[BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

2007-03-09 Thread Dan Rossi
Well, I am sure you have thought of the following ways to keep grass from 
around the fence, but I'll toss them out anyway.

Railroad ties,
gravel,
cement blocks,
mulch,
How about you lay down a nice unhealthy dose of fuel oil, then a layer of 
black plastic, then the ties / block / mulch / gravel.  I bet it's a while 
before any self respecting blade of grass tries to grow there.

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[BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-13 Thread tunecollector
If Roundup is so good, why do you have to keep using it?  I might use
Roundup in the garden for weed control because I will eventually want to
grow something in that soil.  But for fence borders, grooves in the
sidewalk, and along the house foundation, it is good ol' motor oil, baby.
Nothing grows.  If you don't want to look at that black line you just
poured, kick some dirt on it.  No one will ever know.



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[BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread tunecollector
Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective in
killing the roots.  Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it a
more potent leaf killer.  Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
killing the roots.  Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil.  Pouring boiling water
onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
necessarily kill it.  By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
poisoning your soil by applying it.

I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge of
this.



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

2007-03-09 Thread tunecollector
To emphasize what Dan has said, fuel oil is far more effective than Roundup.
It is the best thing you can do if you are adverse to plutonium.

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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

Well, I am sure you have thought of the following ways to keep grass from 
around the fence, but I'll toss them out anyway.

Railroad ties,
gravel,
cement blocks,
mulch,
How about you lay down a nice unhealthy dose of fuel oil, then a layer of 
black plastic, then the ties / block / mulch / gravel. I bet it's a while 
before any self respecting blade of grass tries to grow there.

-- 
Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

2007-03-09 Thread Donnie Parrett
Get a goat to keep inside the fence with the dog.  You'll not have anymore 
fence grass or weeds!

See ya,
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To emphasize what Dan has said, fuel oil is far more effective than Roundup.
It is the best thing you can do if you are adverse to plutonium.

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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

Well, I am sure you have thought of the following ways to keep grass from
around the fence, but I'll toss them out anyway.

Railroad ties,
gravel,
cement blocks,
mulch,
How about you lay down a nice unhealthy dose of fuel oil, then a layer of
black plastic, then the ties / block / mulch / gravel. I bet it's a while
before any self respecting blade of grass tries to grow there.

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Blue skies.
Dan Rossi
Carnegie Mellon University.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

2007-03-09 Thread Dale Leavens
Dan!

I am surprised you hadn't mentioned planting marijuana along the fence line 
and leave the neighbours take care of it.


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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.


> Well, I am sure you have thought of the following ways to keep grass from
> around the fence, but I'll toss them out anyway.
>
> Railroad ties,
> gravel,
> cement blocks,
> mulch,
> How about you lay down a nice unhealthy dose of fuel oil, then a layer of
> black plastic, then the ties / block / mulch / gravel.  I bet it's a while
> before any self respecting blade of grass tries to grow there.
>
> -- 
> Blue skies.
> Dan Rossi
> Carnegie Mellon University.
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

2007-03-11 Thread Dan Rossi
Dale wrote:

> Dan!
>
> I am surprised you hadn't mentioned planting marijuana along the fence line
> and leave the neighbours take care of it.
>
What neighbors? *GRIN*

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] Fence grass.

2007-03-13 Thread spiro
at one point I started planting neighbors along the fence line, but I ran 
out of energy before I ran out of neighbors. I might start again this 
season, but nothing grows there, I can guarenty that.
(okay, for the humor impared, I was kidding)


On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Dan Rossi wrote:

> Dale wrote:
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>> Dan!
>>
>> I am surprised you hadn't mentioned planting marijuana along the fence line
>> and leave the neighbours take care of it.
>>
> What neighbors? *GRIN*
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-13 Thread Brice Mijares
Personally, I'd be afraid to put diesel gas or any kind of oil on my lawn. 
Some damn environmentalist may call the police and I'd get ticketed for 
contaminating my soil.  Believe me, this can happen in California. 



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RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-13 Thread tunecollector
I wouldn't put it on my lawn either but I do pour it along the fence border.
I live in California too and all my neighbor says is "pour a little more on
my side."

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Personally, I'd be afraid to put diesel gas or any kind of oil on my lawn. 
Some damn environmentalist may call the police and I'd get ticketed for 
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-13 Thread mardal dugal
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tunecollector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  I wouldn't put it on my lawn 
either but I do pour it along the fence border.
I live in California too and all my neighbor says is "pour a little more on
my side."

