Tribute to Ranger and to Jim
Dear Jim, Words cannot express how sad I feel upon hearing of your loss of Ranger last week. Ranger was the first Berner to whom I was officially introduced and invited to touch! I will never forget meeting him at the 1996 National Specialty in San Mateo. I was captivated by his gentle nature, his keen intelligence, his enthusiasm to perform for you(& us), his incredibly soft coat, and his obvious happiness! Hearing this news, I feel like it's the end of an era. I'll never forget how indebted our family is to you for really introducing us to this Berner world, opening the doors for us to actually bring our very own Berner into our household and lives. We will never forget you and we will never forget your Ranger. Fondly, Susan Wankner and family... and of course Donner _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Re: BERNER At Rockville Md Garage Collapse
I just happened to catch our local news tonight , and they showed the collapse site with the rescue dogs. It was an Aussie , I'm fairly certain :-). The dog didn't have a tail , but I would've made the same assumption if I hadn't been looking for a berner ! And the dog WAS with the search team. Sadly , they didn't find the last person alive. Laurie Montoya S. Central PA. >I just saw CNN footage on the Rockville MD garage collapse. In that >footage, the cameraman/woman caught what looked to be a Berner running >through the building debris as if he/she had been in a car an escaped in >terror. Does anyone know about this? >Nancy Melone > >
Re: Where to go for preliminary X-rays?
What do you mean that his rear is "unstable" -- what does that look like? Is he limping? It might help if we better understood your concerns :) Also, have you spoken with his breeder? Mary-Ann Bowman
Where to go for preliminary X-rays?
Fellow L'ers: I have an 8 month old boy who I would like to get X-rayed since his rear appears a bit unstable. I have an appointment on Tuesday with his regular Vet. Should I keep this appointment or do you think I should make an appointment with an Orthopedist? Should I get a recommendation for an orthopedist from OFA? I don't know how much experience my Vet has with X-raying hips/elbows, etc. and I would be disappointed if the X-rays indicate a problem due to improper positioning on her part. Thank you for your opinion. Sincerely, Julene Stelmak Manhattan Beach, CA
Innova and HD/ED claims
I'm way behind in reading the List but I wanted to come to the defense of diet, and especially Innova. Living in the SF Bay Area, Innova was an easily obtained dog food as it was manufactured there. I fed my first Berner on it and she was GDC excellent with clear elbows. We moved to Montana and it was very costly to have it shipped to us but I continued with it. When her daughter was born and ready for kibble, I fed her Innova. She too was GDC excellent, elbows clear. I only stopped feeding Innova when it became too rich for their digestion...for a time I mixed it with California Natural and had good results, but shipping the food in became too cost prohibitive. My point is that my girl's pedigrees have consistently produced dogs with excellent/good orthopedics. I highly doubt that Innova has anything to do with HD/ED, unless one over feeds/over exercises their Berners. Shelley Gonzales Bigfork, MT
Re: re; Bloemart's
Don't know a thing about that kennel -- never heard of it. But please -- a dog is more than how it looks!! Orthopedics, eye conditions, cancer, genetic disease, temperament and so on -- the art of dog breeding is bringing together the total package, and not just breeding for good looking dogs. Mary-Ann Bowman Utah
Re: Vicky and Major/Boy Problems
> Vicky , you WOULD bring up this subject !!! Sheesh , blushingly yours > , Laurie Montoya Oh, come on. Laurie, BLUSHING?? Sorry, can't picture that one. Janice
re; Bloemart's
I recently saw one of their puppies at the International show last weekend, and was envious at the quality of this puppy. He was VERY nice, well bred, with good structure and outstanding temperment. If this is what "backyard breeders" are producing, then bring them on.it's a damned sight better than what I have seen coming from "reputable" kennels!! Judy Arneson-Johnson Kielerstar BMD (since 1984) Endicott, WA
Re: Vicky and Major/Boy Problems
Um , this is hard to describe without sounding , uh, cough , never mind. I grew up on a horse farm and we bred racehorses , therefore had a stud horse. I handled the stud for breeding and subsequently had to "clean him up" afterward. Well , he got "stuck" one day , and couldn't get it all back where it belonged. Cough. I got my hands on both sides of the sheath and pulled GENTLY outward and back at the same time and everything slid into place by itself. Thank goodness !! I imagine you'd do the same for a dog ??? Vicky , you WOULD bring up this subject !!! Sheesh , blushingly yours , Laurie Montoya >And, exactly what, pray tell, does one do if all's NOT tucked back in place??? > >Jen >Cessi (rolling eyes) and Tucker (stop looking at me that way!) > >>Don't be surprised if your boy has a pained expression on his face or even >>lets out a 'yip' when he retracts, it can be bit uncomfortable. A good brisk >>walk will help things return to normal more readily... then as Rose said, do >>check to be sure that all's tucked back in place. > >
