Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
Ed, Unfortunately I don'tknow that there is a commercial mixer that is as simple as what we've made here for this exact purpose. What you want can be done with 4 varriable resistors )pots), 4 fixed resistors and the necessary jacks and plugs. This is a "passive' mixer, meaning it has no amplification built in, thus it must work into powered speakers. It will reduce the total max volume you can get from the speakers by a few DB, but this rarely should be a problem. If you have any building experience or have a friend who has, E.G. basic soldering, dreilling holes in a box, and the like, it's very easy to duplicate this device. If interested, let me know and I'll bung up a brief text discription of how it goes together for you. Again, sorry I don't know where you can just buy one. Tom Fowle smith-Kettlewell RERC. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:23:31PM -0400, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really don't > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > lot. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
Hi Edward, If I understand that you are using a set of computer speakers which have volume control, this might just be what you want. It is the Behringer MX-400 and sells for just under $50 U.S. You can check it out at the link below; http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MX400.aspx At 01:23 PM 3/24/2010, you wrote: > > >Hi all, > >I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to >combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played >through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to >use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk >space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a >fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really don't >need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to >perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two >stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable >sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will >serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a >lot. > >Take care, > >Ed Przybylek > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Hi Tom, Thanks for the kind offer but the only thing I've ever accomplished with a soldering pencil is the infliction of tremendous pain followed by severe blistering on three of my most strategic fingers. I do have a couple friends who are very good at soldering but I reserve asking them for any but the most important tasks. I'm sure that what I'm trying to find exists and it's just a matter of finding it. Take care, Ed Przybylek _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fowle Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 2:44 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer Ed, Unfortunately I don'tknow that there is a commercial mixer that is as simple as what we've made here for this exact purpose. What you want can be done with 4 varriable resistors )pots), 4 fixed resistors and the necessary jacks and plugs. This is a "passive' mixer, meaning it has no amplification built in, thus it must work into powered speakers. It will reduce the total max volume you can get from the speakers by a few DB, but this rarely should be a problem. If you have any building experience or have a friend who has, E.G. basic soldering, dreilling holes in a box, and the like, it's very easy to duplicate this device. If interested, let me know and I'll bung up a brief text discription of how it goes together for you. Again, sorry I don't know where you can just buy one. Tom Fowle smith-Kettlewell RERC. On Wed, Mar 24, 2010 at 02:23:31PM -0400, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really don't > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > lot. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
It might just be simpler and less cost to get another set of computer speakers. bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
Hi Kevin, This unit should work very nicely. I haven't been able to find size measurements for the mixer but, from the descriptions, it's quite small. I found several new units on eBay for less than $30. Thanks a lot. Take care Ed Przybylek _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kevin Doucet Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:05 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer Hi Edward, If I understand that you are using a set of computer speakers which have volume control, this might just be what you want. It is the Behringer MX-400 and sells for just under $50 U.S. You can check it out at the link below; http://www.behringe <http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MX400.aspx> r.com/EN/Products/MX400.aspx At 01:23 PM 3/24/2010, you wrote: > > >Hi all, > >I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to >combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played >through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to >use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk >space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a >fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really don't >need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to >perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two >stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable >sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will >serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a >lot. > >Take care, > >Ed Przybylek > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
Hi Bob, Cost is always an important factor but this time available space is the driving factor. My desk is quite large but it's gotten quite full with all manner of manly toys. I think a small mixer will take up less space than two new speakers. A mixer also works well in this case because it lets me use my current computer speakers for both sound cards. They're not professional grade or anything like that but they did put a reasonable dent in my toy budget when I purchased them. Take care, Ed Przybylek _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chiliblindman Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 5:10 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer It might just be simpler and less cost to get another set of computer speakers. bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