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Personally, I'd be afraid to put diesel gas or any kind of oil on my lawn. 
Some damn environmentalist may call the police and I'd get ticketed for 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-13 Thread Jennifer Jackson
Ya, that whole destroying the ground water thing.  Some people are so picky.

Jennifer


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  tunecollector <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I wouldn't put it on my lawn either 
but I do pour it along the fence border.
  I live in California too and all my neighbor says is "pour a little more on
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  Personally, I'd be afraid to put diesel gas or any kind of oil on my lawn. 
  Some damn environmentalist may call the police and I'd get ticketed for 
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-13 Thread Jewel Blanch
You don't know what you may want to do in the future.  Maybe plant a privacy 
hedge inside the dividing fence.  If you have permanently poisoned the soil, it 
is: no go Jo.
Repeat spraying  with Roundup every couple of months is no great hassle.
The reason why Roundup and its ilk only last for a short time is that they are 
neutralized as soon as they touch the soil, so it, the soil itself and the life 
that exists under its surface such as worms and dormant seeds is left unharmed.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Dale Leavens
Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't poison 
the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come 
right up following application of Roundup.

To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.

Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off the 
chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the 
soil and migrate to other areas too.

You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush 
some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone will 
die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a 
couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It 
doesn't even have to touch the soil.

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Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective 
> in
> killing the roots.  Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it 
> a
> more potent leaf killer.  Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
> killing the roots.  Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil.  Pouring boiling 
> water
> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
> necessarily kill it.  By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
> poisoning your soil by applying it.
>
> I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge 
> of
> this.
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread tunecollector
It sounds like you own Monsanto stock.  The landfills here which once
charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to add
plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the
compost.  If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar.

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't poison 
the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come 
right up following application of Roundup.

To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.

Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off the

chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the 
soil and migrate to other areas too.

You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush 
some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone will 
die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a 
couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It 
doesn't even have to touch the soil.

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Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective 
> in
> killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it 
> a
> more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
> killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling 
> water
> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
> necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
> poisoning your soil by applying it.
>
> I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge 
> of
> this.
>
>
>
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RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Dan H.
Roundup does not contaminate the soil.

  -Original Message-
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tunecollector
  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


  Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
in
  killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it a
  more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
  killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
  newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling water
  onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
  necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
  poisoning your soil by applying it.

  I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge
of
  this.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Jennifer Jackson
Miracle Grow says that about their fertilizer too.  However, they have just 
started this ad thing where they remind everyone to sweep spilled fertilizer 
off the sidewalk and driveways so it does not contaminate the ground 
water.- Original Message - 

  Jennifer



  From: Dan H. 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:55 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


  Roundup does not contaminate the soil.

  -Original Message-
  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tunecollector
  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

  Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
  in
  killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it a
  more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
  killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
  newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling water
  onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
  necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
  poisoning your soil by applying it.

  I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge
  of
  this.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread spiro
sounds like salt and boiling water would make a good edging, and I may not 
have to keep feeling like impact on the lawn trimmer's cranium is 
necessary.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007, tunecollector wrote:

> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective in
> killing the roots.  Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it a
> more potent leaf killer.  Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
> killing the roots.  Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil.  Pouring boiling water
> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
> necessarily kill it.  By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
> poisoning your soil by applying it.
>
> I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge of
> this.
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>


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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Dale Leavens
Fertilizer is a very different thing. It is intended to persist in the soil. 
Some is prized for it's long term qualities.

The problem with it is that it gets into streams or ponds and becomes easily 
available to algae and other plants which choke out life and oxygen from 
those water ways.

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- Original Message - 
From: "Jennifer Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:32 PM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


> Miracle Grow says that about their fertilizer too.  However, they have 
> just started this ad thing where they remind everyone to sweep spilled 
> fertilizer off the sidewalk and driveways so it does not contaminate the 
> ground water.- Original Message - 
>
>  Jennifer
>
>
>
>  From: Dan H.
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:55 AM
>  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
>
>  Roundup does not contaminate the soil.
>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of tunecollector
>  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
>  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
>  Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
>  in
>  killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it 
> a
>  more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
>  killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
>  newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling 
> water
>  onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
>  necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
>  poisoning your soil by applying it.
>
>  I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge
>  of
>  this.
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Dale Leavens
Why would there be Roundup in compost? Particularly in those quantities and 
further, why would that even be a problem? I spray my fence lines about 
three times a year and although it kills what ever green there is growing 
there it certainly doesn't prevent it from coming back. I don't then harvest 
the stuff for my compost stack it is true but so far the applications have 
not interfered with new growth coming up.

