Fw: failure notice
I imagine my e-mail is one of those not going through (the once I write!) so here it's again, as requested: Dear Allan, BDNow!ers, Here's one lurker's opinion: please don't make it more difficult to get access to the information on this list! I am not farming presently, so I really do not have much to say to the list right now - I am listening and learning. That is why I do not speak up more often, and I am sure there must be lots like me. I do know that - 1) in the knowledge era it is crazy to think that you can keep secrets 2) in the knowledge era those who share their knowledge the most readily will gain the most readily (bread on the water type of thing, except knowledge is the real currency today) I salute everyone who contributes regularly to this list - it is lifeblood stuff for me, and once I have land under my management (which looks to be soon), these years of lurking will bear plentiful fruit. I must confess that I find all of this a bit paranoid - and my country once was a securocracy of the first order. Yet I can see that America is regressing into totalitarianism, Big Brotherism, you name it, so I have sympathy for your fears and sentiments. But for us in the third world, what we really need is readily available information, not less or more complicated access. I am speaking to you from a place where we still mostly pay our way in the world with our natural resources. Blessings Christo South Africa Ed having written: Most of the people reading this are lurkers. That's OK, lurking is not a crime. People come to different lists for different reasons. How many lurkers out there were stirring and spraying before they came to this list? It's time for some of you to chime in. This discussion affects you too! (c'mon just this once). Just one opinion, FWIW, Ed
Re: Chaplin, GMO Wheat and Preservation of Special Places
...The Great Dictator in the time of... ...McCarthy. Merla - it was an earlier and even 'greater' dictator: Adolf Hitler. Well worth seeing!Tony N-S. _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
FW: [globalnews] The Self Evolving Circle
Title: FW: [globalnews] The Self Evolving Circle THE SELF-EVOLVING CIRCLE The key to every man is his thought. Sturdy and defying though he look, he has a helm which he obeys, which is the idea after which all his facts are classified. He can only be reformed by showing him a new idea which commands his own. The life of man is a self-evolving circle, which, from a ring imperceptibly small, rushes on all sides outward to new and larger circles, and that without end. The extent to which this generation of circles, wheel without wheel, will go, depends on the force or truth of the individual soul. For, it is the inert effort of each thought having formed itself into a circular wave of circumstance, as, for instance, an empire, rules of an art, a local usage, a religious rite, to heap itself on that ridge, and to solidify, and hem in the life. But if the soul is quick and strong it bursts over that boundary on all sides, and expands another orbit on the great deep, which also runs up into a high wave, with attempt again to stop and to bind. But the heart refuses to be imprisoned; in its first and narrowest pulses, it already tends outward with a vast force, and to immense and innumerable expansions. RALPH WALDO EMERSON -- It is possible that the next Buddha will not take the form of an individual. The next Buddha may take the form of a community; a community practicing understanding and loving kindness, a community practicing mindful living. This may be the most important thing we can do for the survival of the Earth. -- Thich Nhat Hanh
FW: [globalnews] The Golden Rule
Title: FW: [globalnews] The Golden Rule THE GOLDEN RULE HINDU: This is the sum of duty; do naught unto others which if done to thee would cause thee pain. ZOROASTRIAN: That nature alone is good which refrains from doing unto another whatsoever is not good for itself. TAOIST: Regard your neighbour's gain as your own gain, and your neighbour's loss as your own loss. BUDDHIST: Hurt not others in ways that you would find hurtful. CONFUCIAN: Do not unto others what you would not have them do unto you. JAIN: In happiness and suffering, in joy and grief, we should regard all creatures as we regard our own self. JEWISH: Whatever thou hatest thyself, that do not to another. CHRISTIAN: All things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them. ISLAMIC: No one of you is a believer until he desires for his brother that which he desires for himself. SIKH: As thou deemest thyself, so deem others.
