RE: BERNER-L digest 4225
To Whom It May Concern, Could you please remove me from you mailing list. Many Thanks, Cahir Corrigan. -Original Message- From: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 January 2003 06:01 To: Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List Subject: BERNER-L digest 4225 BERNER-L Digest 4225 Topics covered in this issue include: 1) RE: guard dog? by "Dr. William B. Neff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 2) BARC LOC Challenge Fundraiser Amounts. by "Dr. William B. Neff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 3) Japanese lass' sexy pictures by mcrifasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 4) Virus or a Bad Bud-Man by "Mary-Ann Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 5) Re: Virus or Bad Bud Man by "Kelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 6) virus sent by pilfered address by "Maria Crifasi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 7) Re: Guard Dog? by wendy beard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 8) Jessyka update by "Susan Wilkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 9) Re: guard dog? by "Laurie Montoya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 10) Killer COP.. Cookeville, TN by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11) Re: Christmas Tree Topper by "Laurie Montoya" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 12) Re: guard dog? by <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 13) Poop eating: More a girl thing? by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 14) Re: Killer COP.. Cookeville, TN by "nbmws6" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 15) RE: guard dog? by "Andrea Brin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 16) Very Cold here UK!! by "jean cheesman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 17) Re: guard dog? by "Ilene" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 18) RE: Virus or Bad Bud Man by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 19) Re: Virus or Bad Bud Man by "Mary-Ann Bowman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 20) Re: Czara by "Dave or Stephanie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 21) RE: Tennessee police by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 22) Berner Christmas Tree Toppers by "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 23) Re: guard dog? by "Claudia Brydon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 24) Re: guard dog? by "Susan Berlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 25) Intussusseption and Ultrasound by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 26) Re: virus sent by pilfered address by "Janice Parky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 27) RE: Tennessee Police by "Mary Shaver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 28) Little thought by [EMAIL PROTECTED] 29) This Site by ros_ross <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: guard dog?
In a message dated 1/12/2003 11:45:37 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Does anyone have a Berner that ever acts as a guard dog? you know, not > viscious, of course, but warning barks? Is this something that might happen > as she matures and becomes more aware of her territory? Hi Mary, We all picture the Bernese hauling milk to the cheesery, but the historical fact is that the BMD's primary job on the Swiss farms of old was as watchdog. It was the BMD's responsibility to keep an eye out for intruders and warn them off. This role was so central to the early development of the breed that some farmers intentionally bred dogs with cleft noses because they looked more menacing and would therefore be more effective in their job. So...yes, you may find that Nola becomes more of a watch dog as she matures. I've seen a wide variety of degrees, but all of my Bernese have been watch dogs to one extent or anotheralerting when a person, vehicle, or dog enters their 'territory'. Some dogs have a larger area they feel responsible for...some a small area. Some are vocal at the drop of a hat...some only with serious encroachment. No doubt environment and training have much to do with the response as well. If your doorbell is ringing constantly with people coming and going all day long, Nola will likely not find it as much of a stimulus as if your doorbell rings once a month when a delivery man comes. How you respond to her alerts also affects her behavior. My dogs respond best when I thank them (literally!) for letting me know someone's approaching (ie: for doing their job) and I let them know that it's ok. One of my girls will bark her fool head off (just like her dam). Nothing worked to shut her up ...until I took the approach of recognizing that she was doing the job her genes were telling her to do and letting her know that now that I was 'informed', her job was done and she could relax. ~ Sherri Venditti
Re: guard dog?
Anne's reply reminded me that 'guarding' takes many forms. I wrote about barking to alert...my girl's forte. But my male fulfills his role very differently. My barky girl used to sleep in the front foyer at night. As my male matured, he took up the spot in the foyer, sprawled across the front door. Over the course of a month or so the bitch repositioned herself. First, she moved to the livingroom...off the foyer. Then up the second floor landing where she could look directly down the stairs to the front door. Then she moved down the hallway and slept in front of the bedroom doorway. Finally she moved to sleeping in our room. This was very clearly a process of her turning over the responsibility for guarding the front door to the male... but only as he matured and proved his worthiness to her satisfaction. 4 years later, he still sleeps sprawled across the front door every night, she sleeps in our bedroom. -Sherri Venditti
Happy 7th Birthday to Kimberlite's Dirty Dozen!
