ostriches

[mroboz]

There is a private golf course on a back road near 
Lillooet, British Columbia, Canada, which tests your skill not only to get the 
ball into the holes, but, to avoid hitting the ostriches that are grazing on the 
golf course. You have to travel along this road to read one of the few bd farms 
in BC.  Michael

Re: OFF: conspiracy

[Gil Robertson]

There is a problem with haveing your head in the sand. It tends to expose
other vulnerable parts.

D & S Chamberlain wrote:

> > Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand?
> > If they do, how successful of a ploy it is?
> >
> > -Allan
>
> Allan: Sorry mate we have Emus not Ostriches, but a lot of Aussies stick
> their head in the sand, seems to work well for them.
> David C

Re: OFF: Ostrich

[Gil Robertson]

Allan Balliett wrote:
Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand?

If they do, how successful of a ploy it is?

Hi! Allan, It may be better to ask some one in Africa, where the birds
live in the wild. We used to have at least one feral population here, near
Port Augusta, South Australia.  Hundred years or more ago, flocks grown
for women's hat feathers were turned loose when fashions changed. When the
yuppie meat market opened up ten years or so ago, they were rounded up and
farmed again. Now many of the ostrich farms are failing, so we may have
more flocks turned out into the bush. Those farming our native Emu are
also having a rough time.

I have visited Ostrich farms many times and even killed, dressed and eaten
them. I have never seen any behaviour, such as portrayed in Disney comics
and films. They are actually very interested in any action and take much
interest. On a friend's, he has wind breaks made of rows of the large
round hay bales around his fence lines. The ostriches gather and peer over
and watch every thing you do. It is strange to see the dozens of heads and
necks, bobbing along.

Of interest to me was to find that once an ostrich can not see, it becomes
passive. To catch them, a draw string bag is fitted on a ring on a long
handle. It is placed over the head and the string pulled. You approach the
bird from behind, as they kick forward and side ways, with the strength to
break a leg. If you grab the wing base, you can walk them around and
handle them quite easily for the size.

Gil

Re: OFF: conspiracy

[D & S Chamberlain]

> Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand?
> If they do, how successful of a ploy it is?
>
> -Allan

Allan: Sorry mate we have Emus not Ostriches, but a lot of Aussies stick
their head in the sand, seems to work well for them.
David C

Re: OFF: conspiracy

[Allan Balliett]

But the real irony is that even us disaffected counter-culture types 
play into the same game, painting a grim picture can calling it 
"realism". It's time we stopped contributing. Don't give your power 
to negative vibes.
Oh, and go see the movie if you have the chance.


You've lost me, Dave, where are the 'negative' vibes? Do you think 
that guys like Hugh Lovel who gives so much of his waking day to 
trying to teach other people how to re-create Eden in the 21st 
Century is negative?

I don't think Hugh's negative at all. I think he's issuing a wake up 
call. It's like the Ken Wilber example: once someone shows you where 
the 12 faces of the presidents are hidden in the drawing of a forest 
on your Big Boy's place mat, then you can see them all by yourself. 
They were right in front of your eyes the whole time, and yet your 
couldn't see them until someone pointed them out to you.

That's one of the short comings of good people, they can not imagine 
the extremes that bad people will go to. I think as long as so many 
people are comfortable refusing to look at the obvious and refusing 
to think the unthinkable, we're all headed for a very negative future.

Let's face it. The upper upper class no longer needs masses of people 
to support their lifestyle. Think about it. At one time large 
populations of people were a virtue, necessary for raw material 
extraction and hand and factory work to keep the rich rich and in 
fine things. Now masses of people represent a threat to the rulers of 
the rulers, machines of one sort or another can maintain their 
standard of living (or so they would think). Why tolerate your 
potential overthrowers when they can so easily be eliminated through 
their trust?  Gulags or, more likely, GMO or nano-based population 
leveling  plagues are easy to imagine in the very near future.

Hey, my OZ friends, do ostriches REALLY hide their heads in the sand? 
If they do, how successful of a ploy it is?

-Allan

OFF: conspiracy

[Dave Robison]

This off-topic thread is a bummer.
I just saw Michael Moore's "Bowling for Columbine", a
black-humor documentary asking why Americans are so violent. You have to
laugh to keep from crying. Moore's point is that our culture is unique in
emphasizing fear. No wonder we go off the deep end. 
But the real irony is that even us disaffected counter-culture types play
into the same game, painting a grim picture can calling it
"realism". It's time we stopped contributing. Don't give your
power to negative vibes.
Oh, and go see the movie if you have the chance.