Moses' progress (osteosarcoma, leg removal)
I am hoping that Moses' confidence in his ability to move about on three legs will increase with each day and that he will not rush about so much; of course, maybe this is just his way and makes it easier for him to ambulate. He is sad and anxious from time to time, to be expected. Too, at times he seems to get stuck, not knowing whether to move back or to move ahead. At these times, I guide him with a leash or just verbally encourage him. He likes to relax on the couch and I help him onto it by supporting his hindquarters. I was instructed to remove his pain patch today and did so, but, he does not seem to be experiencing pain related to the surgery. His arthritis medicine helps to sustain his mobility. I have a special harness for him and a sling to assist him, if he requires such. Too, I have a group of new cyberfriends as there is a VERY active yahoogroups devoted solely to canine bone cancer and the experiences of dogs from all over the world in dealing with such, along with their dedicated and compassionate humans. Lisa Allen _ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963
re: cold feet about breeding (long)
Hi Karen, I can fully understand your worries about breeding - but as the old saying goes, if you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen :-) As you know, every whelping carries with it the possibility of disaster for the bitch, and for the whelps. And even a bitch who has a great record for free-whelping, and comes from a line of free-whelpers, can run into trouble. I think, looking back, I could easily have stopped after my first litter - 24 hours in the process, 5 live, 4 stillborn pups Then they got parvo at 5 weeks and I lost one and the others come though OK, but were only 9 lbs at 8 weeks But to answer your informal survey question - I have bred 26 litters. Number 27 is in the oven. This 26 litters is from 8 different bitches, and none of them had a *planned* c-section. Although looking back, my first bitch was a terribly long whelper, who came from a line of long whelpers, and had I known better, I might not have chosen to breed her. I would certainly gone in for the pups rather than let the last of them be stillborn - first litter as above, second and third litters both 3 live pups, followed by a still born many many hours later. And the third litter resulted in the bitch developing an infection, being spayed when pups were 10 days old, and then eventually bleeding out and dying when they were 23 days old. This was in the '70's, and this type of whelping record was not uncommon then. After that :-( I began including the family history of whelping on my list of criteria for any bitch I purchased. I have had a total of 6 sections out of the 26 litters: 3 times a puppy was well and truly stuck, gumming up the works. One time the bitch, well into labor, presented with a lot of green gunk *prior* to the presentation of any puppies - this to me is emergency time - and the surgery resulted in 7 live puppies, one of whom was the one clearly in distress, and surely would not have made it without assistance - he is now a svelte 120# fellow. Rather than wait to see what happens - something too often counseled by a vet - I insisted on getting them out. (Get to know your vet! If s/he understands than *you* do know your dogs, and when you tell her what you want, you mean it, whelping difficulties can be more effectively handled. Ask you vet how s/he feels about all this sort of stuff ahead of time, come to some agreement on what the plan is to be, as in the heat of the moment, stress can affect your reasoning) The other two sections (2 different bitches) were for one puppy that we determined on xray to be way up in there, and not having any immediate plan to come out, that I elected to go in and get out, which to my surprise - 6 hours after the previously naturally delivered last pup - was a squirming, noisy, and very much alive love muffin; and in the other instance, produced two live pups. From their condition, and the work it took to get those two going, we went in with, according to the vet, about 15 or 20 minutes to spare - if we wanted them alive. They are both large, healthy, and very active adults now. I think, Karen, that the one thing I have finally learned over all these years, is what my threshold is before I call in the specialists. I am a fan