I cannot believe it has been 7 years since the birth of the Dirty Dozen! (C Litter) 12 wiggly puppies - 9 boys and 3 girls arrived on Jan. 13, 1996. My sweetie Cori's first litter and she free-whelped them all. It is with much happiness and tap-dancing that I say Happy Birthday to all those puppies. Two have passed away due to accidents (not disease), but 10 are still alive, kicking and strong today - 7 years later. I think that is a wonderful thing for 10 puppies from one litter to all still be around as VETERANS! Plus mommy (at 9 years) is alive and carrying around her stuffed "elle-phants" (thanks Bev Burney for my wonderful girlie - Ch. Bev's Kimberlite Cornerstone). Dad passed away this fall at 9.5 years of age - (Ch. Blakoke's High Alps Teyl), much loved and missed by Lynne Mulder. Please join me in wishing happy 7th to (in no particular order) 1. Ruby - loved by Gisela & Paulus Haas 2. Kess - loved by the Schauman's 3. Cocoa - loved by the Huashka's 4. Elwood - loved by the Mildard's 5. Carter - loved by Angie Gillies 6. Coal - loved by the Hunter's 7. Blue - loved by the Rosenfeld's 8. Columbus - loved by the Cousin's 9. Brady - loved by Kristen Martin 10. Jake - loved by me and Peter Gone but forever in their hearts Huey - loved and missed by Sheryl and Barry Feller Oli - loved and missed by the Duchavych's. -- Hunka Hunka Berner Love - Kimberlite Reg'd. Debbie Tripp - Saskatchewan Canada - Berners since 1986 http://www.kimberlitebernese.com
Intersussception
Hi Corie et al, When I place a puppy I give a warning about the breed's passion for eating underwear, diapers, tea towels etc. A number of Berners have been patients at my local hospital with blockages in the intestine and some have been fortunate enough to pass the obstruction and others have required surgery. Now the vets there are very familiar with Berner owners coming in with a Berner that vomits and can't keep anything down! If I catch my dog chowing down on material I induce vomitting but if I've missed the incident and later presenting symptoms lead me to suspect what my vets now call "gastric insult" we take them in for IV fluids. This helps to keep the gut moist and barium xrays will show if the item is moving through. If so as soon as its in the large bowel it will likely be passed in the not too distant future. If the article is not moving and/or intersussception is suspected then surgery is performed. In my experience once a sock eater always a sock eater, just the other night while on the phone Phoebe started to look contemplative and promptly threw up the entire covering of a soft toy that had gone missing three days beforehand! During this time she had been eating and defaecating normally but this was too bulky to enter the small intestine and was brought up for another look! Mental note to oneself- insure this girl! How to make the vet take notice of your observations? Never ever be fobbed off, if you want more attention for your dog then firmly request it, its your pocketbook:-) My vets respect my judgement but it can take awhile if you are new to a practice, I recall taking one bitch into an emergency clinic, she trotted in quite happily and she had a torsioned stomach, she even attempted to scrounge a cookie! It was obvious she was bloated but the vet was surprised that she actually had torsioned as clearly shown on the xray. Rose Tierney
Soft Treats
Laura, I have used this dog cookie recipe exclusively for 10 years. I have yet to meet a dog that refuses these tasty cookies. After the treats are baked they remain soft and chewy, do NOT crumble in your pocket, are NOT slimly and don't smell (to me anyway) like liver - more like garlic. I bake several dozen, place small quantities in zip lock bags and freeze them. They can be thawed out in the fridge or in your pocket. 1 pound raw beef liver 1 cup corn meal 1 cup flour 1 clove garlic Preheat oven to 375 and grease two baking sheets. In a food processor puree the liver and garlic. If you don't have a food processor, have your butcher grind the liver for you. Place the processed liver/garlic mixture in a bowl and mix in remaining ingredients. Dough will be slightly stiff and sticky. Spread the dough onto greased baking sheets 1/4 inch thin. Don't spread too thick or they won't cook through. Open a few windows if you can't stand the smell of cooking liver. Bake for 20-30 minutes or until firm, don't over bake. The dough tends to rise so when it does this just prick the surface several times with a fork. Also, fully baked cookies will NOT be golden brown. Remove from oven and immediately cut into 1"x1" squares then remove from pan to a cooling rack. After the cookies have cooled, pack and freeze or refrigerate. Enjoy! -Denise Vickers Michigan USA
RE: Clicking noise
Hi, I would definately recommend doing a PennHip evaluation on her if you plan on breeding her. Standard xrays may be good but if there is a higher than normally accepted level of laxity present this might be the reason for the clicking. Rose Tierney
Chewing feet
Hi, Clean the paws with warm water and a little Hibitaine soap added, rinse and dry thoroughly. Trim the fur from the bottom of the pads but never between the toes as the hair growing back can be spikey and irritate sensitive feet. This type of irritation may be caused by the salt mixture used on winter roads and pathways and it is important to wash and dry the feet after walking such surfaces or use the types of boots mushers use on sled dogs. The redness may worsen and a yeast infection can result making things worse. You can use the same medication for ear infections but check with your vet first and don't contaminate the bottle tip. Persistent feet chewing is often a sign of allergies and the most common being related to food. It may be necessary to change your feeding methods but this should be done under a vet's guidance who will likely recommend a specific product or protocol. Rose Tierney
Suckling Pup
Hi everybody, We have been off the list since early December and are still catching up with the mail. It's so terribly sad to find that some of our extended Berner family have passed away during our absence. It is heartening to read of new people and new puppies on the list. So, I have a question to throw out to the list in general: how many people on the list have dogs that still suckle in their sleep long after they've been weaned? Holly has now passed the 7 month mark and she still makes that sucking sound (there isn't a good onomatopoeic word for it) in her sleep. She is developing into a typical teenager, which is to say evil incarnate, but when she is sleeping she turns back into a sweet little pup. I don't recall any of our other dogs doing this. I think in her case it is some sort of survival mechanism, look cute while you are asleep so they won't strangle you when you are awake. We just spent the past six weeks in Germany and France and we did a lot of dining out. One of the things I like best about Europe is that you are able to take the pups with you just about everywhere. Gandalf, who is now 2 and 1/2, has become quite the gentleman. He will lie quietly under the table in the restaurant and be content to just lay his head on somebodies foot. Holly, on the other hand, will slowly inch her way around until, before you know it, she is lying under somebody else's table! "Hi! I'm Holly! I'm cute, give me a treat!" All of our Berner's have been full of mischief, but none of them have kept us on our toes like Holly. Did I mention how much laughter she has given us? Poor Uncle Gandalf has the patience of Job, and he loves her dearly, but at least five times a day he just has to resort to sitting on her head in order to calm her down. Everyone thinks this is hysterical except her. When she finally manages to get out from underneath him she dances around him like a mountain goat barking her head off, it really bugs her when he just turns his head away and ingores her. Don't you feel sorry for people who have never known what is like to have these creatures in their lives? Christl has decided that Chateau is far to grandiose a word for our humble abode in France so I am officially changing our sign-off. Hope you had a wonderful holiday season. Tim & Christl, with Gandalf & Holly Domain Bernois Nimes, France get 2 months FREE*
Re: tennessee
According to the interview on Good Morning America - the family was asking and practically begging over and over if they could shut the door to the car. They were worried that the dog would jump out in front of a car.
