Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Bucky Junior]

On Apr 28, 2010, at 10:12 PM, David Kelly wrote:


The old BBEdit still works, so use it.



Here. Here.

My Aldus PageMaker still works--I think, but I would have to run it on  
a PC with Windoze 95. I've decided to use a fairly recent inDesign on  
my Mac. New features go with a newer machine and a better OS.


Bucky

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Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about "search from top"

[Bucky Junior]

There was a thread on this from September of 2008 titled 'What  
happened to "Start at Top"?' Probably more references as some people  
forgot to read it.


In version 9, you could change the behavior back to the V8 version in  
the preferences. I haven't gotten around to getting my point five  
update yet but imagine it still is there.


Try this link in the BBEdit-Talk archives. Plenty of discussion that  
should satisfy anyone's need to read.


Bucky





On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:29 PM, Bill Rowe wrote:


On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote:


I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5.



In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search
to start from the top of the file anymore.



Is there a way to do that?



I know about the wrap option, but that's different.


I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as to why  
you see the wrap option as "different". It you start a search from  
the start (top) of a file it obviously searches the entire file  
stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts from where the cursor  
is and searches through the file wrapping end to start till you get  
back to where the cursor is, isn't the end result the same? What am  
I missing here?


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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[David Kelly]

On Apr 28, 2010, at 7:19 AM, Emily wrote:

> I am a long-time user of BBEdit, and I am very disappointed that 9.5
> is not compatible with Tiger.


Not only that, the new versions no longer support MacOS 9.   :-)

What Bare Bones is doing makes perfect sense to me. If you do not update the OS 
then why should you update the applications? The old BBEdit still works, so use 
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Re: Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about "search from top"

[Bill Rowe]

On 4/28/10 at 5:53 PM, dougler...@gmail.com (douglerner) wrote:


I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5.



In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search
to start from the top of the file anymore.



Is there a way to do that?



I know about the wrap option, but that's different.


I don't have an answer to your question. But I am curious as to 
why you see the wrap option as "different". It you start a 
search from the start (top) of a file it obviously searches the 
entire file stopping for a hit. If the wrap option starts from 
where the cursor is and searches through the file wrapping end 
to start till you get back to where the cursor is, isn't the end 
result the same? What am I missing here?


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Upgraded from 8.72 to 9.5 and have a question about "search from top"

[douglerner]

I just upgraded from BBEdit 8.72 to BBEdit 9.5.

In the new search, I notice I can't do the CMD+T to force the search
to start from the top of the file anymore.

Is there a way to do that?

I know about the wrap option, but that's different.

Thanks,

doug

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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Gabriel K]

If you did like me and overwrote your copy of 9.3.1 with 9.5 before
reading that Tiger was no longer supported, you can download 9.3.1
again from http://pine.barebones.com/updaters/BBEdit_9.3.1.dmg


Gabriel

On Apr 28, 5:19 am, Emily  wrote:
> On Apr 27, 10:24 am, Rich Siegel  wrote:
>
> > Good { morning, afternoon, evening },
>
> > We are pleased to announce the release and immediate
> > availability of BBEdit 9.5. This is a free upgrade for anyone
> > using 9.0 through 9.3.1, and includes a number of new features,
> > refinements to existing features, and fixes for reported
> > problems. The high points of this new version are:
> > *** Please note that the system requirements have changed.
> > BBEdit 9.5 requires Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8, 10.6.3 or
> > later recommended). If you are running an older version of the
> > OS, Check for Updates will not offer you the new version.
>
> I am a long-time user of BBEdit, and I am very disappointed that 9.5
> is not compatible with Tiger.
>
> Emily
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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Stan Ulrich]

On 4/28/10, Emily wrote:

>I am a long-time user of BBEdit, and I am very disappointed that 9.5
>is not compatible with Tiger.

Poor Sprout!! I feel your pain, however, as a Eudora email user. We are hanging 
by our fingernails since it was abandoned years ago and barely limps by in 
Leopard/Snow.

I have told anyone who cared to hear me that I think SnowLeopard was the worst 
thing Apple did to its users since ever.

Unfortunately, in the move to 64-bit whatever, they are going to do what they 
do, and devil take the hindmost.

However, I think the move from Tiger to Leopard was painless and had some good 
things. So unless your hardware can't handle it, I'd go ahead. And if you don't 
have Leopard, I can send you ours, which I think is a Family Pak, so you can do 
up to 5 or something (not that they could tell anyhow). I see that Leopard 
requires a G4 at least. And it kills "Classic" but then, we'd stopped using any 
of that anyway (bye bye Hypercard, snif).

