Re: HTML in E-mail
--- David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scot, et al -- ...and then Scot Robnett said... % % I don't personally share the 'HTML e-mail is evil' philosophy. And even if ... snip ... (if, in fact, he hasn't solved this already; Camilo's email intimated that he had, which means we're pursuing the ultimate beating of a dead horse here :-) If I may be allowed to beat the poor dead horse a little more, and at the risk of reviving this thread, but playing devil's advocate because, after all, this *is* a beginners' list: Why is HTML mail evil? (If you believe it is.) Because it can be so easily hacked? That's a big reason, but are there others I don't know about? I can imagine average Joe User saying But of *course* I want to be able to format my email with 10 different font faces, sizes, and colors. Plain text is for geeks. Is maybe Rich Text Format the real answer? - John = Now it's over, I'm dead, and I haven't done anything that I want; or, I'm still alive, and there's nothing I want to do. - They Might Be Giants, http://www.tmbg.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! - Official partner of 2002 FIFA World Cup http://fifaworldcup.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
John, et al -- ...and then John Brooking said... % % --- David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % ...and then Scot Robnett said... % % % % I don't personally share the 'HTML e-mail is evil' ... % intimated that he had, which means we're pursuing % the ultimate beating of % a dead horse here :-) % % If I may be allowed to beat the poor dead horse a *grin* % little more, and at the risk of reviving this thread, Uh oh; that certainly could happen. % but playing devil's advocate because, after all, this % *is* a beginners' list: % % Why is HTML mail evil? (If you believe it is.) % % Because it can be so easily hacked? That's a big % reason, but are there others I don't know about? First, I should say that in a different world, it probably wouldn't be so bad. If everyone had robust and secure MUAs (gee, mutt comes to mind, though you can still manage to screw up even with it sometimes) then we wouldn't have to worry about embedded javascript or VBS or whatnot tearing open security holes because, regardless of whether or not such holes existed, the MUA would keep the garbage in its own sandbox instead of letting it run all over the system or send packages back to its master. So then we come to why someone does HTML mail in the first place... It's probably for just the font stuff you mention, but then people add stationery images and buttons and email envelope icons and whatnot and suddenly you have a very, very, very large message that says Come to my house on Thursday. It's an incredible waste of space and resources. And before you say oh, heck, bandwidth is cheap, remember that not everyone in the US has broadband access and much of the world outside the US not only doesn't have fast access but also has to pay by the minute for even local phone calls. Imagine how happy you'd be to download someone else's idea of stationery for an extra two and a half minutes while dialing long distance (and, no, not the cheap LD we have here in the States, either, but like it was in 1978 at $.25/min). Finally, then, we come back around to another security hole: profiling and tracking. Even if it isn't displayed, an HTML message can embed an img tag that goes off to a tracking site and and pips the IP address, at the very least, of who just read the message. What a great way to see how far and wide your spam (or virus) is traveling and fine-tune your marketing. That's by no means an exhaustive overview, but I think it covers the basics. I would *love* to discuss this more and hear from others on the topic, but I fear that we would quickly go far, far, off-topic and wear thin the patience of many (most?) on the list. % % I can imagine average Joe User saying But of % *course* I want to be able to format my email with 10 % different font faces, sizes, and colors. Plain text is % for geeks. Heh. Little does the average Joe know, too :-) Plain text rules! Your pseudo-quote reminds me of the Mac Font Wheel spoof of years back :-) % % Is maybe Rich Text Format the real answer? It's certainly a better answer than HTML with its embedded images and javascript and the like. % % - John HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05129/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: HTML in E-mail
To new perlmongers: I hope that whoever started this thread isn't the one who is send out the ugliest spam (HTML attached as a txt file) to mine and others accounts. I don't get much spam, but the only reason I do is because people on lists, such as this one, take the e-mails and spam them. I fore warn all spammers that taking e-mails from this and other lists and sending mail to them is unsolicited and *I* will report you to your ISP, as I have already done in the past. I also know that many others also do the same and report their spam. I know it's not perl related, but it is related to this list and others. Nikola Janceski If at first you don't succeed, try, try again. Then give up. no use being a damned fool about it. -- W.C. Fields -Original Message- From: David T-G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 9:56 AM To: perl beginners cgi Cc: John Brooking Subject: Re: HTML in E-mail John, et al -- ...and then John Brooking said... % % --- David T-G [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % ...and then Scot Robnett