Re: [Bibdesk-users] [EXTERNAL] BibDesk 1.8.4
Blergh. If that’s the case, where can I download 1.8.2, which did work, until I’m ready to go to OS 11? -Nathan Paxton Please excuse misspelling and autocorrect artifacts as this is "Sent from my iPhone" > On Sep 11, 2021, at 05:04, Christiaan Hofman wrote: > > Yes, it really does seem to be a problem with older systems. That makes it > very hard to fix, as I cannot see it myself, and the problem is deep inside > Apple’s very basic code, so that sounds like a system bug. > > Christiaan > >> On 11 Sep 2021, at 03:14, Gilberto C wrote: >> >> I’m not having this problem. Could it be because I’m running it on MacOS Big >> Sur (11.5.2)? >> —G >> >> >>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 6:40 PM, Nathan A. Paxton wrote: >>> >>> I am having the same problem, trying to open 1.8.4. I click, and I get >>> ehet the rainbow beach ball of death. >>> >>> I’ve attached the diagnostic report from the Console; there was no Spin >>> Report. If there is other info you need, I’d be happy to help. >>> >>> -N >>> >>> >>> - >>> Nathan Paxton >>> napax...@gmail.com >>> >>> Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too >>> dark to read. >>> —Mark Twain >>> (It's kind of cramped, too.) >>> >>>> On 10 Sep 2021, at 5:58 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: >>>> >>>> I have uploaded a test version to >>>> <https://bibdesk.sourceforge.io/BibDesk.dmg>. Perhaps you can download it >>>> and test it out, it may do the group table layout a bit more efficiently. >>>> >>>> Christiaan >>>> >>>>> On 10 Sep 2021, at 22:56, Klassen, David R. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> The file I was opening had a lot of unique keywords in all the entries—I >>>>> assume by “groups” you mean those created by that. I opened the .bib >>>>> file in vim, deleted all the keywords lines from every entry, and now it >>>>> opens. It takes, literally, 2 minutes to open (53 entries) and overall >>>>> navigation in the system seems a bit sluggish, but I can see all the >>>>> entries. >>>>> >>>>> While that’s open I tried to open the original version with all the >>>>> keywords still in it and the beachball spins and spins and the MEM and >>>>> CPU ramp up. >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. David R. Klassen, Chair (he/him/his) >>>>> Department of Physics & Astronomy >>>>> Rowan University >>>>> 201 Mullica Hill Road >>>>> Glassboro, NJ 08028 >>>>> >>>>> SCI 130E >>>>> 856-256-4391 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 4:45 PM, Jan David Hauck via Bibdesk-users >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Just standard fonts, but yes, I do have quite a large number of groups. >>>>>> Opening an empty file works just fine, but when I open my default bib >>>>>> file it hangs. >>>>>> >>>>>> Attaching another sample, this time I opened BibDesk with an empty file >>>>>> first, and then tried the default bib file. >>>>>> I’ve waited a couple of minutes now, but it remains unresponsive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, I’m still on an old OS, Mojave, maybe that’s an issue? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sep 10, 2021, at 11:13 AM, Christiaan Hofman >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Or could it be that you are using some non standard font for the group >>>>>>> table? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Christiaan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 10 Sep 2021, at 20:01, Christiaan Hofman wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately not too much. It seems to take a long time to layout the >>>>>>>> group table.I would expect that the systems auto layout would be >>>>>>>> efficient, we’re not doing anything really complicated and expensive >>>>>>>> for this particular view. Do you have a really large number groups? >&g
[Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
Hi all,
I have a set of macros at the beginning of my database:
@string{cup = {Cambridge University Press}}
@string{pup = {Princeton University Press}}
I created these in BD using the Database - Macros feature. I think I
must not quite understand how the macros work, because when I enter,
e.g., pup in the publisher field of a book entry, the abbreviation
is not expanded when I run latex and bibtex. I get pup in the
reference list instead of my intended Princeton University Press.
This behavior occurs no matter which style I use (at least on
plplain, plainnat, and my home-cooked file). What do I need to be
doing to make the macro expand?
Best,
-Nathan
--
Nathan A. Paxton
Ph.D. Candidate
Dept. of Government, Harvard University
Resident Tutor
John Winthrop House, Harvard University
napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton
=
When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a
perpetual state of homesickness.
