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Re: [BangPypers] Do you pin your requirements.txt ?

2013-09-14 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
Oh! Is that a big deal? Of course we pin our requirements (in all
languages) and that's how it should be done. Otherwise you can't get
repeatable builds. ~BG

On Thu, Sep 12, 2013 at 5:45 PM, BibhasD m...@bibhas.in wrote:
 Quick googling suggests pinning = specifying versions.

 I do it. I think that makes more sense if you're depending on 3rd party
 packages.

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 What do you mean by pin? ~BG

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Re: [BangPypers] Do you pin your requirements.txt ?

2013-09-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
What do you mean by pin? ~BG

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Re: [BangPypers] Listing files in a folder using python

2013-02-25 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
I didn't read the whole PHP code, but I guess you are trying to scan a
directory for files, etc. This can be accomplished using the os.walk
function in Python - http://docs.python.org/2/library/os.html#os.walk

Regards,
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On Tue, Feb 26, 2013 at 8:19 AM, T S KAMATH tsk.kam...@gmail.com wrote:
 as a newbie to python, I am looking for some advance examples for some 
 functions.. so that my learning curve is short..

 I have used a code in php 
 http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.scandir.php#109115, which works fine,

 My question is can a similar featured listing be done in Python.. if you 
 could guide me it would be great..


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Re: [BangPypers] Try Ninja IDE

2012-08-21 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Heh, replies are not mandatory, I, for one, wasn't really holding my breath
 to see a reply from you to Yoganand's email :)

It's not about me here, it's about very basic mailing list etiquette.

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Re: [BangPypers] [Inpycon] Sad demise of our dear KG (Keneth Gonsalvas)

2012-08-03 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
:'(

RIP Kenneth! It was great knowing you.

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 He was admitted in hospital due to Asthma attack and passed away today
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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python/Django Internship position

2012-07-30 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:58 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote:
 As the adage goes:

 Q: How do you know someone is from IIT or IIM?
 A: They tell you.

 When I hear someone is from IIT or IIM, I instinctively ignore that person
 because repeat experience has taught me to do so. These people tend to
 believe that they are superior to everyone else because of where they
 studied. Some of the most ruinous corporate decisions I've seen come from
 IIT/IIM graduates who keep reminding everyone that they are IIT/IIM
 graduates.

 This is of course not true for everyone, but there are enough of these
 jokers going around that if you are serious about your startup, please do
 not advertise your IIT/IIM background -- you will be ignored by the people
 you really need to talk to.

Couldn't agree more.

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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python/Django Internship position

2012-07-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Fri, Jul 13, 2012 at 10:10 AM, Prashanth munichli...@gmail.com wrote:
 Looking for Fresh college graduates for Internship position at Noida. We
 are a internet based startup started by IIT, BITS alumnus.

 *sigh* one more of a IIT BITS IIM keyword job posting. Do you think
 you can get investor on board just by saying those keywords? If no,
 how do you expect programmers to join you? How does your keywords
 matter more than your idea and business model?

It's not a business model, it's a way of life... :)

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Re: [BangPypers] Python script to limit access to Internet...

2012-06-27 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
  but one thing, networks where you rely on the dhcp server on the
  router are highly unsafe. Please avoid them.

 Why so?

 in the first place, these are setup by the 'technical' staff of the
 service provider. The root password is usually root123, the firewall is
 identical on all modems, the permissions are the widest possible and the
 client machines are usually windows. I use this, but my machines are all
 linux with proper firewalls, and I can see the sort of rubbish the
 router lets in in the logs.

True, but I am not sure how this is related to running the DHCP server
on the router.

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Re: [BangPypers] JOB - Senior Web Developer - Talented Team!

2012-03-16 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
  Ah well, that was supposed to go to the sender. My bad. Ignore it.

 welcome to the club


 Bad karma. I should set the return address for the group to the sender
 perhaps :)

 [...]

 Please don't.

 A mail client should have some way of specifying reply to sender or
 reply to reply-to address.

 Its not just the mail client's fault. If header munging in Mailman is
 set it wont help what the client settings are. So for your suggestion
 to work, this ML settings in Mailman for Edit anonymous_list and
 header munging Edit first_strip_reply_to settings should be set to
 NO and reply_goes_to_list must be set to go to the poster -- gmail's
 web interface now automatically recognizes this feature. Earlier it
 was not the case.


