Re: [backstage] RIP BBC Backstage
Well Jemima qualifies ³end of bbc backstage² by saying ³not being pushed off a cliff, but winding down². That could easily be one developer saying this list is a bit quiet. I think really the news is about the Guardian wanting to open-up their ³Open platform² by inviting other developer communities, like BBC backstage into the mix. Anyone know anything about the ³Open platform² ? Gavin On 13/10/2010 13:16, Nicola Osborne nkl.osbo...@gmail.com wrote: That's a shame. I may be a lurker but I always enjoy reading and following up on what I read here :( On 13 October 2010 13:04, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: Yes, It's official - the end of BBC Backstage. It must be true, Aleks Krotoski says it is. Goto 22:30... http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/audio/2010/oct/12/stephen-fry-windo ws-phone-7-audio Brian Butterworth follow me on twitter: @briantist web: ukfree.tv - independent digital television and switchover advice, since 2002 - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RIP BBC Backstage
On 13/10/2010 14:14, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 13:43, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Well Jemima qualifies ³end of bbc backstage² by saying ³not being pushed off a cliff, but winding down². That could easily be one developer saying this list is a bit quiet. I think really the news is about the Guardian wanting to open-up their ³Open platform² by inviting other developer communities, like BBC backstage into the mix. To the best of my knowledge, that's not the case at all. Aleks, Charles and Jemima tend to be fairly well-informed... Hi Mo, Now I'm wondering if we listened to the same audio? About 2 minutes-worth starting at 22:30. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
Thanks for noticing, have passed your comments on. It seems that they’re not all live yet, but more are on the way. There is a different schedule for regional news, i.e. they only seem to get 24 hours to live and aren’t published daily. Anyone know any more than that? Gavin On 11/09/2010 18:38, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: Well it would seem that my local news, 'South Today', has started being available in iPlayer since 7th September :-) Thanks to whoever made that happen! BTW: Seems that other weekday regional news programmes have also started appearing. Best Regards Phil On Wed, 2010-09-01 at 15:17 +0100, Gavin Johnson wrote: On 01/09/2010 12:01, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 15:25, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi Phil, Jim et al You be already aware of this but the BBC proposed a local video service last year. The proposal was rejected by the Trust following public consultation. One of the key concerns was about the Œadverse impact on the market¹. You can read a full explanation from the Trust here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/pvt/local_video_proposal.shtml So while there would be (minor) technical issues involved in delivering local video on bbc.co.uk, they haven¹t been explored because there isn¹t a remit to provide the service. It's worth stressing that the PVT referred to above covered a new £68m service which goes somewhat over and above the existing output from the regions (though I suspect extended versions of material which is edited down for broadcast would fall under that remit). As the Trust says: Within the bounds of existing service licences, the BBC offers regional news on television, local radio and local websites. Programming from the BBC's television services can be shown on the internet. Hunting through /programmes, it seems as hit and miss as suggested earlier. e.g., Points West: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9 versus Reporting Scotland: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj3s That's correct, the PVT was a new content proposal. Actually it seems as simple as Nations TV bulletins are on iplayer but the (English) Regions aren't. I think we probably need someone who has greater involvement with iplayer to be certain. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/ - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
On 01/09/2010 12:01, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 15:25, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: Hi Phil, Jim et al You be already aware of this but the BBC proposed a local video service last year. The proposal was rejected by the Trust following public consultation. One of the key concerns was about the adverse impact on the market¹. You can read a full explanation from the Trust here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/pvt/local_video_proposal.shtml So while there would be (minor) technical issues involved in delivering local video on bbc.co.uk, they haven¹t been explored because there isn¹t a remit to provide the service. It's worth stressing that the PVT referred to above covered a new £68m service which goes somewhat over and above the existing output from the regions (though I suspect extended versions of material which is edited down for broadcast would fall under that remit). As the Trust says: Within the bounds of existing service licences, the BBC offers regional news on television, local radio and local websites. Programming from the BBC's television services can be shown on the internet. Hunting through /programmes, it seems as hit and miss as suggested earlier. e.g., Points West: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006pft9 versus Reporting Scotland: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b006mj3s That's correct, the PVT was a new content proposal. Actually it seems as simple as Nations TV bulletins are on iplayer but the (English) Regions aren't. I think we probably need someone who has greater involvement with iplayer to be certain. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] regional news - footage available online?