- Ronald Reagan
The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud.
-Coco Chanel
=
--
Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA
-OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise
-Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation
-Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD
http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___
Bibdesk-users mailing list
Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
Sorry, Adam. I don't quite understand. Here's what is in the entry:
@book{grmek1990a,
Author = {Grmek, Mirko D.},
Booktitle = {History of {AIDS}: emergence and origin of a modern
pandemic},
Date-Added = {2009-02-23 10:52:19 -0500},
Date-Modified = {2009-02-23 11:14:24 -0500},
Publisher = {pup},
Title = {History of {AIDS}: emergence and origin of a modern pandemic},
Translator = {Maulitz, Russell C. and Duffin, Jacalyn},
Year = {1990}}
I just put the pup string in the entry window.
Best,
-Nathan
--
Nathan A. Paxton
Ph.D. Candidate
Dept. of Government, Harvard University
Resident Tutor
John Winthrop House, Harvard University
napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton
If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked,
half the interesting minds in academia would be lost.
- The Economist, 5 Jan 2002
A morning without coffee is like something without something else.
On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:41 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
On 02/23/09 08:30, Nathan Paxton napax...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
I created these in BD using the Database - Macros feature. I think
I must not
quite understand how the macros work, because when I enter, e.g.,
pup in the
publisher field of a book entry, the abbreviation is not expanded
when I run
latex and bibtex. I get pup in the reference list instead of my
intended
Princeton University Press.
Make sure you hit cmd-r in the editor window and delete the curly
braces
when entering pup. If that's not the problem, copy a sample entry
to the
list.
--
Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San
Francisco, CA
-OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the
Enterprise
-Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source
participation
-Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source
code: SFAD
http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H
___
Bibdesk-users mailing list
Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
--
Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA
-OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise
-Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation
-Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD
http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___
Bibdesk-users mailing list
Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
On 23 Feb 2009, at 11:58 AM, Maxwell, Adam R wrote:
On 02/23/09 08:49, Nathan Paxton napax...@fas.harvard.edu wrote:
Publisher = {pup},
should be Publisher = pup (no quotes).
Why does BD put the braces in? I simply entered pup and Princeton
University Press in the applicable blanks in the Macros panel.
I just put the pup string in the entry window.
Open the editor window for this entry, choose the Publisher field,
and hit
cmd-r. Delete the outer curly braces and tab out of the field. It
will
then show up in blue.
This should be covered in the help on macros. Look for raw bibtex
or
something.
Sort of. There is mention of the use of raw Bibtex in the field if
one wants to use macros, but it wasn't clear that that was necessary.
The info sounds like there are several ways that this can be done, not
that Cmd-R has to be invoked and then one can go about using macros...
Thanks for the help.
--
Nathan A. Paxton
Ph.D. Candidate
Dept. of Government, Harvard University
Resident Tutor
John Winthrop House, Harvard University
napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton
=
When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a
perpetual state of homesickness.
- Ronald Reagan
The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud.
-Coco Chanel
=--
Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA
-OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise
-Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation
-Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD
http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___
Bibdesk-users mailing list
Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Question about using macros
This feature is support for bibtex's macros. You're basically supposed to be familiar with bibtex if you use this feature, otherwise you're not supposed to be interested in it. Christiaan Sorry. I hadn't realized that Macros were one of the advanced things I should avoid interest in. I shall try to be less curious from here on. Best, -Nathan -- Open Source Business Conference (OSBC), March 24-25, 2009, San Francisco, CA -OSBC tackles the biggest issue in open source: Open Sourcing the Enterprise -Strategies to boost innovation and cut costs with open source participation -Receive a $600 discount off the registration fee with the source code: SFAD http://p.sf.net/sfu/XcvMzF8H___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Documentation
I'm totally happy to contribute to the Wiki. I'd join the list on a
more continuing basis, but I have to admit that I'm swamped (aren't we
all, I know) in e-mail, and the thought of one more list sends shivers
up and down my body.