of the free-breeding, free-whelping bitch, but not at the expense of her health. And I would rather get her in for some help getting out a puppy, then let things go on for so long that she either (a) exhausted and hours after, finally gets out a dead pup or two, or (b) retains the pup until infection develops, making surgery more of a risk because of her condition, and the pup is already going to be dead anyway. >From breeding generations of my own dogs, I know which bitch can go to sleep for a few hours, then wake up and continue whelping live pups. And which one needs to get them out no more than an hour apart and if she stops for two hours, then there will be no more live ones My personal rule of thumb with the less than speedy ones, is to wait 2 hours after the birth of a pup, then, if the bitch is showing no signs at all of active labor, I use the oxytocin. Wait another hour, and use oxytocin again. If no pup arrives within the next hour, I call the vet and go in. If, on the other hand, there is straining and world-class contractions for one hour, and no puppy arriving, we go immediately in to the vet. Getting this kind of information from the breeder of your bitch, about her dam, granddam, and siblings, can help you formulate your strategy - but then you have to wait to see what happens. That's where the gallon of coffee, and the wise counsel of a breeder-friend, not necessarily a Berner breeder, can help you get through the night :-) And if you're sitting next to the whelping box alone, then keep the phone handy - there is a network of breeders out there, all of whom say, and mean it, "call me anytime, call in the middle of the night, an
Re: Bloat Question
To the best of my knowledge, Purdue's study is the only large scale prospective study--ie, not looking at dogs which have already bloated and going backwards from there. The initial idea of the raised dish was based on an educated guess about what might contribute to bloat; it was not based on research. Personally, I'm with Purdue on this. All my college prof pals in the sciences who have looked at the study parameters for me have said it is an excellent study. Eileen Morgan The Mare's Nest http://www.enter.net/~edlehman - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Hi All, > I have been reviewing the Purdue Study (which was given on the Berner-l a long > while back), in which the Raised Dish was considered a risk factor. Have any > of you seen studies on Bloat Risk Factors done by other Veterinary institutions? > If so, please let me know. Sara Steele > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.410 / Virus Database: 231 - Release Date: 10/31/2002
dog show training
Is there anyone in the Georgia-Fl area who shows, that would be willing to give me some instruction/help getting started? My breeder in the Northeast, she is helpful but far away. We are going to conformation classes here in Gainesville (FL) but it would be nice if someone could take us under their wing for a bit. I cannot afford to hire a handler, I got Han because I wanted to learn to show myself, but I really could use a mentor. Beverly Arnold and Han (Mom, where did you hide the remote controls this time?) -
Stud Books
I'd like to give the yearly stud book as Christmas gifts this year. Can someone let me know how I can get them. Renee Tiano
Bloat Question
Hi All, I have been reviewing the Purdue Study (which was given on the Berner-l a long while back), in which the Raised Dish was considered a risk factor. Have any of you seen studies on Bloat Risk Factors done by other Veterinary institutions? If so, please let me know. Sara Steele
Re: BERNER At Rockville Md Garage Collapse
In a message dated 11/16/2002 11:07:49 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << I just saw CNN footage on the Rockville MD garage collapse. In that footage, the cameraman/woman caught what looked to be a Berner running through the building debris as if he/she had been in a car an escaped in terror. Does anyone know about this? Nancy Melone >> I haven't seen any of the tv coverage, but from the story in the Washington Post is appears this was an unfinished parking garage, so no one would have been parking there as yet. They did have rescue dogs working last night trying to locate the one missing construction worker. You can read the Washington Post story at http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A62973-2002Nov16.html Carol Lingley Ijamsville, MD (about 40 mins north of Rockville)
RE: BERNER At Rockville Md Garage Collapse
I just saw CNN footage on the Rockville MD garage collapse. In that footage, the cameraman/woman caught what looked to be a Berner running through the building debris as if he/she had been in a car an escaped in terror. Does anyone know about this? Nancy Melone
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shedding and suppliments.