Calling Berner Pros
Can anyone instruct me as to what I can do with results I get from my vet on my Berner. I have read so much about the research that is done and would be happy to participate in anything that will help with the education of the breed. I have just recently gotten his Penn Hip results in and his Cerf is coming with his next visit. I would also be doing a DNA profile when his next round of vaccines are due. Any thoughts? Also - Penn Hip - Not good at all. .81 but the good news is there is absolutely no sign of Degenerative Joint Disease. The vet could not believe this as with a .81 it was almost expected. He is on (has been since he came home) all the supplements discussed here before but what else can I do for him? We are due to begin with a consult at Angell Memorial (Dr. Knapp or Dr. Trout)here in Boston. I really do not want to think about surgery (TPLO) as he has absolutely no pain. Thoughts? Kristin O'Neill South Boston, MA Yukon
RE: Tennessee Police and Ignorance
Hi, I feel very sad for the family whose dog was shot in front of them. While the police officer made what appears to be a poor decision we should take a moment to think about all the circumstances. Given that police officers see a side of life that many of us can't even dream about let's think about the heightened level of adrenalin that must be running through the veins when stopping a suspected criminal, and not knowing whether or not it could be a gun-toting crazy. It does take time for those kind of "rushes" to subside and in the time the driver was being apprehended the dog appears on the scene. There is little time to assess whether or not its a friendly tail waving dog or a tail waving biting dog, I'm sure time stood still for the family. Perhaps for the police officer time was moving too fast and maybe he's seen the speed at which a dog can turn from friend to savage. The lesson to be learned here is to have a dog suitably restrained while travelling in a vehicle. Even the nicest dog can become a fierce dog in a car accident and witnessing your master being accosted (in their eyes) could cause most dogs to become defensive. Rose Tierney
Re: Calling Berner Pros
Whenever you have information to share about health or temperament, or just about anything about your dog, you can send it in for data entry to the Berner-Garde database. See www.bernergarde.org for additional information. Currently we are trying to get an interim File Manager (me) up to speed, so there is going to be some continued delays in getting data entered. For those of you who have already been patient a long time - thank you - I have not forgotten you! Jack Lytle is also a site operator, so I won't be the only one once I'm up and running. Pat Long (& Luther) Berwyn PA Check any e-mail over the Web for free at MailBreeze (http://www.mailbreeze.com)
Re: Calling Berner Pros
Kristin, If you're not going to breed the dog and if you do not suspect his parentage has been falsely represented, I see no considerable value in procuring a DNA profile on him. > Also - Penn Hip - Not good at all. .81 but the good news is there is absolutely no sign of Degenerative Joint Disease. The vet could not believe this as with a .81 it was almost expected. He is on (has been since he came home) all the supplements discussed here before but what else can I do for him? We are due to begin with a consult at Angell Memorial (Dr. Knapp or Dr. Trout)here in Boston. I really do not want to think about surgery (TPLO) as he has absolutely no pain. Thoughts? How old is your Bernese? If I were not to consider surgery on hips, I would not schedule a consult for it beyond diagnosis, preferring instead to extend those resources to maintaining the dog's comfort throughout his life. > Can anyone instruct me as to what I can do with results I get from my vet on my Berner. I have read so much about the research that is done and would be happy to participate in anything that will help with the education of the breed. I have just recently gotten his Penn Hip results in and his Cerf is coming with his next visit. I would also be doing a DNA profile when his next round of vaccines are due. Any thoughts? The PennHip results on your dog go into PennHips statistics for our breed. His breeder might appreciate the information as well. The info may be submitted to Bernergarde (www.bernergarde.org) for others to use in familial assessment. CERF automatically will place your dog's eye exam into into their database for Berners because the canine opthalmologist will send them a report. But the info attributed to your dog specifically will not be public unless you pay CERF some more money to enroll him in the database. CERF only reports publicly, unaffected dogs, so their public database is considered a closed database, and in my opinion, not of great value. I don't pay the extra money, and instead just issue a copy of the report to those inquirers who need it. Opthalmological exam results can also be submitted to Berner-garde for others to use in familial assessment. Ruth Reynolds Pioneer Bernese Greenwood, FL breeder of Bernese since 1988
RE: Intussusseption and Ultrasound
Hi Kim, I'm very sorry to hear of your losing Tonka and please accept my sincerest condolences. Were the xrays taken using barium? Rose
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Re: Tennessee Police
First we told them to make a war on crime, then we told them to make a war on drugs, then we told them to make a war on terrorism. They're not public servants anymore they're soldiers and we're the enemy. Welcome to the war zone. Hugh Orangeburg, New York - Original Message - From: "Amy Hutson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Pat Long & Paul Dangel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Berner L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Tennessee Police > I can comment on this story as I live in TN. The details make it all the > more horrible. It was two carloads of family members. Parents and one > child(and dogs) in one car and grandparents and two other kids in the car > behind. It was not just one police car but THREE. Only the driver in the > first car was out being handcuffed so presumably (?) the other occupants > could have shut the door? Maybe they were intimidated by the whole > situation. The police officer who shot the dog had many other officers > around to help him if the dog had actually bit him (no need to shoot before > an actual attack). It was also not just a shot. The officer shot the dog's > head off! In front of all the family members. > The whole community is shocked by this. It seems the family is suing. I also > wonder at the individual who called in the "robbery". They claimed there > was lots of money flying out the window and the car was going 110 mph. I > really don't think that was the case. Who would start this manhunt for a few > bills flying around on the freeway?! I certainly hope they are ashamed. > Unfortunately, I'm sure the officer will get off with a hand slap. What is > it they say? People who are cruel to animals are more likely to be > criminals?.. > > Amy Hutson > Knoxville,TN >