FW: [globalnews] TV blames Africans for famine but IMF, GlobalWarming, Colonial Legacy Are True Causes
Title: FW: [globalnews] TV blames Africans for famine but IMF, Global Warming, Colonial Legacy Are True Causes Extra!, November/December 2002 Let Them Eat Cake TV blames Africans for famine By Zeynep Toufe A famine is raging through southern Africa--a famine that Doctors Without Borders has called among the worst in Africa in the past decade. The international relief organization CARE reports that the famine is largely the result of one of the worst droughts in a decade and that severe hunger--even starvation--threatens millions, particularly among the most vulnerable: children, the elderly, and pregnant and nursing women in Angola, Lesotho, Malawi, Mozambique, Zambia and Zimbabwe. This is occurring against the backdrop of an AIDS epidemic in Africa that has claimed 25 million lives and counting, leaving behind about 14 million orphans. It's a tragic story, full of suffering, especially of children; it's also a story of the heroism of those who relentlessly struggle against the odds under the harshest conditions. It's a story that produces haunting pictures of despairing mothers, of fading children -- and of the courageous people who are working against time, against all odds, to try to restore life. But it's not good television, apparently. Network by network An analysis of transcripts of news programs for the six months between March 11 and September 11, 2002, by the three major broadcast networks--including daily news shows and such weekly programs as Nightline and 60 Minutes--demonstrates a striking lack of attention to the plight of Southern Africa. The rare stories were almost always without any substantive reference to the role of rich countries, transnational corporations and the international finance system in triggering or worsening the crisis. Analysis seemed to be present to the degree that blame could be put on the shoulders of African nations--fairly or not. The best network--among dismal competition--was ABC News, which had a total of 14 mentions of the words famine or starvation in connection with Africa. Of these 14 stories: * Two were about non-African subjects and mentioned the famine in passing; * Two were about Colin Powell being heckled at the World Summit on Sustainable Development for blaming the famine on Zimbabwe's seizure of farms owned by the white minority and Zambia's rejection of genetically modified corn; * Two were about the problems food aid shipments face in transport, such as smuggling and mismanagement; * One was about the plight of Zimbabwe's white farmers and mentioned the famine in that context; * One was about genetically modified corn being turned away by Zambia's government; * Three were items in the overseas briefing section, which run about 50-60 words, that were largely devoted to criticisms of Zimbabwe's policy of land reform; * Three were items in the overseas briefing section reporting U.N. warnings that 10 million people in Southern Africa faced starvation, and Doctors Without Borders' announcement that half a million people in Angola alone faced starvation. CBS had a total of seven stories during the same period: # Four of the seven stories were about Zambia's refusal to accept genetically modified corn, # Two mentioned the famine in the context of Zimbabwe's land reform, # One was a 57-word brief that stated that 10 million people faced starvation. NBC had a single story regarding famine or starvation in Africa in its news programs during the same six-month period. Ironically, NBC's lone piece (8/9/02)--about Veronica, a 12-year-old AIDS orphan struggling to feed her siblings--was the only story among the three networks that was filed from the ground and concentrated on the fact that children were starving. The NBC story did mention that the famine was looming since the strategic grain reserve, meant to be kept at hand for emergencies exactly like this one, had been sold off. NBC, however, did not mention why it was sold: The president of Malawi had publicly stated (BBC, 4/9/02) that the International Monetary Fund and the World Bank insisted that, since Malawi had a surplus [of maize] and the [government's] National Food Reserve Agency had this huge loan, they had to sell the maize to repay the commercial banks. Blaming the victims As can be seen from the list, almost all the coverage concentrated on the perceived faults of African governments. Zimbabwe, which is only one country out of the six that face starvation, generated most of the coverage. Most of the criticism of Zimbabwe came from U.S. officials and white farmers who had lost their property. Only once (CBS, 8/18/02) was it mentioned that in a country of 12 million black people, the white minority of 40,000 owns most of the productive land--a legacy of the colonial occupation of the country that had ended 20 years ago. According to the London Guardian (4/3/00), About 4,500 white farmers own 11 million hectares of Zimbabwe's prime agricultural land, while about 1 million blacks