said... % % % % I don't personally share the 'HTML e-mail is evil' ... % intimated that he had, which means we're pursuing % the ultimate beating of % a dead horse here :-) % % If I may be allowed to beat the poor dead horse a *grin* % little more, and at the risk of reviving this thread, Uh oh; that certainly could happen. % but playing devil's advocate because, after all, this % *is* a beginners' list: % % Why is HTML mail evil? (If you believe it is.) % % Because it can be so easily hacked? That's a big % reason, but are there others I don't know about? First, I should say that in a different world, it probably wouldn't be so bad. If everyone had robust and secure MUAs (gee, mutt comes to mind, though you can still manage to screw up even with it sometimes) then we wouldn't have to worry about embedded javascript or VBS or whatnot tearing open security holes because, regardless of whether or not such holes existed, the MUA would keep the garbage in its own sandbox instead of letting it run all over the system or send packages back to its master. So then we come to why someone does HTML mail in the first place... It's probably for just the font stuff you mention, but then people add stationery images and buttons and email envelope icons and whatnot and suddenly you have a very, very, very large message that says Come to my house on Thursday. It's an incredible waste of space and resources. And before you say oh, heck, bandwidth is cheap, remember that not everyone in the US has broadband access and much of the world outside the US not only doesn't have fast access but also has to pay by the minute for even local phone calls. Imagine how happy you'd be to download someone else's idea of stationery for an extra two and a half minutes while dialing long distance (and, no, not the cheap LD we have here in the States, either, but like it was in 1978 at $.25/min). Finally, then, we come back around to another security hole: profiling and tracking. Even if it isn't displayed, an HTML message can embed an img tag that goes off to a tracking site and and pips the IP address, at the very least, of who just read the message. What a great way to see how far and wide your spam (or virus) is traveling and fine-tune your marketing. That's by no means an exhaustive overview, but I think it covers the basics. I would *love* to discuss this more and hear from others on the topic, but I fear that we would quickly go far, far, off-topic and wear thin the patience of many (most?) on the list. % % I can imagine average Joe User saying But of % *course* I want to be able to format my email with 10 % different font faces, sizes, and colors. Plain text is % for geeks. Heh. Little does the average Joe know, too :-) Plain text rules! Your pseudo-quote reminds me of the Mac Font Wheel spoof of years back :-) % % Is maybe Rich Text Format the real answer? It's certainly a better answer than HTML with its embedded images and javascript and the like. % % - John HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
Nikola Janceski wrote: To new perlmongers: I hope that whoever started this thread isn't the one who is send out the ugliest spam (HTML attached as a txt file) to mine and others accounts. I don't get much spam, but the only reason I do is because people on lists, such as this one, take the e-mails and spam them. I fore warn all spammers that taking e-mails from this and other lists and sending mail to them is unsolicited and *I* will report you to your ISP, as I have already done in the past. I also know that many others also do the same and report their spam. I know it's not perl related, but it is related to this list and others. Nikola Janceski just out of curiousity, how can you tell the difference of new spam with all the regular stuff going around? I dont care how many times I get a new email account, spam pops in after a week :) -- --- Just Your Friendly Neighborhood _SPIDEY_ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
Nikola -- ...and then Nikola Janceski said... % % To new perlmongers: % % I hope that whoever started this thread isn't the one who is send out the % ugliest spam (HTML attached as a txt file) to mine and others accounts. I I just have to ask, because I'm a bit lost... Do you mean when you get spam in general, or did this thread include some spam to which you refer? % don't get much spam, but the only reason I do is because people on lists, % such as this one, take the e-mails and spam them. I fore warn all spammers If you're talking about getting spam in general, I hate to have to be the one to tell you that you're not quite right. This, just like many, many other lists, is archived. A quick trip to google to put in the search query [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive [EMAIL PROTECTED] turned up http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg24627.html as the first of 316 results. Clearly you're out there already, and it doesn't take anything as bothersome as subscribing to a list to grab your address. If you aren't using SpamAssassin already (hey, we're back on topic, since it's written in perl!), you should check it out. You might also look into TMDA (even if it is written in Python ;-) to generate controllable return mail addresses if you can get away from LookOut! for your mail. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05133/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: HTML in E-mail
