[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Anthony and all, I also very much enjoy that old recording of AB on EMI Reflexe. A great, old recording. Your statement that "(although, I imagine that with his 76cm lute pure gut basses should also work well)" is in complete agreement with my recent experimentation. As you know, I have been doing some experimentation on my "French" lute, which is now one year old. It is 67.5 cm 11-course Frei. Recently, I put on plain gut, down to the 10th course (actually, Pistoys on the 5th, and Pistoy fundamentals on 6-10) The 11th course still has a loaded gut fundamental from Mimmo. That is the only metal I have on this lute, and I want to say that I am quite happy with the sound of the pure (Pistoy) gut, i.e., without metal). In fact, I prefer it to loaded gut. I just have not gotten around to trying the 11th fundamental in pure gut, but when I do, I think it will work just fine. String makers have done a terrific job in research and production of incorporating of metal into gut, but for my 11-course lute with no bass extension, is very nice indeed. using pure gut. They do not sound "tubby" at all. Unfortunately, I have not recorded this instrument yet, but will, using this stringing configuration. In my opinion, at least when discussing French baroque lute music, this is certainly worth trying. Another factor I have just made a huge modification on the 11-course lute. I have just installed planetary gears, instead of pegs. I know some people disapprove of this, but for many reasons, I am very, very happy with the results. They are expensive - that is a drawback. The thing is, friction pegs can be problematic, and even the best ones, perfectly fitted, do slip a little but. These "pegs" look _exactly_ like an ebony lute peg, but then _never_ slip or stick. They are geared to 25% of the turning of a friction peg; in other words, one must turn 4 times the distance one would turn using a friction peg. This makes tuning much, much more accurate, and it does not stick, and the action is very fluid. The weight is identical to a lute peg, so no weight is added. With these gears, it is actually, a joy to tune! Sometimes with friction pegs, I may be more hesitant to make micro-adjustments in tuning, but with planetary gears, they are so smooth, fast, and accurate, it seems as though my lute sounds so much better, as it is little to nothing to finely adjust the tuning. I now have my 2 favorite instruments in these gears - my vihuela, and 11-course lute. In short, it is a winning combination - the beautiful sound in gut, with greatly improved tuning. ed At 10:07 AM 3/16/2012, Anthony Hind wrote: >Dear All >Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; >IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. >After that I was hooked. >I have enjoyed his recent CDs (although I had not yet heard this, his >most recent one), but regret that the recordings (in particular "Old >Gautiers Nightinghall") do seem to have become a little more >reverberant, which may take away somewhat from his recent excellent >string choices on the Wengerer: Nick Baldock trebles, Dan Larson, Lyons >Meanes, and Mimmo Peruffo loaded basses (v AB seems to be >one of the few pioneers still experimenting seriously in gut stringing. >% >Indeed, Anthony B. has always had an experimental atttitude to historic >research. In his excellent article for Lute News 85, April 2008, he >said, of the old Bologna lutes so sought after by the French, that >Trichet tells us "French lute players were looking for instruments >which were very resonant, and capable of sustain"; and he goes on to >tell us of his experience of playing old lutes, "The last, and most >important point is that notes on such instruments have more sustain >coupled with a more gradual and even decay to the sound. This is >particularly important as it can give the impression that a note sounds >on longer than it actually does." >In his Gaultier recordings, AB considers this so necessary to his >interpretation of this music that he appears willing to sacrifice ideal >string length (and possibly barring), adopting the 76cm historic Wenger >lute, just for the greater sustain this vintage lute affords. >% >Jakob Lindberg seems to confirm AB's experience, claiming two almost >contradictory characteristics for his Rauwolf: "this has exactly what I >want. It has that clarity but also sustain, which is amazing". >% >It seems to be the function of this quality that AB is seeking to study >with his recent recordings, at the expense of any characteristic >specifically associated with more usual string lengths of around 68 cm >(as correctly suggested by Martyn). Of course one might have preferred >AB to have discovered another 69.5 cm Rauwolf, Greiff (or what
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Mathias You seem to regret having been hooked by Anthony Bailes' LP recording of 'Pieces de luth (and almost to to "blame me" for reminding you of it). I am sorry if that was a painful experience for you: % "All my prejudices were set, and I was sent for a long way." Mathias % Personally, it did not determine my whole approach to French Baroque music, but opened up a new area of interest, nothing closed, or set. I hope I remain constantly in an open attitude (certainly I am too full of doubts to be set in anything). % You are correct, the article in Lute News 85, April 2008, was Chris Goodwin's written version of AB's talk, which unfortunately I did not hear, but I presume that AB read it prior to printing. I think I can safely quote it (particularly as the points I make are also made in the notes of his CDs) I am sorry if