There are pre-emergent herbicides which do persist for some time in the 
soil, I don't have any real knowledge of them but some farmers do use them 
to keep early emerging weeds down before planting certain crops but I don't 
know where or why.

Certain forms of 2 4D which are broad leafed herbicides also persist. They 
have Estrogen like compounds which produce growth and because broad leaves 
absorb more they grow themselves literally to death. Trouble is that these 
may also contribute to certain growth defects including in children. 
Products like Weed & Feed are usually some combination including 2 4D. This 
may be the worry as it is often widely used on lawns and golf courses to 
keep them weed free. I confess I do generally lay down a spray in the 
spring.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


> It sounds like you own Monsanto stock.  The landfills here which once
> charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to 
> add
> plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the
> compost.  If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
> Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't poison
> the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come
> right up following application of Roundup.
>
> To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.
>
> Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off 
> the
>
> chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the
> soil and migrate to other areas too.
>
> You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush
> some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone 
> will
> die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a
> couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It
> doesn't even have to touch the soil.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>
> Skype DaleLeavens
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >
> To:  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
>> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
>> in
>> killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it
>> a
>> more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
>> killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
>> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling
>> water
>> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
>> necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
>> poisoning your soil by applying it.
>>
>> I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge
>> of
>> this.
>>
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>>
>>
>>
>> To listen to the show archives go to link
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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread carl
try spraying the grass comeing threw your fence with dezel i'v heard that'l 
stop it 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Dale Leavens 
  To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


  Why would there be Roundup in compost? Particularly in those quantities and 
  further, why would that even be a problem? I spray my fence lines about 
  three times a year and although it kills what ever green there is growing 
  there it certainly doesn't prevent it from coming back. I don't then harvest 
  the stuff for my compost stack it is true but so far the applications have 
  not interfered with new growth coming up.

  There are pre-emergent herbicides which do persist for some time in the 
  soil, I don't have any real knowledge of them but some farmers do use them 
  to keep early emerging weeds down before planting certain crops but I don't 
  know where or why.

  Certain forms of 2 4D which are broad leafed herbicides also persist. They 
  have Estrogen like compounds which produce growth and because broad leaves 
  absorb more they grow themselves literally to death. Trouble is that these 
  may also contribute to certain growth defects including in children. 
  Products like Weed & Feed are usually some combination including 2 4D. This 
  may be the worry as it is often widely used on lawns and golf courses to 
  keep them weed free. I confess I do generally lay down a spray in the 
  spring.

  Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Skype DaleLeavens
  Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

  - Original Message - 
  From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
  To: 
  Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:46 AM
  Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

  > It sounds like you own Monsanto stock. The landfills here which once
  > charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to 
  > add
  > plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the
  > compost. If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar.
  >
  > -Original Message-
  > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
  > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM
  > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
  > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
  >
  > Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't poison
  > the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come
  > right up following application of Roundup.
  >
  > To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.
  >
  > Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off 
  > the
  >
  > chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the
  > soil and migrate to other areas too.
  >
  > You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush
  > some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone 
  > will
  > die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a
  > couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It
  > doesn't even have to touch the soil.
  >
  > Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
  > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>
  > Skype DaleLeavens
  > Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
  >
  > - Original Message - 
  > From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  > <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >
  > To:  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
  >>
  > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
  > Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
  >
  >> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
  >> in
  >> killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it
  >> a
  >> more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
  >> killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
  >> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling
  >> water
  >> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
  >> necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
  >> poisoning your soil by applying it.
  >>
  >> I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge
  >> of
  >> this.
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >>
  >>
  >>
  >> To listen to the show archives go to link
  >> http://acbradio.org/handyman.html <http://acbradio.org/handyman.html>
  

RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread tunecollector
After you spray a plant with Roundup, what do you suppose happens to the
Roundup?  Do you think it just vanishes off the plant?  Compost is made from
plant matter that has decayed.That decayed plant matter contains the
Roundup.  

-Original Message-
From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:23 PM
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

Why would there be Roundup in compost? Particularly in those quantities and 
further, why would that even be a problem? I spray my fence lines about 
three times a year and although it kills what ever green there is growing 
there it certainly doesn't prevent it from coming back. I don't then harvest

the stuff for my compost stack it is true but so far the applications have 
not interfered with new growth coming up.