Even thought my e-mail is out on the web. It is not posted as an account to freely send advertising e-mails to. Spam is unsolicited e-mail so if I didn't sign up on website that EXPLICITLY states by disclosing your e-mail you agree to the Terms of our conditions, which the Terms would state some garble of being sent regular e-mails from them or other companies, etc. etc. I don't recall seeing that in the e-mail for this and other perl lists. (most of this only applies for the U.S.) But I don't use this account for that. I use this account for work and perllists, and my other accounts for signups. Too bad I can't use SpamAssassin since I am not admin and I am forced to use M$ LOOKout. I cannot filter my e-mails other than using the crappy rules wizard in Outlook (212 rules and counting). (no they don't allow POP3 access or any other way... try as I might the sysadmins say too bad sucka) Poor me stuck with SH1Tty mail programs at work. -Original Message- From: David T-G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 10:15 AM To: perl beginners cgi Cc: Nikola Janceski Subject: Re: HTML in E-mail Nikola -- ...and then Nikola Janceski said... % % To new perlmongers: % % I hope that whoever started this thread isn't the one who is send out the % ugliest spam (HTML attached as a txt file) to mine and others accounts. I I just have to ask, because I'm a bit lost... Do you mean when you get spam in general, or did this thread include some spam to which you refer? % don't get much spam, but the only reason I do is because people on lists, % such as this one, take the e-mails and spam them. I fore warn all spammers If you're talking about getting spam in general, I hate to have to be the one to tell you that you're not quite right. This, just like many, many other lists, is archived. A quick trip to google to put in the search query [EMAIL PROTECTED] archive [EMAIL PROTECTED] turned up http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/msg24627.html as the first of 316 results. Clearly you're out there already, and it doesn't take anything as bothersome as subscribing to a list to grab your address. If you aren't using SpamAssassin already (hey, we're back on topic, since it's written in perl!), you should check it out. You might also look into TMDA (even if it is written in Python ;-) to generate controllable return mail addresses if you can get away from LookOut! for your mail. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! The views and opinions expressed in this email message are the sender's own, and do not necessarily represent the views and opinions of Summit Systems Inc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
Nikola, et al -- ...and then Nikola Janceski said... % % Even thought my e-mail is out on the web. It is not posted as an account to % freely send advertising e-mails to. Spam is unsolicited e-mail so if I True, and unfair, but not the fault of the list. I thought I understood you to say that nasty spammers sign up on lists to gather addresses, when that certainly isn't necessary. % didn't sign up on website that EXPLICITLY states by disclosing your e-mail % you agree to the Terms of our conditions, which the Terms would state some % garble of being sent regular e-mails from them or other companies, etc. etc. % I don't recall seeing that in the e-mail for this and other perl lists. % (most of this only applies for the U.S.) And, in fact, I'm willing to bet a Twinkie that the perl lists haven't shared your email info. The various archive sites might have, though, by putting the posts up for all to search. Such is the price, you might say, of having such a resource available. [Admittedly, it would be nice if *all* archives out there, as well as the various list servers that offer back copies, did some sort of address mutilation to defeat spammers, but the problem is that it will always have to be not only formulaic but in fact translatable by a person, and so there will always be a programmatic way to unwrap the mess and get a valid address out, so it's hardly worth the effort -- and, undoubtedly, why they don't.] % % But I don't use this account for that. I use this account for work and % perllists, and my other accounts for signups. Too bad I can't use Fair enough. You might try talking them into giving you a special address to use for lists; have your rules wizard bounce posts from the lists to you over to your real account and just let the aging function autotrash whatever else lands in there. Hmmm... Perhaps you should make your current account the published box and have a new, clean mailbox set up to catch the good stuff :-) The amazing thing is that your IT department happily accepts all of this spam, thus accepting the load on their servers and the drain on your time. It would serve *them* well to implement SA at a system-wide level, and you'd get benefits as a side effect! % SpamAssassin since I am not admin and I am forced to use M$ LOOKout. I % cannot filter my e-mails other than using the crappy rules wizard in Outlook % (212 rules and counting). (no they don't allow POP3 access or any other % way... try as I might the sysadmins say too bad sucka) No IMAP, either? I haven't seen anyone turn that off yet, though I'm sure it can be done. Hey, if your company wants to pay you to sit and sort through spam, have fun with it; visit all the porn sites and then blame it on Outhouse. Meanwhile, save all of the spam you get to a PST stored on the server (or, better yet, in a folder under your INBOX if they don't have autoaging enforced across the system). % % Poor me stuck with SH1Tty mail programs at work. Start a revolution! :-) I should probably be quiet now; we've definitely strayed, unless you plan to bring up writing a perl MAPI module to talk to your mail and get rid of the spam... HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05136/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HTML in E-mail
