Re: Plugins
I'm actually using 0.70beta2 - will your patch work for that Martin? I don't think so... I think you should look at fpanel: http://fbpanel.sourceforge.net/ instead... That should work now that BB is FWNet compatible - haven't tried it, though - I'm still stuck with 0.65... Sorry... // Martin Is it possible to show all open applications on the curretn desktop on the taskbar as opposed to only the currently active one? Sorry for just dumping in at the thread - don't know what version of BB you're referring to :-) But in case it's 0.65, I once created a taskbar-patch for just that: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=716173&group_id=40696&atid=428682 See a screenshot here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=40696&atid=428682&file_id=46910&aid=716173 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Plugins
Hi, Is it possible to show all open applications on the curretn desktop on the taskbar as opposed to only the currently active one? I'm not sure what taskbar you mean. Blackbox doesn't have one. I suspect you mean the toolbar. If so, well, the toolbar wasn't meant for anything more than what it already does. Here's a hopefully useful read about the toolbar: http://blackboxwm.sourceforge.net/index.php?page=BlackboxDocumentation%2FBlackboxToolbar Sorry for just dumping in at the thread - don't know what version of BB you're referring to :-) But in case it's 0.65, I once created a taskbar-patch for just that: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=716173&group_id=40696&atid=428682 See a screenshot here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/download.php?group_id=40696&atid=428682&file_id=46910&aid=716173 Best regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Removing iconify button from windows
Hi there, Where in the source for 0.65 should I look for removing the iconify buttons from windows completely? I'm about to prepare a BB environment for some computer illiterate people and I'd rather do this than explain why apps hide but are still running and how to find the iconify menu. May I suggest patching up with a taskbar patch so that they can see iconified windows and see them running in the taskbar, instead? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=716173&group_id=40696&atid=428682 Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: black box question? (always on top)
Hi, i'm not sure what handles this, but is there a way to make set a window to always on top or something like that? Left click on the background (the root window). And go to your Blackbox Configuration menu and try the different focus models. The answer would be: no! Not for 0.6x, that is... I reckon this will be a part of the comming 0.7x and its netwm implementation. // Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to test wm's??
Hi, I wondered how you test a window manager. How to you code a window manager and test it on the fly. When I code, I usualy use emacs in blackbox to do my coding. But when your are coding a window manager you have to start test it somehow whitout interrupting with the window manager already running... if you understand :-) To make it short: When you hack blackbox how do you do...? I simply start yet another X: $ X -ac :1 $ export DISPLAY=:1 $ xterm & This one will be available on CTRL-ALT-F8... I do this to maintain a perfectly working session on ":0" without the risk of crashing all the others thing I might be doing besides coding... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CVS NetWM problem??
Hi Robert, I just downloaded and compiled the cvs version of blackbox, it compiled and configure perfectly. I am not sure if this is a problem but I am going to mention it anyway, now that it has netwm support I decided to use the gnone-panel, it worked perfectly, until I changed workspaces, the panel doesn't follow the workspace and I think it should, shouldn't it? That behavior is allright for now - the sticky'ness has not been integrated yet... We are all waiting exciting for that... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Forcing Xclients to accept focus
Hi, I am currently having a problem running a remote Solaris Xclient under Blackbox on a linux machine. The problem is that the window the Xclient runs in will never receive focus. After running xprop I found under the "WM_HINTS" section that the client does not "accept input or input focus". twm seems to ignore this and give the window focus anyway. Any suggestions on how to fix this for blackbox? I do not want to change window managers since blackbox is so clean and simple to use. Also I cannot alter the Xclient's code at all. Thanks in advance :) I've created a little "application" that works for me (tested on xclock). All it does is to change the "input"-bit in the WM_HINTS. The window in question is selected with the mouse... You should be able to compile with a command similar to the one below: g++ -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -lXmu changehints.cc -o changehints (Don't mind the app-name... :-) I've put it on the BB-patches page although it is not actually a patch - sorry about that... http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=747362&group_id=40696&atid=428682 Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Blackbox taskbar patch now available
Hi, I've managed to upload the taskbar patch here: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=716173&group_id=40696&atid=428682 Just follow the instructions written there... Regards, Martin E. Nielsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: blackbox-taskbar-patch
Hi Arnau, hi list, i downloaded the file blackbox-taskbar-patch and i have 3 files with the extension *.v3 and *.v6, how i can install this patch for my blackbox, i don't have idea I haven't "released" my patch yet - it'll come today. What you have found is probably the old patch for BB 0.61.2 - I guess - that wont work... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Taskbar patch - creating one
Hi there, I've been fiddling around with the Blackbox 0.65.0 source code because I decided that now I just wanted that "taskbar"-wannabe. The result can be seen in this screenshot: http://www.fys.dtu.dk/~martin/bbtask-shot1.jpg (At the bottom, that is...) What do you see: The list of applications available/present on the current workspace (1). The white rectangle around "Term" indicates that that one has the focus. One can activate/raise any of the apps. by clicking in the "taskbar". Next to the apps. actually visible one the workspace, is the list of iconified apps. Since I know this may annoy some (e.g. Shaleh), this can be toggled "easily" by negating a boolean in the source. Moreover, sticky windows are included, as well. This seems intuitive, but they may actually not belong to the current workspace. Well, this is my first draft - and I reckon that others may be interersted. However, I don't quite know how to create a smooth patch that does the magic on the original BB source code. I guess it's something like "diff -U? old/file.cc new/file.cc", but as stated, I'm not quite sure... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: BB 0.70, netwm, and hpanel?