There are pre-emergent herbicides which do persist for some time in the 
soil, I don't have any real knowledge of them but some farmers do use them 
to keep early emerging weeds down before planting certain crops but I don't 
know where or why.

Certain forms of 2 4D which are broad leafed herbicides also persist. They 
have Estrogen like compounds which produce growth and because broad leaves 
absorb more they grow themselves literally to death. Trouble is that these 
may also contribute to certain growth defects including in children. 
Products like Weed & Feed are usually some combination including 2 4D. This 
may be the worry as it is often widely used on lawns and golf courses to 
keep them weed free. I confess I do generally lay down a spray in the 
spring.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net> 
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

- Original Message - 
From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >
To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

> It sounds like you own Monsanto stock. The landfills here which once
> charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to 
> add
> plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the
> compost. If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
[mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>

> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
> Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't poison
> the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come
> right up following application of Roundup.
>
> To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.
>
> Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off 
> the
>
> chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the
> soil and migrate to other areas too.
>
> You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush
> some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone 
> will
> die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a
> couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It
> doesn't even have to touch the soil.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>  <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>
> Skype DaleLeavens
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> 
> <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >
> To: mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>  
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
>> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
>> in
>> killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it
>> a
>> more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
>> killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
>> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling
>> water
>> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
>> necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
>&

Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Dale Leavens
What do you think happens to oil, salt, vinegar, bleach, all that stuff?

I don't submit that Roundup disappears , it just doesn't persist in a form 
that kills vegetation. It becomes inert.

Dog urine also kills grass but the salts persist in the environment in 
strong enough concentrations to keep the grass and everything else dead for 
years until either removed or eventually diluted by successive rains. It may 
be that Roundup is environmentally more friendly than piss! It certainly 
behaves that way.


Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.


- Original Message - 
From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 5:30 PM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


> After you spray a plant with Roundup, what do you suppose happens to the
> Roundup?  Do you think it just vanishes off the plant?  Compost is made 
> from
> plant matter that has decayed.That decayed plant matter contains the
> Roundup.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 1:23 PM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
> Why would there be Roundup in compost? Particularly in those quantities 
> and
> further, why would that even be a problem? I spray my fence lines about
> three times a year and although it kills what ever green there is growing
> there it certainly doesn't prevent it from coming back. I don't then 
> harvest
>
> the stuff for my compost stack it is true but so far the applications have
> not interfered with new growth coming up.
>
> There are pre-emergent herbicides which do persist for some time in the
> soil, I don't have any real knowledge of them but some farmers do use them
> to keep early emerging weeds down before planting certain crops but I 
> don't
> know where or why.
>
> Certain forms of 2 4D which are broad leafed herbicides also persist. They
> have Estrogen like compounds which produce growth and because broad leaves
> absorb more they grow themselves literally to death. Trouble is that these
> may also contribute to certain growth defects including in children.
> Products like Weed & Feed are usually some combination including 2 4D. 
> This
> may be the worry as it is often widely used on lawns and golf courses to
> keep them weed free. I confess I do generally lay down a spray in the
> spring.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>
> Skype DaleLeavens
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >
> To:  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:46 AM
> Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
>> It sounds like you own Monsanto stock. The landfills here which once
>> charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to
>> add
>> plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the
>> compost. If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
> [mailto:blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> ]
>> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
>> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM
>> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
>> <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>
>> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>>
>> Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't 
>> poison
>> the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come
>> right up following application of Roundup.
>>
>> To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.
>>
>> Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off
>> the
>>
>> chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the
>> soil and migrate to other areas too.
>>
>> You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush
>> some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone
>> will
>> die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a
>> couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It
>> doesn't even have to touch the so

Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Jewel Blanch
Honestly, I don't give a damn as to whether Monsanto turns a buck this year or 
not, so my remarks on Roundup are not prompted by financial considerations.  
Roundup and other generic brands of its ilk, are herbicides in the true sense 
of the word in that their effects are restricted to vegetative material alone.  
The poison is neutralized upon contact with the soil, so the soil and its fauna 
are left unharmed.

 Jewel

  Original Message - 
From: tunecollector 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 2:30 AM
Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective in
killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it a
more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling water
onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
poisoning your soil by applying it.

I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge of
this.

