Re: [board-discuss] Seeking approval for server procurement
Hi Thorsten, * I'm not voting, but want to get this right ... Original-Nachricht > Von: Thorsten Behrens > An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org > > TDF has received a generous, targetted donation of $3000 to procure > a rack-mountable server, dedicated for dev-related workloads, e.g. > tinderbox builds. One of our sponsoring companies is offering > for-free hosting, such that this is a one-off spending. This would mean, that 1) TDF gets $3k to by any server that then will be hostet by a sponsor for free 2) TDF gets $3k to by a certain server which is available, and hosted by a sponsor for free If it is 2) the board should at least verify and document, that the server price is reasonable according to current server market condidtions. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson and it's deputy
Hi, so, the board has elected Florian Effenberger as chairman of the board and Thorsten Behrens as his deputy. we had 6 out of 7 board members voting (making a quorum). Each of the nominees got 5 votes (as Florian and Thorsten abstained to vote on their own seat). To support the decision we also received 2 supporting votes from deputies. See http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/threads.html#02188 I'll update the website accordingly. Congratulations to Florian and Thorsten ;) regards, André Original-Nachricht > Datum: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:55:51 +0100 > Von: "André Schnabel" > An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Betreff: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson and it\'s deputy > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Dear Board members, > > according to the current draft of the foundation's legal statutes (as > proposed to the German authorities), the foundation's board shall elect > a chairperson and the chairperson's deputy among the board's members. > > In short - these will be the primary legal representatives of the > foundation. While having no special power, legal contracts need to be > signed by one of the board members together with either the chairperson > or it's deputy. ( Beyond that, the board can decide to give procuration > to individual board members.) > > As we are going to file the papers really soon, I'd ask the board > members to elect > > Florian Effenberger as chairman of the board > and >Thorsten Behrens as his deputy. > > During the board elections Florian and Thorsten were the candidates who > reached the highest vote rank. Florian is for sure one of our most > active members doing great work in marketing, is coordinating our admin > team and did lots of preparations for the legal setup of the foundation. > Thorsten is well known and accepted among developers (and not only there > ;) ), and also helped a lot preparing the legal setup of the foundation. > > I think, my suggestions in the interest of the board members and all our > TDF members. > (If not, time to object is right now ;) ) > > > Thanks and regards, > > André > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- > Version: GnuPG v2.0.17 (MingW32) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO1823AAoJED/K41EyZ3hDhU8IAJgIe70Ibg9bz7bLdXNmQbI9 > kms99OOtBlflE2bgzfBA2fnnzlX5htE+EL0+7iK5/hAVOj741woDr59iDuFZrCF2 > LyIYjN0EUVbCTilrS5NcvIyatQRCIQBeEFEvj2OohKNJ/J1UsU2g7lV2knAkr3yx > m+EfG5aXvtKIJl586ZeLACXeefKc0f8LDk6NmZwmL2+svwZXbhBPNPoWenXD1gTm > JAAgmcg8xmN9AbladBgQ07KkovNj92l4mjWxaSceAirQAnuDxP6xsABdwMISIwYa > 5lpmX9HeZNtvDB1qjVOiNnljqfXZCXC/FMfrmD4YV1vDalM6mvNQfx6Ut9dfsco= > =uzos > -END PGP SIGNATURE- > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and "actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity"
Hi Lionel, Original-Nachricht > Von: Lionel Elie Mamane > I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm confused. It says > "These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and governance of > The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...)". Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some cunfusing points. We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few (hopefully two) weeks. > > But then they go on doing exactly that. For example, they explain how > the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The board of directors > is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law / state / courts > that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in accordance to the > goals of the foundation. The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view, when we did not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will follow. So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans structure, it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes. > > > So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak about the "actual > structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal > entity": they speak about the composition of the BoD, and the BoD is > part of the structure of the foundation as a legal entity, and by law > the BoD must be involved in the "governance of the foundation as a > legal entity". Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure, BoD is one of the perfect (99%) matches. > > > Other examples: > > * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of representing the Foundation. This is something we need to change, if the foundation will be approved by German authorities. As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors) represents the Foundation. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies of the board (and MC)
Hi, so I have still no updates - only more names to put on the website :) Simon, Drew, Norbert, can you provide a short bio for the website? (use https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ as reference) @website team: A brief review of my changes at the foundation website would be welcome. Changes are visible on the staging site. Thanks and regards, André > - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - > Von: Andre Schnabel > Gesendet: 07.11.11 15:22 Uhr > An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, Bjoern Michaelsen, Fridrich Strba > Betreff: Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies > aof the board (and MC) > > Hi, > > so far I got a reply only from Andreas - still missing short bios for > Björn and Fridrich. > > > I'd like to publish the new pages (current board and MC) this week. > So - as long as I don't get updates it will go online with "nothing here > yet". > > > regards, > > André > > > ---- Original-Nachricht > > Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:49:25 +0100 > > Von: "Andre Schnabel" > > An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, > > tdf-members...