I am certanly interested to know this, too. Many people like BlackBox for its minimalist approach, but it would be nice to have BB compatible with latest KDE 3.1, so that docking, task minimizing, etc. would work smoothly with KDE apps. most of the spec is implemented. There are several trouble spots though. *) no omnipresent windows (so no support for panels) *) really small windows (7x7) crash blackbox *) no support for desktop windows (so no icons) *) needs more testing of course, until the stability is there again, getting users willng to test is not easy. The minut omnipresence is there, I'm in! Besides the panel-usage, I use it alot! (Maybe slightly less now that Epistrophy can move an app. to any specified desktop by key-binding...) Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
BB 0.70, netwm, and hpanel?
Hi there, How is it going with the netwm implementation in BB 0.70? I just fetched the latest source from CVS, and tried to run the netwm-compatible panel-application (taskbar) "hpanel": http://freshmeat.net/projects/hpanel/?topic_id=55 However, it does not allow me to change the workspace. I guess this is an upcomming "feature", but is there an idea when it will be implemented? Regards, Martin E. Nielsen -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Grabbing a screenshot of a specific workspace?
I was wondering, is a way to grab a screenshot of a specific workspace? E.g. like "import -workspace 1 -window root /tmp/test123.png"... Maybe, I can ask BB to paint the content of same workspace in an image? I thought of creating a pager which had small thumbnail-pictures of the content of the workspaces... This is possible but not how you are thinking. That's why I posed the question... :o) You can easily do: get list of windows on workspace N for window in list: get shot of window thumbnail shot display thumbnail And when I do this, should I grab the 0.70, or would it work any way later? (and is the stickyness working in 0.70, cause then I've got no argument for not changing...) // Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Grabbing a screenshot of a specific workspace?
Hi there, and merry merry christmas, I was wondering, is a way to grab a screenshot of a specific workspace? E.g. like "import -workspace 1 -window root /tmp/test123.png"... Maybe, I can ask BB to paint the content of same workspace in an image? I thought of creating a pager which had small thumbnail-pictures of the content of the workspaces... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: good news and bad news time
Hi there, Good news: I just got a job Congrats! Bad news: I just got a job back in cubicle land that is expected to run 40 - 50 hours a week, writing mostly perl code Oh, great - that sounds, eh, fun?! :o) What this means is my time on the lists and coding will diminish significantly. Brad and I have a plan and we are moving forward with 0.70 so do not worry too much. Well, I thought you were going to have a break after 0.65, anyway; so go ahead - as long as my sticky'ness is in 0.65 I'm happy! (o: Congrats again, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: grow a xterm longer that screen?
Hi there, >>>I take that back, it is X, not blackbox. You are unable to move the >>>mouse further than the screen edge so you are not able to resize/move a >>>window beyond it. >>Hmm, but if I open a window, maximize it and then alt-mouse-drag it to >>the top of the screen I think I should be able to resize the window even >>larger, no? Currently, that's not working. > because then you hit "my height > screen height, stop that". That is the > Blackbox limitation I mentioned earlier. > > If you want this type of behavior setup X to give you a screen bigger than you > can see and scroll around in it. These type of checks help the users do the > right thing and are worth more than letting the small number of people do > weird things. Hmmm, why is more "right" to avoid the users from making a window exactly the size he wants to? I actually miss the feature of being able to make a window wider than the screensize (e.g. when dealing with the line-wrapped output from MySQL). Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making an application stick to another?
Hi again, Ok, I've grapped the code from xprop and I can now select a window... Next, I need to get its events and learn how to write some text inside my new super cool looking window (!). But first of all, I need to figure out how the h*ll I prevent my program from quiting when I reach the end og main :o) All done with that, as well... Although, at the current moment the text has to be entered at the command-line. I think I need to look into how the "Edit current workspace name" routine does it job... And then there's the font-choosing... And the hiding of window-decorations... And etc... :o) But all in all, yesterday evening I finished off the first pre-beta-0.01 version, which I successfully used at work today. >>Where can I actually find some thrilling documentation about >>the different Xlib-classes? E.g. the XEvent class and its >>properties? > this is C friend, no classes (-: Sure, my mistake - I posed the question before I dug into the Xlib-header. Much information is revealed there... > Go to the local used bookstore or place that sells old college texts. The > O'Reilly Xlib books were printed around 1990 and are still the only > definitive text. All of the new books focus on GTK, QT, etc. This is why > writing window managers takes more skill and time -- there are very little > intro docs. Yaeeargh, I was afraid of that... But how about this one: http://capderec.udg.es:81/ebt-bin/nph-dweb/dynaweb/SGI_Developer/XLib_PG/@Generic__BookView I where do I go with addional questions? I hardly think this is the prober place for my stupid and OT-questions... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making an application stick to another?