David Robison

Re: Stick to beat organic farmers?

[Allan Balliett]

Pigs are thought to be the most likely to pick up an infection;  the 
Director of Veterinary Science on the US National Pork Board pointed 
out that more intensive indoor rearing reduces the risk but - here's 
the rub! - such gains could be reversed if organic farming becomes 
more common.

Tony, we shouldn't equate feedlot problems with organically pastured 
livestock. There is no equation. Although I agree with you, the 
industry will refer to outdoor feedlots as the source of ailment but 
push to inclose all livestock. That's happened with chickens in VA: 
Tyson's caged poultry gets horrible infectuous diseases so Tyson gets 
state funds to dispose of the millions of corpses and gets state 
legislation (or pushes for it) to end free living flocks such as we 
pastured poultry people keep.

These are shadey times. -Allan

Re: 9/11 conspiracy

[Barry Carter]

Dear Friends,

Here is a post I just sent to the Oxyplus email list which is also apropos 
to this discussion:

You are all describing much the same thing from different viewpoints. I am 
particular fond of Nina's description [see below] which uses concepts of 
frequency medicine to describe how we set up resonances which attract the 
things we belive strongly in. I would like to add to what Nina wrote.

It is very important here to make the distinction between wanting pain and 
choosing pain. When I drop a glass of water and then cut myself while 
picking up the pieces of glass I would not say that I wanted to cut myself 
but I would say that the cut was clearly a consequence of my choice to pick 
up the glass with my bare fingers. A smoker may continue to smoke despite 
the knowledge that smoking often has lung disease as a consequence. I would 
not say that the smoker wants lung cancer but if lung cancer happened to 
the smoker it would be clear that his or her actions brought about 
favorable conditions for lung cancer.

Every worldview that I know of has several sayings which express this. In 
the Christian worldview we have statements like:

"He who lives by the sword will die by the sword."
"Judge not lest you be judged."

In the scientific world view we have:

"For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction."

In the modern business worldview there is:

"What goes around comes around."
"You get what you pay for."

Hindu's speak of the law of karma; Buddhists say the cause of suffering is 
addiction.

Nina used the term "resonance". I really like this term too.

Imagine that you have two dinner bells hanging on your front porch. One 
bell is the love bell and the other bell is the fear bell. The love bell is 
tuned to the frequency of love and every harmonic of love. The fear bell is 
tuned to fear and the harmonics of fear.

Some of the harmonics of love are abundance, happiness, connection, 
knowledge, synchronicity, prayer and community. Some of the harmonics of 
fear are hatred, anger, disaster, pain, judgement and violence.

Each of these bells calls those things which resonate with it in for 
dinner. When we ring the love bell we call in those things which resonate 
with love. When we ring the fear bell we call those things which resonate 
with fear to dinner. Each of us has the power to see which bell we spend 
the most time with. What has come to dinner is a clue to which bell we 
spend our time ringing. This clue; this knowledge gives us the personal 
power to change unpleasant conditions in our own lives. If we were helpless 
victims of circumstances beyond our control then we would not have the 
power to change our circumstances of our lives.

Pain can inform and improve our decisions. When I jumped off the swing as a 
child the pain of landing taught me not to jump from a second story balcony.

The structures around us want us to depend on them. Corporate medicine 
encourages our dependence. Corporate agriculture does the same. We can all 
think of examples of this from this forum. If a structure becomes our sole 
source of supply for something we need, we will tend to support that 
structure despite other things it does that we don't like.

When we have given a structure such power over us, that structure will 
encourage our belief that we are helpless victims of circumstances beyond 
our control so that they can sell us a method of limited control at a 
price. If I do not believe that my health is under my control then I will 
buy health insurance to insure some modicum of control over my health.

Dr. Emoto has published pictures of the structural changes that prayer 
makes in ice crystals.

Stephen has described some of the ways he has used to increase his love 
resonance and these are effective techniques. There are many more 
techniques to do this. These techniques are described in almost every world 
religion and worldview.

We all know that there is a psychological component to disease. We have all 
heard stories of people who have overcome their conditions through 
determination and compassion despite an overwhelmingly negative prognosis.

Science and scientists are coming to the realization that all things are 
connected. Some call this connection the "zero point field", some call it 
the "implicate order" others call it the "morphogenic field" and still 
others call it "quantum coherence" or "quantum non-local interaction". This 
field appears to connect us all. Resonances are propagated through this 
field. Some of the recent scientific research in this area is described in 
Lynne McTaggart's latest book titled "The Field". You can read more about 
this area of research in an article that I recently wrote at:

http://www.subtleenergies.com/ormus/tw/review.htm

I tend to think of the resonances of love and fear as a river and a dam. As 
long as the love is flowing all that it carries is well distributed. When 
the flow is "damned" up by fear all the crap accumulates i

Stick to beat organic farmers?