Hi Phil, Jim et al You be already aware of this but the BBC proposed a local video service last year. The proposal was rejected by the Trust following public consultation. One of the key concerns was about the adverse impact on the market¹. You can read a full explanation from the Trust here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/our_work/pvt/local_video_proposal.shtml So while there would be (minor) technical issues involved in delivering local video on bbc.co.uk, they haven¹t been explored because there isn¹t a remit to provide the service. Gavin On 22/08/2010 12:10, Phil Lewis backst...@linuxcentre.net wrote: Hi Jim, I believe you can often find the local news for up to one day after on the local BBC site for that region. Last time I checked (incidentally for exactly the same reason as you) it was some awful wmv or real stream in very low or extremely low quality. Local news doesn't appear on iPlayer AFAIK. No idea about redux. I personally would love to see local news on iPlayer. best Regards Phil Lewis On Fri, 2010-08-20 at 12:29 +, jim tonge wrote: Hi all. As the Blast tour moves around the UK, myself and my colleagues are frequently interviewed on local TV news and radio. There was a very funny appearance by a colleague yesterday I'd love to get the broadcast of... I'm pretty sure local news isn't accessible through Redux, right? Anyone got any idea how I can get access to this footage either internally or externally? Ta, Jim - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] web jobs to go?
On 26/02/2010 10:58, Mo McRoberts m...@nevali.net wrote: On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 10:14, Jonathan Chetwynd j.chetw...@btinternet.com wrote: The corporation¹s web pages are to be halved I'm tempted to offer a prize to the first person who can accurately determine what web pages are to be halved ACTUALLY means. My off-the-cuff thoughts on it last night: http://nevali.net/post/412092568/bbc-signals-an-end-to-an-era-of-expansion That's a good post, Mo and I'm sure many here appreciate it. The bit that worries me is .. a pledge not ever to produce services at a 'more local' level than is currently the case. because (a) 'not ever' seems a bit greedy, particularly as (b) I can't see there has been much interest in local by commercial media My personal opinion of course. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like iplayer haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll give someone a nudge about getting the link removed. Gavin On 04/09/2009 12:43, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in particular) Listen Again content? As an example http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/ choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ... Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available, but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while things are being moved around. There¹s some useful background here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_rad i.html On 04/09/2009 13:50, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like iplayer haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll give someone a nudge about getting the link removed. Gavin On 04/09/2009 12:43, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in particular) Listen Again content? As an example http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/ choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ... Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing?
Just in case it wasn¹t clear, the discussion is about Local Radio only. Local Radio isn¹t centralised in the same way that Network Radio is. As I understand it Coyopa will benefit Network Radio initially. So this isn¹t a wholesale replacement of Windows for Real, but a temporary loss of Real during a period of re-organisation within Local. I¹m not familiar with the URL obfuscation issues perhaps it¹s fixing these (rather than the format) which is the priority? Gavin (Tech Lead, BBC Local) On 04/09/2009 16:49, adancy+backst...@gmail.com adancy+backst...@gmail.com wrote: Can someone from the Beeb clarify that the Windows streams will be *instead* of Real, as the implication of that article (and also a number of blog comments from James Cridland in the past) was that Windows Media streams would be in *addition* to the existing streams. From what I understand one of the big reasons behind the Coyopa project was that it's relatively easy for you to produce the same audio in multiple formats, so it seems a bit odd that you're replacing one format with another. Certainly there's still demand for RealAudio - I'm regularly seeing several hundred people a day using the RealAudio listen again links and widgets on my site, and I'm pretty sure other similar sites like Beebotron must have the same if not greater traffic for their RealAudio links. It's a particular problem with internet radios and mobile devices, as many of them don't support the AAC format you're now using for live streams and can't access the MP3 files you're now using for local radio Listen Again due to the content delivery system completely obsfuscating the URLs. Andrew Dancy www.iplayerconverter.co.uk http://www.iplayerconverter.co.uk (apologies if this appears twice - fun and games with gmail and their silly 'on behalf of' header) From: owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk [mailto:owner-backst...@lists.bbc.co.uk] On Behalf Of Gavin Johnson Sent: 04 September 2009 14:42 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk Subject: Re: [backstage] RealAudio for local radio - gone missing? Ok so it turns out that a dual bitrate option will continue to be available, but in Windows rather than Real. So that link is temporarily broken while things are being moved around. There¹s some useful background here. http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcinternet/2009/08/improvements_to_bbc_local_radi. html On 04/09/2009 13:50, Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk wrote: As of Tuesday there is no longer a dual bitrate option. It looks like iplayer haven¹t caught up. Thanks for noticing, I¹ll give someone a nudge about getting the link removed. Gavin On 04/09/2009 12:43, Paul Webster p...@dabdig.com wrote: What has happened to the RealAudio feeds of the local radio (BBC London in particular) Listen Again content? As an example http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0046fbf/Danny_Baker_03_09_2009/ choose the pop-out player - and then low bandwidth ... Danny Baker: 03/09/2009 is unavailable at this time. Paul Webster - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] Clay Shirky: Newspapers and Thinking the Unthinkable
On 16/03/2009 11:39, Robert (Jamie) Munro rjmu...@arjam.net wrote: Kevin Anderson wrote: funding - the licence fee. Commercial newspapers are finding their readership and advertising decline. Unless the licence fee were extended to a public service newspaper (highly unlikely), the BBC doesn't provide that much of a model that could easily be transferred to newspapers. I think that news.bbc.co.uk is already a public service newspaper - albeit one without a print edition. Which made me think back to last November when the BBC Trust said: ³Our decision today to refuse permission for local video means that local newspapers and other commercial media can invest in their online services² .. and wonder what Mr Shirky would make of that. Gavin - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
On 14/01/2009 18:53, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: 2009/1/14 Gavin Johnson gavin.john...@bbc.co.uk This thread reminds me of our ongoing debate about use of the internal network in relation to the position of digital kit and broadcast sources. The centralist view is that you put all your encoders in a big data centre and route all the analogue through. route all the analogue through - I seem to remember spending a happy few years in the 1990s ripping out everything analogue and replacing them with fibre optic systems. Perhaps you are referring to uncompressed digital video (or broadcast quality), not analogue? Yep, I was forgetting about the subterranean codecs. Anything my browser can't see must be analogue ;-). G - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
Re: [backstage] DOGs on the BBC TV online streams?
