Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Nathan Paxton wrote: > > > > This feature is support for bibtex's macros. You're basically supposed to be > familiar with bibtex if you use this feature, otherwise you're not supposed > to be interested in it. > > Christiaan > > Sorry. I hadn't realized that Macros were one of the advanced things I > should avoid interest in. I shall try to be less curious from here on. Please don't. Maybe some historical context would help explain (but not excuse) the state of the documentation. For a long time, BibDesk didn't support bibtex macros. It would wrap everything you typed in the text box with a pair of braces. My opinion at the time was that macros were an old solution to having to type things over and over, one which I felt was better solved by autocompletion in the text fields (which BD did have). I still think this, because the UI is better, it's easier to copy bibtex entries around since they don't refer to macros anymore, and no one cares about duplicated storage of a few bytes here and there*. However, what I didn't know at the beginning was that macros are also used as a bit of an internationalization feature - by not defining the month macros, you can have an entry that refers to jun and let bibtex decide later if it wants to expand that to "June" or "June in some other language". So after being explained that many times by experienced LaTeX users (likely coming to BibDesk from emacs or the like), we added macros as they are now. I'd echo the earlier advice from James - if you are just trying to cut down on typing, use autocomplete and then you don't have to refer to the macros list to remember what you used as an abbreviation. * - Dan Abell points out another great use for macros if you happen to have a publisher who is demanding of their citation formats. Some of us have the opposite problem - our fields' publications do not demand enough consistency in formatting... But that's a gripe for another day. -mike > > Best, > -Nathan > -- > Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA > -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise > -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation > -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD > http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H > ___ > Bibdesk-users mailing list > Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users > > -- Michael McCracken UCSD CSE PhD Candidate research: http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/~mmccrack/ misc: http://michael-mccracken.net/wp/ -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
Nathan, don't get discouraged with the macros: they're essential. With journal titles, for example, if a different abbreviation is demanded of you, then you change it in just one place. -Dan On 23 Feb 2009, at 10:50, Nathan Paxton wrote: This feature is support for bibtex's macros. You're basically supposed to be familiar with bibtex if you use this feature, otherwise you're not supposed to be interested in it. Christiaan Sorry. I hadn't realized that Macros were one of the advanced things I should avoid interest in. I shall try to be less curious from here on. Best, -Nathan -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On 23 Feb 2009, at 6:50 PM, Nathan Paxton wrote: > > >> >> This feature is support for bibtex's macros. You're basically >> supposed to be familiar with bibtex if you use this feature, >> otherwise you're not supposed to be interested in it. >> >> Christiaan >> >>> > Sorry. I hadn't realized that Macros were one of the advanced > things I should avoid interest in. I shall try to be less curious > from here on. > > Best, > -Nathan That's not what I mean, it's an explanation as to why the help is as it is. Christiaan -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
This feature is support for bibtex's macros. You're basically supposed to be familiar with bibtex if you use this feature, otherwise you're not supposed to be interested in it. Christiaan Sorry. I hadn't realized that Macros were one of the advanced things I should avoid interest in. I shall try to be less curious from here on. Best, -Nathan -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On 23 Feb 2009, at 6:37 PM, Nathan Paxton wrote:
On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:58 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
On 02/23/09 08:49, "Nathan Paxton" wrote:
Publisher = {pup},
should be "Publisher = pup" (no quotes).
Why does BD put the braces in? I simply entered pup and Princeton
University Press in the applicable blanks in the Macros panel.
Because that's what bibtex does. Please read the online Help first.
I just put the "pup" string in the entry window.
Open the editor window for this entry, choose the Publisher field,
and hit
cmd-r. Delete the outer curly braces and tab out of the field. It
will
then show up in blue.
This should be covered in the help on macros. Look for "raw
bibtex" or
something.
Sort of. There is mention of the use of raw Bibtex in the field if
one wants to use macros, but it wasn't clear that that was
necessary. The info sounds like there are several ways that this can
be done, not that Cmd-R has to be invoked and then one can go about
using macros...