NYTimes: Eat Your Vegetables? Only at a Few Schools
Title: NYTimes: Eat Your Vegetables? Only at a Few Schools Eat Your Vegetables? Only at a Few Schools By ELIZABETH BECKER and MARIAN BURROS PELIKA, Ala. When 17-year-old Tianna Summers puts a fork full of fresh lima beans in her mouth in the school lunchroom here, she is eating a vegetable seldom seen in any other American school. Junk food is not the center of our universe, Ms. Summers said, polishing off a meal of barbecued pork, the lima beans and a salad. But in most of the country, it is. A school lunch often looks like an exercise in fat loading, with a supersize soft drink from a vending machine, followed by a candy bar from another machine. The meal is more in keeping with one from a fast-food outlet than what the Department of Agriculture says is a nutritious meal. This yawning discrepancy between what students should eat and what most of them actually pile onto their trays has become a central issue in the national debate over why Americans are growing obese. For the first time in five years, Congress will take up the school lunch issue this winter, writing legislation that will affect the diet of 27 million public school children, in elementary through high school. The problems are immense and any solution is prey to an array of interests vested in the $10 billion annual federal school nutrition programs, including breakfast, lunch and snacks provided free or at a discount. Among the interests are the soft drink and food service industries, as well as agribusiness and individual farmers. The starting point for all discussions is money, or lack of it. Years ago, school officials in Opelika, this middle- and working-class community in rural northeastern Alabama, decided that nutritious school lunches were non-negotiable. The parents backed them up, consistently voting for increased financing. Feeding children more fruits and vegetables and reducing the fat costs more money. But for a handful of schools, like those in the Opelika district, the answer is to buy fresh produce from local farmers. In six other schools visited recently, in New York City and Montgomery County, Md., where hundreds of students were eating lunch, only five children took a green vegetable with the main course. Faced with bad-tasting canned green beans provided free by the federal government, children in New York City and Montgomery County opted out. Most children who took a vegetable chose French fries. Children at Opelika schools are fed fresh vegetables they like greens and peas. We figure you have to serve a new food item 10 times before the kids actually eat them, said Melanie Payne, who oversees meals in the school district, but we've had no problem with the fresh sweet potatoes, butter cream peas and black-eyed peas. Buying from local farmers in this case from a nearby Florida cooperative and cooking the vegetables from scratch is time consuming. It is far easier to open a can and plop the tasteless vegetable in a pot. Opelika cooks have not fried chicken fingers, or anything else, for seven years. Vending machines have never darkened the school corridors, much less the lunchroom. And students are not permitted to leave school during lunch hour no quick trips to the local fried chicken or burger outlet. While the Opelika school system is not alone, it is part of a tiny minority. Many school cooks are so used to dropping prepared foods into frying pans and ovens that it would be impossible for them to serve fresh fruits and vegetables today. Yet over a week's time, as the Agriculture Department calculates the standards, 86 percent of the basic school lunches met the federal nutritional guidelines, on paper. The problem is that with so much choice, only half the children choose the nutritious meal and then many do not eat all of it, leaving the vegetables. I've been in school kitchens where they haven't the simplest tools like knives or equipment to store fresh fruits and vegetables, much less processors for shredding and chopping or containers and utensils for salad bars, said Thomas Forster, of the nonprofit Community Food Security Coalition, a group concerned about nutritious food. Continued at http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/13/national/13LUNC.html?pagewanted=2
Re: Personal Security vs National Security