People wanting to reply to the OP (or anyone else) in private is  10%
of the use-case.

Such emails should either be composed separately or at least the
person sending the email
should verify that the mail is indeed going to the intended recipient.

Let's not change the default setting to address a corner case.

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Re: [BangPypers] getpython3

2012-01-18 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 That is not the one I started, this is a new one from Jesse Noller.
 getpython3.net I stopped as there was not any interest from the community.
 If anyone want to take over it, I can give the domain and other details.

May be you should just redirect getpython3.net to getpython3.com with a 301.

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Re: [BangPypers] getpython3

2012-01-18 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 That is not the one I started, this is a new one from Jesse Noller.
 getpython3.net I stopped as there was not any interest from the community.
 If anyone want to take over it, I can give the domain and other details.

 May be you should just redirect getpython3.net to getpython3.com with a 301.

 Done.

Awesome!

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Re: [BangPypers] re module help

2012-01-09 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Mon, Jan 9, 2012 at 4:57 PM, Ganesh Kumar bugcy...@gmail.com wrote:
  I tried also subprocess module, But didn't got result, I tried the same
  pattern. But didn't match the string over the stream.

 Are you sure you're getting the output from the command in your string?


 I got output from terminal command working fine

Is your tool, writing to stdout or stderr?

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Re: [BangPypers] golf problem

2011-12-25 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 a golf course has 18 holes. There are three types of hole - par 3, par 4
 and par 5. For a certain type of tournament it is necessary to generate
 a random list of 6 holes. The only condition is that this list should
 contain at least one of each type of hole. What would be an elegant way
 of doing this. Sample data for Ooty golf course is given below. The hole
 number is the first element of each tuple and the par is the second
 element.

This is my solution - http://dpaste.org/wrgG8/

Mine is similar to Gora's solution, except that I have tried to
maintain the actual probabilities of each par in the course and
minimise the number of passes through the list.

It shouldn't matter much for a small list though.

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Re: [BangPypers] Text/Mail filtering/classification using python

2011-12-23 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
You need a Naive Bayes Classifier. Take a look at PyZor -
http://sourceforge.net/apps/trac/pyzor/

Regards,
BG

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 5:01 PM, Amit Sethi amit.pureene...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi All, I am looking for a spam filtering/classification solution .

 The essential requirement are :
 1. Return a negative on all text with certain words.

 But apart from returning negative on certain words. I want it to be able to
 classify certain positives.

 For ex - Given the fact that [Sachin, Cricket, Batsmen] are related to
 cricket - returns a positive on cricket
 Given the fact that [ Inflation, Share Price ] are related to Finance -
 returns a positive on finance

 etc ... What kind of tool set/ library can help me achieve that ?

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Re: [BangPypers] webmail server

2011-10-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
Lamson - http://lamsonproject.org/

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Re: [BangPypers] webmail server

2011-10-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 On Wed, 2011-10-12 at 18:01 +0530, Baishampayan Ghose wrote:
 Lamson - http://lamsonproject.org/

 sorry - wrong question - I meant webmail client - like openwebmail.

PyWebmail? - http://code.google.com/p/webpymail/

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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] - Yahoo!

2011-09-14 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:30 PM, Kiran Jonnalagadda j...@pobox.com wrote:
 +1. Censoring opinion does no one any good. I'm with Noufal and Roshan on 
 this thread.

 Public criticism can help companies get unstuck *really fast*, as I learnt 
 about Y! last month in a separate incident. If, as in this case, any company 
 wants to use a public resource to recruit, they should also be willing to 
 explain why they are a good place to work. This is a fair expectation for 
 their use of the resource. Instead, there's only been objection to criticism, 
 which makes the company look all the worse.

+1 to Kiran and Noufal here.
+1 Trillion to Roshan (of which a few Billions are just for the style).

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Re: [BangPypers] if not with comparision statement in python

2011-08-01 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 4:38 PM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote:
 I also find map much more atomic and portable construct to think in -
 after all every list comprehension is syntactic sugar around map +
 filter, and map/reduce/filter are far more omnipresent than list
 comprehensions.

The above will especially make sense to someone who programs in
multiple programming languages in his day job.

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Re: [BangPypers] if not with comparision statement in python

2011-08-01 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 5:09 PM, Anand Chitipothu anandol...@gmail.com wrote:
 I also find map much more atomic and portable construct to think in -
 after all every list comprehension is syntactic sugar around map +
 filter, and map/reduce/filter are far more omnipresent than list
 comprehensions.

