Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
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Curtis,
You make some good points. I will be leaving in about 10 minutes for a
vacation, and wont
be
back until Monday, so if you wouldn't mind sending an email to the list Monday as a
reminder, I
will submit the code then.
Thanks,
David
David,
Just a reminder regarding posting your alternative to CGI.pm (and thanks to niko for
reminding me
to remind you :)
Cheers,
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Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
Curtis,
Thanks for the reminder, I'll get it up shortly after I get home from work. About
5:00pm
Mountain Time.
David
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Curtis,
You make some good points. I will be leaving in about 10 minutes for a
vacation, and wont
be
back until Monday, so if you wouldn't mind sending an email to the list Monday as a
reminder, I
will submit the code then.
Thanks,
David
David,
Just a reminder regarding posting your alternative to CGI.pm (and thanks to niko for
reminding me
to remind you :)
Cheers,
Curtis Ovid Poe
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RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
Picky, picky. :) You're right, my bad. use CGI; my $q = new CGI; my %params = $q-Vars; SR -Original Message- From: Felix Geerinckx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:54:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scot Robnett) wrote: Its pretty hard to make it more simple than: use Form; my %input = Form(); Let me try. use CGI; %params = $q-Vars; Try again. Your code throws the following error: Can't call method Vars on an undefined value ... -- felix -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
The difference is, the efficiency and data structure CGI.pm returns. Mine came to
I think 72
times faster when not uploading images, and 2.5 times faster when uploading images.
I'm not saying
CGI.pm is written poorly or anything, I am saying that it is a little bit bloated and
has a lot of
functionality that is not needed (especially if the only thing you are doing with it
is receiving
input).
Well personally, I've always used
print Content-type:text/html\n\n;
but somebody told me this was not the spec, so I read through the spec and looked up
how CGI.pm was
doing it and what I found was
${CRLF}${CRLF}
as the \n\n replacement. I of coarse should have looked a little higher where they
defined $CRLF,
or at least tested what I had read before posting it, but oh well. From here on out,
I'll stick
with what I've known to work instead.
Like I've said before, it doesn't make much sense to make a wrapper for CGI.pm so
that I can
have things the way I want them, because this is doubling the work necessary. I'm not
making my lib
to prove superior, or to say anything like mine is better. I have simply found a very
positive
solution for me (quick and in a structure that works well for me). If others like my
solution, and
it works well for them too, more power to them. I will post mine on CPAN, if nobody
else in the
world feels it is a good solution for them, that's just fine with me. If people like
my solution,
but have a few suggestions of how to improve it, I welcome that.
One thing I am open to after posting my lib to CPAN is suggestions. I'm not
exactly close
minded here, I'm just the type of person who if I'm not perfectly happy with the way
something works
(whether programming or in the real world), I determine whether I can fix it, if I can
I do.
Because this lib puts the received values in a structure that I like to work with, in
my mind it
fixes things.
David
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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 11:12 PM
Subject: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
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I'm sure I'll get lots of hate mail from CGI.pm die hard's, but my
other choice is to just not
Not trying to post hate mail, just reasoning on the subject.
post this at all. What I hope for is several people telling me how to
make it slightly more
efficient or compatible with other OS's (you see I've only had opportunity
to test it on Linux and
Win2000, though I've been testing it on Linux for about 2 1/2 years).
Lincoln Stein (the original author of CGI.pm) already has (lots of) people
doing this for him, and his module has been maintained for around 10 years.
Its been tested on scores of OS's. Ive read four of his books. There is a
book dedicated to CGI.pm. My point is his module has been rigorously
debugged and you are just now here asking people for help debugging yours.
Its pretty hard to make it more simple than:
use Form;
my %input = Form();
But something else has already made it that easy.
Im not knocking your module. Im just explaining why people like us trust
people like Lincoln Stein's module over yours. For example, Ive seen alot of
hand rolled CGI parameter parsers, most of them have a line that says:
@pairs = split(//, $ENV{QUERY_STRING}); # WRONG!!