Allan, My view is very simple. I am a lurker as would be described in previous post, though that is due to the fact that I am not pre-disposed to writing, it is not the way in which I tend to work. Intimidation only works and will continue to work until we are no longer intimidated. The effects of intimidation are expected by those that intimidate, if they do not get the desired effect they tend to become angry, though this is just a manifestation of their original anger that now doesn't have an external focal point (you, me etc.) that they can have some control over and feel more validated in their own mind.. We have been slaves to intimidation for too long, In order to move into a new reality we have to treat it as an invalid motivator. All of the people that I would consider great, have one thing in common, they lived by what they believed in and were not intimidated. I too have had the intense satanist experience, (which is the witch hunts still trying to rear it's ugly head) police coming to our house to intimidate, along with a long list of other things, so I am not an armchair theorist in this respect. I'm not writing to influence you one way or another, it matters not to me. I just think that Intimidation on this level is allot different than let's say civil rights in the 60's, or what Gandhi went through. Seeking a Cure, (Mr) Chris Folks - I undoubtedly have added to the confusion by my choice of a subject, so I wanted to make a couple of comment before sitting back and letting this conversation run its course. This is not a freedom of speech issue. This is working consciously towards a 'freedom from Johnsons.' If I remember right, Wm S. Burroughs describes a Johnson as a common American lifeform, one that can never mind it's own business. With this goes judgement and fear that arises when realizing that someone else thinks differently than your Johnson self. The fact that I meet actual people who tell me that they are uncomfortable posting to BD Now! because they do not want a permanent record of their honest thoughts to be available to persons unknown for reasons unknown tells me that the life of the group may be enhanced if people felt more protected Sophia of LILIPOH told me at one time that by their very nature of openess to the universe, biodynamic farmers need protection. Those of us who operate without it soon come to realize the need for it. I think the list suffers very much if sensitive people do not feel comfortable speaking to this group for reasons that are outside of this group. Next, I will not labor nor will I sacrifice for the right or ability of non contributors to this list to draw from the information created by this list. This list is open to EVERYONE who has a name and a location. Anyone who wants to share with the list, interrogate this group of farmers and eaters, or who wants to plow the archives or our cumulative sharings is welcome to do that. Someone who wants to take without being part of the group is, well, counter-evolutionary in my book and not deserving of our support. Furthermore, it is my current sense that BD knowledge without mentoring is potentially worthless. To make the transferance from head work to heart work requires working with someone who actually knows what heart and intuition feel like. To encourage cookbook biodynamics is to encourage the degradation of biodynamics in both the short and the long hauls. For you physical growers out there, it can also be said that it's impossible to work towards good soil structure if noone has shown you what good soil structure is, Otherwise, you are working with your own concept, which has arisen from your own inexperience, etc. My interest in promoting the security of the discussion here is an interest in overcoming the sort of self-censorship that is obviously chilling the sharing on this list. Come on folks, if someone with as much to share as glen atkinson says that the archives have a chilling affect on his openess, how can we afford to not move immediately to create the sort of atmosphere that makes sharing comfortable again? The dangers of the archives were demonstrated recently when some directions for a bd spray were drawn from the archives and reprinted without contacting me or the original author. When I saw the publication, I knew that the practitioner who had created the spray had since moved past that process and would not recommend it to farmers at this time. Just the same, it not only was reprinted out of the context of reality and, if I read correctly, someone is marketing a product based on these 'withdrawn' directions. NEVER NEVER NEVER has BD Now! been a classic LOOK IN THE ARCHIVES, STUPID! list Instead, in it's own cornstamping way, BD Now! has been a list of real time BD practitioners sharing what they know through ever evolving insights. As I said: Archives without participation can be counter-productive. Again - I
Re: Kirschenmann speech
- Original Message - From: Moen Creek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 2:21 PM Subject: Re: Kirschenmann speech Loved ones, This IMHO is the most significant and concise writing I have read in ages. If I may suggest that this refutes, in it's opening 6 or so paragraphs, the use of peppering to lay a plague on GM wheat other aspects of the tecno crap injected in our food. It tells us to put faith in the virility of life and not fall for the mechanistic belief that because some jerks put chunks of foreign DNA into a plant's genome that they (the plant) are going to hang on to it long! Hi Markess Could you elaborate please, I've tried to read the first part of the speech posted by Barrly Lia three times and have completely missed it on each occasion - I'm not trying to be picky or smart - just can not make heads or tails of it in relation