I understand that documentation is the last thing our developers want
to do, but to get more people to use the program at its full range of
capacities, it's probably the most important thing one can do. There
will always be people who join/use a feature after the discussion on
it took place, and they'll want to know what/how to do stuff. So, with
script hooks, for example, even the short description that Alex gave
yesterday, combined with a fuller description of what each of the
hooks means (for example, I don't quite get the difference between
will and did in the auto file and cite key pairs of hooks, at
least based on the descriptor in the preference pane) would go a
significant way toward making them less mysterious.
I will start a page in the wiki on script hooks later today.
Best,
-Nathan
--
Nathan A. Paxton
Ph.D. Candidate
Dept. of Government, Harvard University
Resident Tutor
John Winthrop House, Harvard University
napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu
http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a
perpetual state of homesickness.
- Ronald Reagan
The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud.
-Coco Chanel
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
=
On 5 Dec 2008, at 7:38 AM, Alex Hamann wrote:
On 5 Dec 2008, at 7:43 AM, Dan T. Abell wrote:
[Starting this as a new thread]
On 4 Dec 2008, at 16:06, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
...
We have said many times on the list: we developers are not the
ones who should write the Help, because for us everything is
trivial. It should be written by users. So far not many users
have responded.
Ahhh ... THE, THE fundamental challenge of software development.
Write documentation. Rewrite documentation. Deal with complaints.
Re-rewrite documentation.
Read Tufte (The Work of Edward Tufte and Graphics Press).
Put new ideas to use. Raise signal-to-noise ratio on help pages.
Deal with more complaints. Re--re-rewrite documentation.
Read more Tufte.
Get some sleep.
Repeat. ('Twas ever thus!)
So ... a long-time user of BibTeX, but a novice user of BibDesk, I
have been learning BibDesk mostly by trial and error. I find the
help pages frustrating---not because they are poorly written---but
because I feel that I'm constantly drilling down in search of an
answer, then drilling back up to the last branch point, then down
some more, still searching On your opening help page you list
thirteen help topics, each with a brief ( nine word) description.
You also list seven appendices. When opened to display most of
that information, the help page takes up more than a third of my
screen's real estate. The information density seems painfully thin.
Then at the VERY bottom of the page, BELOW the copyright notice, is
the real meat. Driven there by sheer curiosity, I found Contents.
WHAT is that link doing down there? I mean .. WAY down there beyond
the notice of most of us?
As another example: consider your list of help topics. To identify
the description of AutoFile, your eye must span a yawning gap made
more difficult by the tight line separation. An arrangement of the
form shown here
BibDeskDoc.tiff
occupies about the same amount of real estate, but now with clear
associations between topic and description. As a bonus, you now
see that Searching External Databases will tell you about, ummm,
searching external databases. Well, an added advantage of this
format is that now a fuller, more meaningful description will not
harm the association between topic and description. Indeed, a more
complete description here will save a lot of drilling. Add another
column to further increase the resolution of information at this
level. (Sarah Palin may like drilling here and now, but not I.)
My $0.02,
-Dan
On 05.12.2008, at 10:56, Christiaan Hofman wrote:
Remember that BibDesk is an open source project completely driven
by volunteers who put in lots of precious free time. And writing
the Help is really the last thing we like to do. From this
perspective, you should only be happy to have any Help pages.