[Tony Nelson-Smith]

My current New Scientist (26 Oct) has a disturbing story about the parasite 
Toxoplasma gondii.  Apparently between 30 and 60 percent of humans carry it 
(15-20% in the UK and US, 35% in Australia) and it has been regarded as 
harmless except to pregnant women (it can cross the placenta and damage the 
foetal brain).  It can reproduce only in cats, from which the eggs emerge in 
faeces and remain viable in moist soil for 18 months.  Recently, it has been 
found that Toxoplasma alters the behaviour of rats in a way which favours 
reinfection of cats - the rats are more active, less scared of new things, 
have slower reaction times and are even attracted by the smell of cat urine, 
which normally repels them.  Preliminary experiments with human volunteers 
suggest that we, too, show slower reaction times and a poorer attention span 
if infected;  men become more independent and more inclined to break rules, 
although the reverse seems to happen in women.  Humans with a latent 
infection are 2.7 times more liable to be involved in a car accident.  
Latent infection is thought also to trigger some forms of schizophrenia.
Aside from being worrying in general, the USDA has apparently commissioned a 
3-year study of beef, chicken and pork to assess the risk to consumers.  
Pigs are thought to be the most likely to pick up an infection;  the 
Director of Veterinary Science on the US National Pork Board pointed out 
that more intensive indoor rearing reduces the risk but - here's the rub! - 
such gains could be reversed if organic farming becomes more common. 
Tony N-S.






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FYI local ag. trends/views

[manfred palmer]

Nelson, all:
Until i find the previously mentioned study, I'm just forwarding this,
picked up from one of the local (mostly conventional) approved farming
registration associations' spokesperson.

  .manfred

Corner Post
Farm & Countryside Commentary by Elbert van Donkersgoed
October 25, 2002

What trends contribute to the weakening of farming in Ontario? Farming's
declining share of the consumer food dollar was rated the highest by the
participants in the "Gearing Up for a Better Future" workshop series
organized by the Christian Farmers Federation of Ontario last winter.
Eighty-eight percent agreed strongly (68%) or somewhat (20%). About 250
members and friends of CFFO participated in the 18 sessions across the
province.

Dig a little deeper into trends that are weakening Ontario agriculture and
the conversation inevitably turns to commodity agriculture and the drive to
become more efficient in order to live with lower prices.

Commodity agriculture has been a driving force in Ontario agriculture for
decades. It has held back many other approaches to farming with its
willingness to live by the law of the jungle, externalize environmental and
community costs, push the technology treadmill still faster and preach free
markets and open trade while constantly begging for production subsidies in
the form of cash, infrastructure, research and regulations.

Commodity agriculture has survived, in part because it has been willing to
accept some civilizing, some formalizing. Think of best management
practices, livestock management guidelines, nutrient management plans,
quality assurance programs and environmental farm plans.

Change is afoot. Consider the growing list of approaches to farming that
have emerged in the past decades: community supported agriculture,
diversified and value-added agriculture, lifestyle agriculture, organic
agriculture, supply managed agriculture, sustainable agriculture and
voluntary stewardship agriculture.

They are more than surviving. They are growing. Commodity agriculture's
ability to dominate has been undercut.

That is a good thing. The door is open for a new vision for Ontario
agriculture. CFFO's emerging vision is: Farming in Ontario will be diverse
and integrated into a full range of human and natural activities--family
life, community culture, economic development and natural habitat-on a scale
that enhances countryside and is sustainable. Is this vision worthy,
workshop participants were asked?

Seventeen percent of participants expressed doubts about this vision. They
were skeptical about success, defensive about the status quo or flagged
consequences that troubled them.

Twelve percent picked up on one of the major discussion points of the day
and emphasized its importance. Another seven percent focused on the process
of creating change.

Sixty-five percent agreed that this vision was worthy, many without
hesitation (30%) and some (9%) out of a sense of "I see no other choice." A
small group (8%) supported the vision but in the same breath asked for
details and practical next steps. Nineteen percent applauded the vision and
added a "but" or a worry about its implications. We are ready to stand up to
commodity agriculture.
__
Elbert van Donkersgoed is the Strategic Policy Advisor of the Christian
Farmers Federation of Ontario, Canada. Corner Post can be heard weekly on
CFCO Radio, Chatham and CKNX Radio, Wingham, Ontario. Corner Post is
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Re: 9/11 conspiracy

[Hugh Lovel]

Dear Jane,

I've been down al lot of hard roads--that I put myself down and I'm not complaining about. I can't think of anyone, Richard Nixon or Josef Stalin that I wouldn't talk civilly to or give a free meal to, and I've been in jails, prisons, projects and wilds with some real psychos like I hope you have no need to meet. There's a real guardian angel over me or I wouldn't be here at all. 