Re: Calling Berner Pros (amateur response part 1)
In a message dated 1/13/2003 9:51:50 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > Can anyone instruct me as to what I can do with results I get from my vet on > my Berner. I have read so much about the research that is done and would be > happy to participate in anything that will help with the education of the > breed. Hi Kristin, Thanks so much to taking this contributory approach towards Bernese ownership. For many years we relied on the breeders to find all the answers and solve all the problems that challenge our dogs. Little did we realize that it's we pet owners who hold the key to a wealth of valuable information. All we have to do is evaluate our dogs and make the results available via BernerGarde and the Open Registry option for OFA. Now that we're starting to do that, we're faced with a new challenge...dealing with the information! In many respects, ignorance is bliss...it was a heck of a lot easier NOT knowing what was on the inside. So maybe you can help us work our way through this so your experience serves as a kind of model. Likewise, breeders who require that evaluations be done by their puppy owners are having to deal with that panicked phone call when the results aren't as expected. Perhaps some who've fielded those calls can help us with the guidance they provided their owners. Here's my thoughts on your query. First, don't panic! There's not likely to be anything showing up out of the blue in a screening exam like PennHIP or CERF that's going to be catastrophic for your dog. It may feel that way to you at the time, but clearly it's not horrendous for your dog or you would see the impact in front of you. The fact that you now know your pup has more hip laxity than one would like provides you with the opportunity to take action to reduce the long term effects of that. First step is learning about joint laxity, what it means, and the implication. the PennHIP website and a Golden Retriever website have excellent information. Hip laxity is a major contributor to degenerative joint disease (DJD). In a lax hip, the ball sort of flops around in the socket eventually inflaming tissues and resulting in DJD. It's DJD that actually causes the dog pain. It's also a viscious cycle wherein degradation of the joint leads to inflammation which releases corrosive enzymes prompting further degeneration of the joint and so it goes. So, your goal is to minimize sloppy movement in the joint, keep inflammation to a minimum, protect and promote the rebuilding of the joint surfaces, and tighten the joint if possible. Towards that end, keep your dog well exercised...preferably with free running on less than hard surfaces and ideally with non-weight bearing exercise like water work. Do some web research (always with a critical eye) on Adequan injections. If I remember correctly, a few years ago there was some research being done that showed significant tightening of the ligaments in a controlled study. You should be able to find that research, and hopefully some follow-up as well on the long term results. Do some web research on chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine. These are two supplements commonly used for joint support with a fair amount of academic research behind them. Normal cartilage is in a constant state if homeostatis wherein the matrix is maintained by successive phases of resporption and formation (much like bone). In osteoarthritis (DJD), cartilage metabolism is dysregulated and progressively, the resorption of cartilage exceeds the capacity of the cartilage to repair itself. The net result is bone rubbing on bone creating more inflammation, pain, and remodelling of the joint. Chrondroitin sulfate (CS) is a major component of the matrix of many connective tissues, including cartilage. Research indicates that CS increases the production of proteoglycans (the repair cells) in cartilage. There's also research (on rabbits) indicating that given prior to insult, CS prevents the reduction of cartilage proteoglycans suggesting that CS might protect cartilage against enzymatic degradation. Additionally, the structure modifying properties of CS were studied in a double-blind, placebo controlled, trial involving 119 patients with osteoarthritis of the hands. After 3 years, the group taking 400mg CS three times daily had significantly fewer patients with new erosive OA finger joints (8.8%) compared to the placebo group (29.4%) (ref: Verbruggen, Goemaere, Veys. Osteoarthritis Cartilage 1998;6:(Suppl) So...chondroitin sulfate appears to both promote the formation of new cartilage cells and reduce the destruction of existing cells...which may make it an effective aid in the prevention of joint degeneration. Glucosamine Sulfate (GS) acts as a preferred substrate for the biosynthesis of glycosaminoglycan chains and subsequently, the production of proteoglycans. Numerous trials have shown it to be
Re: Calling Berner Pros (amateur response part 2)
> We are due to begin with a consult at Angell Memorial (Dr. Knapp or Dr. > Trout) here in Boston. I really do not want to think about surgery (TPLO) as > he has absolutely no pain. Thoughts? I haven't heard of a specialist recommending major surgery such as a TPO for an asymptomatic dog. Most feel that you treat the dog, not the xray. I'll be interested to hear what the folks at Angell suggest. BTW~ Just to confuse you, I think you're referring to a TPO (triple pelvic osteotomy). In this surgery, the pelvis is cut into three segments which are then reassembled so as to create a better seat for the femoral head (top of the thigh bone). It's usually used when there is severe hip dysplasia, ie: malformation of the joint itself. The TPLO (tibial plateau leveling osteotomy) you've been reading about on the NV list is a proceedure for addressing cruciate ligament problems. ~ Sherri Venditti