Christiaan
Also, BD has become quite complex and powerful over the years. I
myself found that the best way to learn more about BD is to monitor
this list, use the nightlies and experiment a bit. I agree that the
Help is not perfect but every attempt to think about how to improve
it just showed me how complex a
Re: [Bibdesk-users] Documentation
Sure. For many users, however, the point about whether a problem is a BD or BT problem is less relevant. They just want to know what has to be done to make it work. If we made it clear that a problem was underlying to BT or the Finder or whatever, when we know, that at least helps the user to know where to go off to look for more help. We could even wikily include a Go ask about this (here) list or at least tell a reader it can't be addressed right now. That's closer to pareto-efficiency than expecting everyone to know what to look up in a search engine, annoying developers, etc. Tufte would tell us that good presentation is as important as content. In this arena, good documentation is (nearly) as important as a good tool, so that one know how the awesome tool can be used most optimally---especially as the tool and the matter acted upon change. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 5 Dec 2008, at 7:38 AM, Alex Hamann wrote: Also, BD has become quite complex and powerful over the years. I myself found that the best way to learn more about BD is to monitor this list, use the nightlies and experiment a bit. I agree that the Help is not perfect but every attempt to think about how to improve it just showed me how complex a comprehensive documentation project would be. Also, we have the Wiki that should provide some more information. One of the problems in documenting is that many often it is not clear to a user whether the problem he runs into are really BibDesk or BibTeX problems. A comprehensive documentation would really be quite an effort. But one way of approaching it would be if people would be willing to contribute to the Wiki. As the Wiki expands it would become an easier job to review all information there and compile from it a BibDesk Help. That way a more experienced user willing to do the Help would also see where new users are coming from and what they are primarily concerned with. A. -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- SF.Net email is Sponsored by MIX09, March 18-20, 2009 in Las Vegas, Nevada. The future of the web can't happen without you. Join us at MIX09 to help pave the way to the Next Web now. Learn more and register at http://ad.doubleclick.net/clk;208669438;13503038;i?http://2009.visitmix.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Okey-dokey. I got this working. SInce I can't post this rev'd bit of script to the wiki, I'll post the text here. And I'll document what it is supposed to do. So maybe it can be found on a search engine search. Begin documentation This is the LocalFileToLocal-UrlScriptHook with the alteration that Christiaan suggested to do the same to the Bibtex entry with remote URLs as is done with local files; that is, it automatically generates a Url field when a website is added to the entry's sidebar (just as it does with local files and generating a Local-Url). To make it work, you must go to the Script Hook preferences, and add it for the value for Add File or URL. (* Use this as a script hook for Did Auto File or Add File or URL. *) -- the format of the Local-Url field property useFileURL : false property useRelativePath : true using terms from application BibDesk on perform BibDesk action with publications thePubs for script hook theScriptHook tell application BibDesk set theField to get field name of theScriptHook as string set theDoc to get document of theScriptHook set theDocDir to my containerPath(get file of theDoc) if theField is Local File then repeat with thePub in thePubs tell thePub if ((count of (get linked files)) 0) then if useFileURL then set thePath to URL of linked file 1 else set thePath to POSIX path of (get linked file 1) if useRelativePath then set thePath to my relativePath(thePath, theDocDir) end if end if set the value of field Local-Url to thePath end if end tell end repeat else if theField is Remote URL then repeat with thePub in thePubs tell thePub if ((count of (get linked URLs)) 0) then set theURL to linked URL 1 set the value of field Url to theURL end if end tell end repeat end if end tell end perform BibDesk action with publications end using terms from on containerPath(theFile) tell application Finder set theContainer to get container of (theFile as alias) return POSIX path of (theContainer as alias) end tell end containerPath on relativePath(fullPath, basePath) set theLength to length of basePath if (length of fullPath theLength) and (text 1 thru theLength of fullPath) = basePath then return text theLength thru end of fullPath else return fullPath end if end relativePath (* end script *) I really did not do much here, except take the suggestion made about remote URLs in an e-mail sometime yesterday and add it to the modified script that C. posted on the wiki. (That is, I copied the lines given in yesterday's e-mail [for the if statement beginning with else if theField is Remote URL... ] and pasted them in what seemed an appropriate spot. This is just an aggregation of different pieces of script floating on the wiki, mailing list, etc.) But this is a more complete/alternate version of the script, if you want both local and remote files to be added to the entry as fields for Bibtex to use in creating a bibliography. End semi-documentation Hope this helps someone else! Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked, half the interesting minds in academia would be lost. - The