to your comment here. On a different but similar tack - I am more optimistic than most about the capacity of nature (with a little help) to rid the system of the GMO - these are only super weeds to a conventional farmer trying to control them with chemical herbicides - without the herbicides (organic or BD farming) they are GENETICALLY INFERIOR plants - I grew canola conventionally up until 2000 and as the varieties progressed in search of higher yields and better oil percentage they became sucessively weaker and less robust under anything but ideal conditions - I never yet saw a canola plant with anything like the vigour and tenacity of a wild radish plant so again - take herbicides out of the system and it breaks down. Maybe what this is what you are talking about but I cant see it in the speech I read! - Help - ? Cheers Lloyd Charles
Re: McDonald's Start's Organic Bid
Dairy CAFOs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Posted: 01/10/2003 By [EMAIL PROTECTED] The first clip comes from: SEAFOOD.COM (Foodservice) "web site forcommercial seafood buyers, sellers and consumers" Jan 8, 2003 fromhttp://www.seafood.com/news/current/84887.html--START COPY--McDonald's Starts Organic Bid to Lure Customers in UK and Europe - Marketing Week -Embattled fast-food chain McDonald's is to start sellingorganic produce in its restaurants from next month in adesperate attempt to curry public favour. The company willreplace all cartons of non-organic milk with organic milk,but it will continue to use non-organic milk in milkshakesand sundaes.The global outfit, famous for its processed food, says thechange is in response to customer demand. It claims it wasunable to offer organic milk before because it could notguarantee adequate supplies.The news comes as the fast-food giant warns it will make aquarterly loss for the first time in its 47-year history forthe period ending December 31, 2002. It is in the process ofclosing restaurants around the world, including at least sixsites in London.In August last year, its Swedish restaurants began sellingorganic milk and organic ice cream. Sweden's McDonald's alsosaid it was considering organic coffee, but had ruled outselling organic burgers.In the UK, McDonald's has been selling free-range eggs forthe past two years in its breakfast products.In June, the company announced a three-year #300,000sponsorship of the Food Animal Initiative (FAI), a researchproject launched by Oxford University to find a mid-waypoint between organic farming and modern farming methods.McDonald's says it is considering selling other organicproducts, such as ice cream, in the future, but adds thatits strategy will be influenced by developments at the FAI.--END COPY--2003 Centaur Communications Ltd or its licensors.The second story comes from:AnanovaJan 8, 2003fromhttp://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_737567.html--START COPY--McDonald's switches to organic milkMcDonald's is to start selling cartons of organic milk inits UK outlets.The chain will switch to selling only carton milk fromorganically-reared British cows from next month.It said the move was a "natural progression", having alreadychanged to free-range eggs in its breakfasts.The decision only affects milk in cartons and will not, fornow, extend to other ingredients such as milkshakes.McDonald's has been forced to make major changes aftersuffering falling sales. It issued a profits warning lastmonth and is expected to post its first quarterly loss inits 47-year history later this month.The company already sells organic milk and ice cream at itsoutlets in Sweden. In the UK, it will use organic milksupplied by processor Express Dairies at its plant inAshby-de-la-Zouch, Leicestershire.The milk, which goes on sale on February 2, will besemi-skimmed and cost 41p to take-away and 49p to drink inthe restaurant - the same as for the current non-organicmilk.Amanda Pierce, McDonald's spokeswoman, said: "Up untilrecently there hasn't been enough supply of organic milk inthe UK but it's something we are able to do now."We estimate that the milk we sell will represent 3.4% ofthe total market for liquid organic milk in the UK."--END COPY--How to Use this Mailing ListYou received this e-mail as a result of your registration on the dairycafos mailing list.To unsubscribe, please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In the body of the message type:unsubscribe dairycafosFor a list of other commands and list options, please send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. In the body of the message type:helpPlease direct content questions about this list to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Please direct technical questions about this service to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 4:43 PM Subject: Re: McDonald's Start's Organic Bid Christy, I can search "Marketing Week" for this article, but do you have more definate source info? at least date? ___Barry Lia \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Seattle WA On Sat, 11 Jan 2003 19:48:50 -0600 "The Korrows" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: McDonald's Starts Organic Bid to Lure Customers in UK and Europe - Marketing Week -Embattled fast-food chain McDonald's is to start sellingorganic produce in its restaurants from next month in adesperate attempt to curry public favour. The company willreplace all cartons of non-organic milk with organic milk,but it will continue to use non-organic milk in milkshakesand sundaes.The global outfit, famous for its processed