I got disillioned with flag waving during Viet Nam--stupid me, I volunteered! That was an awakening! Set me really looking for the things you're talking about. 

I was putting forward what I remember of history and what I see of the present with a few percent speculation about the recent past and immediate future in the hopes others would get as disillusioned as I was back in Viet Nam times and opt out of that old world order into the kind of world you're talking about. 

You? You don't need it. You've already woke up.  Good head on your shoulders, good ideas. But I hope we pull more folks off that freight train to hell, and pretending to wave my flag doesn't entertain me.

I think George Bush is in a very tight place. I imagine he's trying to make the best out of what mistakes his father and others before him made. I'm waiting to see what he knows about how to do that. While I think he'd be better being up-front about things, I don't imagine it will work that way. But he may be getting it all out into view anyway. I have no way to tell. I'm in no position to judge. The best I can do is see how it all comes out in the end. Seems like it will be interesting. 

I put what I did on the list because I don't close my eyes and cower, but prefer to keep my eyes open and try to be calm and above all, non-judgmental.

I told you who I would vote for and what I think will help, but I'm not trying to slam ANYONE. I probably do that sometimes when I'm too unconscious.

I've been up all night writing on a manual abaout making rain, and now must pick for my CSA. Here's a bit of what I was laboring so hard at. Writing is work. 

I don't think I've met you before, have I?

Best,
Hugh Lovel

The Elements

Just how is nature organized? The ancients called the elements fire, air, water and earth. But, I'd better be clear what I mean by element. There might be some confusion between the four elements of classical thinking and the hundred plus elements of the periodic table.
Sulfur is what we commonly associate with fire. If you want a fire, strike a sulfur match. With air we think of nitrogen as nitrogen in its pure form is the main component of air. With water we associate hydrogen, which comes from the Greek word for it. In German it is Wasserstoff, the stuff of water). Finally carbon, the basis of life, is associated with the earth. Carbon forms the hardest of all minerals, diamond. 
I could compare earth, water, air and fire to what is known as the solid, liquid, gaseous and radiant states of  matter. It is an obvious basis of comparison, but the word element here refers to more than state. Each of the elements has a specific character associated with its state, namely the characters of sulfur, nitrogen, hydrogen and carbon.
Then there is ether.  Ether is what enlivens each of the physical elements. In India the four physical elements are associated with the four fingers of the hand while the thumb represents the ether. It is the agency of organization. If we associate ether with oxygen, we then have what we might call the five sisters, oxygen, sulfur, nitrogen, hydrogen and carbon, which along with a handful of minerals form our physical bodies. In agriculture, in at least in quantum agriculture, these five are usually free for the taking from the environment. It is not normal to have to buy them. Normally, the best things in life are free. The fact that so much of modern agriculture applies so much salt nitrogen-and pays good money for it-is an indication of how badly deranged it is.

Four Ethers

Because the principle of organization, the ether, works differently with each element, we can say we have four ethers. With the four elements we have something substantial that we can measure. But with the corresponding four ethers all we have is an organizational principle that indirectly shows its effects in the way organization arises. 
The organizational principle for fire is warmth. There is little difference between warmth and fire, as they go hand in hand. If you just had sulfur by itself you would not have fire. But when sulfur combines with oxygen, fire and warmth occur. We might place sulfur is on the fire side  of the substance/ether divide and oxygen on the warmth side.
For the air to give life it must have oxygen too, albeit that in the air it is inactive, just as the nitrogen is inactive. With air we have a level of greater density where the organizational principle is light. Air is the perfect medium for conducting light, and light goes with air hand in glove. 
Then with water we have an even denser level. Though light doe

Re: RE Loss and Rebirth 9/11

[sherwood]

Hate to burst everyone's conspiracy bubble, but Q33NY isn't a flight
number...(let alone the flight number of one of the tower planes).

The internet is a great way to spread information (and dis- and mis-
information too).

Check out www.snopes.com

It's a great site to check out the 'urban legends' becoming so prominant
in today's cyber-society. click on the 9/11 rumours link and scroll down
to 'wingding' link. Sure is some good reading on some of the other links
too.