Nikola Janceski wrote: Poor me stuck with SH1Tty mail programs at work. kevin - will you do us all a favor and close this thread? it was never on topic, and has now degraded to a soapbox where a few subscribers are simply airing their opinions. all subscribers - please remember to keep your posts on topic (this is a beginners-cgi perl list), and if you want to trade opinions on which is the best/worst email client, best/worst format for email, best/worst whore in cleveland, or whatever, please email each other privately and leave the list out of it! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
fliptop wrote: best/worst whore in cleveland, or whatever, i dont know what kinda perl code you were working on there ;) ... but i found some of the conversation somewhat helpful.. like the SpamAssassin reference. i never heard of that.. now i can look into it.. -- --- Just Your Friendly Neighborhood _SPIDEY_ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HTML in E-mail
This solved it, thank you very much.
I didnt know this was such a religious topic.
Camilo Gonzalez [EMAIL PROTECTED] 06/03/02 03:37PM
Fred,
Thank Jah this problem was recently successfully solved! Try this:
open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t);
print MAIL Content-Type: text/html\n;
print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL From: fsahakia\
@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL Subject: Forwarded \n\n;
print MAIL This person has requested \n;
etc...
-Original Message-
From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:19 PM
To:
Subject: HTML in E-mail
What am doing wrong? Im try to send an e-mail that will appear as formatted
HTML, Im missing something but dont know what. In my example below I have a
hyperlink which I would like to appear as HTML and a font color, but they
appear in the e-mail as raw HTML, what am I leaving out? A Mime?:
open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t);
print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL From: fsahakia\
@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL Subject: Forwarded \n;
print MAIL This person has requested \n;
print MAIL font color=redtest text/fonta
href=http://www.SOMETHING.COM;LINK/A\n;
print MAIL County: $contents{'county'}
Name: $contents{'first'} $contents{'last'}
Address: $contents{'street'} $contents{'city'}
$contents{'zip'}
Date of Birth: $contents{'month'}
$contents{'day'} $contents{'year'}
Home Telephone: $contents{'htel'}
close MAIL;
Re: HTML in E-mail
Christopher G Tantalo wrote: fliptop wrote: best/worst whore in cleveland, or whatever, i dont know what kinda perl code you were working on there ;) .. but i found some of the conversation somewhat helpful.. like the SpamAssassin reference. i never heard of that.. now i can look into it.. it was an example of how off-topic this thread is. if you don't read perl.com regularly, you should start immediately: http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/03/06/spam.html (posted on march 6, 2002). -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ADMIN - THREAD CLOSED] Re: HTML in E-mail
I was just catching up on this thread, and see that it has spiraled out of the realm of 'on topic' for this list. Please consider this thread closed, and take it off-list if needed. Thanks for your cooperation. Cheers, Kevin -- [Writing CGI Applications with Perl - http://perlcgi-book.com] If you were going to shoot a mime, would you use a silencer? -- Steven Wright -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
Fred -- ...and then Fred Sahakian said... % % This solved it, thank you very much. Good deal. For the purposes of the list, that's the important part. Did you use the headers as written or construct or proper MIME structure in your message? % % I didnt know this was such a religious topic. BWA HA HA HAHAHA! :-) HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05144/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
HTML in E-mail
What am doing wrong? Im try to send an e-mail that will appear as formatted HTML, Im
missing something but dont know what. In my example below I have a hyperlink which I
would like to appear as HTML and a font color, but they appear in the e-mail as raw
HTML, what am I leaving out? A Mime?:
open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t);
print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL From: fsahakia\
courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL Subject: Forwarded \n;
print MAIL This person has requested \n;
print MAIL font color=redtest text/fonta
href=http://www.SOMETHING.COM;LINK/A\n;
print MAIL County: $contents{'county'}
Name: $contents{'first'} $contents{'last'}
Address: $contents{'street'} $contents{'city'}
$contents{'zip'}
Date of Birth: $contents{'month'}
$contents{'day'} $contents{'year'}
Home Telephone: $contents{'htel'}
close MAIL;
RE: HTML in E-mail
Fred,
Thank Jah this problem was recently successfully solved! Try this:
open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t);
print MAIL Content-Type: text/html\n;
print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL From: fsahakia\
@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL Subject: Forwarded \n\n;
print MAIL This person has requested \n;
etc...