This works when the user agent uses an as a delimeter, but some user
agents use ; (a semicolon) which is perfectly valid. program chokes. Then
people are in the newsgroups trying to get others to help track down a very,
VERY difficult-to-track bug. But at the end of the post they say, I dont
want to use CGI.pm! Floors me. Really floors me. And this is just one of
several examples I've seen.
So I know, when I say:
print $q-header();
Its going to get it right.
BTW, I find the source to CGI.pm very easy to read and makes alot of sence.
Ive seen suggestions from you in this thread that are either wrong or wont
even work. (What does this do- print Content-type:
text/html${CRLF}${CRLF};) Which tells us again Mr. Stein has a thorough
understanding of the HTTP protocol, while you stll have a little to learn.
Again, this is NOT a flame. I suggest accepting the constructive criticism
professionally.
Todd W.
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Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
my point stands :)
So out of curiosity, what kind of data structure do you get back with this? If its as
I would
imagine, then its very close to my own.
%hash = (
'a_name' = 'value', # for single name value pairs
'b_name' = [multiple, values, for, this], # for single name muli-value
sets
'c_name' = {
'original_name' = 'filename.jpg',
'size' = '23554',
'location' =
'/tmp/fileupload/tmpfile-10028983-88.57.192.3-2783-298374-927837'
} # for files
);
Of coarse I know the image information is not in there the same way.
David
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From: Scot Robnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Felix Geerinckx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
Picky, picky. :)
You're right, my bad.
use CGI;
my $q = new CGI;
my %params = $q-Vars;
SR
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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:16 AM
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Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:54:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scot Robnett)
wrote:
Its pretty hard to make it more simple than:
use Form;
my %input = Form();
Let me try.
use CGI;
%params = $q-Vars;
Try again. Your code throws the following error:
Can't call method Vars on an undefined value ...
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RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
I haven't seen the rest of your module, so I'm not so sure that the point
really stands. It might. But, adding one line to initialize the CGI object
is really not that big a deal considering the kind of power you have
associated with that object. How much extra work do I have to do to utilize
the keys and values in your hash vs. the CGI.pm hash?
The data structure you get back from CGI.pm is:
- Called in a scalar context, a tied hash reference.
- Called in a list context, a standard hash
containing key/value pairs.
- Keys/params with multiple values are returned
as a packed string separated by \0.
Scot R.
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Cc: Felix Geerinckx
Subject: Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
my point stands :)
So out of curiosity, what kind of data structure do you get back with this?
If its as I would
imagine, then its very close to my own.
%hash = (
'a_name' = 'value', # for single name value pairs
'b_name' = [multiple, values, for, this], # for single name
muli-value sets
'c_name' = {
'original_name' = 'filename.jpg',
'size' = '23554',
'location' =
'/tmp/fileupload/tmpfile-10028983-88.57.192.3-2783-298374-927837'
} # for files
);
Of coarse I know the image information is not in there the same way.
David
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From: Scot Robnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Felix Geerinckx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
Picky, picky. :)
You're right, my bad.
use CGI;
my $q = new CGI;
my %params = $q-Vars;
SR
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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:16 AM
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Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:54:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scot Robnett)
wrote:
Its pretty hard to make it more simple than:
use Form;
my %input = Form();
Let me try.
use CGI;
%params = $q-Vars;
Try again. Your code throws the following error:
Can't call method Vars on an undefined value ...
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Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
by the way, :) is a smiley, it means I'm joking with you. (reference the last email)
With mine, there is nothing beyond what I described. The hash structure I gave you
below, that's
it. Form.pm takes the input, makes a hash with it, and if you understand how to use a
hash and
array ref, your set. Its just a hash, no objects, no functions, just a hash.
So you use:
use Form.pm
my %input = Form();
and your done. All the data is sitting in the hash %input. You can at that point do
anything you
want to with it.
Like I say, simple and efficient.