Thanks for the help.
This feature is support for bibtex's macros. You're basically supposed
to be familiar with bibtex if you use this feature, otherwise you're
not supposed to be interested in it.
Christiaan
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
If you just want a shortcut then don't use macros, just type "Pri" and
Princeton University Press will show up as an autocomplete.
If you really want macros for some legacy Bibtex reason then you are
working with raw bibtex and {} are more common than not.
--J
On 23 Feb 2009, at 12:37 PM, Nathan Paxton wrote:
>
> On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:58 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
>
>> On 02/23/09 08:49, "Nathan Paxton" wrote:
>>
>>> Publisher = {pup},
>>
>> should be "Publisher = pup" (no quotes).
> Why does BD put the braces in? I simply entered pup and Princeton
> University Press in the applicable blanks in the Macros panel.
>
>>
>>
>>> I just put the "pup" string in the entry window.
>>
>> Open the editor window for this entry, choose the Publisher field,
>> and hit
>> cmd-r. Delete the outer curly braces and tab out of the field. It
>> will
>> then show up in blue.
>>
>> This should be covered in the help on macros. Look for "raw
>> bibtex" or
>> something.
>
> Sort of. There is mention of the use of raw Bibtex in the field if
> one wants to use macros, but it wasn't clear that that was
> necessary. The info sounds like there are several ways that this can
> be done, not that Cmd-R has to be invoked and then one can go about
> using macros...
>
> Thanks for the help.
>
> --
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> Dept. of Government, Harvard University
>
> Resident Tutor
> John Winthrop House, Harvard University
>
> napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu
> http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:58 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
On 02/23/09 08:49, "Nathan Paxton" wrote:
Publisher = {pup},
should be "Publisher = pup" (no quotes).
Why does BD put the braces in? I simply entered pup and Princeton
University Press in the applicable blanks in the Macros panel.
I just put the "pup" string in the entry window.
Open the editor window for this entry, choose the Publisher field,
and hit
cmd-r. Delete the outer curly braces and tab out of the field. It
will
then show up in blue.
This should be covered in the help on macros. Look for "raw bibtex"
or
something.
Sort of. There is mention of the use of raw Bibtex in the field if
one wants to use macros, but it wasn't clear that that was necessary.
The info sounds like there are several ways that this can be done, not
that Cmd-R has to be invoked and then one can go about using macros...
Thanks for the help.
--
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Dept. of Government, Harvard University
Resident Tutor
John Winthrop House, Harvard University
napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 10:58 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
> On 02/23/09 08:49, "Nathan Paxton" wrote:
>
>> Publisher = {pup},
>
> should be "Publisher = pup" (no quotes).
>
>> I just put the "pup" string in the entry window.
>
> Open the editor window for this entry, choose the Publisher field, and hit
> cmd-r. Delete the outer curly braces and tab out of the field. It will
> then show up in blue.
>
> This should be covered in the help on macros. Look for "raw bibtex" or
> something.
Specifically here:
http://bibdesk.sourceforge.net/manual/BibDesk%20Help_23.html#SEC54
there is a screenshot.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On 02/23/09 08:49, "Nathan Paxton" wrote:
> Publisher = {pup},
should be "Publisher = pup" (no quotes).
> I just put the "pup" string in the entry window.
Open the editor window for this entry, choose the Publisher field, and hit
cmd-r. Delete the outer curly braces and tab out of the field. It will
then show up in blue.
This should be covered in the help on macros. Look for "raw bibtex" or
something.
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
Sorry, Adam. I don't quite understand. Here's what is in the entry:
@book{grmek1990a,
Author = {Grmek, Mirko D.},
Booktitle = {History of {AIDS}: emergence and origin of a modern
pandemic},
Date-Added = {2009-02-23 10:52:19 -0500},
Date-Modified = {2009-02-23 11:14:24 -0500},
Publisher = {pup},
Title = {History of {AIDS}: emergence and origin of a modern pandemic},
Translator = {Maulitz, Russell C. and Duffin, Jacalyn},
Year = {1990}}
I just put the "pup" string in the entry window.