another virus warning
Hi All, Just a couple of days ago, another berner email addy has been *used* or gleaned from her/his system to send out the Klez virus. This time it was sent via the email: mtndog with a subject line that reads: Otherwise indicated) or goverment taxes Pat, This came without an attachment (?), so: can I open the email itself to open the header - and not risk infection? My virus protection program took care of the virus, but if I could open the header, we could, hopefully, find out where it came from and let the person with the infected system know. Your posts are not in vain...we non savvy computer types do pick up on what to watch for and what we can do, and appreciate the help! Jill with Indie and Gabby
RE: Tennessee Police
I heard on the news last night that this is the THIRD incident recently in which this particular officer has shot a dog... a little suspicious to me. Clearly he has some issues with dogs. Such a shame. And Mary is right -- there is a different attitude here in the South.. which is a shame! Makes me embarrassed to say I live in Tennessee, sometimes. I go everywhere with my dogs in the back of the SUV, and now this video has made me wary. Maybe this tragic event will cause police depts to look into some kind of awareness training and develop some policies or standardized responses (like the canine version of the Miranda rights -- or something) that will cause officers to pause and think before shooting. If this guy had any knowledge of dogs at all, he would have known that the tail wagging was a sign of non-aggression. Looks like just shooting them is first in his mind. If I were an attorney I would take this case on with a vengeance. Jennifer Burgess (Rex -BMD, Mabel - Lab) in Memphis, TN -Original Message- From: Mary Shaver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2003 10:10 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Tennessee Police It appears this whole situation was the culmination of a series of misunderstandings that ended in tragedy. I am not going to either defend or accuse the officer, but let me just say, things are different here in the south. Many, many of our more rural counties have no "animal control" agency - their animal control is limited to calling the sheriff out when there is an animal problem, like an unwanted stray in the yard, and the "normal" response to such a complaint is for the sheriff to shoot the offending animal. If it turns out that the animal was someone's pet, oh, well... My point is, law enforcement officers here in the south have probably all been involved in this type of thing, so this particular officer may have not even given it a second thought. Is it right? No. Is it progressive? No. But given the mind-set here, I can certainly see how easily it could have happened. Mary and the girls, Laurel and Bailey Fayetteville, GA
Max and Zoe adopted.
Hello everyone, This is an update on Max and Zoe, the 2 berners who were rescued by the SPCA of Northern VA. I have been watching their website about these two. The good news is that they have both been adopted now. I think it may be together as the update was posted together but no information on that is given. I just thought you all might want to hear the update even thought the information I do have is limited. Hugs to all Pippa Antonio, Col, Toby and Ulysses in Washington DC __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Cosequin absorption
Someone asked about the absorption of Cosequin so thought I'd pass on this article I just came across on their website. I don't know anything about the study or the publication so no idea how credible with is... http://www.cosequin.com/Press/49.asp -Sherri Venditti
Cami Kriner is BACK!! :-))
I am so excited!! Cami Kriner has informed me that she is doing portraits, once again, and has her website up and running. PLEASE!!!...go check it out! :-D!!! http://www.camispetportraits.com/Cami did the artwork for our 2001 Specialty here in Western Washington, and, she also does the artwork on the cards I send out along with the Berner Angel Pins, when someone looses their beloved berner. She has done portraits of Angel and Amika and I LOVE THEM!!! She is an EXCELLENT artist, you have to go see her work at her website!! :-))) Thankyou Cami, for doing such an INCREDIBLE job with my girls!! Your work is #1!! :- Karen, Angel and Amika
pages added to our website!! :-))
ANOTHER piece of GOOD NEWS!! :-))) Karen Pickle has so kindly added two more pages to the 'gurl's' website!! :-))) I wish I could take credit for this site, but, it's Karen's doing!! I just take the photographs and Karen does the rest! Lucky, ain't I!! Ha!! ;-)) I can't even say the joy I get from this site, I get to watch my girls grow up right before my eyes, any time I like! :-)) THANKYOU KAREN!!! You're a PRIZE!! :-D! OKthe two new pages are under 'Forever Friends' but, here are the urls too: http://www.overthefence.com/connors/photos1.html http://www.overthefence.com/connors/photos2.html The girls are all grown up now, Angel is almost 4!!!.Amika just turned 2!! UGH. I'm thinkin it's puppy time...eh?!!LOL!!! Tim says, 'NOT!!'..we'll see.;-) Off topic but important too;-).if you would like to see my WONDERFUL new Wedding website, that Peg McQueary has created, here's that toonothin like a bit of free advertizen! :) A friend if mine is going to put on her wedding dress and pose with Angel and Amika, in the Spring!! So..check back! :-)) http://www.geocities.com/weddingphotographybykaren/ Take care! Hugs and lots of love from the three of us, Karen, Angel and Amika :-)
New Puppy Ad, San Jose,CA
Just an FYI. Since this weekend there has been an ad running in the San Jose Mercury News for BMD puppies from a person that we have come across in the past. Starting Tuesday's issue, Sierra West is placing a competitve ad for getting further info from us. So this issue IS being addressed and responded to locally. Jim LaFrom Sierra West BMDC now get out there and work dem workn' dogs
Re: guard dog?
