Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
Mnyb wrote: > So whats your saying is that it works for you on debian with the latest > 7.9 thats what i'd tried to say - but tbh - its one of many scenarios. That File wasnt tagged as sampler - may thats another issue??? Mnyb wrote: > Then its actually better than ever :) is it something else that goes > wrong on windows then ? If he is using the same scenario - seems to be (Michael already told us so it should) Mnyb wrote: > > If you use file names and not tags ? That should match my other test (on linux) its case sensitive for files/folders. That means a renaming is like deleting and thats covered on my setup. Mnyb wrote: > so it is better than ever . yapp - tbh i didnt expect the posted result and i have to rethink about my rescan behaviour. DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
DJanGo wrote: > i think he uses a special scenario. > > i retagged a file from Abba to ABba and did a rescan: > > This tells me - rescan is working. > > > Code: > > select id,name,namesort,namesearch from contributors where name like 'Abba'; > 59|Abba|ABBA|ABBA > 12990|ABba|ABBA|ABBA > > > > > see namesort and namesearch are the same even when id and name is > different. > > now i (didnt remove the file but changed the artist back to Abba) and > did a rescan for changes again. > > > Code: > > sqlite> select id,name,namesort,namesearch from contributors where name like 'Abba'; > 59|Abba|ABBA|ABBA > > > > Artist 12990 is gone. > > running Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1477086729 @ Mon Oct 24 > 04:31:29 UTC 2016 on Debian Linux. > > Thats pretty amazing isnt it? So whats your saying is that it works for you on debian with the latest 7.9 Then its actually better than ever :) is it something else that goes wrong on windows then ? If you use file names and not tags ? Btw i haved done total rescan for while now some years ago it was a common thing to have to do , so it is better than ever . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
Mnyb wrote: > It seems like add new works just fine , its the changed part that could > be better ? > i think he uses a special scenario. i retagged a file from Abba to ABba and did a rescan: This tells me - rescan is working. Code: select id,name,namesort,namesearch from contributors where name like 'Abba'; 59|Abba|ABBA|ABBA 12990|ABba|ABBA|ABBA see namesort and namesearch are the same even when id and name is different. now i (didnt remove the file but changed the artist back to Abba) and did a rescan for changes again. Code: sqlite> select id,name,namesort,namesearch from contributors where name like 'Abba'; 59|Abba|ABBA|ABBA Artist 12990 is gone. running Logitech Media Server Version: 7.9.0 - 1477086729 @ Mon Oct 24 04:31:29 UTC 2016 on Debian Linux. Thats pretty amazing isnt it? DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
DJanGo wrote: > hmm didnt see that on my setup. but i will check that right now. ahh ok - just checked that and that afaik pretty new behavior. copy a song - changed the artist to some rubbish do a rescan check for the rubbish artist removed the fil and did a rescan again rubbish artist was gone. thats fine (but didnt checked whats happen when i retag that file instead of deleting it) But thats fine for me. did you check my way with the playlists? DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
One way to put it is if you . *Scanned all your files at once . *added one album at time and incrementaly scanned until your finished . * some mix of the above and then remove stuff tweak it and add again . If you not into to how computing stuff works ( I do some industrial controller Stuff , but no real coding ) you would naively expect that you ended up with an identical dB however you did it ? I thinks it's an valid expectation. Now LMS does not really work like that . Some optimisation is done between speed and precision ? I would not mind if the incremental scan was 1/2 it's current speed if some more "cleanup" or what scan does when removing stale artist and genres et al was done . It seems like add new works just fine , its the changed part that could be better ? I think our friend Frank has hit another corner case he has one of the largest windows based LMS systems around and seems to grow and change the library vigorously:) both fixing tags and adding stuff . Been there to when I did a large tag overhaul some years ago . You don't notice much of this when library is more stable and you simply add a new album now and then . Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
frank1969 wrote: > I don't agree. If I do a complete misspelling (like AA) in my > library and I correct it, with the next "new and changed"-scan LMS > removes this "AA" artist from my db. Scanner seems to do some kind > of cleanup (Maybe Michaee can confess?) hmm didnt see that on my setup. but i will check that right now. frank1969 wrote: > > Why should I? LMS is still the BEST tool for handling large libraries > and I thought the aim of this forum (and of Michaels work) is to make a > good thing even better and to correct bugs or other uncomfortable things > - instead of saying "we can't do any better, we give up..." mea culpa english isnt my mothers language - that was my try to say "one way you have to die" fast scanning or precise. DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