you were not able to read the liner notes or the article. % He does mention his stringing in all the booklets relating to the Wengerer lute (his last two CDs), but as I made clear, he says nothing about th stringing of the 12c lute (a pity). I am sorry that you didn't remember it. Yes I read all the interesting discussion between AB and Martyn, and that is implied in my message (but I couldn't quote everything). % I did not say the "article" was experimental, as you can tell if you read your own quote (there is a full stop here not a semi-colon): >Indeed, Anthony B. has always had an experimental atttitude to historic >research. In his excellent article for Lute News 85, April 2008, he % In the "article" he puts forward an interesting hypothesis for hand position near the bridge. I won't quote, but it is more or less that the slightly veiled quality of the old lutes calls for extra clarity (position near bridge) He also goes on to talk about the importance of sustain for this music, which can be achieved using old lutes (as explained in the talk and in his notes). The experimental approach came before and after the article : his experimenting these hypotheses directly with old lutes culminated in these recordings. % ">Jakob Lindberg seems to confirm AB's experience, claiming two almost >contradictory characteristics for his Rauwolf: "this has exactly what I >want. It has that clarity but also sustain, which is amazing". % "Not sure what Mr Bailes experience really was or is. I'd be curious what his answer to your statement would be. " Mathias % It is clear in Chris Goodwin's resume: "The last, and most important point is that notes on such instruments have more sustain coupled with a more gradual and even decay to the sound. This is particularly important as it can give the impression that a note sounds on longer than it actually does." (Lute News 85, Avril 2008). % However, if you read his liner notes to the records you will find he makes exactly the same points: I don't have the English quote to hand, but this is what he says in French: "de plus un instrument ancien a plus de soutien, particulierement dans l'aigu". et il affirme, " Toutes ces qualites sont benefiques (certains diraient cruciales) `a la performance du repertoire presente ici (Rhetorique des Dieux), particulierement quand le luth est accorde de la meme fac,on qu'il l'aurait ete au XVIIe siecle". % Let us say that this is almost exactly the same point made in his talk above. % I have invented nothing, just based my thoughts on his remarks in the talk and his notes to the records (I am sorry you were unable to read them). Anthony __ De : Mathias Roesel A : baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Envoye le : Vendredi 16 mars 2012 17h57 Objet : [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Anthony Hind! >Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; >IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. >After that I was hooked. So was I at the time. All my prejudices were set, and I was sent for a long way. >I have enjoyed his recent CDs (although I had not yet heard this, his >most recent one), but regret that the recordings (in particular "Old >Gautiers Nightinghall") do seem to have become a little more >reverberant, which may take away somewhat from his recent excellent >string choices on the Wengerer: Nick Baldock trebles, Dan Larson, Lyons >Meanes, and Mimmo Peruffo loaded basses (although, I imagine that with I don't seem to remember he mentioned his distinct choice of strings in the booklet. >Indeed, Anthony B. has always had an experimental atttitude to historic >research. In his excellent article for Lute News 85, April
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Anthony Hind! >Anthony Bailes LP recording of 'Pieces de luth'; EMI REFLEXE; >IC 06330938, was my introduction to French baroque lute music. >After that I was hooked. So was I at the time. All my prejudices were set, and I was sent for a long way. >I have enjoyed his recent CDs (although I had not yet heard this, his >most recent one), but regret that the recordings (in particular "Old >Gautiers Nightinghall") do seem to have become a little more >reverberant, which may take away somewhat from his recent excellent >string choices on the Wengerer: Nick Baldock trebles, Dan Larson, Lyons >Meanes, and Mimmo Peruffo loaded basses (although, I imagine that with I don't seem to remember he mentioned his distinct choice of strings in the booklet. >Indeed, Anthony B. has always had an experimental atttitude to historic >research. In his excellent article for Lute News 85, April 2008, he That was not an article, it was Chris Goodwin's written version of a talk that Mr Bailes had held before the British Lute Society. It was an excellent talk IMO, but I cannot see the experimental approach in it. >In his Gaultier recordings, AB considers this so necessary to his >interpretation of this music that he appears willing to sacrifice ideal >string length (and possibly barring), adopting the 76cm historic Wenger >lute, just for the greater sustain this vintage lute affords. That is still another approach. Did you note the exchange between Mr Bailes and Martyn Hodgson about the subject? >Jakob Lindberg seems to confirm AB's experience, claiming two almost >contradictory characteristics for his Rauwolf: "this has exactly what I >want. It has that clarity but also sustain, which is amazing". Not sure what Mr Bailes experience really was or is. I'd be curious what his answer to your statement would be. And so on. Sorry, not enough time for this ... Mathias To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE]Spotify . . .