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Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Jewel Blanch
More and more farmers these days are turning to renewing pastures and planting 
crops with what is known as zero tillage,
I cannot deny that reducing expense is a driving force, but it is also a fact 
that the less exposure the soil has to the compaction caused by heavy machinery 
the better, as such compaction can severely damage soil structure.
In the method known as zero tillage, the green cover is sprayed off with 
Roundup, and then the seed is drilled directly into the soil. 
This method means that the soil and its fauna is left, relatively, undisturbed.

As I said in my earlier post, I don't give a monkey's uncle whether   Monsanto 
makes 5 or 60 dollars profit this year.

Jewel

- Original Message - 
From: Dale Leavens 
To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass


Why would there be Roundup in compost? Particularly in those quantities and 
further, why would that even be a problem? I spray my fence lines about 
three times a year and although it kills what ever green there is growing 
there it certainly doesn't prevent it from coming back. I don't then harvest 
the stuff for my compost stack it is true but so far the applications have 
not interfered with new growth coming up.

There are pre-emergent herbicides which do persist for some time in the 
soil, I don't have any real knowledge of them but some farmers do use them 
to keep early emerging weeds down before planting certain crops but I don't 
know where or why.

Certain forms of 2 4D which are broad leafed herbicides also persist. They 
have Estrogen like compounds which produce growth and because broad leaves 
absorb more they grow themselves literally to death. Trouble is that these 
may also contribute to certain growth defects including in children. 
Products like Weed & Feed are usually some combination including 2 4D. This 
may be the worry as it is often widely used on lawns and golf courses to 
keep them weed free. I confess I do generally lay down a spray in the 
spring.

Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Skype DaleLeavens
Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.

- Original Message - 
From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 11:46 AM
Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

> It sounds like you own Monsanto stock. The landfills here which once
> charged for their compost, now have to give it away, with the proviso to 
> add
> plenty of dirt to the compost because of the presence of Roundup in the
> compost. If you're going to use Roundup, you may as well use vinegar.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Dale Leavens
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:19 AM
> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
> Roundup becomes inert almost immediately on application. It doesn't poison
> the soil. It cannot be used to sterilize soil, seeds germinate and come
> right up following application of Roundup.
>
> To work it must come in contact with green living vegetation.
>
> Salt and oil and other agents, probably not bleach which will bubble off 
> the
>
> chlorine fairly quickly but certainly the other agents do persist in the
> soil and migrate to other areas too.
>
> You can use Roundup directly to selectively kill individual plants. Brush
> some onto a particularly noxious weed among your beauties and it alone 
> will
> die. You might like to put a cotton glove over a rubber glove and wet a
> couple of fingers in Roundup then stroke those plants you want to die. It
> doesn't even have to touch the soil.
>
> Dale Leavens, Cochrane Ontario Canada
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:DLeavens%40puc.net>
> Skype DaleLeavens
> Come and meet Aurora, Nakita and Nanook at our polar bear habitat.
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "tunecollector" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <mailto:tunecollector%40sbcglobal.net> >
> To:  <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>
>>
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 9:30 AM
> Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
>
>> Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
>> in
>> killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it
>> a
>> more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
>> killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
>> newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling
>> water
>> onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
>> necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you ar

Re: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass

2007-03-22 Thread Max Robinson
I used roundup to kill grass in my gravel drive way and around the air 
conditioner.  This spring there is a new crop of pretty green grass around 
the air conditioner, exactly where I don't want it.  More roundup will do it 
in, but the way the grass keeps coming back in places where I have sprayed I 
think Dale is right that it doesn't persist in the soil.  I believe in 
acting green but lets keep our facts straight or we will destroy our 
credibility.

Regards.

Max.  K 4 O D S.

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> Roundup does not contaminate the soil.
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>  Subject: [BlindHandyMan] fence grass
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>
>  Pouring vinegar onto a plant will kill the leaves but it is not effective
> in
>  killing the roots. Adding orange oil extract to the vinegar will make it 
> a
>  more potent leaf killer. Adding salt to the soil is more effective at
>  killing the roots. Smothering the weed under plastic or five sheets of
>  newspaper is effective and does not poison the soil. Pouring boiling 
> water
>  onto a weed will harm the root hairs and the weed will wither but not
>  necessarily kill it. By its very content, Roundup is a poison and you are
>  poisoning your soil by applying it.
>
>  I have been told that bleach is effective but I have no direct knowledge
> of
>  this.
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