 The above will especially make sense to someone who programs in
 multiple programming languages in his day job.

 I envy them. :)

Why envy them when you can join them ;-)

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Re: [BangPypers] parsing xml

2011-07-29 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Venkatraman S venka...@gmail.com wrote:
 IMHO, regexps are much more powerful and fault tolerant than XML parsing.
 XMLs are brittle.

Did you mean parsing XML using Regular Expressions is more powerful
and fault tolerant than using a XML parser?

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Re: [BangPypers] parsing xml

2011-07-28 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 here is a simplified version of an xml file:

 ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
    gpx 
        metadata
                author
                nameCloudMade/name
                email id=support domain=cloudmade.com /
                link href=http://maps.cloudmade.com;/link
                /author
                copyright author=CloudMade
                licensehttp://cloudmade.com/faq#license/license
                /copyright
                time2011-07-28T07:04:01/time
        /metadata
            extensions
                distance1489/distance
                time344/time
                startSägerstraße/start
                endIm Gisinger Feld/end
            /extensions
    /gpx

 I want to get the value of the distance element - 1489. What is the
 simplest way of doing this?

#!/usr/bin/env python
# -*- coding: utf-8 -*-
from xml.etree.ElementTree import fromstring

data = ?xml version=1.0 encoding=UTF-8?
   gpx 
   metadata
   author
   nameCloudMade/name
   email id=support domain=cloudmade.com /
   link href=http://maps.cloudmade.com;/link
   /author
   copyright author=CloudMade
   licensehttp://cloudmade.com/faq#license/license
   /copyright
   time2011-07-28T07:04:01/time
   /metadata
   extensions
   distance1489/distance
   time344/time
   startSägerstraße/start
   endIm Gisinger Feld/end
   /extensions
   /gpx


def parse_xml(s):
element = fromstring(s)
return element.find(extensions/distance).text

if __name__ == __main__:
print parse_xml(data)

Hope that helps.

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Re: [BangPypers] parsing xml

2011-07-28 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 minidom is the fastest solution if you consider the programmer time
 instead of developer time.  Minidom is available in standard library,
 you don't have to add another dependency and worry about PyPI
 downtimes and lxml compilations failures.

FWIW, ElementTree is a part of the standard library as well and is
known to be much better than minidom in various ways.

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Re: [BangPypers] [OT] language fanaticism

2011-07-13 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 why ?  any personal bad experience or some technical reasons?

 many bitter experiences - security is a nightmare for php apps. Take a
 look at the number of security updates wordpress has per *month* - more
 than django has had in 6 *years*.

 http://wordpress-security.net/wordpress-software-security-updates/
 --- do you want to live on the edge like this?

 Most LUG sites run php, maintained by 'experts' - they are regularly
 spammed or cracked even when the most draconian lockdown/captchas are
 implemented. Volunteers just do not have the time to spend half their
 nights applying security patches.
 quote
 Important note about updating Themes:
 If you have made **any** changes to your theme (tweaking things in
 style.css or changes to the template files), the changes will be
 overwritten when the theme is updated. Be ready to re-do the changes
 after updating.
 unquote

 what fun!

I don't understand how Django apps can automatically guarantee a
certain level of security while PHP applications can't. Are you trying
to indicate that each and every Django app that you've built is free
from any security hole?

IMHO if an application is insecure, it's the programmer who is to
blame and not the language/framework.

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Re: [BangPypers] [pythonpune] Cool developments on the PyPy front

2011-07-01 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
Interesting, seems to be similar to Clojure's approach towards managing state.

Regards,
BG

On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 2:15 AM, Dhananjay Nene dhananjay.n...@gmail.com wrote:
 This is an informational post only. I've been watching some of the
 performance developments on PyPy, but this one made me feel real good.
 Apparently PyPy is going to lose the GIL and implement locking via STM

 http://morepypy.blogspot.com/2011/06/global-interpreter-lock-or-how-to-kill.html




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Re: [BangPypers] Uninstalling Python 2.6

2011-06-24 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 I want to remove Python 2.6 from my computer, or at least change the
 default python to 2.5. When I try to remove Python 2.6 through the
 package manager, it asks me if I want to remove about 200 other
 things, which I don't want to do. Things that only support Python 2.5
 (like vim.. etc) try to use python 2.6 instead of python 2.5 by
 default, which screws things up. How do I fix this?