> the case, too, that even when things are done legally, the artist is at > the end of the queue for picking up their meagre share of the takings. Artists usually pay to record cds these days. In return they receive a number of cds to sell by themsleves. Depending on the name/popularity of the artist, the deal can be that the record company will pay more and the artist less, or the artist will get more or less cds. So if you want to make sure Tony gets something for his efforts, you'd better buy directly from him, and not from he label. But, buying from the label will increase the chances that the label is interested in recording another cd with him. So, buy two cds! David -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl *** To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Mathias, Interesting. As said, I don't think any reasonably sized lute is 'wrong': it's more a matter of what might have been generally expected at the particular time. My comments relate principally to French lute music of the mid/late 17th century (as on Anthony Bailes's CD) so other schools and periods such as those you mention (Mace and early 17th century French lutenists) may well have used the size of lute you prefer for this repertoire; such as the double headed Wolf lute (late 16th century? original) with stopped strings at 63cm. One other problem with using the 1722 Wenger instrument for earlier French repertoire is that the barring in the lower part of the belly which does not fit the models of that found on early 16th century lutes so esteemed by the 17th century French (see Lute News). Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Mathias Roesel wrote: From: Mathias Roesel Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "baroque-lute mailing-list" Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 12:10 > Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of >heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length >of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a >gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present >manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions >of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at >the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had >a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines >the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in >mid/late 17th century France). I was as foolhardy as to choose the Wolf lute in Fuessen (63 cm) for not only Mace, but also Panmure (4, 5, 8), Pierre Gaultier, Dufaut, Bouvier, Mesangeau et al. The music gets a light and bright touch, and I do like it very much. Mace has kinda fixed pitches and possibly mirrors habits of the 1640ies in French-influenced England. Mathias > But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) >"Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on >such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being >challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, >articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the >left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more >a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". >Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony >Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on >this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact >refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument. --- On >Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2][1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >From: William Samson <[3][2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>Subject: >[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDTo: "Martyn Hodgson" ><[4][3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "[5][4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" ><[6][5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>,"Edward Martin" ><[7][6]e...@gamutstrings.com>Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi >Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? >Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][8][7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >To: [2][9][8]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin ><[3][10][9]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDDear Edward, > Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe > forover a year.Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later >agreed (see letters in Lute Newsfrom No 94, August 2010 >on), the large Wenger lute used on therecording (if indeed it >was built as a lute and not a gallichon - theinstruments for >which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable(or >appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th >century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th > century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. > Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the >sizeof the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for >theperformance of 17th century French lute music,..' >regardsMartyn--- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin ><[1][4][11][10]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Good point Rob rgds Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Rob MacKillop wrote: From: Rob MacKillop Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "William Samson" Cc: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 12:01 Will I be shot down in flames by suggesting you don't use Spotify? The thing is a massive rip off. The musician gets almost nothing for being on it. Lady Gaga had over a million plays on it, and received just over 100 dollars. Imagine what Anthony Bailes would receive... Many musicians are boycotting the site, including Bob Dylan, who doesn't need the money, but wants to support other artists. We all want something for free, but sometimes the cost is too high. I'm not talking about the income musicians get from CDs, which is very small in our lute world, but the record companies will not bother making any more lute recordings is even we as lute players do not support them. Sorry, Bill. I know you bought the disc, so full marks there. But I want others to think about using Spotify, what it entails. Sadly, I'm also on Spotify - I had no control over it, and didn't even know I was there until someone asked for a free score of pieces he was listening to me play on Spotify...and got annoyed at me when I said no. Rob MacKillop On 16 March 2012 11:31, William Samson <[1][1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Martyn, Go to [1][2]www.spotify.com where you can download the player onto your computer. There are then two options - you can go for the free version which has occasional ads between tracks, or the paid version that is ad-free. Being a Scotsman I put up with the ads! Best wishes, Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[3][2]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: William Samson <[4][3]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 11:17 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Thanks Bill - how does one access spotify? rgds M--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[5][4]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <[6][5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[7][6]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 10:38 I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you have access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how things are elsewhere. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[8][7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "[9][8]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[10][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Edward Martin <[11][10]e...@gamutstrings.com>; William Samson <[12][11]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 9:04 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being out ov
