 Dec 2006, at 13:56, Tom Loosemore wrote: Does anyone know if the BBC releases statistics such as browser version/type, screen resolution and so on? Allan Hi Alan From home I can only get headline browser numbers - will do more digging next week to try and get at the rest. The percentages below are UK users in November 2006. IE 84.56 Mozilla-Firefox 9.41 Safari 2.36 Cable 2.03 Netscape1.07 Pocket_PC 0.27 KDDI-EZweb 0.22 AOL 0.06 Lynx0.02 bests -Tom - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/ mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Site statistics
Hello all, Does anyone know if the BBC releases statistics such as browser version/type, screen resolution and so on? It would be very interesting to see what these are, as bbc.co.uk is probably a fairly unbiased source for this type of information, unlike w3schools.com, which is tech skewed. I know that Martin Belam has done a little work on this ( http://www.currybet.net/articles/user_agents/index.php ) but these results are now a year out of date. Many thanks, Allan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] W3C and the Overton window
Or this could all simply indicate that the W3C is being very sensible and not trying to push standards beyond what people are actually doing or want to do. Perhaps to some extent. But then you end up in a situation such as the MSIE / Netscape browser war where multiple features are introduced, with each party wanting their own extensions included into the spec. Which ever is most popular wins, but leaves a number of developers / users out in the cold. Until 802.11x came along, very few people used wireless computer networks, similarly with GSM for mobile phones. Perhaps the W3C should trail blaze in the same manner. Indeed html and xml were 'new' (if tidied up sgml) and presented many new opportunities. The example you give of Flash is an interesting one... but SVG has also come a long way and is a similarly complex technology. Indeed it has. And I've used SVG for a few experiments, to get a feel for it. The spec looks good and very powerful. Now if only someone would implement it. Opera, Safari and Firefox are all developing their SVG support, however it is slow going. Opera appears to be furthest along, with Firefox 2 supporting a sub-set of the spec and Safari having limited support in nightly builds. One of the most powerful features of SVG imho is the ability to mix xml namespaces using the foreignObject in SVG. Which Safari supports, but does little else, Opera doesn't support and Mozilla (1.8? Firefox 3) will / does in nightlys. This is why I suggested that perhaps the W3C should look at developing a standards based browser, to push other browser developers to support new standards less than five years after they are released... Don't get me wrong - I have great respect for the W3C, and to some extent their task is impossible. But it does need a shake up, because it's not quite working at the moment. A - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] W3C and the Overton window
My brief take: now is the time for W3C to move out of the industry consortium / browser wars mode of operation, and to catch up with the ways of working popularised by the opensource movement: most importantly - publically visible, bloggable, google-able archives for all technical discussion. I completely agree. But (and I'll probably end up fanning the flames with this) there is another model which can also be looked at. Look at the progress Macromedia/Adobe have made with Flash and the Flash player since it was first released. Originally a simple shape tweening program, it is now a power house for animation, scripting, video and server communications. I'm not saying it doesn't have problems (accessibility etc), of course it does. Indeed I prefer working with html/css myself. However, the progress that Flash has made while html has been relatively static is staggering. And the reason for this has to be the lagging support for the standards that the W3C produce (Adobe of course have complete control over their player). So perhaps the W3C should throw their weight behind a browser to make it as compliant as possible - blow the dust of Amaya for example. It's also interesting to note that, in part, the resurgence of standards based development can be attributed to the non-standard xmlhttprequest javascript object (thank you Microsoft - can't believe I said that - although the gears are now set in motion to make it a standard since everyone loves it so). A few thoughts... Allan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Location IDs for weather feed
Hello all, Does anyone know if there is a location to loction id conversation table available for the weather feed? For example, if I knew the location was Edinburgh, a look up would tell me that the location ID was 1808 - from which I could pull the weather feed. I suppose that since there are only 7379 feeds I could parse through them and try to pull the data out, but I'm guessing the bbc wouldn't be particularly thrilled with me doing this. Many thanks, Allan
Re: [backstage] Location IDs for weather feed
yes: http://www.dracos.co.uk/play/bbc-weather/countries.opml Absolutely perfect! Thank you very much indeed - that's going to make life much easier! I'll see how this goes and drop an e-mail around if I manage to make it work :-) Thanks again, Allan - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
