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temporarily hosting dogs
Hi- I will be taking care of a friend's 2 dogs ( not berners) this weekend and was wondering if anyone on the list serve has any suggestions on how to introduce my berner- Parker- ( almost 8 months) to those intruders. Should I keep them separated when I am not home? Should I go to a neutral spot (the neighborhood park) to introduce the dogs to one another-- so that Parker doesn't feel invaded-? Thanks in advance Sanaa Nelson- NJ __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com
Re: Karen and Stevie-Collars.
Karen -- Take a look at the no-pull harness shown here: http://www.petsmart.com/dog/shopping/collars%5F%5Fleashes%5F%5F%5Fid%5Ftags/harnesses%5Fand%5Fmuzzles/products/product%5F11833.shtml. We used a very similar one on 2 of our dogs who pulled terribly - a 65 lb husky-x and a 95 lb intact BMD boy. Works well - does not inflict pain, but rather causes discomfort under the arms ONLY when the dog pulls. Worked great for us - after a few weeks we could put it away and had well behaved dogs on leash! Liz Steinweg The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte Balou (11/06/1995) Bobby Sox (husky-x 10/31/1993) Rio Sahara (the Rat Cats) and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.ccrtiming.com/personal/personal.htm - Original Message - If I have him on leash and he sees a bird that he would like to get to know or anything else that strikes his fancy, he just about pulls my arm out of the socket. A friend of mine uses a pinch collar and I just wanted an opinion on them.
RE: Karen and Stevie-Collars.
this is the sporn harness. we have had great success with it. the company is great about replacement pieces as well. there is another similar one out, but it puts some pressure on the chest. this one is totally biomechanically sound. andrea -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Liz Steinweg Crew Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2003 12:12 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Berner List Subject: Re: Karen and Stevie-Collars. Karen -- Take a look at the no-pull harness shown here: http://www.petsmart.com/dog/shopping/collars%5F%5Fleashes%5F%5F%5Fid%5Ftags/ harnesses%5Fand%5Fmuzzles/products/product%5F11833.shtml. We used a very similar one on 2 of our dogs who pulled terribly - a 65 lb husky-x and a 95 lb intact BMD boy. Works well - does not inflict pain, but rather causes discomfort under the arms ONLY when the dog pulls. Worked great for us - after a few weeks we could put it away and had well behaved dogs on leash! Liz Steinweg The Crew Blue Moon's Baloo Berry Torte Balou (11/06/1995) Bobby Sox (husky-x 10/31/1993) Rio Sahara (the Rat Cats) and in loving memory of my 1st BMD - Toby (6/29/97 - 6/30/00 lost to MH) Colorado Springs CO http://www.ccrtiming.com/personal/personal.htm - Original Message - If I have him on leash and he sees a bird that he would like to get to know or anything else that strikes his fancy, he just about pulls my arm out of the socket. A friend of mine uses a pinch collar and I just wanted an opinion on them.
Re: Karen and Stevie-Collars.
Karen, I would highly recommend a Gentle Leader. We've used them on both our guys and they work really well. Our trainer uses these exclusively. I tried a pinch collar on Tugboat once because of an issue we were having with him fence fighting a couple of dogs on his walk, but I will NEVER do that again. That was months ago and I THINK he's forgiven us. You can check it out at www.gentleleader.com. It gives plenty of information on how it works, etc. It's more like a horse harness than a collar and there's no pain for the dog. Except the trauma of not getting to do exactly what they want when they want! Andie Reid Wilmington, NC Karen wrote: Dear Listers, Hi everyone!! First of all, just a quick update on Stevie. Stevie is doing absolutely WONDERFULLY. He is really a very normal and somewhat goofy boy. Bouncy and energetic. Stevie saw the vets yesterday and we do not have to go back again!! They have declared him completely recovered from his horrific accident (and believe me they are in awe just as much as I am) and also from his recent testicular tumour scare. All is well, Thank God and thank all of you!! Now I have a question for all my learned list friends. I have been having a problem myself with some health issues that involve my balance and physical strength. Stevie, now that he is well, is very exuberant to go out and explore absolutely everything. I have always only used a regular web collar on him but he pulls sometimes. He actually has pulled me off my feet and I am a fairly big girl! If I have him on leash and he sees a bird that he would like to get to know or anything else that strikes his fancy, he just about pulls my arm out of the socket. A friend of mine uses a pinch collar and I just wanted an opinion on them. I tried one on Stevie and it worked beautifully, but I don't know whether to use it or not. I value your opinions and suggestions. When I took Stevie out with it on this morning there was no pulling at all, and he did not seem to mind it at all. I just don't want to traumatize or hurt him in anyway. Thanks in advance for all and any help. Big Berner Hugs and Kisses Karen and Stevie NB, Canada --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.478 / Virus Database: 275 - Release Date: 06/05/2003
Ang: Re: Ang: Re: Karen and Stevie-Collars.