This thread reminds me of our ongoing debate about use of the internal network in relation to the position of digital kit and broadcast sources. The centralist view is that you put all your encoders in a big data centre and route all the analogue through. That's great when you want to make an enterprise level change to reflect latest blah codec being released, but becomes bandwidth-challenging if you need to double-up and have clean feeds for everything (cheaper to let the DOGs in, particularly if people don¹t notice they¹re there). The devolved view is that you stash your encoders as close to your broadcast sources as possible. DOGs are a powerful argument in favour of the devolved approach because devolution favours the ability of the online broadcaster to provide streams that are unique and distinctive (rights permitting). The halcyon solution of course, is that broadcast sources become the point of digitisation. Gavin On 14/01/2009 12:17, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: I guess it would cost the viewers about £1 each to get BBC CI a new plasma... On 14 Jan 2009, 11:39 AM, r...@upyourego.com wrote: If you ever find yourself watching BBC Channel Island news at 6.30pm or 10.25 (I think Sky 988) you'll see the old BBC Spotlight Channel Islands logo burned pretty deep into the studio plasma screen behind the presenter. Not sure what I think about DOGs though - never really notice them to be honest. On Wed 14/01/09 11:18 AM , Richard Lockwood richard.lockw...@gmail.com sent: That's a pretty extreme form of tattooing - where'd you get it done? Cheers, Rich. ...
Re: [backstage] The Apple Wheel: Apple's new keyboard-free laptop
Should you decide to get one it¹s gonna be a while before you say anything. On 06/01/2009 13:22, Brian Butterworth briant...@freeview.tv wrote: http://ping.fm/GqIbk http://ping.fm/GqIbk What can I say? B
Re: [backstage] Linguistic discrimination?
On 08/12/2008 14:06, Rich Vazquez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 5:42 AM, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting point of debate. This logic says that it is possible only to have an opinion if you speak the language of the country that you have a though about. This is just silly, I can like a part of Wales without speaking Welsh! [snipped] If we were to ask Iraqis their experience since Saddam Hussein's fall, would it be best to do ask in English, Spanish or Arabic? Ideally all three? Simon Batistoni from Flickr has written a really interesting paper covering communities, language, machine translation and the web [1]. For me, it's inspiring that Flickr are seeing Internationalisation as part of their business model and not leaving it as one for the academics to ponder. As Joel Spolsky says in his classic article on Unicode [2] it's really not that hard to manage multilingual content, you just need to know that's what you want to do from the outset. Back here at the Beeb, there are many systems and support for Internationalisation varies between them. The World Service and Welsh language departments have done a lot to promote language development work and given the multi-headed monster that is most software development, things are moving along. Gavin [1] http://2008.xtech.org/public/schedule/detail/534 [2] http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
[backstage] Jobs in Cardiff
Hello all, Apologies for the slightly unusual use of this list. We've got a few vacancies at the BBC offices in Cardiff from technical project managers to web developers (client and server). We're a friendly bunch, take pride in our work and get on with a range of stuff including Doctor Who and Welsh Language web sites. If you're interested in joining us then take a look at jobs.bbc.co.uk. I'm not interested in hearing from agencies at this stage, thanks. Gavin (Team Leader) - Sent via the backstage.bbc.co.uk discussion group. To unsubscribe, please visit http://backstage.bbc.co.uk/archives/2005/01/mailing_list.html. Unofficial list archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk/