Hi again, >>Ok, I've grapped the code from xprop and I can now select a >>window... >>Next, I need to get its events and learn how to write some >>text inside my new super cool looking window (!). >>But first of all, I need to figure out how the h*ll I >>prevent my program from quiting when I reach the end og main :o) Ok, now I've prevented the program from quiting; AND it now gets the "ConfigureNotify"-XEvents, as well - so far so good... Where can I actually find some thrilling documentation about the different Xlib-classes? E.g. the XEvent class and its properties? > Checkout the test_code module from blackbox cvs. There are numerous tiny X > programs there. While I would not advocate using their style (they were all > written in 10 - 15 minutes each) the code has some ideas for writing tiny X > apps. And how was it I did that again? :o) I've tried the cvs -d:pserver:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cvsroot/ blackboxwm login command written on the web-page, but cvs just says: Unknown command: `blackboxwm' // Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making an application stick to another?
I was wandering: What would it take to create an application that could be "stuck" to another window? What I mean is that I would like this application's window to e.g. move along if the "mother" window is moved... >>>Look at the xprop code from the XFree86 sources. It works by grabbing >>>the mouse and then determining which window you clicked. Once you know >>>the window you know the window id. With the id in hand you can select >>>events for that window as well as your own. When the window moves, you >>>move. When it hides you hide. >>Sure but where do I actually start? With Qt, or maybe just >>plain XFree86-programming... > I do not know QT at all so I can not comment on easy or hard it would be to > implement this piece of functionality. Ok, I've grapped the code from xprop and I can now select a window... Next, I need to get its events and learn how to write some text inside my new super cool looking window (!). But first of all, I need to figure out how the h*ll I prevent my program from quiting when I reach the end og main :o) Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Making an application stick to another?
Hi, >>I was wandering: What would it take to create an application >>that could be "stuck" to another window? What I mean is that >>I would like this application's window to e.g. move along if >>the "mother" window is moved... >>Is that possible based solely on events from X, or would it >>require an entire redesign of blackbox? > Look at the xprop code from the XFree86 sources. It works by grabbing the > mouse and then determining which window you clicked. Once you know the > window you know the window id. With the id in hand you can select events for > that window as well as your own. When the window moves, you move. When it > hides you hide. Sure but where do I actually start? With Qt, or maybe just plain XFree86-programming... // Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Making an application stick to another?
Hi there, I was wandering: What would it take to create an application that could be "stuck" to another window? What I mean is that I would like this application's window to e.g. move along if the "mother" window is moved... Is that possible based solely on events from X, or would it require an entire redesign of blackbox? I'm want to create a "sticky notes" application where you can attach the notes to other windows... Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackbox in MDK 9
Hi there, >>>According to DistroWatch.com (a really cool site, by the way), Blackbox >>>has been included in every version of Mandrake since 7.0. >>Exactly where did you find that information? > You have to select 'all tracked packages'. Heh heh - extremely weird: those radiobuttons don't show up if you view the page with Opera! :o) That's why I didn't find it! Thanks! // Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Blackbox in MDK 9
Hi there, >>Apparently the new Mandrake 9 includes BlackBox 0.62. Nice. Did the >>earlier versions include it as well? I haven't noticed, maybe they >>didn't find it necessary for it to make it into the announcement like >>it does now at http://pst.mandrakesoft.com/ . > According to DistroWatch.com (a really cool site, by the way), Blackbox > has been included in every version of Mandrake since 7.0. Exactly where did you find that information? When I look at the list for Mandrake, Blackbox doesnt' show up there... (http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mandrake) Regards, Martin -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Handling of iso-latin-chars in bbkeys?
Hi there - long time, no see, =) I was just (read: quite some time ago) noticing that when I have a window with a title containing some of my language-specific characters - from the iso8859-15 charset - the title appears rather "silly" in the popup-window while changing from window to window with bbkeys. In here, the title suddenly show up containing some additional escape sequences for changing the encoding (I guess). See http://nielsen.linux.dk/isoBug.png to see a screenshot of what I mean... Regards, Martin (For Sean: 0.65! Koool stuff! I started out with 0.7 from cvs, but nearly fell down my chair remembering you had taken out the sticky'ness - doesn't seem that sticky to me :o) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] List archives: http://asgardsrealm.net/lurker/splash/index.html Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