You are welcome, Ed. Let us know how it works out. At 12:49 PM 3/25/2010, you wrote: > > >Hi Kevin, > >This unit should work very nicely. I haven't been able to find size >measurements for the mixer but, from the descriptions, it's quite small. I >found several new units on eBay for less than $30. Thanks a lot. > >Take care > >Ed Przybylek > >_ > >From: ><mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] >On Behalf Of Kevin Doucet >Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:05 PM >To: <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com>blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer > >Hi Edward, > >If I understand that you are using a set of >computer speakers which have volume control, this might just be what you >want. > >It is the Behringer MX-400 and sells for just under $50 U.S. > >You can check it out at the link below; > ><http://www.behringe>http://www.behringe ><http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/MX400.aspx> >r.com/EN/Products/MX400.aspx > >At 01:23 PM 3/24/2010, you wrote: > > > > > >Hi all, > > > >I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > >combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > >through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > >use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > >space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > >fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really >don't > >need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > >perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two > >stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > >sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > >serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > >lot. > > > >Take care, > > > >Ed Przybylek > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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in case no one else answered, do you need to mix, or can you just couple? On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really don't > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > lot. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
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It has always been my experience one must mix first. If the mixing is mutually excepted and an enjoyable experience for both then coupling might be the next step. At 08:24 PM 3/26/2010, you wrote: > > >in case no one else answered, >do you need to mix, or can you just couple? > >On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > > fairly simple application that requires > minimal complexity so I really don't > > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two > > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
Hi Spiro, What's the difference between mix and couple. As I said in my earlier post, I simply want to combine the output of two sound cards through a single set of powered computer speakers. If coupling is simply combining the two outputs with some sort of Y-connector, I was advised not to do this. I was told that the output of one card could somehow affect the other card and cause damage to the card. Since both cards are fairly expensive, I'd rather not do anything that might cause me to have to replace one or both cards. Any advice is greatly appreciated. Take care, Ed Przybylek _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Spiro Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:24 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer in case no one else answered, do you need to mix, or can you just couple? On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi all, > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really don't > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine two > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > lot. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
You definitely want to "mix" the signals so they are combined without having the output of one card effect the other. this requires electrical resistance between each output and the input. An actual mixer will do as required but connectors or capacitive coupling will not! Even transformer coupling will not provide the necessary issolation. Tom Fowle On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 04:50:04PM -0400, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi Spiro, > > > > What's the difference between mix and couple. As I said in my earlier post, > I simply want to combine the output of two sound cards through a single set > of powered computer speakers. If coupling is simply combining the two > outputs with some sort of Y-connector, I was advised not to do this. I was > told that the output of one card could somehow affect the other card and > cause damage to the card. Since both cards are fairly expensive, I'd rather > not do anything that might cause me to have to replace one or both cards. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > _ > > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Spiro > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:24 PM > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer > > > > > > in case no one else answered, > do you need to mix, or can you just couple? > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > > fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really > don't > > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine > two > > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
If the manufacturer said it shouldn't be done; then you have that info farther than I. Maybe the output is different than other things. Yes, couple would be when you have a wire and you "y" connect two outputs. I can't imagine the voltage so high that it would hurt the other board, or it would be robust enough to not get damaged. But, there I defer to your knowledge. On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi Spiro, > > > > What's the difference between mix and couple. As I said in my earlier post, > I simply want to combine the output of two sound cards through a single set > of powered computer speakers. If coupling is simply combining the two > outputs with some sort of Y-connector, I was advised not to do this. I was > told that the output of one card could somehow affect the other card and > cause damage to the card. Since both cards are fairly expensive, I'd rather > not do anything that might cause me to have to replace one or both cards. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > _ > > From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Spiro > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:24 PM > To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer > > > > > > in case no one else answered, > do you need to mix, or can you just couple? > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to >> combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played >> through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to >> use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk >> space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a >> fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really > don't >> need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to >> perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine > two >> stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable >> sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will >> serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a >> lot. >> >> >> >> Take care, >> >> Ed Przybylek >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >
Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