 Note: I am trying with ubuntu-9.10(Karmic)

You won't be able to remove python-2.6 because of dependencies, but
you can install python-2.5 and make it the default by using the
`update-alternatives` command
(http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/karmic/man8/update-alternatives.8.html).

It would be something like (after installing python-2.5) -

# update-alternatives --config python

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Re: [BangPypers] Uninstalling Python 2.6

2011-06-24 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 # update-alternatives --config python

 Ganesh:~# update-alternatives --config python
 update-alternatives: error: no alternatives for python.

Hmm, in that case, you might need to do something like this but YMMV -

# update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.6 1
# update-alternatives --install /usr/bin/python python /usr/bin/python2.5 10
# update-alternatives --config python

I would recommend that you read the update-alternatives manual page
before trying any of the above.

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Re: [BangPypers] remote ip change

2011-06-22 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 If you _want_ to involve python, then take a look at func. With Func,
 changing the machine IP is just one of the many sysadmin tasks you'll
 be able to perform.

 Do you have a URL Sriram? It sounds useful.

 https://fedorahosted.org/func/

Seems to be similar to Fabric [http://fabfile.org] but limited to
administering Fedora machines.

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Re: [BangPypers] The myth of free software

2011-05-19 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 6:27 PM, Santosh Rajan santra...@gmail.com wrote:
 (FUNCTION TROLL
    ((FUNCTION PRINT)
        Hello World)))

You clearly don't know enough Lisp to even craft a joke properly.
Stick to what you know, that will suite you better.

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Re: [BangPypers] editor for restructured text

2011-04-28 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 12:55 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Contrary to popular opinion, you *can* use Emacs as just a text editor
 without buying into it's whole lispy philsophy.

FWIW, only a small percentage of Emacs users buy into the whole lispy
philosophy.
Nevertheless, the path to mastering Emacs does intersect with the path
to mastering Lisp in some important places.

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Re: [BangPypers] Broken pipe error

2011-04-14 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 3:21 PM, Amit Sethi amit.pureene...@gmail.com wrote:
 File /usr/lib/python2.6/socket.py, line 286, in flush
    self._sock.sendall(buffer)
 error: [Errno 32] Broken pipe

This happens when the request from the client (browser) is
closed/interrupted. Sometimes this happens when you press the Esc key
or move to another page before the original page has loaded
completely.

This is not a serious issue and you can ignore it safely.

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Re: [BangPypers] Nice feature

2011-04-01 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Fri, Apr 1, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Noufal Ibrahim nou...@gmail.com wrote:
 Came across this at PyCon. Comments?

 foo = (1,[2,3,4])
 foo[1] += [6]
 Traceback (most recent call last):
  File stdin, line 1, in module
 TypeError: 'tuple' object does not support item assignment
 foo
 (1, [2, 3, 4, 6])

Even nicer this way -

 foo = (1, [2, 3, 4])
 foo[1].append(5)
 foo
(1, [2, 3, 4, 5])
 foo[1].append(6)
 foo
(1, [2, 3, 4, 5, 6])

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Re: [BangPypers] Dictionary in Python - A doubt

2011-03-24 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Jins Thomas jinstho...@gmail.com wrote:
 My problem was to find the occurance of each word in a file

 f = open('hello.txt', 'r')
 count = {}
 for line in f:
    words = line.split()
    for i in words :
        if i in count:
            count[i] += 1
        else:
            count[i] = 1
 print (count)

 I was just comparing hash in Perl. In Perl 'if i in count:  else:' statement
 is not required i could simply uses count{i} +=1 even if it exists or not
 exists. I was thinking why Python has put this restriction. Or is it
 something which i did wrongly.

Perl let's you do a += on a dictionary value because Perl is weakly
typed(?) and Python is not. To tell Python to assume that the default
value of your dictionary is an integer instead of anything else, you
will have to use `defaultdict`[1] which is a subclass of the built-in
Python dict. This is how you can use it -

count = defaultdict(int)

with open(hello.txt, r) as f:
for line in f:
words = line.split()
for i in words:
count[i] += 1

print (count)

Hope this helps.