Co-incidence?  no such thing.
But when you start with the "truth" and draw the lines usually truth is
the result.

Here in America there is a conspiracy hiding under every bed...(the
commies left in the mid-80's).

And yeah, sure, there was ice build up on the wings of Senator Wellstone's
plane.

Keep the "faith",
(but check your sources)

Ed

PS haven't seen any refrence to molten steel on the snopes website, so



> Cheryl -
> It IS really freaky.
> Essie
>
> At 03:52 PM 11/01/02 +1100, you wrote:
>>Have you seen what can happen when you print in the flight number of
>> the  first plane to hit the WTC on 9/11
>>
>>In word new doc, print in the flight number
>>
>>Q33NY
>>Change type size to 26,
>>then change the font to Wingdings
>>and see what you get - really freaky.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>see below if you want see it before you try it yourself
>>
>>Q33NY
>>
>>
>>Cheryl Kemp
>>Education and Workshop Coordinator
>>Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia
>>Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322
>>Home: 02 6657 5306
>>email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web:
>> www.biodynamics.net.au

Re: studying soil tests

[Lloyd Charles]

- Original Message -
From: Liz Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 12:00 PM
Subject: studying soil tests


> Hi all,
> Was wondering if any of you  may take the time and make comments towards
my
> interpretation of soil tests. (Testing myself for the exam)
> Wanting to see if I'm getting the hang and where I'm not making links.
> There is no physical assessment of the soil, just the data to work from.
> (I've already given them an ear full of not treating the test but the
soil,
> the cause not the symptom,  but this hoop I must jump through)
>
Hi Liz
> Incitec Soil Test Analysis
They sell fertiliser but their lab results, are pretty consistent and out of
a couple of hundred that I have seen for our area there have been no obvious
stuff ups.
>
> 0 - 15 cm   Ca - 76.8%  Mg - 8.69%  K - 13.04%  Na  - .72%  Al - .72%
Potassium a bit high but I am used to that - I believe this indicates a high
degree of weathering. Ca/Mg ratio looks good, Na low
>
>  OC - 1.2   CEC 6.9pH (CaCl2)  6.9  EC - .6 Ca/Mg - 8.2 P - 18
Organic carbon 1.2 % on an incitec test is reasonable - would translate to
about two at the Perry lab - and is about in the range of better class wheat
soils - CEC 6.9 says this is a nice light loam soil . pH ? Incitec tests
usually give both CaCl2 and water pH?
>
>  OM - .72   Cl - 13Cu - 1  Zn  - .8Mn - 12   Fe - 43   B - .5
Whats the first one here OM? Traces are low particularly Zn and B
>
>
> 20 + cm Ca - 70.1%  Mg - 23.1%  K - 6.1%Na - .34%   Al - .34%
>
>P - <5CEC  14.7pH(CaCl2) 14.7  EC - .5 Ca/Mg - 3
>
> Organic matter levels need to be increased.
You will need to say how to increase OM
> The pH increases from mod. acid
> to a weakly alkaline.  The nitrate N is 12 mg/kg in the top and 0 in the
> 20+cm zone.  S at 9 mg/kg in the top and again 0 in the lower zone.  P is
at
> 18 mg/kg followed by 4 at 20 +cm.  K is at .9 in both soils. Mg, pH and
CEC
> Increase with depth.  figure the increase in CEC may be due to more clay
> content, seeing no OC -Yes!
>
> the first 15 cm appear to be a sandy clay loam the lower being a light
clay.
> the CEC indicates a poor shrink swell potential,
No - shrink swell characteristics of a clay are related to the TYPE of clay
(smectites)not the amount, the layers are held together weakly and water can
easily enter the interlayer spaces swelling the clay crystals - Illite clays
have potassium (K) in the interlayer space and dont allow much water to
enter, they are stable and dont expand -you probably need to do some
revision on this, it is almost a guaranteed question in soil exams,
> whilst the Ec indicates a  likelihood of dispersion.
You need to work on this too - learn the difference between dispersion and
slaking and what causes each - learn the chemistry behind this.


>  Negligible salinity with ECe at .77 & .68.
> the levels of Mg in the subsoil indicate leaching
Yes - slow leaching of clay particles down the profile

> and may be causing K
> deficiency, the K in the topsoil could result in Mg deficiency.
I think the extra K in the topsoil is because of weathering of an Illite
type clay and leaching
>  The drop in Ca/Mg ratio has me stumped.
 Why? you have a clay loam subsoil with higher magnesium, low sodium, ideal
potassium,
> Would liming be required, but that would then
No definitely not there is plenty of calcium showing on this soil test

> impact on the Ca/Mg ratio especially on the top 15cm.  The cations are
below
> to take up the Ca when it gets down there. ?
> Tend to think that there should  be more P available below for the
rhizosphere, but > also see this as moving
> slowly through the profile.  Availablility of P being affected by pH,
which
> if increased in top 15 cm from lime application would make more P
available
> up top, but not necessarily in bottom sample.
P is at reasonable levels for crop and pasture growth - would require
maintence applications.