Hi, It will be a heat between the collar and the skin. Wounds like chafes in the armpits, close to the dogs chest. Margareta
Re: Karen and Stevie-Collars.
In a message dated 5/27/2003 12:52:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It will be a heat between the collar and the skin. Wounds like chafes in the armpits, close to the dogs chest. Margareta, I have not seen (nor ever heard of) this happening w/ either the various no pull harnesses, head halters, nor the pinch collar, all of which are used extensively in my area. If it did then it was not fitted properly. The same thing could happen w/ a buckle collar left on a long time too tight. I have never seen anything like this happen and I have used pinch collars myself for several of my dogs and my students' dogs and have many friends who do also. That would never happen in a properly fitted pinch collar b/c it is loose against the fur (you can slide your hand part way under it) except for the moment the dog pulls, which they rarely do very often once they understand how to walk nicely on it. Vilma Briggs (Kistner) Mt. Gilead, OH U-UD Mocha Java Slurp, UDX, HIC, TT Ch. Brighteye Expresso Bean, UD, NDD, TT U-CDX Our Little Buddy, UD, NA, TT Thirdtym's A Charm, CD Hob Nob Clouds In My Coffee (puppy Perc) and foster Bernerboy: Brew/Bruin
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New CD!!
Timber earned his third leg in Novice B obedience yesterday He had gotten the first two legs on May 10th 11th. :-))) He also took RWD Best Berner Puppy at his very first conformation show - from the puppy 6-9 month class. This was at a show near my parent's house in Del Mar, California. That was pretty exciting too! Timber is one good looking puppy with a heart of gold and a wonderful temperament. We are so proud of him! Ruth Johnson and Timber (Sascha's Woodman) 8 1/2 months Anchorage, Alaska
July Dog Fancy BMDCA Ad - Thank You's
Reposted in plain text for Robin: - Hello Everyone, Since those of you with subscriptions to Dog Fancy are beginning to receive the July edition that features BMDs, I thought it would be timely to share some information about the BMDCA full page, color display ad. Personally, I think the ad is smashing and hope you will feel the same way. The BMDCA Public Relations Committee (PRC) wishes to thank several people who were the creative forces behind this advertisement. First, we'd like to thank Amy Douglas who graciously helped the PRC in the process of exploring ad concepts. Second, Julie Mott deserves a huge round of applause for her tireless efforts in graphics design and copy crafting. And, finally, the stunning photograph that pulls everything together belongs to Anne Nichols who generously allowed the BMDCA to use her work. I'd also like to thank my fellow committee members who put untold hours into contemplating and fleshing out ad concepts. Until you've done it I doubt many have an appreciation for how much work goes into developing an ad. Towards the end, we were all thinking that running the Boston Marathon might have been easier. I'd like to thank Sherri Venditti for all of her hard work and creative flair. And, Alison Jaskiewicz, the PRC's Board liaison, who was a tremendous asset and contributor -- as always -- throughout this project. As we did with the multi-dog advertisement (Dog Fancy - November 2002), we will be selling this new ad in poster form as well. The proceeds from this fund raising effort will be used for the PRC's ongoing public outreach efforts. When we are ready to roll in terms of printing and shipping I'll post ordering information. Please join me in saying thanks to our invaluable volunteers who so generously donated their time, effort and superior creativity. Best wishes, Robin Hamme Chair/BMDCA Public Relations Committee ShadyOak BMDs Evansville, IN, USA PS - It is thrilling to see all of the BMD club and personal ads that were placed in the July edition of Dog Fancy. What a show of commitment to the welfare of the breed. Thank you everyone!