[Bibdesk-users] URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Hi all, I've done some searching, but I can't figure out what search terms would work best to narrow all of this down. Here's the problem. I do most of my citation work with natbib, using a chicago bst file. The bst is set up to include URLs of articles, periodicals, and so forth, where they exist, in line with Chicago's style on this sort of thing. So, for example, the front page article of today's New York Times should look like (in Chicago author-date in- text style): Vlasic, Bill. 2008. U.A.W. Makes Concessions to Help Automakers. New York Times, 3 December 2008. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/business/04auto.html (accessed 3 December 2008). But with the deprecation of the URL field in the most recent BibDesk versions, I no longer get the URL and access information. How can I restore the stylistically correct behavior? Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked, half the interesting minds in academia would be lost. - The Economist, 5 Jan 2002 A morning without coffee is like something without something else. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Thanks! I'm not an Applescript genius, so what are teh names of the scripts? Will these make sure than I don't run into this problem each time I update BD? Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 11:25 AM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: You can duplicate the linked files/URLs to fields. Best to do that using AppleScript. I recently posted an applescript on this list that duplicates the linked files and URLs to fields like Local-Url and Url. You can also automate the task (for newly added linked files and URLs) using a script hook. A sample script for this is linked on the Wiki. Christiaan On 4 Dec 2008, at 5:16 PM, Nathan Paxton wrote: Hi all, I've done some searching, but I can't figure out what search terms would work best to narrow all of this down. Here's the problem. I do most of my citation work with natbib, using a chicago bst file. The bst is set up to include URLs of articles, periodicals, and so forth, where they exist, in line with Chicago's style on this sort of thing. So, for example, the front page article of today's New York Times should look like (in Chicago author-date in-text style): Vlasic, Bill. 2008. U.A.W. Makes Concessions to Help Automakers. New York Times, 3 December 2008. http://www.nytimes.com/2008/12/04/business/04auto.html (accessed 3 December 2008). But with the deprecation of the URL field in the most recent BibDesk versions, I no longer get the URL and access information. How can I restore the stylistically correct behavior? Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = If every professor who backed a lunatic politician were to be sacked, half the interesting minds in academia would be lost. - The Economist, 5 Jan 2002 A morning without coffee is like something without something else. = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
Re: [Bibdesk-users] URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Ah, *that's* what the script hooks pref menu is for! I've never understood that. So I simply go to Script Hooks in the preferences, select Add to File or URL (and Did Auto File), and then select LinkedFilesToFields.scpt for the script file? And this will then automagically take the url/ location of the included files (over in the preview sidebar) and put it in URL/file/DOI fields that the script has just created? I would wager that there are other non-beginner users out there who don't quite understand what the script hooks preferences and all are about. How could the BD project go about explaining the script hooks preferences panel, what the hooks are, and so forth? I know there's basic documentation on the wiki, but I can't say that I quite understand what's going on based on that. I'd be happy to help, but since I'm only fuzzily understanding this myself, I'm not good to lead/ start a beefing up of the documentation. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 1:19 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:12 PM, Nathan Paxton wrote: On 4 Dec 2008, at 12:50 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: Use the script after fixing it. The fix was described in the thread where you found it. Open the script in Script Editor, and replace theFile with (theFile as alias) inside the containerPath routine. Done. Also made the changes suggested in the following e-mail: Replace (get linked URL) with (get linked URL i) Christiaan 2. Will I be able to continue having URL/local file fields in my .bib file in the future? Use the script hook from the Wiki. I'm really sorry. I don't understand how scripts, script hooks, and all this works. I guess that all I want to do is be able to have bibliographic entries that follow the Chicago format, and that requires the inclusion of URLs and access dates. (See the next comment also.) I don't know how to do AppleScript, and I don't have time this month to learn, unfortunately. You don't need to learn AppleScript to do this, as the script is already available form the Wiki. Just add it in the Script Hook preferences for Add File and/or Did Auto File. It will automatically be invoked when the corresponding event happens. Christiaan Perhaps we could add a small warning to the conversion process, indicating that allowing the original fields to be deleted will change the behavior of bibliographic output in one's documents? I read the fields are being deprecated language and that made me think that they were not necessary anymore That just depends. Be aware that these are not even standard bibtex fields. *Sigh* So how are these being done now? (I'm using a standard .bst file, just modified with the urlbst macro package from CTAN.) I guess I'm frustrated by doing what I thought had been the right way, only to find out that I was either led astray at some point, or things have changed. What's the way that people get URLs and such into bibliographic references? Any help here would be appreciated; I like tex'ing, but sometimes these changes are confusing. Can anyone suggest a good working chicago-style bst, preferably for natbib? Thanks. Best, -Nathan - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url=/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100url