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
> Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of >heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length >of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a >gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present >manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions >of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at >the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had >a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines >the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in >mid/late 17th century France). I was as foolhardy as to choose the Wolf lute in Füssen (63 cm) for not only Mace, but also Panmure (4, 5, 8), Pierre Gaultier, Dufaut, Bouvier, Mesangeau et al. The music gets a light and bright touch, and I do like it very much. Mace has kinda fixed pitches and possibly mirrors habits of the 1640ies in French-influenced England. Mathias > But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) >"Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on >such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being >challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, >articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the >left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more >a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". >Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony >Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on >this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact >refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument. --- On >Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: >From: William Samson <[3]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>Subject: >[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDTo: "Martyn Hodgson" ><[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>,"[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" ><[6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>,"Edward Martin" ><[7]e...@gamutstrings.com>Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi >Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? >Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> >To: [2][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin ><[3][10]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDDear Edward, > Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe > forover a year.Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later >agreed (see letters in Lute Newsfrom No 94, August 2010 >on), the large Wenger lute used on therecording (if indeed it >was built as a lute and not a gallichon - theinstruments for >which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable(or >appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th >century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th > century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. > Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the >sizeof the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for >theperformance of 17th century French lute music,..' >regardsMartyn--- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin ><[1][4][11]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward Martin ><[2][5][12]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne >Anthony Bailes CD To: [3][6][13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu >Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50Dear Ones,For >those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque > lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee >label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works > of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic >luteby Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog >number isRAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual >outlets.This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument >is a largeone, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, >in essencemaking it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and >playing, highlyrecommended.edEdward Martin >2817 East 2nd StreetDuluth, Minnesota 55812 >e-mail: [1][4][7][14]e...@gamutstrings.comvoice: (218) 728-1202 > >[2][5][8][15]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name >[3][6][9][16]http://www.myspace.com/edslute >[4][7][10][17]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martinTo get >on or off this list see list information at >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
>Dear Martyn, >>Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for >>over a year. > > >I think you confuse it with some other recording. (Old Gautiers >Nightinghall?) > >This one is quite new. > >[1]www.ramee.org/1104gb.html >best regards > >Bernd To be precise, the argument in the Lute News was about "Gaultier. Apollon Orateu", RAM 0904. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Will I be shot down in flames by suggesting you don't use Spotify? The thing is a massive rip off. The musician gets almost nothing for being on it. Lady Gaga had over a million plays on it, and received just over 100 dollars. Imagine what Anthony Bailes would receive... Many musicians are boycotting the site, including Bob Dylan, who doesn't need the money, but wants to support other artists. We all want something for free, but sometimes the cost is too high. I'm not talking about the income musicians get from CDs, which is very small in our lute world, but the record companies will not bother making any more lute recordings is even we as lute players do not support them. Sorry, Bill. I know you bought the disc, so full marks there. But I want others to think about using Spotify, what it entails. Sadly, I'm also on Spotify - I had no control over it, and didn't even know I was there until someone asked for a free score of pieces he was listening to me play on Spotify...and got annoyed at me when I said no. Rob MacKillop On 16 March 2012 11:31, William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: Hi Martyn, Go to [1][2]www.spotify.com where you can download the player onto your computer. There are then two options - you can go for the free version which has occasional ads between tracks, or the paid version that is ad-free. Being a Scotsman I put up with the ads! Best wishes, Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: William Samson <[4]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 11:17 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Thanks Bill - how does one access spotify? rgds M--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[5]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <[6]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 10:38 I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you have access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how things are elsewhere. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: "[9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[10]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; Edward Martin <[11]e...@gamutstrings.com>; William Samson <[12]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 9:04 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument. --- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2][13]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <[3][14]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDTo: "Martyn Hodgson" <[4][15]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "[5][16]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[6][17]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>,"Edward Martin" <[7][18]e...