RE: Help us educate
Crossposted by author's request: (And if any of the posts here on the Berner-L have been especially helpful in managing through those difficult early training times, do let her know about those too! If you can't find the specific posts, I may be able to help you find them.) Pat --- Many of our club's well established breeders have developed info packets to send out with their pups. Now that we aren't the only ones selling Berners I thought maybe some of us might like to help out those people who got their Pup from a breeder who doesn't offer support. I would really like to see more organized and helpful information on raising pups on BMDCA's website where it will be available for anyone with a Berner. In the interest of compiling our member's collected knowledge I'd like to ask that anyone who would care to share their puppy packet with me please do so. This also includes you out there that aren't breeders and got a packet of information from your breeder that you found especially helpful. If we get a good many people that are willing to share information then I'll try to compile it into a more cohesive block of material to help PPOs. Maybe our BMDCA website committee can get this collected information onto our club website for use by anyone with a Berner. Elizabeth Pearson has put our Alpenhorn together forever, and what a wonderful job too Elizabeth! Anyone read an article in our newsletter that helped them with puppy issues? New owner issues? I know there have been many helpful Alpenhorn articles by members and those articles that Elizabeth ferreted out and got permission to reprint have had some great information. Or as Robin Hamme has suggested (good one too), has anyone got a favorite professionally produced article from a journal or other magazine that has helped you to handle any kind of issue concerning raising your puppy? How about it! Please share your ideas because your help is needed to educate new owners so Berners don't fall through the cracks. Please let me know what has worked well for you so together we can get helpful info out there for everyone to use. Thanks for your help in advance. Please cross post to other Berner lists. Ann Milligan BonMead Bernese Mountain Dogs [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.angelfire.com/alt/milligan_bmds/
Longlease Update!
Ah, me! Great sadness here today! Dennis's bull died today, was down in the field below me with the cows and calves and he went down Saturday and I called Den and he got the vet out. Still not sure what has happened, David (Ros's husband, they run a partnership vet practise, she does small domestic, he does large farm) has been here twice a day since then. Was not practical to move Ben the Bull, been treated where he fell! Very early this morning I went down to check him out, he died overnight. So very sad, he was such a character! He was taken away this morning! We are in shock! I missed my Sunny vet visit with Ros this morning, non urgent, and Ros knew what was going on! We go in tomorrow instead. Sunny is walking further each day, has been off the Rimadyl over a week now and on the supplements, doing good! The weird toothie/gum thingie is still there despite final today five days of different antibiotics. Will let you know tomorrow. Did do some new updates to the Longlease Site late last night, Bank Holiday pics of friends, Janet and Robin, with my Gang and also a proper Tribute Page for Hazel and, sadly, new addition of Jodhy to Histio Roll Call! Five new pages to come tomorrow, no chance tonight I am so tired! RIP Ben the Bull! We will miss you! The bull who was a gentle giant! Me and the dogs were more wary of the cows guarding their calves when we went down the drive through the field than we were of Ben, he was a Sweetie! Ah me, to bed, we are knackered, been a very sad day! Love Us All, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
Canadian Ontario BMD Specialties
Thank you , Thank you, To the organizers, assistant organizers and right down to the last helping hands, THANK YOU for a wonderful time!! As participants in these awesome shows, we are so grateful for all your hard work, patience, and never ending friendliness. As Canadians, you made us proud. In spite of horrendous weather conditions on Saturday, you folks came through with the time honoured adage: The Show Must Go On. We were overwhelmed with the quality of the dogs that were shown, and this, in every class. Thank you one and all for bringing your kids to help us celebrate the breed. Dogs and bitches alike were a sight to behold: beautiful, proud, well mannered, well presented...the list goes on and on. A special Bravo to those who had the courage to risk having their loved ones publicly evaluated in the Sieger show so that the rest of us could learn more about our beloved breed. Whose heart was not filled to the brim to see the wonderful presentation of the veterans, who strutted their stuff like the puppies they are at heart? The judging was refreshing, each dog/bitch had his due. Congratulations to the winners, ( I don't have the names folks, sorry), we know you will carry your honours well. Enjoy your well earned moment in history!!! It was an opportunity to renew old friendships and to stretch out our hands to the new. Thank you again, BMDCC BMDCO for a memorable time. It is much appreciated. Leon Lesley Rouillier, and the crew Bernvonrust Kennel Spring Brook, Ontario, Canada
Re: New CD!!