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BG

[1] http://docs.python.org/library/collections.html#collections.defaultdict

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Re: [BangPypers] Proposed python module: simpleoauth

2011-03-09 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 After getting very confused and frustrated at the state of OAuth libraries
 in python, I decided that there needs to be a simpler way of doing OAuth in
 Python. As a proof-of-concept I've implemented the following:

 https://github.com/ngkabra/simpleoauth

Where is the code? simpleoauth/__init__.py seems to have only one line
- /home/navin/d/hacks/python/oauth/simple_oauth.py

Another thing, please sanitize the examples and remove your own API
keys, they look real to me :)

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Re: [BangPypers] indentation problems

2011-02-23 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 I have a problem - whenever I load the code written by a particular team
 member indentation in many places vanishes. I have a feeling this has
 something to do with tabs and spaces - anyone faced this problem?

If a file has a mixture of tabs and spaces that can cause a lot of
problems. Some editors can visually indicate if tabs and spaces are
mixed in a file.

You can use the tabnanny module to detect such files.

$ python -m tabnanny file # for a single file
$ python -m tabnanny . # for all files in the current directory

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Re: [BangPypers] Ideas for Python concurrency...

2011-02-08 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Mutliprocessing means, data copying, talking to each other through PIPES,
 also it has its issues with running on Windows (all function calls should be
 pickelable)

 Threads seems pretty stable on most platforms where Python runs.

Threads won't help you much because of the Python GIL.

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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience

2011-01-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 This interesting job comes with industry competitive compensation.

 how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range.

One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying according
to industry standards is that there is no such thing as a standard
compensation. The actual pay differs with the person, the role  the
company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying we won't
short-change you.

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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience

2011-01-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
  how much? I wonder why in India people never mention salary range.

 One reason for not stating the actual range and just saying according
 to industry standards is that there is no such thing as a standard
 compensation. The actual pay differs with the person, the role  the
 company. Nevertheless, it's a nice way of saying we won't
 short-change you.

 or a way of saying: 'there is going to be bargaining here'? I do not
 know much about the software industry, but surely there must be an
 approximate range - or at least a maximum that a company is willing to
 shell out?

I agree. That is indeed, one way of saying the salary is negotiable.
Having said that, I have never seen companies like Google, Facebook,
etc. mention a pay range in job postings, but I guess people still get
some idea about the salary range through various channels like
glassdoor.com

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Re: [BangPypers] [JOB] Python developer required in Pune with web development experience

2011-01-12 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 I agree. That is indeed, one way of saying the salary is negotiable.
 Having said that, I have never seen companies like Google, Facebook,
 etc. mention a pay range in job postings,

 google, facebook etc are the top range - it goes without saying that the
 salaries will be far above industry standards. I am talking about our
 local small start ups that no one has ever heard of. I have seen lot of
 people who say 'we pay very well', but actually the end offer is often
 peanuts. I personally always specify a maximum - that way every one
 knows where they stand and people do not need to waste their time
 applying for a job where the salary is not up to their expectations.
 That said, the best candidates (as far as I am concerned) are those who
 say that salary is not the main criterion - what work are you going to
 give me?

While I completely agree with you on this, just FYI, Google (US, don't
know about India) pays considerably less than the industry standards
but makes it up with the perks.

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Re: [BangPypers] refactoring

2010-12-05 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 [dubious aside: remember this one?

 There once was a master programmer who wrote unstructured programs. A novice
 programmer, seeking to imitate him, also began to write unstructured
 programs. When the novice asked the master to evaluate his progress, the
 master criticized him for writing unstructured programs, saying, ``What is
 appropriate for the master is not appropriate for the novice. You must
 understand the Tao before transcending structure.

http://www.canonical.org/~kragen/tao-of-programming.html for more
koans like the one above.

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Re: [BangPypers] What kind of applications can we develop with Python

2010-12-01 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 one that I know of is flickr. About the power of the language there are
 others on this list who can better articulate.

Flickr is written in PHP.