@gamutstrings.com>Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Hi Martyn, Go to [1]www.spotify.com where you can download the player onto your computer. There are then two options - you can go for the free version which has occasional ads between tracks, or the paid version that is ad-free. Being a Scotsman I put up with the ads! Best wishes, Bill From: Martyn Hodgson To: William Samson Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 11:17 Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Thanks Bill - how does one access spotify? rgds M--- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson wrote: From: William Samson Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 10:38 I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you have access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how things are elsewhere. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" ; Edward Martin ; William Samson Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 9:04 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument. --- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <[3]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDTo: "Martyn Hodgson" <[4]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>,"[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>,"Edward Martin" <[7]e...@gamutstrings.com>Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][8]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: [2][9]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin <[3][10]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CDDear Edward, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe forover a year.Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute Newsfrom No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on therecording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon - theinstruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable(or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the sizeof the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for theperformance of 17th century French lute music,..' regardsMartyn--- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin <[1][4][11]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward Martin <[2][5][12]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: [3][6][13]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50Dear Ones,For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic luteby Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Martyn, >Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for >over a year. I think you confuse it with some other recording. (Old Gautiers Nightinghall?) This one is quite new. [1]www.ramee.org/1104gb.html best regards Bernd -- References 1. http://www.ramee.org/1104gb.html To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
I just found that this album can be listened to on Spotify if you have access to it. It's free to use in the UK, but I can't say how things are elsewhere. Bill From: Martyn Hodgson To: "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" ; Edward Martin ; William Samson Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 9:04 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument. --- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson <[1]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote: From: William Samson <[2]willsam...@yahoo.co.uk> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[3]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk>, "[4]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" <[5]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "Edward Martin" <[6]e...@gamutstrings.com> Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1][7]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: [2][8]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin <[3][9]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Edward, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for the performance of 17th century French lute music,..' regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin <[1][4][10]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward Martin <[2][5][11]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: [3][6][12]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones, For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly recommended. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [1][4][7][13]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [2][5][8][14]http://www.facebook
[BAROQUE-LUTE] What lutes for 17th century French music was: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Hi Bill, This is indeed a fascinating subject (hence the change of heading). I am told variously that the 1722 Wenger has a string length of 76 or 77cm. It may at some stage have been converted (from a gallichon perhaps?) to a 13 course lute before the present manifestation as an 11 course instrument . Again see earlier editions of Lute News for more information/views. The preferred instruments at the time (ie converted early 16th cenury Italian lutes) generally had a string length of 68 +/-2cm. See Lute News 94, page 28 which outlines the principle sources of evidence for the size of lutes preferred in mid/late 17th century France). But bear in mind (as Lute News notes) "Of course, this is not to say that it is 'wrong' to play the music on such a large lute and, indeed, the French repertoire whilst being challenging for interpretation (precise phrasing, accent, articulation, mannerisms and the like), is much less demanding for the left hand and a large instrument is clearly quite possible: it's more a question of what the Old Ones themselves might have expected". Incidentally, I make no comment one way or the other on Anthony Bailes's performance. regards Martyn PS the CD of music played on this instrument which I reported as being out over a year ago in fact refers to a previous CD played on the same instrument. --- On Fri, 16/3/12, William Samson wrote: From: William Samson Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: "Martyn Hodgson" , "baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu" , "Edward Martin" Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 8:33 Hi Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson <[1]hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk> To: [2]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin <[3]e...@gamutstrings.com> Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Edward, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for the performance of 17th century French lute music,..' regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin <[1][4]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward Martin <[2][5]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: [3][6]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones, For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly recommended. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [1][4][7]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [2][5][8]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name [3][6][9]http://www.myspace.com/edslute [4][7][10]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at [5][8][11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9][12]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to%C3%AD@gamutstrin gs.com 2. [10][13]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name 3. [11][14]http://www.myspace.com/edslute 4. [12][15]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin 5. [13][16]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:[17]e...@gamutstrings.com 2. mailto:[18]e...@gamutstrings.com 3. mailto:[19]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:[20]e..
