Re: [Bibdesk-users] preview of new file UI
Hallo Adam, I like the new UI for files a lot. Thank you for that work. One thing: What I like a lot about autofile is that it keeps your harddrive organised once you've thought about how you would like to organize everything. I read that it is not like that, but wouldn't one expect that a file that is dropped into your new window is aurofiled? Maybe the user could be asked if he wants the new file to be moved to the location that is defined as the autofile location. There could be a check-box to turn that behaviour of. Related to that: I have the impression that autofile is a powerful feature that is not used very often by many users? Couldn't BibDesk offer a standard setting like: Define as the autofile-location some place in ~Library for example ~Library/Application Support/BibDesk/ Autofiling/NAMEofBIBFile/CiteKeyOfEntry/CitekeyOfEntry.xyz. Of course more advanced users can do whatever they want, but for the beginner, it would be good to have a setup that just works and offers a lot of the features you discover only after a while. However, that is just an suggestion - Daniel - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] autofile location
On 9 Sep 2007, at 3:36 PM, Daniel Becker wrote: Am 09.09.2007 um 14:33 schrieb Derick Fay: I would recommend against a Library autofile default location - Related to that: I have the impression that autofile is a powerful feature that is not used very often by many users? Couldn't BibDesk offer a standard setting like: Define as the autofile-location some place in ~Library for example ~L ok ok - the point is not where the autofile location is but to educate new users to use autofile and give them the opportunity to learn about it. Maybe ~/Documents/BibDeskAutoFiling/ with a small Readme inside that explains how to change the location of that folder. Or a folder relative to the bib-file named NameOfTheBibFile- Folder. And it should be a one-click operation to turn autofiling on. The default location is ~/Documents/Papers. though it will probably not exist anyway. This kind of explanation is supposed to be put in the Help, where it already is. Personally, I am really happy how autofile works. But I grew up with BibDesk and learnt about the features as they were invented. I guess now new users have difficulties to imagine how powerful this fabulous application is Daniel There are lots of features. The first thing a new user should do if he wants to learn about using it is go to the Help. Otherwise there is nothing from our side we should do. Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] preview of new file UI
On Sep 9, 2007, at 03:02, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 9 Sep 2007, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Becker wrote: Hallo Adam, I like the new UI for files a lot. Thank you for that work. Thanks... One thing: What I like a lot about autofile is that it keeps your harddrive organised once you've thought about how you would like to organize everything. I read that it is not like that, but wouldn't one expect that a file that is dropped into your new window is aurofiled? Maybe the user could be asked if he wants the new file to be moved to the location that is defined as the autofile location. There could be a check-box to turn that behaviour of. I would say that a file dropped on the new UI in the detail editor should be autofiled. It is like setting the Local-Url in the current situation. Right, that's the plan as we discussed previously. This is little more than a UI mockup to test the concept, and so the editor window isn't functional. My hope is that a revised editor window would help new users discover AutoFile and the other file-related features we have. It'll need some background text that says drop files here. Adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] autofile location
Am 09.09.2007 um 15:54 schrieb Christiaan Hofman: On 9 Sep 2007, at 3:36 PM, Daniel Becker wrote: Am 09.09.2007 um 14:33 schrieb Derick Fay: I would recommend against a Library autofile default location - Related to that: I have the impression that autofile is a powerful feature that is not used very often by many users? Couldn't BibDesk offer a standard setting like: Define as the autofile-location some place in ~Library for example ~L ok ok - the point is not where the autofile location is but to educate new users to use autofile and give them the opportunity to learn about it. Maybe ~/Documents/BibDeskAutoFiling/ with a small Readme inside that explains how to change the location of that folder. Or a folder relative to the bib-file named NameOfTheBibFile- Folder. And it should be a one-click operation to turn autofiling on. The default location is ~/Documents/Papers. though it will probably not exist anyway. This kind of explanation is supposed to be put in the Help, where it already is. Personally, I am really happy how autofile works. But I grew up with BibDesk and learnt about the features as they were invented. I guess now new users have difficulties to imagine how powerful this fabulous application is Daniel There are lots of features. The first thing a new user should do if he wants to learn about using it is go to the Help. Otherwise there is nothing from our side we should do. Christiaan I was actually about to write a chapter about autofile (since it is among my favorite features of BibDesk) for the wiki - providing examples and screenshots. That I now delayed until the new features Adam is working on are implemented. My hope is that having the information in two different versions (help and wiki) will improve people's awareness of autofile's power. a. -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users = please avoid sending me word attachements; see http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html for details and background - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] autofile location
On Sep 9, 2007, at 07:38, Alex Hamann wrote: Am 09.09.2007 um 15:54 schrieb Christiaan Hofman: There are lots of features. The first thing a new user should do if he wants to learn about using it is go to the Help. Otherwise there is nothing from our side we should do. We may be able to make some features more obvious. I agree that enabling autofile by default is probably not safe. We could add a dialog that asks if the user wants to enable AutoFile when a file is dropped (with a checkbox to disable the dialog in future). I think a present problem is that new users have no idea you can drop a file on a form field, or maybe even on the toolbar button. I was actually about to write a chapter about autofile (since it is among my favorite features of BibDesk) for the wiki - providing examples and screenshots. That I now delayed until the new features Adam is working on are implemented. My hope is that having the information in two different versions (help and wiki) will improve people's awareness of autofile's power. The new features (if implemented) won't be available for some time, so feel free to get started. adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] preview of new file UI
On 9 Sep 2007, at 4:34 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: On Sep 9, 2007, at 03:02, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 9 Sep 2007, at 9:39 AM, Daniel Becker wrote: Hallo Adam, I like the new UI for files a lot. Thank you for that work. Thanks... One thing: What I like a lot about autofile is that it keeps your harddrive organised once you've thought about how you would like to organize everything. I read that it is not like that, but wouldn't one expect that a file that is dropped into your new window is aurofiled? Maybe the user could be asked if he wants the new file to be moved to the location that is defined as the autofile location. There could be a check-box to turn that behaviour of. I would say that a file dropped on the new UI in the detail editor should be autofiled. It is like setting the Local-Url in the current situation. Right, that's the plan as we discussed previously. This is little more than a UI mockup to test the concept, and so the editor window isn't functional. My hope is that a revised editor window would help new users discover AutoFile and the other file-related features we have. It'll need some background text that says drop files here. Adam Perhaps only when it's empty? Christiaan - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] preview of new file UI
On Sep 9, 2007, at 14:05, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 9 Sep 2007, at 4:34 PM, Adam R. Maxwell wrote: My hope is that a revised editor window would help new users discover AutoFile and the other file-related features we have. It'll need some background text that says drop files here. Adam Perhaps only when it's empty? Exactly. I put up a new demo app at http://homepage.mac.com/amaxwell/.Public/FileViewTest.app.zip that has a first pass at this. It's not subtle. It also has drag-and-drop insert support, and key navigation with arrow keys. Rearranging objects will require a bit more work, but I think most of the UI bits are in place now. I also rewrote the datasource API and added bindings support this afternoon, so I'm curious to see if that's any more efficient with BibDesk's preview. -- adam - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Microsoft Defy all challenges. Microsoft(R) Visual Studio 2005. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/vse012070mrt/direct/01/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