DJanGo wrote: > AFAIK its like that: > LMS doesnt know if Abba is only used in these two retaged files only or > if Abba is somewhere tagged as Band/Composer. > Therefore LMS didnt remove Abba from the library. > I don't agree. If I do a complete misspelling (like AA) in my library and I correct it, with the next "new and changed"-scan LMS removes this "AA" artist from my db. Scanner seems to do some kind of cleanup (Maybe Michaee can confess?) DJanGo wrote: > Choose something new... Why should I? LMS is still the BEST tool for handling large libraries and I thought the aim of this forum (and of Michaels work) is to make a good thing even better and to correct bugs or other uncomfortable things - instead of saying "we can't do any better, we give up..." frank1969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
And why is the file names important ? it's the tagging thats important .Do you resort to untagged files and have LMS guesing artist etc from the file names ? Another case of case sentive vs not case sensitive are *.cue files .LMS on Win find the corrsponing flac,mp3 or wav vs on *nix the case must be rigth. Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: Touch + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad1 with iPengHD & SqueezePad (spares Touch, SB3, reciever ,controller ) server HP proliant micro server N36L with ClearOS Linux http://people.xiph.org/~xiphmont/demo/neil-young.html Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
frank1969 wrote: > So I don't understand what happens there: > If windows sees both as the same file, scanner (who is case sensitive) > should just see "changed file", (example 1) remove the old artist "Abba" > and insert the new artist "ABBA". I don't understand why it keeps the > old spelled "Abba" in the database - it's not included in any fire > anymore - neither in the "ABBA" nor in the "Abba" directory. AFAIK its like that: You have 10 different Artists and 100 different tracks. Two Tracks have a Artist like Abba, 8 the Artist ABBA. Now you retag the two Abba ones and do a rescan. LMS doesnt know if Abba is only used in these two retaged files only or if Abba is somewhere tagged as Band/Composer. Therefore LMS didnt remove Abba from the library. To solve this issue lms must rescan each Track from each Contributor if its still exists and the tag is also the same. On the other Hand the guys always moaning about slow performance when they scann their 500k torrents library. Choose something new... DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
mherger wrote:
> The short answer to your subject: the scanner is case sensitive, but
> Windows is not.
I'm aware of this fact - but just therefore I thought it wouldn't
matter, if the file is called "Ich liebe Dich" or "Ich liebe dich" - or
"ABBA" <=> "Abba" - for Windows is case insensitive it's the same for
windows.
So I don't understand what happens there:
If windows sees both as the same file, scanner (who is case sensitive)
should just see "changed file", (example 1) remove the old artist "Abba"
and insert the new artist "ABBA". I don't understand why it keeps the
old spelled "Abba" in the database - it's not included in any fire
anymore - neither in the "ABBA" nor in the "Abba" directory.
Or in 2nd example, scanner shows 2 different files ("Ich liebe dich" and
"Ich liebe Dich"), so scanner/windows noticed the chance - but scanner
should see, only ONE of them stll exists, and even if it sees both - the
old spelling 'Ich liebe Dich' should be removed, for case senstive
scanner should recognize it's in neither file anymore...
I know, You know a thousand times more about LMS, but I just try to
understand what's happening there...
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
frank1969 wrote: > Sound like a good idea to test - but I don't have this entry in my menu > ( using LMS 7.9.0 r1477086729 ) You need the Additional Browse Modes plugin installed. Then, Settings > Player Tab > Additional Browse Modes (dropdown) > check or uncheck items you wish to appear under Home > My Music. Settings are per player. +---+ |Filename: Additional2.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21450| +---+ kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
kidstypike wrote: > If your temporary folder isn't scanned by LMS, then you can use Discs & > Folders *(NOT* Music Folder) to browse and play the files without them > being added to the database. Sound like a good idea to test - but I don't have this entry in my menu ( using LMS 7.9.0 r1477086729 ) frank1969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
The short answer to your subject: the scanner is case sensitive, but Windows is not. This can lead to all kinds of confusion. -- Michael ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
frank1969 wrote: > I think that's not the way it would work. > I put the "new ones" in a special folder till I have time to fix them . > of course I don't mix "fixed tags" with others. > But I don't have this much time - so since April there are 48.312 files > in this special directory (the new ones since april) > If I did it Your way - I would fix, put the new ones in a special folder > (what I already do, see above) ... and don't import them till they're > fixed in some months and can't hear them ... - this would spoil the fun > of using lms completely, I think You understand... > And this is not what Michael intended by inventing features like "drag + > drop play" to make use of lms easier... If your temporary folder isn't scanned by LMS, then you can use Discs & Folders *(NOT* Music Folder) to browse and play the files without them being added to the database. +---+ |Filename: discs.jpg| |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=21441| +---+ kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
frank1969 wrote:
> I think that's not the way it would work.
> Since its "my" way i know it works ;-)
frank1969 wrote:
> I put the "new ones" in a special folder till I have time to fix them .
> of course I don't mix "fixed tags" with others.