So let me know, and we can bring Leopard if you need/want it.

I'm still running Tiger on Cindy's 9-year-old Ti-Book, but that lives in Frisco 
and is only used to run titles at WBO.


Not sure if we know when you are moving/moved and where to. Not fun, I bet! You 
seemed rather settled-in on your hill there, but if you avoid the impending 
overhead noise in your new place, you are probably better off. Let us know what 
is happening and how you are feeling.

See you soonish, too! But it looks like we won't be connecting with the 
Campbellites and their friends and relations this time around. Maybe in 
June-July when we come back for that short trip with the operas at SFO.

Take care of yourself and your passenger ... we're thinking of you all the time.

love, dad

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Re: Grats on 9.5 & simple column question

[Matt Martini]

If you work with columns, you might want to try this little filter:

Save this as column.sh and put it into ~/Library/Application 
Support/BBEdit/Unix Support/Unix Filters

#!/bin/sh
column -t "$1"

This will columnize selected text.  Works wonders!

Matt


On Apr 28, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Toadling wrote:

> On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Steve Riggins wrote:
> 
>> I see BBEdit has a paste column feature, which does exactly what I
>> need, but I'd like it while typing.  ie, instead of the text coming
>> from the clipboard, it would come from the keyboard.
>> 

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Re: Grats on 9.5 & simple column question

[Toadling]

On Apr 28, 2010, at 8:38 AM, Steve Riggins wrote:

> I see BBEdit has a paste column feature, which does exactly what I
> need, but I'd like it while typing.  ie, instead of the text coming
> from the clipboard, it would come from the keyboard.
> 
> Am I missing how to do this?

You can accomplish this by using BBEdit's "Prefix/Suffix Lines..." command from 
the Text menu.

Select the columns of text you want to modify (see "rectangular selections" in 
the user manual, page 93). Note that this can optionally be a "zero-width" 
selection (i.e. a rectangular selection that doesn't actually contain any 
characters, just the area between two character columns).

Then select the "Prefix/Suffix Lines..." command from the Text menu. If you're 
using a "zero-width" selection, it doesn't matter if you use the prefix or 
suffix field. Also note the "insert" and "remove" options can be toggled with 
Command-I and Command-R (hold down the Command key to see available keyboard 
shortcuts).

I know some competing products allow you to type into a column selection and 
have the text appear on all selected lines. This would be a nice addition to 
BBEdit. But I find the "Prefix/Suffix Lines..." command to be as good, if not 
better, in most situations. I use it so much that I've set up a key combination 
for it; and holding the Option key with that shortcut allows me to apply the 
same modification over and over without the sheet opening.

Hope this helps.

-Dennis

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Re: Incremental regex searches. Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Alex Satrapa]

On 29/04/2010, at 05:51 , Fritz Anderson wrote:

> Okay, I now understand how it would work on a VT100. One more step...
> 
> How does this relate to "incremental search" as the term is understood in a 
> graphical UI

No difference at all since we're dealing with lines of text in both 
environments. The only time you'd match to the end of the document with a ".+" 
search is if you tried to match the entire content as a single line, or include 
\n in a pattern to match multiple times.

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Re: Open Dialog won't open Project file

[Lorin Rivers]

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Note to bug report/support pedants
**

If I had anything other than, “weird behavior sometimes” I would send a report. 
I send this post in hopes of finding others who are also experiencing similar 
issues and identifying a common thread.

*
Thank you

Prompted by Kendall's message…

Something quite odd is going on with BBEdit on my machine. Today I had a 
similar experience where my Project files wouldn't open. In fact, BBEdit (which 
will open soup cans) said it couldn't open Document files when I tried to open 
my (properly updated) bbprojectd files.

Also, I was having trouble with Saving files. One case, the file started out as 
untitled text n and I tried to save it as foo.html. Normally, the window's 
title bar (and other places) will reflect the "new" name. This time, no. I 
thought it had failed to save, but later discovered the foo.html file in its 
proper place.

at the same time, it seemed my keyboard shortcuts had gone brain dead. cmd-w 
did nothing, and so on.

Totally freaky. I quit and relaunched My Favorite Tool and all was well.

However, a similar thing had happened with a beta right before 9.5 came out and 
I had chalked it up to corrupt preferences since I couldn't fix BBEdit by 
quitting, logging out, restarting or shutting down and restarting. I ended up 
moving my prefs and application support folders, which DID fix it.