You should never connect two outputs together with a Y connector. They will fight with each other and it is possible that both of them will lose. They may be protected against overloads but they may not. Best not to take the chance. You could put together a passive mixer with resistors to protect the outputs from each other but that requires a little bit of soldering. Regards. Max. K 4 O D S. Email: m...@maxsmusicplace.com Transistor site http://www.funwithtransistors.net Vacuum tube site: http://www.funwithtubes.net Music site: http://www.maxsmusicplace.com To subscribe to the fun with transistors group send an email to. funwithtransistors-subscr...@yahoogroups.com To subscribe to the fun with tubes group send an email to, funwithtubes-subscr...@yahoogroups.com - Original Message - From: "Spiro" To: Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 9:08 PM Subject: RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer > If the manufacturer said it shouldn't be done; then you have that info > farther than I. > Maybe the output is different than other things. > Yes, couple would be when you have a wire and you "y" connect two > outputs. > I can't imagine the voltage so high that it would hurt the other board, or > it would be robust enough to not get damaged. > But, there I defer to your knowledge. > > > > > > On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > >> Hi Spiro, >> >> >> >> What's the difference between mix and couple. As I said in my earlier >> post, >> I simply want to combine the output of two sound cards through a single >> set >> of powered computer speakers. If coupling is simply combining the two >> outputs with some sort of Y-connector, I was advised not to do this. I >> was >> told that the output of one card could somehow affect the other card and >> cause damage to the card. Since both cards are fairly expensive, I'd >> rather >> not do anything that might cause me to have to replace one or both cards. >> Any advice is greatly appreciated. >> >> >> >> Take care, >> >> Ed Przybylek >> >> >> >> >> >> _ >> >> From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >> [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] >> On Behalf Of Spiro >> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:24 PM >> To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer >> >> >> >> >> >> in case no one else answered, >> do you need to mix, or can you just couple? >> >> On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> >>> >>> I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to >>> combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played >>> through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to >>> use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk >>> space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is >>> a >>> fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really >> don't >>> need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to >>> perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine >> two >>> stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining >>> reasonable >>> sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that >>> will >>> serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks >>> a >>> lot. >>> >>> >>> >>> Take care, >>> >>> Ed Przybylek >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> >> > > > > > Send any questions regarding list management to: > blindhandyman-ow...@yahoogroups.com > To listen to the show archives go to link > http://www.acbradio.org/pweb/index.php?module=pagemaster&PAGE_user_op=view_page&PAGE_id=33&MMN_position=47:29 > Or > ftp://ftp.acbradio.org/acbradio-archives/handyman/ > > The Pod Cast address for the Blind Handy Man Show is. > http://www.acbradio.org/news/xml/podcast.php?pgm=saturday > > Visit The Blind Handy Man Files Page To Review Contributions From Various > List Members At The Following address: > http://www.jaws-users.com/JAWS/handyman/ > > Visit the archives page at the following address > http://www.mail-archive.com/blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com/ > > If you would like to join the JAWS Users List, then visit the following > address for more information: > http://www.jaws-users.com/ > For a complete list of email commands pertaining to the Blind Handy Man > list just send a blank message to: > blindhandyman-h...@yahoogroups.comyahoo! Groups Links > > > >
RE: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer
Hi Tom, Thanks for the advice. It's exactly what I've been told by a couple other people. Take care, Ed _ From: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandy...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Fowle Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 5:41 PM To: blindhandyman@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer You definitely want to "mix" the signals so they are combined without having the output of one card effect the other. this requires electrical resistance between each output and the input. An actual mixer will do as required but connectors or capacitive coupling will not! Even transformer coupling will not provide the necessary issolation. Tom Fowle On Sat, Mar 27, 2010 at 04:50:04PM -0400, Edward Przybylek wrote: > Hi Spiro, > > > > What's the difference between mix and couple. As I said in my earlier post, > I simply want to combine the output of two sound cards through a single set > of powered computer speakers. If coupling is simply combining the two > outputs with some sort of Y-connector, I was advised not to do this. I was > told that the output of one card could somehow affect the other card and > cause damage to the card. Since both cards are fairly expensive, I'd rather > not do anything that might cause me to have to replace one or both cards. > Any advice is greatly appreciated. > > > > Take care, > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > _ > > From: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com [mailto:blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Spiro > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:24 PM > To: blindhandyman@ <mailto:blindhandyman%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [BlindHandyMan] Audio Mixer > > > > > > in case no one else answered, > do you need to mix, or can you just couple? > > On Wed, 24 Mar 2010, Edward Przybylek wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I currently have two sound cards installed in my computer. I'd like to > > combine the outputs of the two cards so that both cards can be played > > through a single set of speakers. I'm told the best way to do this is to > > use an audio mixer. My problem is that I'm beginning to run out of desk > > space and that's why I'm hoping some really small mixers exist. This is a > > fairly simple application that requires minimal complexity so I really > don't > > need anything like a professional unit or one that has the capability to > > perform any and all audio mixing functions. All I need to do is combine > two > > stereo outputs into a single set of speakers while maintaining reasonable > > sound quality. If anyone knows of a very small and simple mixer that will > > serve this purpose, I would greatly appreciate hearing about it. Thanks a > > lot. > > > > > > > > Take care, > > > > Ed Przybylek > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