> But I don't have this much time - so since April there are 48.312 files
> in this special directory (the new ones since april)
> ok...
frank1969 wrote:
> If I did it Your way - I would fix, put the new ones in a special folder
> (what I already do, see above) ... and don't import them till they're
> fixed in some months and can't hear them ... - this would spoil the fun
> of using lms completely, I think You understand...
Nope ;-)
eg your Folders look like
Code:
playlist
- Artist
--|-ABBA
--|-Ayumi Hamasaki
/snip
\snap
--|ZZ-Top
you need something like
a folder named
- Fixit
-- |-Abba
and some cmd like
Code:
if exist ..\playlist\unfixed.m3u del ..\playlist\unfixed.m3u
cd /d fixit
for /f "delims=" %%a in ('dir /b /s *.mp3') do echo
"tmp://%%a">>..\playlist\unfixed.m3u
and your done.
You even (may should) add one playlist for each Folder instead of that
big playlist.
Code:
for /f "delims=" %%a in ('dir *.mp3 /b /s') do echo "tmp://%%a">>
"..\playlist\%~na.m3u"
That should work - even when its -untested-
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Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
DJanGo wrote: > fix the 500k collection once and your done. > Dont put new files on your lib until the tags are good. I think that's not the way it would work. I put the "new ones" in a special folder till I have time to fix them . of course I don't mix "fixed tags" with others. But I don't have this much time - so since April there are 48.312 files in this special directory (the new ones since april) If I did it Your way - I would fix, put the new ones in a special folder (what I already do, see above) ... and don't import them till they're fixed in some months and can't hear them ... - this would spoil the fun of using lms completely, I think You understand... And this is not what Michael intended by inventing features like "drag + drop play" to make use of lms easier... frank1969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
frank1969 wrote: > Well, that's clear - but a clear and rescan takes nearly 6 hours on my > > 500k collection, so I can't do it that often. > I think, this is the reason why "new and changed" was invented... ;-) fix the 500k collection once and your done. Dont put new files on your lib until the tags are good. Using lms this way you never gets in trouble again with errors only a clear and rescan could fix. There are a lot of changes since the earliest days - eg. on Winblows XP must must rename files/folders from Abba to something like ABBA_ and rename it to ABBA. Under Winblows 7> just can rename Abba to ABBA in one step. DJanGo's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1516 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
kidstypike wrote: > A clear and rescan should fix all the duplicates. Well, that's clear - but a clear and rescan takes nearly 6 hours on my > 500k collection, so I can't do it that often. I think, this is the reason why "new and changed" was invented... ;-) frank1969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
A clear and rescan should fix all the duplicates. kidstypike LMS on Raspberry Pi 3/max2play/HiFiBerry DAC+ > AVI DM5 1 x SB3 - 1 x Boom - 1 x (Squeezebox) Radio - 2 x Touch - 2 x Raspberry Pi/piCorePlayer/HiFiBerry kidstypike's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10436 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
[SlimDevices: Beta] Scanner seems NOT to be case sensitiv in every routine?
I see LMS' scanner beeing case sensitive in a very "special" way (Windows 10). Example #1: I had my "ABBA"-files/albums in a folder called "Abba" and artist (as well as artist album) labeled to "Abba" I recognized on all samplers they're spelled "ABBA" and I had to different artists (expected behaviour for LMS is case sensitive), so I changed artist, album artist and even folder name from "Abba" => "ABBA" What I see after a "new and changed scan" is on every file TWO artists and album artists: Album artist: Abba, ABBA Artist: Abba, ABBA If I click on the "Abba" tag and see a files source it shows me "M:\A\Abba\..." (what doesn't exist anymore) If i click the "ABBA" tag is shows as source "M:\A\ABBA\..." So to me it seems, scanner sees the "Abba" and the "ABBA" file on the one hand as two different folders (what is correct if it's case sensitive), on the other hand scanner doesn't see that the "ABBA"-folder is gone and sees the "Abba"-folder as the same as the "ABBA"-folder and even mixes the tags from "both" folders together... (in this routine scanner seems to be case insensitive)? Example #2: On an album I have Track 3 called "Ich liebe Dich" and I change it to "Ich liebe dich" (to harmonize spelling in my db). I also changed the file name from "Ich liebe Dich.mp3" to "Ich liebe dich.mp3". After a "new and changed" the song appears TWICE in my album: Both are called "Ich liebe dich" (new spelling), but one is linked to "Ich liebe dich.mp3", the other one to "Ich liebe Dich.mp3". Once again, scanner obviously sees them as two different files, but doesn't recognize, that the "Ich lieb Dich.mp3"-file is gone (maybe in this routine scanner once again is case insensitive)? Many thanks for caring for it blows up my collection a lot (and it happens "every day anew" for the tags I get from iTunes oder Amazon are a desaster and I have to fix them on weekend or on holidays - but I don't get rid of the "initially wrong ones") frank1969's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31156 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=106405 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