Re: GREG WILLIS: FWD Fixing Steiner Agriculture: a footnote
In a message dated 1/12/03 10:57:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are now entering the wintertime crystallization period which extends from January 15 to February 15. Steiner discusses this on page 30. Neophytes and experienced Steinerites alike should know that Steiner, when giving a lecture, often referred to only one part of a vaster subject so as not to get sidetracked or confuse his audience. So it is with the concept of crystallization. The crystallization period is that time when the cosmic forces work to keep the earth atoms in existence. bla, bla, bla... Here on the Green Thumb Farm the spray season never ends. The Fall gets heavy applications of 500, bc, and equisetum and 501. This is done as sequential sprays leading up to the Three King's Remedy, [6Jan]. This is done over our 100 acres. It is now mid Winter, and yes the crystallization forces are at their peak. This week, during the mid Winter full moon, [which is waxing] we shall start a series of 500 sprays over the whole farm. By the Spring the soil will be bursting with Mycorrhizal fungi, visible to the unaided eye. The earthworms will be rarin' to go...spray on, SStorch
Re: Greg Willis: Fwd: Fixing Steiner Agriculture #2 The Power Of Myth
In a message dated 1/12/03 10:58:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JPI refuse to recognize it or use it. Astonishing! in reference to clay that is wrong...sstorch
Northern Star Calendar
I now have a copy of this calendar created by Brian Keats. It starts Easter 2003 and also draws attention to the moon's rhythm in relation to weather which I find very interesting. At the back is mentioned a website of Ken Ring's (in NZ) www.predictweather.com Besides weather predictions for New Zealand, the site has some interesting articles on the hole in the ozone and global warming which are quite opposite to current thinking, but he makes a lot of sense to me. I was wondering if anyone else is familiar with Ken Ring's ideas and could comment. Eve
Off: FYI
...Read today in the toronto sun news 2 U.S.-based firms have reportedly asked the relevant canadian gov.dept. : Would the import to canada (for human consumption) of cloned animals be permitted? That's it. will track,manfred
Fw: Hillbillies Fight Back
The campaign below came across a local e-list. My reply follows: ** Mr. Leslie MoonvesCBS Television City7800 W Beverly BoulevardLos Angeles, CA 90036(323)575-2345[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Mr. Moonves, It is egregious that rural people should be made the butt of a situation comedy putting them in an urban environment. Their plight is largely at the expense of a food system geared for the benefit of the urban consumer (please read "The Unsettling of America" by rural agrarian, Wendell Berry). I'd suggest you rather put affluent urban folks in a situation comedy putting them in a rural environment. That might teach the nation!___Barry Lia \ [EMAIL PROTECTED] \ Seattle WA ** The Center for Rural Strategies, based in Whitesburg, KY, is appealingfor nationwide help in stopping a proposed CBS Television program, "RealBeverly Hillbillies," that demeans rural people. Details on their campaign are available on the Center's website: http://www.ruralstrategies.org CBS plans to take a real family from rural America and put them ondisplay in a Beverly Hills mansion as part of a new reality-basedprogram. The producers of the so-called Real Beverly Hillbillies arelooking for a low-income, multigenerational family from a rural area tobe the real-life cast. They want a family with limited education andminimal exposure to travel. The joke is that this family won't know how to live with money,servants, modern appliances, prepared food, and other conveniences of21st century life. But lots of folks aren't laughing. Because CBS's show will ridicule andmock people based on stereotypes and economic status. You can help stop CBS and show the network that deriding rural peoplefor the sake of corporate profit is wrong.
Re: Northern Star Calendar
- Original Message - From: Eve Cruse At the back is mentioned a website of Ken Ring's (in NZ) www.predictweather.com Besides weather predictions for New Zealand, the site has some interesting articles on the hole in the ozone and global warming which are quite opposite to current thinking, but he makes a lot of sense to me. I was wondering if anyone else is familiar with Ken Ring's ideas and could comment. Eve Hi Eve That is a fascinating site - thanks for the tip Lloyd Charles