If you decide you want to know what you are getting from the cgi input, simply do
something to this
effect:
---
foreach $key(keys(%input)){ # loop through all of the hash elements
if (ref($input{$key}) eq ARRAY){ # if this is an array ref
local $ = ', '; # change the array delimiter to , temporarily for
display
print qq^\@{\$input{$key}} = (@{$input{$key}})\n^;
# print out the array's values
# (make it easy to see which name in the hash this array belongs to)
} else { # if its not an array ref
print qq^\$input{$key} = $input{$key}\n^; # print out the hash element
}
}
---
Anyway, you will be able to get a closer look at it within a months time if you so
choose.
David
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From: Scot Robnett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
I haven't seen the rest of your module, so I'm not so sure that the point
really stands. It might. But, adding one line to initialize the CGI object
is really not that big a deal considering the kind of power you have
associated with that object. How much extra work do I have to do to utilize
the keys and values in your hash vs. the CGI.pm hash?
The data structure you get back from CGI.pm is:
- Called in a scalar context, a tied hash reference.
- Called in a list context, a standard hash
containing key/value pairs.
- Keys/params with multiple values are returned
as a packed string separated by \0.
Scot R.
inSite
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Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 10:44 AM
To: Scot Robnett; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Felix Geerinckx
Subject: Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
my point stands :)
So out of curiosity, what kind of data structure do you get back with this?
If its as I would
imagine, then its very close to my own.
%hash = (
'a_name' = 'value', # for single name value pairs
'b_name' = [multiple, values, for, this], # for single name
muli-value sets
'c_name' = {
'original_name' = 'filename.jpg',
'size' = '23554',
'location' =
'/tmp/fileupload/tmpfile-10028983-88.57.192.3-2783-298374-927837'
} # for files
);
Of coarse I know the image information is not in there the same way.
David
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: Felix Geerinckx [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 8:29 AM
Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
Picky, picky. :)
You're right, my bad.
use CGI;
my $q = new CGI;
my %params = $q-Vars;
SR
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From: Felix Geerinckx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 2:16 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
on Thu, 27 Jun 2002 02:54:10 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Scot Robnett)
wrote:
Its pretty hard to make it more simple than:
use Form;
my %input = Form();
Let me try.
use CGI;
%params = $q-Vars;
Try again. Your code throws the following error:
Can't call method Vars on an undefined value ...
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After all, Hubris is one of St. Larry's Three Cardinal Virtues! So this seems to me to be a properly Perl-ish attitude. - John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... minded here, I'm just the type of person who if I'm not perfectly happy with the way something works (whether programming or in the real world), I determine whether I can fix it, if I can I do. = Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything that I want; or, I'm still alive, and there's nothing I want to do. - They Might Be Giants, http://www.tmbg.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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That actually has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with the strong desire to improve circumstances, be innovative, make the world a better place. If you want to call me arrogant for trying to improve my surroundings, go right ahead, but your tacking the wrong name on me. David - Original Message - From: John Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Todd Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems After all, Hubris is one of St. Larry's Three Cardinal Virtues! So this seems to me to be a properly Perl-ish attitude. - John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... minded here, I'm just the type of person who if I'm not perfectly happy with the way something works (whether programming or in the real world), I determine whether I can fix it, if I can I do. = Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything that I want; or, I'm still alive, and there's nothing I want to do. - They Might Be Giants, http://www.tmbg.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
True. Whew, my hand hurts from all that extra typing. ;) Scot R. -Original Message- From: John Brooking [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 1:50 PM To: Scot Robnett; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Felix Geerinckx Subject: RE: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems See?! Your version just expanded by 50% !! ;-) --- Scot Robnett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Picky, picky. :) You're right, my bad. use CGI; my $q = new CGI; my %params = $q-Vars; = Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything that I want; or, I'm still alive, and there's nothing I want to do. - They Might Be Giants, http://www.tmbg.