This reappearance of a similar problem is making me wonder.

Anyway, BOLO and try and figure out what you did to cause it if it happens to 
you.

On Apr 27, 2010, at 21:42 , Rich Siegel wrote:

> On 4/27/10 at 10:38 PM, angelw...@gmail.com (Kendall Conrad) wrote:
> 
>> Before the update, I created a project with the .bbproject extension.
> 
> Renaming the project to use the ".bbprojectd" filename extension will 
> probably solve your problem.
> 
> ".bbproject" was the extension for old-format projects, but a folder with 
> that extension isn't recognized as a project, whereas ".bbprojectd" should be.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> R.
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Re: Incremental regex searches. Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Fritz Anderson]

On 27 Apr 2010, at 6:31 PM, Alex Satrapa wrote:

> I've only ever used the "/" search command in VIM, is there another?
> 
> For what it's worth, the live-search-with-regex in VIM works like this:
> 
> Given the following text:
>> #
>> # Alex's ZSH environment
>> # $Id$
>> #
>> #  vim: ts=3 sw=3 noet 
>> #
> 
> When I type "/", VIM enters search mode. I have live search and highlights 
> turned on.
> 
> I start typing "# ", VIM highlights the first occurrence of that pattern from 
> the cursor to the end of line.
> 
> Continue typing out the regex "# .", the highlight covers the "# A" of "# 
> Alex's …"
> 
> Now type "*" to make the regex "# .*", the highlight covers the line "# 
> Alex's ZSH environment"
> 
> Now type "'" and the highlight only covers "# Alex'"


Okay, I now understand how it would work on a VT100. One more step...

How does this relate to "incremental search" as the term is understood in a 
graphical UI, where the user expects to see _all_ matches highlighted? What 
happens when the user types ".+", possibly on the way to adding more to the 
pattern? And do you have an opinion on whether that would be helpful? (I think 
it _might_, but I still doubt.)

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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Rich Siegel]

On 4/28/10 at 2:49 PM, krem...@kreme.com (LuKreme) wrote:

> Well, 5 years, almost exactly.

I sit corrected. Maybe it just feels like six. :-)

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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[LuKreme]

On 28-Apr-2010, at 06:32, Rich Siegel wrote:
> 
> On 4/28/10 at 8:19 AM, m5c...@gmail.com (Emily) wrote:
> 
>> I am a long-time user of BBEdit, and I am very disappointed that 9.5
>> is not compatible with Tiger.
> 
> At some point, we must trade the effort required to support a six-year-old OS 
> against the effort required to keep the product moving forward. We can't 
> always do both.

Well, 5 years, almost exactly. But the point is still fair.

I do have one machine that won't run Leopard (an iMac DV) but that machine is 
10 years old at least and I've never run BBEdit on it.


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Re: 9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

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Good morning,

On 28/04/10 at 6:54 AM -0700, stratboy  wrote:


If they're smart enough to promote new releases in this group, I guess
they're smart enough to carefully read bug reports here.
Anyway, if I'll have the time, I'll follow your suggestion. Thank you.


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Grats on 9.5 & simple column question

[Steve Riggins]

Grats to everyone on shipping 9.5!

I am a heavy column user (sounds like a problem, I know) but I find
myself using other products because I can type in a column selection
and have the same character inserted on each line of the column.

I see BBEdit has a paste column feature, which does exactly what I
need, but I'd like it while typing.  ie, instead of the text coming
from the clipboard, it would come from the keyboard.

Am I missing how to do this? Thanks!

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Re: 9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

[stratboy]

Done. Thank you.

On 28 Apr, 15:58, Tim Gray  wrote:
> On Apr 28, 2010 at 06:54 AM -0700, stratboy wrote:
>
> > If they're smart enough to promote new releases in this group, I guess
> > they're smart enough to carefully read bug reports here.
> > Anyway, if I'll have the time, I'll follow your suggestion. Thank you.
>
> They like an official email.  That way it goes right into the bug tracker.
>
> It's usually a quick process.  You can just forward the email you already
> wrote to .
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Re: 9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

[Tim Gray]

On Apr 28, 2010 at 06:54 AM -0700, stratboy wrote:

If they're smart enough to promote new releases in this group, I guess
they're smart enough to carefully read bug reports here.
Anyway, if I'll have the time, I'll follow your suggestion. Thank you.


They like an official email.  That way it goes right into the bug tracker.

It's usually a quick process.  You can just forward the email you already 
wrote to .