Hi, Our lab (male)was shedding so much and I noticed is skin was dark. I thought it was his thyroid and had it checked it was within normal range. I'd have it checked out anyway. My vet charged me $13.50 for the test. If ya think Berner hair is bad, have a crack at Lab hair. It's the worst. Try getting it out of fleece, or out of the material on the sofa he just walked by.lol As least Berner hair is like tumble weeds.lol Good luck with your dog. Jennifer
BMDCA question; staying in touch
I have a question. Why don't people, especially breeders, join the BMDCA? It seems to me that if one is involved in a breed, s/he should belong to the national breed club. Although by no means a measure of quality, I think it is certainly one of those minimum standards that PPO's ought to inquire about when looking for a puppy. And for a PPO, it is a wonderful entry into the world of berners. Staying in touch with puppy owners -- the first step is being very explicit about the expectations before placing a puppy. I spell things out to the potential owners -- what the contact looks like, how often I want to hear from them, what they can expect from me, and my rationale for maintaining contact. I let them know that not everyone wants that kind of relationship with a breeder, and while that is perfectly acceptable it is not how I do things. Any good relationship starts with clearly articulated expectations. After the puppies go home, I maintain e-mail contact with the owners. I do not rely on them to write to me, but will initiate contact by asking about the puppy. I send out group e-mails with news and photos so that all owners from a litter have a sense of what is happening with the other puppies from the litter. I also make it a point to plan show trips to locations where I have puppies placed so that I can see them. In addition to all this, I mail a questionnaire each year and from those returned questionnaires, prepare an annual report that I send to each owner and the owners of the male who sired the litter. I am working on my second annual report now. I try hard to be helpful and supportive to my puppy owners, without being intrusive. Finally, I do not have so many puppies that I cannot track them and care about each one -- and I never will because it is very important to me to maintain those connections. In addition, it is very important to me that I am able to maintain accurate information about what we are producing -- and that is not possible unless one collects data from the owners. I am aware of what it takes for me to breed in a way that supports my sense of purpose and integrity, and producing so many puppies that I cannot track them properly would not be congruent with what I want to accomplish or my personal ethics. Those are just some thoughts on how I maintain contact. Mary-Ann Bowman Utah Emma, Abra, Maize and the ten-pack
Re: Rimadyl vs Etogesic
I used Etogesic for a long time on a berner with doggie MS. It was so much better for her than the Rimadyl. I had no side effects and it worked well. I liked the once a day dosing. I liked it and had good success with it. Candy
What constitutes "rich"?
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RE: hello and giant stuffed berners
Rumor has it one will be offered at Joye Neff's Raffle. Nancy Melone -Original Message- From: brandy marazzi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 5:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: hello and giant stuffed berners Hello all, I'm somewhat new to the list and mostly just a quiet participator. I am the proud mom of a almost three year old berner boy. He is the greatest and fills all my days with smiles. He's also a pro at the between the legs move to get his hind end scratched, I love explaining that one to company, especially the shorter people who nearly fall over when he trys his butt scratching moves!! I'm a little behind in this request but I hope not too late. Does anyone have access to a large stuffed berner that were at Costco's. The one here in Cleveland, OH is not carrying them. They have recently opened, so I'm not sure if that's why they don't have them. They do have giant Old English Sheepdogs but no berners. If anyone can help I would appreciate it!! Thanks, Brandy and Bucca, berner lap dog extraordinaire _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail
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Philly Dog Show
All of you in the Greater Philadelphia region, do yourselves a big favor and stop in the Fort Washington Convention Center sometime this weekend! The Philly dog show takes place today and tomorrow, 38 Berners entered today, 31 tomorrow. They show at 9:15 this morning, and 11:30 tomorrow. But it's a benched show - which means all of the exhibitors will be there all day both days! ... and some great shopping!! Pat Long (& Luther) I'll be there! Berwyn PA
Looking for a Flint River distributor on the list.
Hi, I thought I saw a few times an email for Flint River under someone's signature. If anyone is on the list please contact me. Thanks and have a berneiful day! lol Jennifer Chaplin now 5 month
New Mom needs help.
Hello Maria, I emailed you privately as well. If you are taking him to Ringwood Vet, they have a great Rep. See if they have office hours on Sat. If not you can call Greenwood Lake Animal Hospital. They are in on Sat. What did your breeder suggest you feed him? Have you changed his food since he came home? Maybe it's too rich for him. I have just learned recently (having a 9 and 10 yr old sons) that I need to re-baby proof the house. As Chaplin (our pup) got bigger he was stealing off the counters, and other naughty puppy stuff. It was my fault. It's been a long time since I had a puppy or a baby/toddler in my life. Chaplin never hurt himself, but could have since he needs supervision. Don't worry about the puppy classes. He's so young. Get him feeling better then worry about that later. Hope he feels better, Jennifer