-Original Message-
From: Fred Sahakian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 2:19 PM
To:
Subject: HTML in E-mail
What am doing wrong? Im try to send an e-mail that will appear as formatted
HTML, Im missing something but dont know what. In my example below I have a
hyperlink which I would like to appear as HTML and a font color, but they
appear in the e-mail as raw HTML, what am I leaving out? A Mime?:
open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t);
print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL From: fsahakia\
@courts.state.ny.us\n;
print MAIL Subject: Forwarded \n;
print MAIL This person has requested \n;
print MAIL font color=redtest text/fonta
href=http://www.SOMETHING.COM;LINK/A\n;
print MAIL County: $contents{'county'}
Name: $contents{'first'} $contents{'last'}
Address: $contents{'street'} $contents{'city'}
$contents{'zip'}
Date of Birth: $contents{'month'}
$contents{'day'} $contents{'year'}
Home Telephone: $contents{'htel'}
close MAIL;
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Re: HTML in E-mail
Fred, Camilo, et al -- ...and then Camilo Gonzalez said... % % Fred, % % Thank Jah this problem was recently successfully solved! Try this: % % open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t); % print MAIL Content-Type: text/html\n; % print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n; ... Note that, although he's posted to the CGI list, he's asking about email. In this case you've stuck on a lovely C-T: header (missing an extra newline, though) as though you were spitting out to a web page, but that's not what he's doing. What he *wants* is to output something like To: ... From: ... Subject: ... Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=HTML-email-is-really-bad This is a MIME message. Only a really cool mailreader can see this. --HTML-email-is-really-bad Content-Type: text/html; Here is your boldfreakin'/bold HTML mail. --HTML-email-is-really-bad which properly describes the message body in the headers, leaves a blank line to identify the header end and the body begin, and then lays out the body pieces. No, I don't know how to write it in perl. I think I'd feel dirty if I did; this is bad enough ;-) I'm sure there's a module, though. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05114/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: HTML in E-mail
David, I admire your principles. This is something that has come up before and after some trial and error, what I proposed to him seemed to work. I too feel HTML email is evil but some of us are stuck being prostitutes to keep the wolves from our door. -Original Message- From: David T-G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:11 PM To: perl beginners cgi Cc: Camilo Gonzalez; 'Fred Sahakian' Subject: Re: HTML in E-mail Fred, Camilo, et al -- and then Camilo Gonzalez said... % % Fred, % % Thank Jah this problem was recently successfully solved! Try this: % % open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t); % print MAIL Content-Type: text/html\n; % print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n; Note that, although he's posted to the CGI list, he's asking about email. In this case you've stuck on a lovely C-T: header (missing an extra newline, though) as though you were spitting out to a web page, but that's not what he's doing. What he *wants* is to output something like To: ... From: ... Subject: ... Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=HTML-email-is-really-bad This is a MIME message. Only a really cool mailreader can see this. --HTML-email-is-really-bad Content-Type: text/html; Here is your boldfreakin'/bold HTML mail. --HTML-email-is-really-bad which properly describes the message body in the headers, leaves a blank line to identify the header end and the body begin, and then lays out the body pieces. No, I don't know how to write it in perl. I think I'd feel dirty if I did; this is bad enough ;-) I'm sure there's a module, though. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HTML in E-mail