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Re: 9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

[stratboy]

If they're smart enough to promote new releases in this group, I guess
they're smart enough to carefully read bug reports here.
Anyway, if I'll have the time, I'll follow your suggestion. Thank you.


On 28 Apr, 15:39, AlanR  wrote:
> Same here
>
> On Apr 28, 9:11 am, stratboy  wrote:
>
> > Hi!
> > The closing  tag appears black, not blue. This seems that can
> > happen in all similar situations. I've seen it 2 times last hour, so
> > probably there's some syntax coloring problem.
>
> > Bye
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Re: 9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

[AlanR]

Same here

On Apr 28, 9:11 am, stratboy  wrote:
> Hi!

> The closing  tag appears black, not blue. This seems that can
> happen in all similar situations. I've seen it 2 times last hour, so
> probably there's some syntax coloring problem.
>
> Bye

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Re: 9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

[G. T. Stresen-Reuter]

On Apr 28, 2010, at 2:11 PM, stratboy wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> 
>   @import url(files/css/default.css);
>   @import url(files/css/shared.css);
>   @import url(files/css/menu.css);
>   @import url(files/css/home.css);
> 
> 
> The closing  tag appears black, not blue. This seems that can
> happen in all similar situations. I've seen it 2 times last hour, so
> probably there's some syntax coloring problem.
> 
> Bye

Hi.

I strongly suggest you send a complete bug report (including sample files) to 
supp...@barebones.com. If they're able to reproduce the bug they'll most-likely 
fix it in a future release. Just speaking from personal experience...

Ted Stresen-Reuter

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9.5 - problem in html syntax coloring

[stratboy]

Hi!


@import url(files/css/default.css);
@import url(files/css/shared.css);
@import url(files/css/menu.css);
@import url(files/css/home.css);


The closing  tag appears black, not blue. This seems that can
happen in all similar situations. I've seen it 2 times last hour, so
probably there's some syntax coloring problem.

Bye

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9.5 - still the same html tools?

[stratboy]

Hi! ! little thing - a feature request I made a long time ago: the
anchor tag html tool, still doesn't give me the opportunity of adding
a rel attribute. I think that maybe you should update all the (x)html
tools to reflect today's needs. Yesterday's, maybe, given that tools
like lightbox (that require the rel attribute) have out there for a
while now..

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Re: Defaulting to behavior of prior version?

[Kerri Hicks]

On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 5:46 PM, Greg Raven  wrote:
> In BBEdit 9.5, the documentation reads:
>
> "The ponies' saronite shoes have been reinforced with titanium, and
> have a buff applied which increases both ground and flight speed by
> 30%."
>
> Is there a Terminal.app command to restore the previous behavior on
> this?

No, but you can write a LUA script.

--Kerri

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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Rich Siegel]

On 4/28/10 at 8:19 AM, m5c...@gmail.com (Emily) wrote:


I am a long-time user of BBEdit, and I am very disappointed that 9.5
is not compatible with Tiger.


At some point, we must trade the effort required to support a 
six-year-old OS against the effort required to keep the product 
moving forward. We can't always do both.


Sorry,

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sedate me.


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Re: BBEdit 9.5

[Emily]

On Apr 27, 10:24 am, Rich Siegel  wrote:
> Good { morning, afternoon, evening },
>
> We are pleased to announce the release and immediate
> availability of BBEdit 9.5. This is a free upgrade for anyone
> using 9.0 through 9.3.1, and includes a number of new features,
> refinements to existing features, and fixes for reported
> problems. The high points of this new version are:

> *** Please note that the system requirements have changed.
> BBEdit 9.5 requires Mac OS X 10.5 or later (10.5.8, 10.6.3 or
> later recommended). If you are running an older version of the
> OS, Check for Updates will not offer you the new version.

I am a long-time user of BBEdit, and I am very disappointed that 9.5
is not compatible with Tiger.

Emily

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Call to community: Examples of AppleScript attachments

[Nik]

Do any of you use AppleScript attachments for menus, or for teh sexy
new event attachments?

If so, please chime in on what you're using them for. I've only found
occasional use for menu script attachments, but I'd love to know how
the rest of you are taking advantage of this capability.

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Re: Open Dialog won't open Project file

[Kendall Conrad]

Looks like I mistyped actually, my file does have that extension
already (.bbprojectd).

@Harald, thanks for that suggestion, unchecking "Show hidden files"
worked for me. I guess that makes sense in the event someone wanted to
edit those files inside. Thanks for the help guys.