>Now...the fact that they captured the lesson on film and titled the >picture, "Three Bitches in Bed" just goes to prove that we were successful >in teaching Daisy the skill. 'Tis true, you have to teach this skill! Have taught mine to warm up the bed for me in cold weather, command word is "Bed Warm!" - see, coincidentally, yesterday's Longlease Updates- Other times is "Come Up for Cuddles", "Off the Bed!" (Well, times you need a bit of space!) As for guard dogs! I like my dogs near to me, guarding my space! Only time Vin and I ever got burgled was many years ago in London and was the only time ever Merlin, our then GSD/Retriever X was shut out of the bedroom! (Was barking a lot and restless!) Burglars fed him doped meat through the letterbox! Woke up next morning to dozey dog and the ground floor stripped bare of valuables! Not quite the same now, Vin died, so just me and the Gang now and we live in the country with mail box 1/2 mile down the drive. But since then, doors always open within the house, dogs free to roam. They usually start of a night on my bed for cuddles and then when I go to sleep have their cushions in the bedroom and around the house where they can choose to go and sleep! Have noticed usually one remains on guard! On the half landing above the front door so guarding the whole house and they take it in turns! Nights I am late night on the computer and guess is my guard shift, - OK -, will upload the pics of where the dogs are now!!! Check Updates again! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
jumping up on people
In a message dated 1/11/2003 12:30:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > My dog is very sweet and he loves to play, but the > problem is that he jump on people Hi Mariana, Yes, big dogs jumping on people can be a problem, he could easily knock them down in his enthusiasm. First of all, think about why he jumps up. He wants to greet the new person. He is trying to be friendly and polite and say "hi" in the person's face, which is up in the airhe thinks he has to jump to get to the face. Remember this is is friendly greeting when teaching him to stay "4 on the floor" and let people come down to say hi to him. That is the reason I do NOT like to use aversive (negative, bad) methods to punish the dog for jumping. He isnt trying to do anything but greet someone in what he thinks is the proper way. I do not beleive in using the suggestions you may hear that are based on hurting him.examples: stepping on the dog's hind feet or kneeing/kicking him in the chest or grabbing and squeezing his front paws. My goal is to cause him to be correct or "do the right thing" .then I can *reward* the correct behavior. My approach is not to try and cause him to be wrong and then *punish* the incorrect behavior. Leave a 6 foot leash attached to his collar, dragging on the floor. Have a friend come over to say hi. You simply stand on the end of the leash as she comes in. If he tries to jump on your friend, she should simply step away, out of his range (he is stuck and cannot follow her b/c you are standing on the leash) and turn her back on him. Say nothing, both of you. Then 5-10 seconds later, she should turn back and approach him, telling him to "sit" (of course first you must teach him so he knows what the command "sit" means)if he does sit, she should pet him and tell him calmly and quietly what a wonderful, good dog he is. She can even have a little treat for him to lure him into the sit and give to him if he does sit. If he does not sit and instead he jumps up again, she should simply turn away from him and step out of range and ignore him.so he can no longer get to her, just like before. This may need to be repeated many times, since he is already in a bad habit. Be patient! Eventually he should figure out that he gets what he wants (petted and treats) if he does what you want (sit or stand w/ all 4 paws on the floor.) Of course you will need to do this w/ many different people and no one should let the dog jump or he will be confused. Be sure to give him lots of exercise so he is not all wound up w/ energy and if he isnt neutered yet, do it as soon as possible. Hormones can make for maniacs! :-) Best of luck and keep us posted. Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CGC and Ted
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RE: Specialty Hotel Reminder- READ this if you've got reservations!
Posted in plain text for Lynne: Once again I want to remind everyone that the WestCoast Hotel (host) for the 2003 BMDCA Specialty will be crediting room deposits next Monday, January 20, 2003. PLEASE review your plans and reservations now - we have a very strict cancellation policy and it will be enforced by the hotel! If you need to cancel or modify your existing reservation you must call the hotel directly - 562-435-7676. You can NOT "give" your reservation to someone else! The hotel staff can NOT transfer rooms from one person to another nor can they book any new reservations. They can only cancel or modify existing reservations. We have a wait list that we are maintaining and we would like to accommodate as many people on this list as possible. If you would like to be on the wait list please contact Karolyn Reed - [EMAIL PROTECTED] PLEASE spread the word to anyone you know who as a reservation at the host hotel. Cancellation Policy A 30% deposit of total stay is due January 21, 2003. Cancellations prior to January 21, 2003 will receive a full refund. Cancellations from January 22 to February 20, 2003, forfeit 33.3% (1/3) of deposit. Cancellations from February 21 to March 22, 2003, forfeit 66.6% (2/3) of deposit. Cancellations from March 23 to April 21, 2003, shall result in forfeiture of entire deposit. Cancellations of more than 25% of original booking will result in a cancellation fee. Lynne Hawkinson Show Chair - 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.bmdcaspecialty.org/2003/
Kennel Help
Hi Everyone. I was wondering if anyone had any experience with Kennels in the Princeton (central Jersey) area. I am going away for a long weekend at the end of January and the only boarding place I know (smokey's trainers run a dog sitting service for their clients) can't take him then. I didn't just want to pick a place out of the phone book and so if anyone has any suggestions can you please let me know. It will be from january 24-27 if that is relavent. Thank you, Radha and Smokey (what--you are going without me?!!) __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Mary Beth at the Bridge
Posted in plain text for Nancy: MARY BETH PETRONE Vistaplatz etoile 'D Hiver Oct. 19, 1989 - Jan. 12, 2003 Penny and Frank Petrone lost their beloved Mary Beth Sunday. Mary Beth never won a beauty contest, she never won an obedience title, she never won a draft title or an agility title and she certainly never won a point in the show ring (she did very well wearing her bandana in parades and you should have seen her in her Halloween "bee" costume). Mary Beth simply won the hearts of all who knew her. She was a pure pet who loved greatly and was greatly loved. Sometimes champions don't have 15 points and blue ribbons ! ! ! Love - Nancy
