Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
* John Drescher [20070911 19:59]: On 9/11/07, Dimitrios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:17:38 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of bacula? v2.2.3 i believe (windows installer, downloaded from sourceforge). If I do indeed get some time this week I plan to get some serious work done on this so I will try to test the latest source in the process. I have an idea why this could be the case but I am unsure if there were changes in the current version that caused that. BTW, this is the time I ask for a thing I wondered of for months. Suppose you have Windows servers. The servers are typically licenced as application servers so only two remote desktop accesses plus a console are available to access them. Normally the two administrative logons are used by the customers, so the admins only can use the console to log on. Here the problem is, I mean this belongs to the tray application, that once somebody leaves the console with a user (a domain admin member) logged in to be able later reconnect the session for some reasons, and someone else needs access hence console, she/he may choose to let log out the one currently logged in admin that stops bacula service from running from then on. Not knowing the internals I can not say it is due to tray icon but feel some correspondence with. Thoughts? Thank you --tef - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:02:13 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also a quick workaround may be the following: 1) Change Bacula File Server service startup type to be Manual instead of Automatic. 2) Then in a batch file in the startup folder of user issue a net start Bacula File Server However this may not work if the logged in user does not have permissions to start/stop services. Thank you very much, i really appreciate your help and the effort to furthur develop bacula. No wonder bacula has been enhanced so much over the years, along with the best manual we've seen on an open source project, there are superb people behind the project! I'll try the suggested workaround! - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
We've got a Windoze 2003 server and i'm using the bacula file daemon to backup files from it. Since the system is actively used by a person, we rely on the cassette icon in the system tray to check when the backup is running (so as the person on the system doesn't do anything stupid when the cassette is green). Our problem is, that once the machine is rebooted, the cassette icon disappears, even though the daemon service is running in the background (as can be seen in the Services). Interestingly, if we re-start the service, the cassette icon reappears, but only untill we reset the machine. Does anyone know how to make the cassette icon to always appear in the system tray? Thank you. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
We've got a Windoze 2003 server and i'm using the bacula file daemon to backup files from it. Since the system is actively used by a person, we rely on the cassette icon in the system tray to check when the backup is running (so as the person on the system doesn't do anything stupid when the cassette is green). Our problem is, that once the machine is rebooted, the cassette icon disappears, even though the daemon service is running in the background (as can be seen in the Services). Interestingly, if we re-start the service, the cassette icon reappears, but only untill we reset the machine. Does anyone know how to make the cassette icon to always appear in the system tray? What version of bacula? Hmm. I have been in my spare time working to remove the tray icon completely from the filedaemon and replace it with a standalone tray application. One reason for this is that it is problem with security on vista. And also others have asked to remove the tray completely for several reasons. John - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:17:38 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of bacula? v2.2.3 i believe (windows installer, downloaded from sourceforge). Hmm. I have been in my spare time working to remove the tray icon completely from the filedaemon and replace it with a standalone tray application. One reason for this is that it is problem with security on vista. And also others have asked to remove the tray completely for several reasons. uh oh, that would be a real problem for us, we really need the tray icon. We wouldn't mind a stand along application, it doesn't make any difference for our purposes, but it would really be a problem if it was completely removed. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On 11 Sep 2007 at 20:50, Dimitrios wrote: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:17:38 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of bacula? v2.2.3 i believe (windows installer, downloaded from sourceforge). Hmm. I have been in my spare time working to remove the tray icon completely from the filedaemon and replace it with a standalone tray application. One reason for this is that it is problem with security on vista. And also others have asked to remove the tray completely for several reasons. uh oh, that would be a real problem for us, we really need the tray icon. I think if you explained why you really need the tray icon it would help everyone better understand the situation. What would you be unable to do? We wouldn't mind a stand along application, it doesn't make any difference for our purposes, but it would really be a problem if it was completely removed. When you say complete removed, are you referring to the functions now available through the tray icon? I understand all existing functionality will be retained. It will no longer be available through the tray icon, but through another interface. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ Available for hire: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On 9/11/07, Dimitrios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 11:17:38 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What version of bacula? v2.2.3 i believe (windows installer, downloaded from sourceforge). If I do indeed get some time this week I plan to get some serious work done on this so I will try to test the latest source in the process. I have an idea why this could be the case but I am unsure if there were changes in the current version that caused that. John - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