-Kendall

On Apr 27, 10:42 pm, Rich Siegel  wrote:
> On 4/27/10 at 10:38 PM, angelw...@gmail.com (Kendall Conrad) wrote:
>
> >Before the update, I created a project with the .bbproject extension.
>
> Renaming the project to use the ".bbprojectd" filename extension
> will probably solve your problem.
>
> ".bbproject" was the extension for old-format projects, but a
> folder with that extension isn't recognized as a project,
> whereas ".bbprojectd" should be.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> R.
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Re: Definition Submenu showing garbage

[hkrems]

On 28 Apr., 12:08, Carlton Gibson  wrote:
> Surely this is (yet another) one of those emails that needs to go to 
> supp...@barebones.com.

That's what I did before posting here - including screenshot...
I'm interrested if others can confirm this strange behaviour of this
"Application"

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Re: Open Dialog won't open Project file

[hkrems]

On 28 Apr., 04:38, Kendall Conrad  wrote:
> I haven't used the Projects feature in BBEdit much, but recently
> started. A few hours ago I updated to BBEdit 9.5, so my issue may be
> related to this update, but I had not tried before this version. Since
> I already made the update, I can't check with the earlier version.
>
> Before the update, I created a project with the .bbproject extension.
> When I choose Open from the file menu and select the project file, it
> treats it as a folder and just shows me two files inside it
> (*.bbprojectsettings, *.bbprojectdata). Opening those files doesn't
> help of course. If I open the file from Finder (double click) or
> choose it from the Open Recent in BBEdit, it opens the project
> normally. I tried creating a new project file using v9.5 and re-
> opening it, but got the same results.
>
> Is this a new bug, or am I missing an option for opening projects?

try unchecking the [ ] show hidden files checkbox below the files
list.
if checked the project file is treated like a folder...

Hope this helps,
Harald

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Re: Definition Submenu showing garbage

[Carlton Gibson]

Surely this is (yet another) one of those emails that needs to go to 
supp...@barebones.com.
On 28 Apr 2010, at 11:06, hkrems wrote:

> BBedit 9.5 is out and they have made some interresting (hmm) changes
> in the 'Definitions' Submenu: now there are lots of entries pointing
> to
> 
> *.php:0 - /Application/BBEdit.app/Contents/Resources
> 
> and another magic location inside the folder
> ~/Library/Application Support/BBEdit/Completion Data/
> 
> These entries are useless, syntax-coloring is wrong and selecting them
> leads to MacOS Errors.
> 
> I hope Barebones is able to fix that better sooner than later.
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Definition Submenu showing garbage

[hkrems]

BBedit 9.5 is out and they have made some interresting (hmm) changes
in the 'Definitions' Submenu: now there are lots of entries pointing
to

*.php:0 - /Application/BBEdit.app/Contents/Resources

and another magic location inside the folder
~/Library/Application Support/BBEdit/Completion Data/

These entries are useless, syntax-coloring is wrong and selecting them
leads to MacOS Errors.

I hope Barebones is able to fix that better sooner than later.

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definitive tutorial on completion and language modules?

[stratboy]

Hi! I see these notes about 9.5:

- Compiled language modules may specify a new plist key:
BBLMCompletionTagsFileNames. This is an array of strings, each one
corresponding to the name of a file in the language module's Resources
directory. Each file (if present) is expected to be a valid tags file,
and is used when generating completions.

- There's a new placeholder format: <#* ... #>. This is used for
optional arguments generated during completion. It can be selected in
the usual fashion; and if you delete a selected optional-argument
placeholder with the Backspace key, BBEdit will delete any leading
whitespace, back to a preceding comma (if there is one).

- BBEdit now uses the ctags files in ~/Library/Application Support/
BBEdit/Completion Data/ for more than just completion: "Find
Definition" (and the contextual menu) will now include definitions
specified on those tags files (which is handy if you've built a tags
file from a Mac OS X or iPhone SDK); and symbols defined in the
central tags files will also appear in an appropriate color.

- Completion data dictionaries generated by language modules can now
contain an additional key: AutoIndentCompletionText. It's optional,
but if present signals the completion system that the completion text,
if multi-line, should be auto-indented according to where the
completion is inserted.

- BBEdit can now generate completions for include file names in C/C++/
ObjC/ObjC++ source files. (This applies when typing in an #include or
#import directive.) The data is sourced from the active Xcode project,
system headers and frameworks, and the directory containing the source
file in which you're completing.

So, to me it's not so clear. Maybe would be great to see a definitive
tutorial about all this  completion an language-related stuff, along
with the previews versions enhancements. :)

Bye!

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