Camilo -- ...and then Camilo Gonzalez said... % % David, % % I admire your principles. This is something that has come up before and Heh :-) % after some trial and error, what I proposed to him seemed to work. I too Well, that's good. I'm glad he's managed to get something out the door. I wonder how many mail readers will read it without barfing, though... % feel HTML email is evil but some of us are stuck being prostitutes to keep % the wolves from our door. Not unlike myself. I get paid by the hour, work for the highest bidder, and tell 'em what they want to hear... You make the call ;-) HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05116/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: HTML in E-mail
Fred -- ...and then Fred Sahakian said... % % What am doing wrong? Im try to send an e-mail that will appear as formatted HTML, Im missing something but dont know what. In my example below I have a hyperlink which I would like to appear as HTML and a font color, but they appear in the e-mail as raw HTML, what am I leaving out? A Mime?: Yes; you have to specify your text body as an HTML document instead of just plain ascii. You also need to skip a line between your headers and your body, BTW. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! msg05117/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: HTML in E-mail
I don't personally share the 'HTML e-mail is evil' philosophy. And even if you're in the ascii-only camp, HTML mail isn't going anywhere anytime soon. People will ask how to generate and parse it, and there are plenty of Perl tools and modules to do so. I see that it was said only a really cool mail reader can handle MIME messages. I guess that's true if Outlook, Outlook Express, Netscape Mail, Eudora Light, Eudora Pro, recent versions of Lotus, popular 'web-based' mail readers such as Yahoo, Hotmail, Webmail, and most other popular mail readers would be considered really cool. The only mail readers I have seen that don't handle MIME messages very well are older copies of CCmail, Z-mail, and Pine. If you want to create HTML mail or other MIME mail, the most effective way I've found to do it is to use the MIME::Lite module. It can also be used to send HTML mail or various types of attachments. If interested in learning more about it, just go to CPAN and search the module documentation. Scot Robnett inSite Internet Solutions [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Camilo Gonzalez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:49 PM To: 'David T-G'; perl beginners cgi Cc: Camilo Gonzalez; 'Fred Sahakian' Subject: RE: HTML in E-mail David, I admire your principles. This is something that has come up before and after some trial and error, what I proposed to him seemed to work. I too feel HTML email is evil but some of us are stuck being prostitutes to keep the wolves from our door. -Original Message- From: David T-G [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, June 03, 2002 3:11 PM To: perl beginners cgi Cc: Camilo Gonzalez; 'Fred Sahakian' Subject: Re: HTML in E-mail Fred, Camilo, et al -- .and then Camilo Gonzalez said... % % Fred, % % Thank Jah this problem was recently successfully solved! Try this: % % open(MAIL,|$mailprog -t); % print MAIL Content-Type: text/html\n; % print MAIL To: $comm\@courts.state.ny.us\n; . Note that, although he's posted to the CGI list, he's asking about email. In this case you've stuck on a lovely C-T: header (missing an extra newline, though) as though you were spitting out to a web page, but that's not what he's doing. What he *wants* is to output something like To: ... From: ... Subject: ... Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=HTML-email-is-really-bad This is a MIME message. Only a really cool mailreader can see this. --HTML-email-is-really-bad Content-Type: text/html; Here is your boldfreakin'/bold HTML mail. --HTML-email-is-really-bad which properly describes the message body in the headers, leaves a blank line to identify the header end and the body begin, and then lays out the body pieces. No, I don't know how to write it in perl. I think I'd feel dirty if I did; this is bad enough ;-) I'm sure there's a module, though. HTH HAND :-D -- David T-G * It's easier to fight for one's principles (play) [EMAIL PROTECTED] * than to live up to them. -- fortune cookie (work) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.justpickone.org/davidtg/Shpx gur Pbzzhavpngvbaf Qrprapl Npg! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: HTML in E-mail
Does PINE do anything well? ducks Wait! I'm thinking. Is this a trick question? ;) Scot R. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.365 / Virus Database: 202 - Release Date: 5/24/2002 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