> Zinc could be lacking due to climatic conditions cold winters / wet
springs
> (not this year) more required especially for high productive crops such as
> fruit and Veg.
> Nitrogen fertility is rated at moderate fertility in the top 15 cm,
thinking
> the drop in Ca/Mg ratio has decreased the N in the lower sample.
Dont think so.  remember how mobile and expendable nitrate N is, once it
starts to move down the profile it will keep on heading for the water table,
also the release of N thru mineralisation is tremendously variable in our
climate.Paddock history is a far more reliable indication for N.  >
> Any indications of where I'm not linking or looking would be helpful.
> Thanks
> L&L
> Liz
>
>
>
>
>

Re: Loss and Rebirth-the value of a healthy school lunch program

[Merla Barberie]

Robin,

We have been going through an idiot phase ever since November, 2000 .

A lot of people don't have TV by choice.  We only watch/listen to public TV and
radio. We enjoy such shows as Frontline, NOW, Nature, Charlie Rose.  I used to
love "Black Adder."  Radio shows like "Fresh Air," Alternative Radio and some
of the forums from Cinncinati and San Francisco that are aired at noon on PBS
are good.  After that, we read, listen to music, do yoga, go outside and look
at the stars.

I do not trust the regular news programs--even Jim Lehrer on public TV.  I go
to the net for real information.  The list/serve, WTO Watch, satisfies my need
to know what's happening in the world.  I am afraid of getting spammed if I
subscribe to Global News or NYTimes on the Net.

I wish you wouldn't judge us all by the lowest common denominator.  I don't get
to see new movies very often unless one is outstanding and then we still make
mistakes. "Lord of the Rings" was so violent, I shut out most of it.   Evil
character was portrayed so palpably that it overcame the Good.  I like Jim
Carrey, but Dumb and Dumber goes too far.  Many American movies and TV programs
are in bad taste or off the deep end.  This email I got today may be speaking
to what is wrong...could the problem be our nutrition?  This is my favorite
shtick.

 A MIRACLE IN WISCONSIN - Attributed to Good Food!

OCTOBER 14. In Appleton, Wisconsin, a revolution has occurred. It's
taken place in the Central Alternative High School. The kids now behave.
The hallways aren't frantic. Even the teachers are happy.

The school used to be out of control. Kids packed weapons. Discipline
problems swamped the principal's office. But not since 1997.

What happened? Did they line every inch of space with cops? Did they
spray valium gas in the classrooms? Did they install metal detectors in
the bathrooms? Did they build holding cells in the gym?

Afraid not. In 1997, a private group called Natural Ovens began
installing a healthy lunch program. Huh?

Fast-food burgers, fries, and burritos gave way to fresh salads, meats
"prepared with old-fashioned recipes," and whole grain bread. Fresh
fruits were added to the menu. Good drinking water arrived.

Vending machines were removed.

As reported in a newsletter called Pure Facts, "Grades are up, truancy
is no longer a problem, arguments are rare, and teachers are able to
spend their time teaching."

Principal Lu Ann Coenen, who files annual reports with the state of
Wisconsin, has turned in some staggering figures since 1997. Drop-outs?
Students expelled? Students discovered to be using drugs? Carrying
weapons? Committing suicide? Every category has come up ZERO. Every
year.

Mary Bruyette, a teacher, states, "I don't have to deal with daily
discipline issues. I don't have disruptions in class or the difficulties
with student behavior I experienced before we started the food program."

One student asserted, "Now that I can concentrate I think it's easier to
get along with people." What a concept---eating healthier food increases
concentration.

Principal Coenen sums it up: "I can't buy the argument that it's too
costly for schools to provide good nutrition for their students. I found
that one cost will reduce another. I don't have the vandalism. I don't
have the litter. I don't have the need for high security."

At a nearby middle school, the new food program is catching on. A
teacher there, Dennis Abram, reports, "I've taught here almost 30 years.
I see the kids this year as calmer, easier to talk to. They just seem
more rational. I had thought about retiring this year and basically I've
decided to teach another year---I'm having too much fun!"