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Hi Martyn, Do you know what the string length of the Wenger is? Bill From: Martyn Hodgson To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; Edward Martin Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 8:08 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Edward, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for the performance of 17th century French lute music,..' regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin <[1]e...@gamutstrings.com> wrote: From: Edward Martin <[2]e...@gamutstrings.com> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: [3]baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones, For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly recommended. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [1][4]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [2][5]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name [3][6]http://www.myspace.com/edslute [4][7]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at [5][8]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. [9]http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to%c3...@gamutstrings.com 2. [10]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name 3. [11]http://www.myspace.com/edslute 4. [12]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin 5. [13]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com 2. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com 3. mailto:baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu 4. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com 5. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name 6. http://www.myspace.com/edslute 7. http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin 8. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html 9. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to%c3...@gamutstrings.com 10. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name 11. http://www.myspace.com/edslute 12. http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin 13. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Dear Edward, Thank you for this notice: in fact this CD has been out in Europe for over a year. Unfortunately, as Anthony Bailes later agreed (see letters in Lute News from No 94, August 2010 on), the large Wenger lute used on the recording (if indeed it was built as a lute and not a gallichon - the instruments for which Wenger was best known) is not the most suitable (or appropriate) type of instrument for playing the mid/late 17th century French repertoire. As you'll know, conversions of early 16th century Italian instruments were then the most highly regarded. Indeed, in Lute News 95 Anthony Bailes writes: '..a lute the size of the Wenger should not find acceptance as being ideal for the performance of 17th century French lute music,..' regards Martyn --- On Fri, 16/3/12, Edward Martin wrote: From: Edward Martin Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Friday, 16 March, 2012, 2:50 Dear Ones, For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly recommended. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [1]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [2]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name [3]http://www.myspace.com/edslute [4]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://us.mc817.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to%c3...@gamutstrings.com 2. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name 3. http://www.myspace.com/edslute 4. http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Ne Anthony Bailes CD
Thank you for the heads-up, Ed. I just checked and the CD won't be available in the UK until April 23rd. Pre-ordering is possible though! Tony is certainly covering the repertoire, isn't he? Interesting that he uses A70. It's really all you can do when you use a gut chanterelle on a lute of that size - unless you want to be renewing it every other day. Am I right in remembering that several MSS call the 'D-minor' tuning 'Be-mol'? That would seem to be perfectly accurate in terms of our modern pitch standard :o). I'm sure that's not what Be-mol means, of course, but it's a nice conceit. Seriously, though, some of us still choose to use screaming pitches for our lute tuning rather than relying on what our guts tell us. Bill From: Edward Martin To: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Friday, 16 March 2012, 2:50 Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Ne Anthony Bailes CD Dear Ones, For those on the list who enjoy well played 11-course French baroque lute, there is a new release by Abthony Bailes, on the Ramee label. it is entitled, 'Une Douceur violente", and it contains works of Mouton and Gallot. He recorded this program on his authentic lute by Georgi Ferdinand Wenger, Augsburg, 1722. The catalog number is RAM 1104, and it is available in the USA, in usual outlets. This is an announcement, not a review. The instrument is a large one, and the pitch is consequently quite low, at a70, in essence making it in a b-minor tuning. Beautiful sound and playing, highly recommended. ed Edward Martin 2817 East 2nd Street Duluth, Minnesota 55812 e-mail: [1]e...@gamutstrings.com voice: (218) 728-1202 [2]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name [3]http://www.myspace.com/edslute [4]http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin To get on or off this list see list information at [5]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. mailto:e...@gamutstrings.com 2. http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id60298871&ref=name 3. http://www.myspace.com/edslute 4. http://magnatune.com/artists/edward_martin 5. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