Bake soft treats & Berner walk get together
Note: forwarded message attached. __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --- Begin Message --- Hello, Hope this goes across o.k. This is my 1st time writing on the Berner-L,after almost a year of reading and enjoying your e-mails. After being at the American specialty in West Virginia last year for my 1st time with my friend Wendy, I met a lot of very nice people from this list, and yes I was shopping until I dropped and having a blast doing it. I have a very good recipe for Liver treats that I guaranty all the dogs will love: 1 cup of corn meal 1 cup of flour 1 pound of liver 1 or 2 cloves of garlic optional 1 egg and 1/4 cup of parmesan cheese Put in food processor, blend well On a cookie sheet, spray some vegetable oil, spread one quarter inch thick like a pizza dough, bake 400 for 12-15 minutes or until firm to touch. Keep in freezer, once in the fridge only keep for about 4-5 days. Good luck the dogs love it Burner walk get together in Ottawa, Ontario, Canada We started 2 years ago at Bruce Pit, every Sunday at Noon, all winter long (Nov...April) The dogs walk off leash in this National Capital park Yes I'm the cookie lady along with my 2 1/2 year old Bernese mountain dog called Sierra and my 1 1/2 year old Golden retreiver Yukon. They have every week a 2 hour walk with all their other furry friends, 10-19 Berners each week. It's a blast to see them run in the wooded area one after this other. I do spoil them and love them with all my heart If you are close by, please try to join us for a walk. It's the best way to socialize with your 4-legged friends and 2-legged ones also. It makes the winter go by faster. Thank you again for all the importance of this Berner-list, I do appreciate reading and learning from you guys. With all that said, I'm starting showing my Sierra in the Spring. Hope to see some of you down the road. Chantal, Robert, Sierra & Yukon Gatineau, Quebec __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca --- End Message ---
Re: Suckling Pup
how many people on the list have dogs that still suckle in their sleep long after they've been weaned? My dogs don't -- but one of my sons did this till he was nine or ten! Heart-melting. Susan (and Djinn and Riley...and the cats Smudge and Cleo)
Re: Suckling hefalump; was suckling pup
Sisco doesn't suckle in his sleep but does suckle, a lot, numerous times per day even, using his stuffed fleece bear as a surrogate "mummy". Whenever he comes home from a walk, or after being out for a while, he runs straight for his bed where "mummy" is waiting for him. He grabs her, shakes her a few times, flips her around until her head is facing to his right, lies down and wraps his paws around her, and proceeds to suckle on her head for 10 - 15 minutes, sometimes accompanied by little moans &/or whimpers. This is a three year old 115 pound unaltered stud dog we're talking about here. After a few days, "mummy's" head gets so saturated with drool that she becomes heavier and heavier until she gets the old heave-ho into the washer. We have two or three "mummies" on the go at any one time so he's always got one to work on while the others are in the wash. When Sisco's litter was born, their mother was very sick and unable to nurse them, so our breeder found a willing GSD who had just weaned a litter and was willing to take on another. While she was willing to nurse them, she didn't want to spend too much time with them just being a mummy to them, so we figure that maybe somewhere in Sisco's little psyche is an unsatisfied need for mothering. Anyway, it's hilarious to watch him in full "mummy mode". He obviously gets a lot of comfort out of it. Fran & Sisco (aw, mom, d'ya haf ta tell everyone about embarrassin' stuff!) West Vancouver, BC -- Fran Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] SportSound Music:http://www.geocities.com/franinvancouver Phone: 604-926-0084 Fax: 604-926-9543
Re: Suckling hefalump; was suckling pup
Well Neala does the sucking on the head of stuffed (fleece) animals also. She rolls her eyes and gets into dreamland. She likes the toys who have a mouth/nose sticking out. Sylvia Katvala with Neala Tucson, AZ
RE: Tennessee Police
Our clicker trainers dog was shot by police at her home while her husband and 2 children were there. The police had either wrong information or were at the wrong address for a drug bust. Anyway, Gwen, their black lab, ran towards the police, barking, but keeping her distance. One of the officers shot her. Immediately her husband and children came running out, it was then the officers knew they were at the wrong location, and had made a terrible mistake. Beth, our trainer, was obviously upset that her Gwennie was gone, but what upset her the most was that the officers shot her dog in her own fenced yard while her children were home. Rather than bad mouth the police, the dog community here in the metro area tried to help officers change the way they deal with people's pets. We know our officers work hard every day helping our communities, no one doubts that. What we hoped to accomplish here was to help officers read a dog's behavior and differentiate between a dog that might harm them and a dog who would not. I felt awful for our trainer Beth, and I feel awful for the family in TN who lost their devoted friend. Nikki Walsh and Edgar Burnsville, MN
Specialty Advertising
Posted for Laura Woolsey. Please respond privately to her if you have any questions. -- I wanted to remind everyone that the deadline for National Specialty catalog advertisement is February 15. That is only one month away! Because this date is earlier than most years, I'm afraid people will miss out. So please get your ad together and mail it to me today. There is no better way to get your message out to so many berner enthusiasts! Please email or call me with your questions. See you on the beach! Laura Woolsey 2846 Ross Ave Kingman, AZ 86401 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 928-753-7110
Re: Suckling Pup
I have a 2 year old BARC rescue dog who has to suck on a pillow to fall asleep. He is about 100 pounds and the bigger the pillow the better. I have tried to figure out why he does this. He was taken away from his mum at about 3 weeks. (!) He was then shipped here from Russia and sold at the auction. I brought him home at around 5 weeks. His papers said he was 9 weeks. He couldn't even eat solid food. Anyway, I think he missed his bonding time with mum. Now, he has his Max pillow to help him. Even my three kids (8,6, and 4 ) know to get him his Max pillow. Courtney and Max (suckling away) - Original Message - From: "Susan Berlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Bernese Mountain Dog Mailing List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, January 13, 2003 4:21 PM Subject: Re: Suckling Pup > > how many people on the list have dogs that still suckle in their sleep long > after they've been weaned? > > My dogs don't -- but one of my sons did this till he was nine or ten! > Heart-melting. > > Susan > (and Djinn and Riley...and the cats Smudge and Cleo) >
berner reading
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Re: guard dog?