Pure Facts, the newsletter that ran this story, is published by a
non-profit organization called The Feingold Association, which has
existed since 1976. Part of its mission is to "generate public awareness
of the potential role of foods and synthetic additives in behavior,
learning and health problems. The [Feingold] program is based on a diet
eliminating synthetic colors, synthetic flavors, and the preservatives
BHA, BHT, and TBHQ."

Thirty years ago there was a Dr. Feingold. His breakthrough work proved
the connection between these negative factors in food and the lives of
children. Hailed as a revolutionary advance, Feingold's findings were
soon trashed by the medical cartel, since those findings threatened the
drugs-for-everything, disease-model concept of modern health care.

But Feingold's followers have kept his work alive. If what happened in
Appleton, Wisconsin, takes hold in many other communities across
America, perhaps the ravenous corporations who invade school space with
their vending machines and junk food will be tossed out on their
behinds. It could happen.

And perhaps ADHD will become a dinosaur. A non-disease that was once
attributed to errant brain chemistry. And perhaps Ritalin will be seen
as just another toxic chemical that was added to the bodies of kids in a
craz

Re: RE Loss and Rebirth 9/11

[Essie Hull]

Cheryl -
It IS really freaky.
Essie
At 03:52 PM 11/01/02 +1100, you wrote:
Have you
seen what can happen when you print in the flight number of the first
plane to hit the WTC on 9/11
 
In word new doc, print in the flight
number
 
Q33NY
Change type size to 26,
then change the font to Wingdings
and see what you get - really
freaky.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
see below if you want see it before you try it
yourself
 
Q33NY
 
 
Cheryl Kemp
Education and Workshop Coordinator
Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia
Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322 
Home: 02 6657 5306
email:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
web:
www.biodynamics.net.au

Re: Sheep and fig trees

[COYOTEHILLFARM]

Hi Tony and all

My point was, that sheep are a some what a wooly type of goat, and if give
the opportunity they will eat most things,  so perhaps a small type of sheep
will not eat too much of a tender grape ( or fig Bush or tree) if they can't
reach the fruiting zone .
I would like to see grassing animals in our vine-yard to help the process of
producing fruits with no additions of chemicals, but I also need the plant
to grow and not eaten by the grassing animals, being a small type of sheep,
or guinea hens.
The key seams to be to implement a system that will fit our farming practice
and then testing and testing.
Also did not know that you are Abel to grow figs in UK, figs make a wonder
full wine.

I welcome comments and ideas.

Per Garp/NH


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From: "Tony Nelson-Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: Sheep and fig trees


> Per Garp - Fig trees (at least in my part of the world, southern UK) are
> more of a large shrub than a tree;  much of the foliage and fruit would be
> easily accessible to sheep etc.  The bark is quite tender - mice have
chewed
> away at the one in my garden.  Maybe in commercial fig orchards things are
> different?  Tony N-S.
>
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Re: Sheep

[COYOTEHILLFARM]

Hi Nelson, and All

It sounds like lovely place, except for the 38C, That's hot.
Today we are cold here in New Hampshire, its getting winter and temps are in
the -C.

What is the other crops that you grow ?

>We travel a bit to meet farmers,
> I mean those who are interested on BD, some 100 km.

How do you get farmers interested in BD ?

Per Garp/NH


- Original Message -
From: "Nelson Jacomel Junior" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 06:05 PM
Subject: Re: Sheep


> Hi Per
> there we go, br stands for Brasil. I live on the South, below 24 degrees
the
> place is an island the city is Florianopolis (there is a site), in high
summer
> (february) above 38 C, white sand blue waters. We travel a bit to meet
farmers,
> I mean those who are interested on bd, some 100 km.
> Figs (Ficus carica Moraceae) from the Mediterranea area, is not a palm, it
is
> said to be the third plant to be domesticated. Edible parts are the
> inflorescence, sweet, very soft, delicious, inner part is pinkish and
small
> seeds crunch on.
> In the orchard we were talking the plants are 2 yo, about 1 meter high,
without
> fruits yet, some leaves. Dont know the sheeps race, but say they are not
> miniature or small. Indeed the sheeps love the turnip. The planting in
summer
> time is not necessary any more, seeds from the previous year come easily.
Ill
> ask details.
> Nelson.
>
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>

Re: 9/11 conspiracy

[Prkrjake]

Dear Ones,
I am new to the whole listserve, but not to spiritual science.
I wrote a long response to this the other evening after I returned from the Josephine Porter Institute, and it vaporized off my screen, well here goes again, lets see what comes...

Humanity has crossed the Threshold into the Age of the Consciousness Soul.

That means us.