In a message dated 05/27/2003 12:56:06 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Timber earned his third leg in Novice B obedience yesterday He had gotten the first two legs on May 10th 11th. :-))) Wow! What a BIG congratulations to you and Timber, that's pretty impressive. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 3/4 yrs.) Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCA Corresponding Secretary NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Finger Lakes Bernerfest
Could someone in the know post the date for the Finger Lakes Bernerfest on Cayuga Lake? I have heard it may be as soon as this Sunday or possibly the following Sunday on June 8. Thanks. Cindy Reid Corning, NY
Bad Experience in Class
I just went through a not so nice experience in an obedience class...The instructor was trying to get ten month old Nicco to quit being such a shark for his food rewards by teaching him easy. She would keep the bait in a closed fist and rap him on the nose when he was not being gentle enough...this was not a gentle tap and once was a pretty good punch. Nicco's reaction was to try to flee from her...I was not happy about his reaction. It was the first time I have ever seen him try to flee from someone. I also did not like the way the instuctor yanked the dogs around when they headed off in the opposite direction when walking on leash. I have been through other obed. classes and I know a good pop is effective...I didn't like the rough yanking I saw in this class. Am I just showing my inexperience or does any of this sound kinda rough? I am going one more week but if I come away with mixed feelings again then I'll quit this instructor and go elsewhere. Thanks, Cindy Reid
Re: Bad Experience in Class
In a message dated 05/27/2003 9:33:09 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I am going one more week but if I come away with mixed feelings again then I'll quit this instructor and go elsewhere. My own feeling is - go with your gut feeling. I have made it a policy of my own that no one works with my dog but me. I will ask for an instructor's advise and suggestion and if it feels right to me, I will do it. Berners are sensitive dogs and usually should not be subjected to rough treatment. Most of them do not forgive easily and tend to have memories like the proverbial elephant. It is often best to observe an instructor doing a class before signing up to be sure their methods and your comfort level are on the same wave length. Your boy could easily have been taught not to snarf his treats without the punching. Anne Copeland, Flash,TDI/CGC (Berner, 8 3/4 yrs.) Gypsy TDI/CGC(Rescue Cavalier,2 yrs.) BMDCA Corresponding Secretary NE ILL [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ty's memorial page: http://www.geocities.com/workingyorkie/ty.html Gypsy's page:http://hometown.aol.com/annes4/Gypsy.html
Re: Bad Experience in Class
I would not go back to that class -- period and end of discussion. Punching and jerking???!!! If someone did that to one of my dogs, I might be the one doing the punching! Training can and does occur without cruelty. I am glad you were uncomfortable with someone being mean to your dog -- trust your instincts and find a trainer who knows how to train with kindness and intelligence. Good luck :) Mary-Ann Bowman Emma, CDX, DD, retired Abra, VCD1 (NA, NAJ, CD, TD), CDX, OA, DD, CGC Maize, VCD1, OA, OAJ, DD, CGC Halo, TD at exactly six months :)
Re: Bad Experience in Class
- Original Message - From: Cindy Reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am going one more week but if I come away with mixed feelings again then I'll quit this instructor and go elsewhere. Cindy, I have been working with a fella who was made to scream by an instructor...not in my control my hubby's who thought she knew what she was doing. This dog loved everyone one day and the next day after she made him scream he loved/trusted no stranger. Now grant you I believe he was 'soft' or the experience would not have soared him so easily. There are more instructors and this is your furkid, your job to 'let happen to him' what you will.me I wouldn't give her the chance to ruin your precious baby, but then that is me. Yanking and hard nosing are not my preferred methods. I wouldn't go back, I would find a positive class instructor. Just me. My hubby learned through this to never trust anyone with the leashI had told him, now he knows why. An instructor can instruct me, but they don't touch my dog PERIOD. Rusty C Good Company
Training Spirited Puppies
When I posted about what a piranha Mercedes was as a puppy in reply to a biting Berner post I got a lot of private posts from people with similar situations. Several of these folks had kids as I did. I did my best to describe what worked for us and probably forgot a lot in each individual post. For example, I've never posted what a help the book Calming Signals was in teaching me how to approach a dog in an understandably non-threatening way. Our breeders were clear with us before we ever brought our first puppy home that these pups have razor sharp teeth and that it would be a real challenge having them in the house with children. That just sharpened my determination to read up and to follow the advice of our breeders. Still we were dismayed at how difficult it was to get near this girl when she was the least bit excited. Our hands and legs were always scratched and many of our clothes torn. I've posted about it before so won't go into detail here. With love and training we came through it with a gentle girl. I believe there are a number of folks who have and who will have really mouthy, excitable Berner pups and I'd love for some of the trainers, breeders, and rescue/rehomers on the list to talk about training methods that work in these situations. The people I've heard from have no desire to give up their dogs. They love them. They would just love to be able to get near them without being bitten. Thanks in advance. This is a difficult subject for people to post about. Susan Kowitz, Sweet Mercedes, and Ever Gentle Bentley Sequim, WA
Re: Bad Experience in Class
Don't give your dog a common name! Mercedes also goes by Sadie, one of the most common names in all of dogdom. We once attended a class with another Sadie in it whose owner was a growly, grumbly person...always yelling at his dog. My girl thought it was about her and didn't like it there. I called her Mercedes, but she knows both so no way to undo the harm. She likes obedience classes, even that one, but I had to stop for a while until that man moved on. Susan Kowitz, Mercedes, and Bentley Sequim, WA