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Re: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python

2010-08-24 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Without making any change whatsoever to multi() and multi_method(),
 the result of the following code :

 # Declare the existence of a multi method switcher
 encounter = multi(lambda x,y : (x[Species], y[Species]))

 @multi_method(encounter, (Bunny,Lion))
 def encounter(a1, a2):
    return run-away

 @multi_method(encounter, (Lion,Bunny))
 def encounter(a1, a2):
    return eat

 @multi_method(encounter, (Bunny,Bunny))
 def encounter(a1, a2):
    return mate

 @multi_method(encounter, (Lion,Lion))
 def encounter(a1, a2):
    return fight

 b1 = {Species : Bunny, Other : Stuff}
 b2 = {Species : Bunny, Other : Stuff}
 l1 = {Species : Lion, Other : Stuff}
 l2 = {Species : Lion, Other : Stuff}

 print encounter(b1, b2)
 print encounter(b1, l1)
 print encounter(l1, b1)
 print encounter(l1, l2)

 *is
 *
 mate
 run-away
 eat
 fight

 Is that consistent with the expectations ?

Fair enough. Good work, Dhananjay.

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Re: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python

2010-08-23 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 While python's multimethod module allows function overloading based on
 types, here's another approach to do the same based on a switching function
 (clojure style) or on a set of conditions.

 Clojure style multimethod functions in
 pythonhttp://codeblog.dhananjaynene.com/2010/08/clojure-style-multi-methods-in-python/

Please don't claim that the above is `Clojure style multimethods'.
Clojure multimethods can dispatch on an arbitrary function of `the
arguments' given to the multimethod and not just on any arbitrary
function of `the properties of the object'.

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Re: [BangPypers] Clojure style multimethod functions in python

2010-08-23 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
Dhananjay,

 Could you help explain in light of the following (the argument lists are in
 bold). The switcher function is provided exactly the same arguments as the
 various multimethods. Probably something about clojure I am not aware of ?

 Dhananjay

 def multi(switcher_func):
     Declares a multi map based method which will switch to the
    appropriate function based on the results of the switcher func

    def dispatcher(*args, **kwargs):
        key = *switcher_func(*args, **kwargs)*
        func = dispatcher.dispatch_map[key]
        if func :
            return *func(*args,**kwargs)*
        else :
            raise Exception(No function defined for dispatch key: %s % key
 )
    dispatcher.dispatch_map = {}
    return dispatcher

Multimethods are supposed to dispatch on the ``value'' returned by the
dispatch function and not just when a specific condition is satisfied.
What will you do when there are multiple possibilities? Ideally, I
should be able to prefer a specific method to another one in case
there is some ambiguity. Yours will always pick the first one that
satisfies the condition, which is again dependent on the order in
which the code is evaluated.

For example, try implementing the following using your code -
http://clojure.org/runtime_polymorphism

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Re: [BangPypers] source

2010-08-16 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 in using virtualenv and some other python programs I see the use of
 'source' - google search does not throw up anything useful. What is
 'source'? is it python or something else, and where can I get a link to
 material on it?

It's a shell built-in and is equivalent to `.'.

http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Bourne-Shell-Builtins

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Re: [BangPypers] list problem

2010-07-23 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 For worst case and dataset in problem your script beats all.
 For simple but large data it's Anand's solution just slightly ahead.

 Wow.

Thanks for the info, Shekhar. I am happy :)

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Re: [BangPypers] python speed comparison

2010-07-23 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
Emil,

 Below given is solution to a puzzle(
 http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problemsid=14) in python and c

 Python:

 import time
 startT=time.time()
 maxlen=0
 longest=0
 for i in xrange(1,100):
  last=i
  cnt=0
  while(last  1):
  cnt=cnt+1
  if(last%2==0):
   last=last/2
  else:
   last=3*last+1
  if(cntmaxlen):
  maxlen=cnt
  longest=i
 print time taken (sec) : ,time.time()-startT
 print maxlen,longest

 Python Output:
 time taken (sec) :  99.4702298641
 524 837799

 C:

 #include stdio.h
 int main(int argc, char **argv)
 {
 int longest = 0;
 int maxlen = 0;
 int i;
 unsigned long last;
 for (i = 1; i = 100; i++)
 {
  last = i;
  int cnt = 0;
  while (last != 1)
  {
  cnt++;
   if (last % 2 == 0)
    last = last / 2;
  else
    last = 3 * last + 1;
  }
  if (cnt  maxlen)
  {
  maxlen = cnt;
  longest = i;
  }
 }
 printf(longest: %d (%d)\n, longest, maxlen);
 return 0;
 }


 My doubt is that in C the result comes in 1-2 sec but in python it takes 99
 secs.I don't expect python to be as fast as c but i cant understand why it
 should be so slow in python.i'm new to python so if there is better way to
 do the above prog in python please suggest.