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release Date: 6/20/2002 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Oh, dear, I was afraid that that message might be misinterpreted! I thought my humor was evident enough by the informal language, but I guess I should have put a smiley on it too. I didn't mean hubris in a bad sense. The sense I get from Larry's use of it (from reading the Camel book), and the sense I meant here, was having enough self-confidence to believe that you *can* do all the things you mention, rather than just putting up with what is handed to you because you're too humble to think that little old you could do better. It might tend towards arrogance in some cases, maybe, especially when unwarranted by the actual talent behind it, but true arrogance connotes more negative personality traits, such as not being open to other points of view or debate, and that's *not* what I meant. I did assume familiarity with Larry's philosophy of Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris as The Basis of All Good Software Design, and maybe I shouldn't have. I'd quote some of this from the Camel book, but I don't have it with me. I would summarize it as good programmers don't like write the same thing over and over, yet if they don't like something they got elsewhere, they'll write something themselves that they like better. I suspect he intentionally chose provocative words to get people's attention, but his claim that they lead to good software design implies that far from being bad traits, he thinks that they are actually good traits, properly applied. I apologize that my message was taken negatively. I meant it positively. I support the spirit of your effort. - John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That actually has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with the strong desire to improve circumstances, be innovative, make the world a better place. If you want to call me arrogant for trying to improve my surroundings, go right ahead, but your tacking the wrong name on me. David - Original Message - From: John Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Todd Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems After all, Hubris is one of St. Larry's Three Cardinal Virtues! So this seems to me to be a properly Perl-ish attitude. - John = Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything that I want; or, I'm still alive, and there's nothing I want to do. - They Might Be Giants, http://www.tmbg.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
No offence taken, I have heard the word hubris before, but I wasn't certain of the meaning, so naturally I looked it up (now that you mention it, I have heard that quote out of the Camel book before). At first I thought it was a compliment the way you said it and all, but after seeing dictionary.com's definition, I wondered. Well thank you for the compliment. David - Original Message - From: John Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 3:39 PM Subject: Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems Oh, dear, I was afraid that that message might be misinterpreted! I thought my humor was evident enough by the informal language, but I guess I should have put a smiley on it too. I didn't mean hubris in a bad sense. The sense I get from Larry's use of it (from reading the Camel book), and the sense I meant here, was having enough self-confidence to believe that you *can* do all the things you mention, rather than just putting up with what is handed to you because you're too humble to think that little old you could do better. It might tend towards arrogance in some cases, maybe, especially when unwarranted by the actual talent behind it, but true arrogance connotes more negative personality traits, such as not being open to other points of view or debate, and that's *not* what I meant. I did assume familiarity with Larry's philosophy of Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris as The Basis of All Good Software Design, and maybe I shouldn't have. I'd quote some of this from the Camel book, but I don't have it with me. I would summarize it as good programmers don't like write the same thing over and over, yet if they don't like something they got elsewhere, they'll write something themselves that they like better. I suspect he intentionally chose provocative words to get people's attention, but his claim that they lead to good software design implies that far from being bad traits, he thinks that they are actually good traits, properly applied. I apologize that my message was taken negatively. I meant it positively. I support the spirit of your effort. - John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That actually has nothing to do with it. It has everything to do with the strong desire to improve circumstances, be innovative, make the world a better place. If you want to call me arrogant for trying to improve my surroundings, go right ahead, but your tacking the wrong name on me. David - Original Message - From: John Brooking [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Todd Wade [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2002 12:57 PM Subject: Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems After all, Hubris is one of St. Larry's Three Cardinal Virtues! So this seems to me to be a properly Perl-ish attitude. - John = Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything that I want; or, I'm still alive, and there's nothing I want to do. - They Might Be Giants, http://www.tmbg.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CGI.pm v/s roll-your-own [WAS:] Displaying Problems
On Thu, 27 Jun 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] opined: :With mine, there is nothing beyond what I described. The hash structure I gave you :below, that's :it. Form.pm takes the input, makes a hash with it, and if you understand how to use :a hash and :array ref, your set. Its just a hash, no objects, no functions, just a hash. : :So you use: : :use Form.pm :my %input = Form(); : :and your done. All the data is sitting in the hash %input. You can at that point do :anything you :want to with it. : :Like I say, simple and efficient. can you limit upload sizes? can you disable uploads altogether? how does it handle errors, especially during file uploads? can you exclude undefined parameters from the parameter list? does it have a debug mode? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
