Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hi :) Well the Documentation Team selected a theme that is very similar to a theme used in Xp, like their silver one, because it gives the best contrast and readability. It's fairly clear that it's on gnu&linux tho (imo). http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Production#Sample_screenshots For Marketing and Websites Teams attention-grabbing colours, activity and excitement are crucial. High contrast and readability are very very low on their lists of requirements possibly even opposite to what will work well for them. The 3rd paragraph sets teams against each other (or ignore the SC) rather than encouraging them to do their best in their opposite directions. Branding consistently across the teams is NOT trivial! I don't envy them at all in this. Regards from Tom :) From: Christoph Noack To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 6 August, 2011 13:57:43 Subject: Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots Hi all, Florian - thank you for this follow up :-) Am Samstag, den 06.08.2011, 11:26 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi :) > I thought this issue had been settled with > "It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a >legal > > risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is deemed > low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default ones, > screenshots on Windows are also possible." The missing part, as David pointed out, was that only Windows has been covered. But we have also users (thus: marketing material and documentation) for Mac OS X users. However, there is one tiny thing missing (to me) in Florians draft, so I'd like to tweak it a bit. (I feel free to do so on the sc-discuss list, since I've been originally asked to summarize the status for an earlier meeting). [...] > From: Florian Effenberger [...] > == > Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be > taken > > on Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering > Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for >screenshots > > on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. > == > Does this reflect everyone's wishes? > > What I want to say is: > > 1. The preferred solution for screenshots is to do them with Linux, but any > other operating system is acceptable as well. The original issue (on the different mailing lists) also contained the "what visible desktop environment, what theming" should be used. Defining that is (in my opinion) up to the teams, so I'd like to ask the SC to encourage the community to find a rather consistent appearance. > 2. There is a small legal risk, but we doubt it is of practical relevance. Fully agreed. > Any native speaker who wants to improve the wording, feel free, but please do > not completely change the meaning. :-) The following two items have to be in > that statement. So, only the third paragraph added ... and GNU/Linux instead of Linux. == Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance (e.g. theming) for the screenshots taken on the selected operating system. It is up to the LibreOffice community how to achieve that consistency. == Being also a non-native speaker (English), I'm happy if someone could proofread this as well. Thanks! > I'd like to proceed to voting on the statement soon. Hopefully today :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Caolan, I think we got that covered already in the text... Or am I wrong? Best, Charles. Le 6 août 2011 16:13, "Caolan McNamara" a écrit : > On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 12:47 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: >> The logos that bear the exact mention of >> the software name with the mention "The Document Foundation" are >> reserved for two purposes: >> >> * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash >> screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on >> official materials from the legal entity itself > > hmm... > > a) "Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with > the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and > official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from > software builds compiled by the Document Foundation" > > b) "You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to > the following terms): > > 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified > form. > > "Substantially unmodified" means built from the source code provided by > TDF, possibly with minor modifications including but not limited to: the > enabling or disabling of certain features by default, translations into > other languages, changes required for compatibility with a particular > operating system distribution, the inclusion of bug-fix patches, or the > bundling of additional fonts, templates, artwork and extensions)." > > So does a packager of LibreOffice, like Red Hat, SuSe, Debian, Ubuntu, > etc and so forth who compiles it themselves for their distro, have to > change the splashscreen away from the default one which has "The > Document Foundation" in it. i.e. a or b ? > > C. > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] SC Meeting: Minutes, 2011-08-06
Hi all, the today's meeting was (due to only few attendees, unfortunately) a very short one - here are the meeting minutes: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-08-06 SC members: Voting on the both proposals by Florian (logo/trademark policy, Windows screenshots) shall be done on the sc-discuss mailing list. Meeting Attendees: Please quickly check the meeting minutes (rather a formal request). Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
On Sat, 2011-08-06 at 12:47 +0200, Florian Effenberger wrote: > The logos that bear the exact mention of > the software name with the mention "The Document Foundation" are > reserved for two purposes: > > * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash > screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on > official materials from the legal entity itself hmm... a) "Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation" b) "You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the following terms): 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified form. "Substantially unmodified" means built from the source code provided by TDF, possibly with minor modifications including but not limited to: the enabling or disabling of certain features by default, translations into other languages, changes required for compatibility with a particular operating system distribution, the inclusion of bug-fix patches, or the bundling of additional fonts, templates, artwork and extensions)." So does a packager of LibreOffice, like Red Hat, SuSe, Debian, Ubuntu, etc and so forth who compiles it themselves for their distro, have to change the splashscreen away from the default one which has "The Document Foundation" in it. i.e. a or b ? C. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hi all, Florian - thank you for this follow up :-) Am Samstag, den 06.08.2011, 11:26 +0100 schrieb Tom Davies: > Hi :) > I thought this issue had been settled with > "It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a > legal > risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is deemed > low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default ones, > screenshots on Windows are also possible." The missing part, as David pointed out, was that only Windows has been covered. But we have also users (thus: marketing material and documentation) for Mac OS X users. However, there is one tiny thing missing (to me) in Florians draft, so I'd like to tweak it a bit. (I feel free to do so on the sc-discuss list, since I've been originally asked to summarize the status for an earlier meeting). [...] > From: Florian Effenberger [...] > == > Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be > taken > on Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering > Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for > screenshots > on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. > == > Does this reflect everyone's wishes? > > What I want to say is: > > 1. The preferred solution for screenshots is to do them with Linux, but any > other operating system is acceptable as well. The original issue (on the different mailing lists) also contained the "what visible desktop environment, what theming" should be used. Defining that is (in my opinion) up to the teams, so I'd like to ask the SC to encourage the community to find a rather consistent appearance. > 2. There is a small legal risk, but we doubt it is of practical relevance. Fully agreed. > Any native speaker who wants to improve the wording, feel free, but please do > not completely change the meaning. :-) The following two items have to be in > that statement. So, only the third paragraph added ... and GNU/Linux instead of Linux. == Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance (e.g. theming) for the screenshots taken on the selected operating system. It is up to the LibreOffice community how to achieve that consistency. == Being also a non-native speaker (English), I'm happy if someone could proofread this as well. Thanks! > I'd like to proceed to voting on the statement soon. Hopefully today :-) Cheers, Christoph -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi :) I think the new wording is much clearer. Bullet-points definitely helped imo. The wording seems about as smooth and straight forward as it is likely to get without changing the meanings. It's a LOT less turgid than many simialr things i have read but seems to deal with the legal and Branding issues afaik. Has the marketing or Branding team (or reps here) approved of either this version or the original? Since both have very much the same meanings i think approval of either would be good enough. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 6 August, 2011 11:47:53 Subject: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy Hello, my other task from the last SC calls was to add a note to the trademark policy that helps in understanding when the subline can be used. My proposed change follows: old version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or DVD labels officially stemming from the Document Foundation. You may not use this set of logos but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == new version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. The logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention "The Document Foundation" are reserved for two purposes: * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on official materials from the legal entity itself * the use within the Projects of the Community - like documentation, marketing or website - when the respective work is prepared and coordinated openly and transparently, on the appropriate communication channels, following the Foundation's and Community's principles /Example: A publisher working on a documentation with a few selected community members is not eligible for use of logos with the mention "The Document Foundation", whereas the documentation team itself may freely use it for any project that is coordinated on its mailing lists. You may not use this set of logos for other than the above purposes, but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == Does this make things clear. Shall we embed it, or can we find an easier wording? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hello, my other task from the last SC calls was to add a note to the trademark policy that helps in understanding when the subline can be used. My proposed change follows: old version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. Only the logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention “The Document Foundation” are reserved for the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or DVD labels officially stemming from the Document Foundation. You may not use this set of logos but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == new version: == Proper Form: TDF marks should be used in their exact form, neither abbreviated nor combined with any other word or words. TDF has a set of acceptable logos for general use. If you are not sure where they are please inquire on our lists. The logos that bear the exact mention of the software name with the mention "The Document Foundation" are reserved for two purposes: * the sole and official use of TDF as an entity, for instance on splash screens from software builds compiled by the Document Foundation or on official materials from the legal entity itself * the use within the Projects of the Community - like documentation, marketing or website - when the respective work is prepared and coordinated openly and transparently, on the appropriate communication channels, following the Foundation's and Community's principles /Example: A publisher working on a documentation with a few selected community members is not eligible for use of logos with the mention "The Document Foundation", whereas the documentation team itself may freely use it for any project that is coordinated on its mailing lists. You may not use this set of logos for other than the above purposes, but only the logos bearing the software name without the Document Foundation's mention. == Does this make things clear. Shall we embed it, or can we find an easier wording? Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hi :) I thought this issue had been settled with "It is noted that several members of the SC acknowledge the existence of a legal risk to display screenshots of LibreOffice on Windows, but the risk is deemed low, therefore, while screenshots on GNU/Linux should be the default ones, screenshots on Windows are also possible." The new wording says the same thing in a much more professional and slick way imo. Marketing and Websites need to be able to use a different platform from Documentation due to their outputs having very different aims and lifespans. The new wording allows that. Regards from Tom :) From: Florian Effenberger To: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org Sent: Sat, 6 August, 2011 10:15:21 Subject: [steering-discuss] decision on screenshots Hello, as one of my tasks from the previous SC calls, I promised to come up with a slightly modified statement regarding the use of screenshots. Here it is: == Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be taken on Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. == Does this reflect everyone's wishes? What I want to say is: 1. The preferred solution for screenshots is to do them with Linux, but any other operating system is acceptable as well. 2. There is a small legal risk, but we doubt it is of practical relevance. Any native speaker who wants to improve the wording, feel free, but please do not completely change the meaning. :-) The following two items have to be in that statement. I'd like to proceed to voting on the statement soon. Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] decision on screenshots
Hello, as one of my tasks from the previous SC calls, I promised to come up with a slightly modified statement regarding the use of screenshots. Here it is: == Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably be taken on Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating system. The Steering Committee acknowledges that there is a small legal risk involved for screenshots on non-free operating systems, but the risk is deemed low. == Does this reflect everyone's wishes? What I want to say is: 1. The preferred solution for screenshots is to do them with Linux, but any other operating system is acceptable as well. 2. There is a small legal risk, but we doubt it is of practical relevance. Any native speaker who wants to improve the wording, feel free, but please do not completely change the meaning. :-) The following two items have to be in that statement. I'd like to proceed to voting on the statement soon. Thanks, Florian -- Florian Effenberger Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