Best,
-Nathan
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On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:41 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
On 02/23/09 08:30, "Nathan Paxton" wrote:
I created these in BD using the Database -> Macros feature. I think
I must not
quite understand how the macros work, because when I enter, e.g.,
"pup" in the
publisher field of a book entry, the abbreviation is not expanded
when I run
latex and bibtex. I get "pup" in the reference list instead of my
intended
Princeton University Press.
Make sure you hit cmd-r in the editor window and delete the curly
braces
when entering "pup." If that's not the problem, copy a sample entry
to the
list.
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On 02/23/09 08:30, "Nathan Paxton" wrote: > I created these in BD using the Database -> Macros feature. I think I must not > quite understand how the macros work, because when I enter, e.g., "pup" in the > publisher field of a book entry, the abbreviation is not expanded when I run > latex and bibtex. I get "pup" in the reference list instead of my intended > Princeton University Press. Make sure you hit cmd-r in the editor window and delete the curly braces when entering "pup." If that's not the problem, copy a sample entry to the list. -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
Hi all,
I have a set of macros at the beginning of my database:
@string{cup = {Cambridge University Press}}
@string{pup = {Princeton University Press}}
I created these in BD using the Database -> Macros feature. I think I
must not quite understand how the macros work, because when I enter,
e.g., "pup" in the publisher field of a book entry, the abbreviation
is not expanded when I run latex and bibtex. I get "pup" in the
reference list instead of my intended Princeton University Press.
This behavior occurs no matter which style I use (at least on
plplain, plainnat, and my home-cooked file). What do I need to be
doing to make the macro expand?
Best,
-Nathan
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Re: [Bibdesk-users] 0 publications in web group
I've fixed this for the next nightly. Linking the URL unfortunately won't work anymore. Be aware though that the nightlies have undergone quite extensive rewrites, the French localization won't work and I'm not sure if they'll run on Tiger. But I'd be interested to know how they perform otherwise. Christiaan On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:20 AM, Carlos Hernandez wrote: > Dear all, > I´m using Bibdesk (Version 1.3.20 (1412)). Just today when using > Google Scholar (i have the scholar preferences to show BibTex links) i > realized that Bibdesk seems not to be getting the scholar references > to its import window (or frame) anymore. Should i do something to fix > this? > > Maybe it is a simple question but in the past this feature was working > quite well but today it is not for some reason i don't know. > > I appreciate any advice/hint you could provide. > > Best regards, > > Carlos -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] 0 publications in web group
I can confirm this, it can't find the BibTeX links in the web page. I think this may be due to changes in Google Scholar's html. It seems that they degraded their html from valid modern xhtml to old style html, which makes it significantly harder to parse. That's the problem with web scrapers, they are fragile because there's no standard. Christiaan On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:20 AM, Carlos Hernandez wrote: > Dear all, > I´m using Bibdesk (Version 1.3.20 (1412)). Just today when using > Google Scholar (i have the scholar preferences to show BibTex links) i > realized that Bibdesk seems not to be getting the scholar references > to its import window (or frame) anymore. Should i do something to fix > this? > > Maybe it is a simple question but in the past this feature was working > quite well but today it is not for some reason i don't know. > > I appreciate any advice/hint you could provide. > > Best regards, > > Carlos -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
[Bibdesk-users] 0 publications in web group
Dear all, I´m using Bibdesk (Version 1.3.20 (1412)). Just today when using Google Scholar (i have the scholar preferences to show BibTex links) i realized that Bibdesk seems not to be getting the scholar references to its import window (or frame) anymore. Should i do something to fix this? Maybe it is a simple question but in the past this feature was working quite well but today it is not for some reason i don't know. I appreciate any advice/hint you could provide. Best regards, Carlos -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