  It is easy to slam the polititians, to point the attention at the Multi-nationals. and talk about sustainability, etc,
 or why isn't BD more "seen" in the world, any number of gripes and assessments.

When we do this, unseen forces are able to utilize our 'juices' for the emergence of Materialism further into the Earths being.

Rudolf Steiner gave a plan for the antecdote to this reality. Associative Economics.  It has gone un-done. Yet there are individuals working diligently to sort this through for all our benefit, of which, in Freedom we can come to practice and implement.

The ways I expereince the build up of these adversarial forces is any time I judge, assess, perpetrate, victimize, behave as if I am a victim, anything that smacks of any of these behaviors, leaves out the possibility of LOVE in the (world).
I am not talking of some warm fuzzy.

Spiritual Science speaks to that now Love is no longer a given, it must be created, created by us, Human Beings here on the Earth.

How is Love created?
Attention, interest, warmth, investment.
In the OTHER. I work for you. I labor for you.

Work to Create Peace and Love for us all,
Jane Parker

Bill Moyers at 9PM PST, EST?

[Merla Barberie]

I get notification of the Now Programs.  This one looks good.

Best,

Merla

Subject:
   This week on NOW with Bill Moyers (11/1/02)
 Date:
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NOW with Bill Moyers
Friday, November 1, 2002 at 9pm on PBS
(Check local listings at http://www.pbs.org/now/sched.html)
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This week on NOW...
* NOW examines the potential to restore investor trust in WHAT'S AT
STAKE?

* Bill Moyers talks to JOHN H. BIGGS, retiring Chairman and CEO of
TIAA-CREF, about the accounting industry's attempt to hijack corporate
reform in the wake of Enron.

* On the eve of what could be the most important mid-term election in
decades, NOW presents a thoughtful and challenging roundtable discussion
on how America's current system of democracy hangs in the balance in
DEMOCRACY IN DANGER.

* In FIXING DEMOCRACY, NOW talks to advocates and critics about the
movement that could make Arizona the first state to elect publicly
funded candidates to all of its statewide offices.

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WHAT'S AT STAKE?
While the country has been worrying about war with Iraq and the sniper
siege, powerful forces in Washington have conspired to undercut
important reforms in our financial world.  NOW takes a look at the
controversy surrounding last Friday's selection by the SEC of the
watchdog that is supposed to police accounting firms.

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JOHN H. BIGGS
John H. Biggs is the man just about everyone wanted to be the chief of
the accounting industry oversight board, the man to keep an eye on the
books.  Everyone, that is, except the industry's friends in Washington
and the White House.  Biggs, retiring Chairman and CEO of TIAA-CREF has
spoken publicly and testified repeatedly to Congress about the need for
tougher regulation of accountants.  In an exclusive interview, Bill
Moyers speaks with Biggs about why he was passed over for the top job
and about the selection of William H. Webster.  He expresses his concern

about the report that SEC chairman Harvey L. Pitt withheld information
which may have raised concerns about Webster's appointment.  Says Biggs,
"I think he has lost the confidence of the commission, and I think he's
lost the confidence of the American public.  I think at this point
he should certainly be considering resignation."

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DEMOCRACY IN DANGER
The stranglehold of money over politics is just one crisis threatening
our democracy, and one of the subjects discussed in NOW's latest
roundtable discussion.  "Democracy in Danger" grapples with the limits
and potential of the current two-party system through an in-depth
examination of
what's at stake for America.

Participants include: Richard Brookhiser, biographer of Founding Fathers
George Washington and Alexander Hamilton, senior editor for National
Review magazine, and contributor to the New York Observer; Jean Bethke
Elshtain, political philosopher and author of "Democracy on Trial";
Emily
Levine, Harvard-educated stand-up comedienne and philosopher; Michael
Lind, staff writer for the Globalist and senior fellow at the New
America Foundation; Manning Marable, Professor of History and Political
Science at Columbia University; Ruben Navarrette, Jr., columnist and
editorial
board member of The Dallas Morning News; and Kevin Phillips, political
analyst and historian, and author of "Wealth And Democracy."

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FIXING DEMOCRACY
Over and over again we hear the same refrain: Democracy carries a price
tag that only the wealthy can afford.  Now, however, at least four
states have become laboratories for the novel idea that if anyone should
own the politicians, the people should.  The idea is called "Clean
Elections"
and it involves public funding of campaigns.  It's still a work in
progress, and NOW producer Greg Henry reports on how it's playing out in
the state of Arizona.

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on to the site to read biographies of John Biggs and the roundtable
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the clean campaign movement; see information graphics on voter turnout
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