Re: [Bibdesk-users] *****SPAM***** Re: URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Hmm. This helps. I will try it post-haste, but there does not seem to be an automatic generation of the linked file on my hard drive when I drop the PDF onto the sidebar. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:41 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 5 Dec 2008, at 1:28 AM, Nathan Paxton wrote: Alex (et al.), That was exactly what I needed. I had sort of inferred that something like that might be the case. And Christiaan's clarification that the hook only gets invoked (in this case) upon some action helps also. So, I'd be happy to write some clarification of what each of the hooks do, after I figure that out. Now, I've added the LinkedFilesToFields script to the Add File or URL hook. My understanding is that when I drop a webpage or PDF document into the entry window sidebar, I should get a Url or Local- Url field generated, with the path to the webpage or document in it. Is that it? Because the Url field generation only occurs when I manually run the script on the entry, not automatically upon dropping a weblink onto the sidebar. The script hook on the Wiki only handles linked files, not linked URLs. It's not too hard though to modify the script to also handle remote URLs. Basically, you should copy the if block for Local File, and add a else if block to it for Remote URL. Something like this: ... else if theField is Remote URL then repeat with thePub in thePubs tell thePub if ((count of (get linked URLs)) 0) then set theURL to linked URL 1 set the value of field Url to theURL end if end tell end repeat end if Also note that the script hook only copies the first linked file, while the script from the list copies all linked files or URLs (if there are more than one). Christiaan Thanks for all the help, all. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:06 PM, Alex Hamann wrote: On 04.12.2008, at 22:12, Nathan Paxton wrote: Ah, *that's* what the script hooks pref menu is for! I've never understood that. So I simply go to Script Hooks in the preferences, select Add to File or URL (and Did Auto File), and then select LinkedFilesToFields.scpt for the script file? And this will then automagically take the url/location of the included files (over in the preview sidebar) and put it in URL/file/DOI fields that the script has just created? I would wager that there are other non-beginner users out there who don't quite understand what the script hooks preferences and all are about. How could the BD project go about explaining the script hooks preferences panel, what the hooks are, and so forth? I know there's basic documentation on the wiki, but I can't say that I quite understand what's going on based on that. I'd be happy to help, but since I'm only fuzzily understanding this myself, I'm not good to lead/start a beefing up of the documentation. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton Hi Nathan, I might be too basic here but maybe it helps clarify things. You should be aware of the difference between a script and a script hook. An applescript is a small script file that is being kept in the respective BibDeks scrip folder and that can be invoked
Re: [Bibdesk-users] *****SPAM***** Re: URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Actually, the following was in the script I got: -- convert linked URLs set theCount to count of (get linked URLs) repeat with i from 1 to theCount set theURL to (get linked URL i) set theFieldName to Url if i 1 then set theFieldName to Url- i set the value of field theFieldName to theURL end repeat When I run the script manually, it sets the remote URLs. I'll add the suggestion you had for remote URLs once I can get the automatic action working for local files. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:41 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 5 Dec 2008, at 1:28 AM, Nathan Paxton wrote: Alex (et al.), That was exactly what I needed. I had sort of inferred that something like that might be the case. And Christiaan's clarification that the hook only gets invoked (in this case) upon some action helps also. So, I'd be happy to write some clarification of what each of the hooks do, after I figure that out. Now, I've added the LinkedFilesToFields script to the Add File or URL hook. My understanding is that when I drop a webpage or PDF document into the entry window sidebar, I should get a Url or Local- Url field generated, with the path to the webpage or document in it. Is that it? Because the Url field generation only occurs when I manually run the script on the entry, not automatically upon dropping a weblink onto the sidebar. The script hook on the Wiki only handles linked files, not linked URLs. It's not too hard though to modify the script to also handle remote URLs. Basically, you should copy the if block for Local File, and add a else if block to it for Remote URL. Something like this: ... else if theField is Remote URL then repeat with thePub in thePubs tell thePub if ((count of (get linked URLs)) 0) then set theURL to linked URL 1 set the value of field Url to theURL end if end tell end repeat end if Also note that the script hook only copies the first linked file, while the script from the list copies all linked files or URLs (if there are more than one). Christiaan Thanks for all the help, all. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:06 PM, Alex Hamann wrote: On 04.12.2008, at 22:12, Nathan Paxton wrote: Ah, *that's* what the script hooks pref menu is for! I've never understood that. So I simply go to Script Hooks in the preferences, select Add to File or URL (and Did Auto File), and then select LinkedFilesToFields.scpt for the script file? And this will then automagically take the url/location of the included files (over in the preview sidebar) and put it in URL/file/DOI fields that the script has just created? I would wager that there are other non-beginner users out there who don't quite understand what the script hooks preferences and all are about. How could the BD project go about explaining the script hooks preferences panel, what the hooks are, and so forth? I know there's basic documentation on the wiki, but I can't say that I quite understand what's going on based on that. I'd be happy to help, but since I'm only fuzzily understanding
Re: [Bibdesk-users] *****SPAM***** Re: *****SPAM***** Re: URLs in formatted citations, deprecated fields, and such
Sorry, I should be clearer. This is what happens when you try to work through a headache. The script hook does not generate a local-url field when I drop a file from my hard drive onto the sidebar. When I drop a local file onto the sidebar, I can see no change in the entry (as opposed to when I run the same script manually, when the Local-Url and Url fields are generated immediately). Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:53 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: Huh? It does not generate a file, it only generates a Local-Url field. Christiaan On 5 Dec 2008, at 1:46 AM, Nathan Paxton wrote: Hmm. This helps. I will try it post-haste, but there does not seem to be an automatic generation of the linked file on my hard drive when I drop the PDF onto the sidebar. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:41 PM, Christiaan Hofman wrote: On 5 Dec 2008, at 1:28 AM, Nathan Paxton wrote: Alex (et al.), That was exactly what I needed. I had sort of inferred that something like that might be the case. And Christiaan's clarification that the hook only gets invoked (in this case) upon some action helps also. So, I'd be happy to write some clarification of what each of the hooks do, after I figure that out. Now, I've added the LinkedFilesToFields script to the Add File or URL hook. My understanding is that when I drop a webpage or PDF document into the entry window sidebar, I should get a Url or Local-Url field generated, with the path to the webpage or document in it. Is that it? Because the Url field generation only occurs when I manually run the script on the entry, not automatically upon dropping a weblink onto the sidebar. The script hook on the Wiki only handles linked files, not linked URLs. It's not too hard though to modify the script to also handle remote URLs. Basically, you should copy the if block for Local File, and add a else if block to it for Remote URL. Something like this: ... else if theField is Remote URL then repeat with thePub in thePubs tell thePub if ((count of (get linked URLs)) 0) then set theURL to linked URL 1 set the value of field Url to theURL end if end tell end repeat end if Also note that the script hook only copies the first linked file, while the script from the list copies all linked files or URLs (if there are more than one). Christiaan Thanks for all the help, all. Best, -Nathan -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = === When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = === On 4 Dec 2008, at 7:06 PM, Alex Hamann wrote: On 04.12.2008, at 22:12, Nathan Paxton wrote: Ah, *that's* what the script hooks pref menu is for! I've
Re: [Bibdesk-users] what is bibdesk? at a tangent
We might take a look at http://thedata.org/citation and http:// gking.harvard.edu/files/cite.pdf These try to take a look at linking to the thing itself rather than a location for the thing. -N On 9 Oct 2007, at 11:47 AM, Jason Davies wrote: incidentally, is there an 'accepted' way to link to things like podcasts (yet)? As more and more become legitimate sources (prestigious speakers and stable access), is anyone thinking about how to cite them? In the meantime, does anyone have any sugestions (eg can we get a unique link to use in BibDesk that will open a podcast? I know that you can be taken to a particular podcast on the web, but what about when you have it? just the usual local-file route to open iTunes? can we jump to a particular moment to hear a quote?) I realise the last is very unrealistic (currently) but this is becoming an issue for me in my work (chiefly when i do Education materials). -- --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/ ___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users -- Nathan A. Paxton Ph.D. Candidate Dept. of Government, Harvard University Resident Tutor John Winthrop House, Harvard University napaxton AT fas DOT harvard DOT edu http://www.fas.harvard.edu/~napaxton === When you have to stay eight years away from California, you live in a perpetual state of homesickness. - Ronald Reagan The most courageous act is still to think for yourself. Aloud. -Coco Chanel === - This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Still grepping through log files to find problems? Stop. Now Search log events and configuration files using AJAX and a browser. Download your FREE copy of Splunk now http://get.splunk.com/___ Bibdesk-users mailing list Bibdesk-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bibdesk-users