Python is undoubtedly slower than C, more so when you use a naive
algorithm. Here is how I had solved this problem in Python on Jan,
2007 (had to really dig out the code from my archives) -

#!/usr/bin/env python

# Solution for problem #14 at Project Euler
# (http://projecteuler.net/index.php?section=problemsid=14)
# Author: Baishampayan Ghose b.gh...@gnu.org

length = 0
max = 0
start = 1

def cycle(x):
''' Calculate the max cycle length,
ensuring that everything is  1 million
'''
i = 1

while (x != 1):
if (x % 2 == 0):
x = x / 2
else:
x = 3*x + 1
i += 1

return i

for i in xrange(80, 84):
length = cycle(i)
if length  max:
max = length
start = i

print start

###

The above code gets the result in 1.7 seconds on my machine (the C
version takes 0.8 secs). The trick here was to calculate the range
properly, which you can arrive at by using some math.

Note that brute force approaches rarely work with project Euler
problems. There is most certainly some math involved somewhere which
can simplify your solution a lot.

Hope this helps.

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Re: [BangPypers] list problem

2010-07-22 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Suppose you have the following list:

 x =[['cat',10],['cat',20],['cat',30],['dog',5],['dog',1],['dog',3]]

 My problem is that i wish to obtain the following two dictionaries:
 xdictstart = {'cat':10, 'dog':1}
 xdictend = {'cat':30, 'dog':5}

 Any nice way to do the above? Thanks.

Don't know if this is nice, but I might want to solve this problem in
Python like this -

###
from collections import defaultdict

items = [['cat', 10], ['cat', 20], ['cat', 30], ['dog', 5], ['dog',
1], ['dog', 3]]
item_values = defaultdict(list) # this makes the values of this dict
lists by default

starts = {}
ends = {}

for k, v in items:
item_values[k].append(v)

for k in item_values:
starts[k] = min(item_values[k])
ends[k] = max(item_values[k])

print starts, ends
###

Feedback appreciated.

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Re: [BangPypers] Query generation engine/library

2010-03-09 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 I am looking for a a way to generate optimised queries in SQL (or
 SQL-like languages like Hadoop Pig) by chaining clauses such as where,
 group by, order by etc based on a set of (optimising) rules. Is there
 any such library in python which would let me do that. Example
 approach would be create a query object and then use some inbuilt
 method to generate the actual query before executing it.

 I will probably have to change whatever alternatives are so a good
 starting point would be helpful.

Take something like Django's ORM or SQLAlchemy and hack it until you
are satisfied :)

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Re: [BangPypers] Internationals getting Python/Programming Jobs

2010-02-05 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
  You also get Fosters here :)

[OT]
May be it's not common knowledge here in India, but nobody drinks
Foster's in Australia. Whatever we see in the ads here is all
propaganda :)

Having said that, I would recommend Rory to consider moving to Pune,
India. It has the right blend of tech. community, peaceful life, work
opportunities, infrastructure and nice weather. It's also cheaper than
the so-called metro cities.

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Re: [BangPypers] How should I do it?

2010-01-15 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 It is a clever hack, taking advantage of the nature of the data. But
 it is far more faster than the other approaches posted here.

I thought eval was evil :)

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Re: [BangPypers] Why do indians copy?

2009-10-15 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Why do indian programmers ask for code in  Usenet (particularly Google
 groups) ?

Most Indian programmers were never supposed to be programmers. They
simply lack the cognitive skills required to be in the business. Yet
they are the ones who work for large/medium/small software service
companies. So when they face a problem, they have absolutely no clue
as to where to look for solutions. They also have no idea about the
various programming communities and their modus operandi. They just
join some random group and ask for solutions (it's akin to asking for
some software in some shareware group).

The problem is also inside the organisations; people who ask their
seniors questions are deemed to be fools, etc.

I think there is no solution to this specific problem. It's more of a
culture issue. Unless and until parents let their children do whatever
they want and the society treats people from all professions equally,
people will keep flocking into the most fashionable profession of that
decade. Computer programming is on its way out... management is much
more fashionable now; the only difference is that a programmer's work
revolves around the Internet and the Internet never forgets :)

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Re: [BangPypers] [OT] Guido's Tweet on Top Posting

2009-09-11 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 why? in the first place I am extremely sensitive to top posting, but have 
 never
 used usenet or been in a C forum. I only learned about interleaved posting in
 about 2002 or so. And the vast majority of people online now have similar
 experience to mine. And also the vast majority of top posters do so not out of

Just because you came late does not mean you can't have the same
sensibilities of the Usenet era. In short, many people who joined the
mailing list bandwagon recently have learnt the right etiquette from
others and by noticing how inline, contextual postings are much better
than top posting.