In German the Berner is described as a "Wachhund" - watch dog - and it is my understanding that such a dog would raise the alarm at something unusual (stranger, funny noise, etc) by barking. I would also expect such a dog to calm down when the stranger is recognised or the funny noise investigated and found to be nothing for concern. A guard dog (such as a Rottweiler) would not necessarily sound an alarm, but they often do. They also tend to assess a situation for themselves and sort out the problem accordingly. However, the Rottie Standard requires a self assured dog and as such they will be wonderful companions that do not fly off the handle, but if push comes to shove you can rely on their protective instincts towards their family. Having said all that we have one Berner who is not only a very good watch dog, but who is also very protective towards me and I think he would come to the party if ever required. He is a dog that was hand fed and reared by me and I think that as a result he has bonded particularly closely with me. Definately nurture has triumphed over nature! Marion Brown Teversal Bernese Mountain Dogs South Africa Dogs Never Lie About Love (Jeffrey Masson)
Brag Time
This is my very first brag ever and yes Joye, the check will be in the mail tomorrow. I have just returned from the airport picking up my new puppy Cindy. She is perfect! What else should a new Berner mom say? Karen Alexander and gang CH Thunder Roads A Touch of Clover AKA Clover Lorien Dell Fraggle Rockett AKA Hazel Lorien Dell Cinderella Moments AKA Cindy
guard dog
>Does anyone have a Berner that ever acts as a guard >dog? you know, not >viscious, of course, but warning barks? Hi. I'm also a newcomer to Berner-L. I joined about a month ago and I "lurked" for a while and finally got a courage to post. Hopefully, I'm doing this correctly. Anyway, we have 2 Berner boys one just turned 4 y.o (Hugo) and the other one is 3.5 y.o.(Oso)and they take their guard/watch business seriously, though they are never aggresive nor vicious. Both boys give loud and very intimidating barks whenever someone comes near the house or anywhere where they consider their territory. We can no longer get pizza delivered to our house nor get the curb side service for takeouts because of them! They never attacked anybody or any dogs, it's just that they are big boys and their size and barks are very intimidating, if you don't know them. Just as I've read other people's posts, they are more likely to kiss you to death or rub you to death because they just "love" you and love the attention. However, they really do take the "watch dog" business seriously when it counts and they are very protective of me. One day, Hugo and I were in my van, stuck in the street closure due to some road repair. I needed to ask the construction crew a question. When one of them took a step closer toward my van, Hugo immediately bounced up and gave loud warning barks to this man and the whole van shook from his thundering barks! Scared the guy and couldn't get my question answered:( At another time, my mother and I were walking the boys at a park in the late afternoon. We were in a somewhat isolated part of this park when 2 suspecious looking men came out of bushes and started to follow us. Boys sensed something and immediately turned around, sat down, faced them, and started the low grumbling growls (the kind you can feel on the leash). The boys made sure that they were in between those suspecious men and us. My husband works late sometimes but ever since we got the boys, I feel safe alone with my boys! :) Misa and The Boys (Hugo& Oso) So California, USA __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com
Bugs & Viruses
No sexy naked Japanese ladies? Too bad. I was looking forward to look at some nice photos of Akita bitches. Last week I posted a request on a Microsoft list regarding problems with my Internet Explorer 6.0. Within two days I received 3 "returned" messages. Two were from Japan and one from Russia. I never mailed those. As Pat Long explained, they were returned to me because my address was in the "FROM" area. Once you post your email on a list it's very easy to have it used for spreading viruses or any other illegal use. Ugo Innocenti Novato, California
Re: Guard Dogs
I have three windows along the front of my house. If they're all clean when I return from an outing not much happened while I was gone. If I find that the dining room window has slobber half-way up then someone walked by with a dog on leash. If all three windows have slobber half-way up a cat, deer, or raccoon was in the front garden. If the living room window has slobber three quarters of the way up then Bentley was standing on the sofa barking at the UPS man (or whomever else might have come to the door) pretty much straight in the eye. Bentley even got me out of bed one night to show me that the garage door had not been put down. My big snuggly panda bear Berner Susan Kowitz, Mercedes, and Bentley Sequim, WA