When you say complete removed, are you referring to the functions now available through the tray icon? I understand all existing functionality will be retained. It will no longer be available through the tray icon, but through another interface. Kern had me working on taking the tray icon code out of bacula-fd.exe and making a new application that (may or may not contain a tray icon) but still has all the functionality of the old tray icon. In this process I was working on combining the bulk of the current unix bacula-tray-monitor code with the win32 code so that they would share as much of the code as possible but have different gui code. I hope to get back to this sometime this week. I know this is taking me forever and I hope Kern has not totally given up on me for this task. My main problem is that both of the programmers I work with at the day job are leaving and I need to hire a replacement as soon as I can at the same time I am behind a deadline so the little time that I thought I had became zero time. John - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On 11 Sep 2007 at 14:06, John Drescher wrote: When you say complete removed, are you referring to the functions now available through the tray icon? I understand all existing functionality will be retained. It will no longer be available through the tray icon, but through another interface. Kern had me working on taking the tray icon code out of bacula-fd.exe and making a new application that (may or may not contain a tray icon) but still has all the functionality of the old tray icon. In this process I was working on combining the bulk of the current unix bacula-tray-monitor code with the win32 code so that they would share as much of the code as possible but have different gui code. I hope to get back to this sometime this week. I know this is taking me forever and I hope Kern has not totally given up on me for this task. My main problem is that both of the programmers I work with at the day job are leaving and I need to hire a replacement as soon as I can at the same time I am behind a deadline so the little time that I thought I had became zero time. John: Real life always comes first. Do not worry about Bacula. It is done in our spare [and volunteer] time. Bacula can wait. Your real paid job cannot. You're making the right choices. -- Dan Langille - http://www.langille.org/ Available for hire: http://www.freebsddiary.org/dan_langille.php - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:56:40 -0400 Dan Langille [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think if you explained why you really need the tray icon it would help everyone better understand the situation. What would you be unable to do? The machine runs a special type of control software that manages a printing press. In that same machine we store special files which deal with the configuration of the press machine, along with whatever is there to be printed. Thus the computer requires several people to be working on it, while i'm trying to do backups (none of the systems are allowed to be on power after the press is shut down, the electricity of the whole floor is shut down, thus backups are done while we work). As a result, its important for the people working on the system to look at the cassette icon because some printing jobs may require the server to run at full utilization and thus the backup shouldn't be running. So they just wait for a few minutes before running any such job for the backup process to complete (doesn't take too long, just a few minutes, but its important not to run in parallel with any printing job). If you need more details please let me know. When you say complete removed, are you referring to the functions now available through the tray icon? I understand all existing functionality will be retained. It will no longer be available through the tray icon, but through another interface. Well, we don't use the log that can be accessed via right-clicking on the icon, we only need to know when bacula-fd is running a backup or not (a time estimate for completition of the job would have been even better, but thats just cosmetic). - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
Interestingly, if we re-start the service, the cassette icon reappears, but only untill we reset the machine. I am a little confused at that statement. How long is it up after restarting the service? Are you logging out? Is it possible that explorer.exe crashed during this time? John - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:30:19 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little confused at that statement. How long is it up after restarting the service? Are you logging out? Is it possible that explorer.exe crashed during this time? i'm sorry, i may not have explained it correctly. 1) install bacula-fd on win2003 server, installation completes and the cassette icon appears on the system tray. 2) system is kept running while the people work on the printing press (backup starts and the green lights turn on and off once backup is complete). 3) at the end of the shift, all systems are shutdown and power is cut from the whole floor. 4) next day in the morning, all systems are powered and the shift starts work on the printing press, at which point we realise that the cassette icon is not in the system tray, although the bacula-fd is running in the background (as Services reports). 5) we manually stop and restart the service and the cassette icon now appears on the system tray. i believe the tray icon appears when we are logged in on the system and manualy start the service, but it doesn't appear when the machine has booted and started the bacula-fd on its own. - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] cassette icon disappears
On 9/11/07, Dimitrios [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:30:19 -0400 John Drescher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am a little confused at that statement. How long is it up after restarting the service? Are you logging out? Is it possible that explorer.exe crashed during this time? i'm sorry, i may not have explained it correctly. 1) install bacula-fd on win2003 server, installation completes and the cassette icon appears on the system tray. 2) system is kept running while the people work on the printing press (backup starts and the green lights turn on and off once backup is complete). 3) at the end of the shift, all systems are shutdown and power is cut from the whole floor. 4) next day in the morning, all systems are powered and the shift starts work on the printing press, at which point we realise that the cassette icon is not in the system tray, although the bacula-fd is running in the background (as Services reports). 5) we manually stop and restart the service and the cassette icon now appears on the system tray. i believe the tray icon appears when we are logged in on the system and manualy start the service, but it doesn't appear when the machine has booted and started the bacula-fd on its own. Thanks. I will see if I can replicate that. Also a quick workaround may be the following: 1) Change Bacula File Server service startup type to be Manual instead of Automatic. 2) Then in a batch file in the startup folder of user issue a net start Bacula File Server However this may not work if the logged in user does not have permissions to start/stop services. John - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