Others, unfortunately fail to accept it; they are simply too lazy to
be courteous to others. I would blame the webmail clients for that
though. They are simply not smart enough to put the cursor in the
right place (which is below the quote). Thunderbird does that nicely.

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Re: [BangPypers] HTML Parsing in python

2009-09-10 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Can anyone suggest me a good library for html parsing in python ?
 I googled a found few libararies BeautifulSoup, HTMLParser, SGMLParser etc.

 Can anyone suggest me which should I go for from your experience.

BeautifulSoup was OK, but now it's broken. Use lxml, it's very good.

http://codespeak.net/lxml/

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Re: [BangPypers] Any python metaclasses for UID

2009-07-29 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 I think I just fell down the rabbit hole.

I think BangPypers just got its own John Harrop.

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Re: [BangPypers] Any python metaclasses for UID

2009-07-29 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
I didn't call _you_ Jo[h]n Harrop, man :) I called the OP a troll
because his question is pretty much meaningless and is causing
unnecessary irritation.

May be it was because of the way I quoted the mail. Sorry for the confusion :-p

Regards,
BG

On 7/30/09, Roshan Mathews rmath...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Baishampayan Ghoseb.gh...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 I think I just fell down the rabbit hole.

 I think BangPypers just got its own John Harrop.

 Jon, I think you mean (although there is a John Harrop in the Clojure
 community), in which case I'm guessing you're trying hard to say I'm
 trolling (like the JH in comp.lang.lisp) ... except I wasn't, I just
 wanted context.  Something which Noufal seemed to pull out of thin
 air.

 Roshan
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Re: [BangPypers] Any python metaclasses for UID

2009-07-29 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 May be it was because of the way I quoted the mail. Sorry for the confusion
 :-p

 top posting almost invariably causes confusion - an excellent way of making
 sure no one knows what you are talking about

Hehe :) I for one merely wanted to add to Roshan's sentiment by
drawing an analogy with the usual way in which Jon Harrop traumatises
different mailing lists.

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Re: [BangPypers] CPython's 'bignum' Implementation

2009-05-15 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Now, how does CPython implement bignum? From what I gather, there is
 more than way of doing it- using a different radix (base),  an array
 of numbers. One hint is given by
 http://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0237/. However, if any of you folks
 know something concrete, I would appreciate it.

I have given a cursory glance to the Python code base and I think I
know how it's implemented :)

My findings are here -
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/867393/how-do-languages-such-as-python-overcome-cs-integral-data-limits/870429#870429

I would appreciate a few up-votes if you deem my answer to be satisfying :-p

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Re: [BangPypers] Joins with Django

2009-05-06 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 I am trying to learn django and write a small application. I am facing issue
 in executing a join with django.
 I am able to find a work around by executing a raw SQL query using cursor.
 But that have problem that I need to access fields using
 object.0' or 'object.1'  which is too verbose and error prone.

 Is there better way of doing the same thing or executing joins using Django
 models.

 here is my table structure

 table 1 : Company
 id = IntField
 name = CharField

 table 2 : Schmes
 id = Int field
 Name = CharFiled
 comp_id = ForeignKey (company)

 table 3 : Price

 scheme_id = ForeignKey(Schemes)
 price  = CharField()
 Date  = DateTimeField()

 I want to execute a query on the price table where I can select the price of
 all the schemes for the specified company.

 something like this if I write SQL :

 select price from Price, Schemes, Company where Price.scheme_id = Scheme.id
 and Scheme.comp_id = Company.id and Company.id = 1.

Puneet,

Try something like this:

company = Company.objects.get(name=foocorp)
prices = Price.objects.filter(scheme_id__comp_id=company)

You can use __ (double underscores) to span relationships.

The Docs have more:
http://docs.djangoproject.com/en/dev/topics/db/queries/#lookups-that-span-relationships

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Re: [BangPypers] Cloud Camp at IIM Bangalore on March 29

2009-03-13 Thread Baishampayan Ghose
 Would anyone be interested in Giving a talk on Google App-Engine ?

I can talk on GAE.

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