@lists.documentfoundation.org > > Betreff: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies > > aof the board (and MC) > > > Hi, > > > > as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), > > I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture > > as well as some short introduction. > > > > Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/ > > for examples. > > > > We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to > > create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich. > > > > Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use > > our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something > > more appropriate :) > > > > All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if > > you want me to change the information. > > > > Please send this all to me directly. > > > > > > Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of > > inital SC and founding members) to a "history" page, so all the > > information there will be kept. > > > > regards, > > > > André > > > > -- > > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > > board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > > Problems? > > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > > List archive: > > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > > deleted > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] [RESULT] New Membership Committee voted by the board
Hi Thorsten, * > Datum: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:08:21 +0100 > Von: Thorsten Behrens > > the TDF board of directors has now formally approved the following > individuals as members of the new Membership committee: > > * Andre Schnabel > * Fridrich Strba > * Norbert Thiebaud > * Simon Phipps > * Sophie Gautier > > and the following individuals as their deputies: > > * Cor Nouws > * Drew Jensen > > We would like to ask all successful candidates to formally accept > their vote, by replying to this email. I do accept that vote and am looking forward to working with the other established and new memers of the MC. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof the board (and MC)
Hi, so far I got a reply only from Andreas - still missing short bios for Björn and Fridrich. I'd like to publish the new pages (current board and MC) this week. So - as long as I don't get updates it will go online with "nothing here yet". regards, André Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:49:25 +0100 > Von: "Andre Schnabel" > An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, > tdf-members...@lists.documentfoundation.org > Betreff: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof > the board (and MC) > Hi, > > as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), > I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture > as well as some short introduction. > > Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/ > for examples. > > We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to > create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich. > > Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use > our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something > more appropriate :) > > All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if > you want me to change the information. > > Please send this all to me directly. > > > Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of > inital SC and founding members) to a "history" page, so all the > information there will be kept. > > regards, > > André > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof the board (and MC)
Hi, as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture as well as some short introduction. Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/ for examples. We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich. Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something more appropriate :) All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if you want me to change the information. Please send this all to me directly. Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of inital SC and founding members) to a "history" page, so all the information there will be kept. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to board-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vote for MC elections
Hi, > Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:30:27 +0100 > Von: Florian Effenberger > > The statutes in their current draft foresee 1. deputies are not attached > to one specific seat holder 2. and the number of seat holders must be odd. > > You proposed Norbert and Simon as members/deputies, but André also > wrote, you want to have a 5+2 setup. For that, one more seat holder is > missing. Do you want to propose someone, or shall the BoD come up with > someone? Or do you want to have a 3+3 setup? No, we'd prefere a 5+2 setup. It is up to the BoD to appoint the new members / deputies (if we do not go for elections). We as the MC would suggest that Simon and Norbert would be considered for such position. We had a brief discussion, if we can suggest a third name as well. We had some ideas but no strong preferences, so we would leave it to the BoD. Btw. I don't want to give the impression that the BoD needs to follow our suggestion. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Thorsten's stepdown
Hi, > Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:17:57 +0100 > Von: Florian Effenberger > > Thorsten has unsubscribed from the internal MC mailing list. I assume > this means his stepdown is effective immediately (which makes sense, > since he is already officially in the BoD). I have therefore adjusted > the wiki page at > https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee > > In case there are objections to this, please let me know. No, this is correct. Thorsten joined us in our last meeting just to say thanks and goodbye. So at this point - let me thank Thorsten for all the work at the MC and especially setting up the election tooling and website. As we are going to have new MC members elected or appointed soon, I'd say is is ok for the remaining members to continue business with just four people for a couple of weeks. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Reminder to come to a decision (was: Preparing elections for the membership committee)
Dear board members, this is a friendly reminder that we need a desion if we will start the MC election process right now or if we postpone this to next year. The proposed schedule for the election process starts at the 4th of Nov. with the announcement of the elections, so there should be a decision by tomorrow. best regards, André Original-Nachricht > Datum: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:44:47 +0100 > Von: "André Schnabel" > An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership > committee > Hi, > > Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud: > > Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the > > first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since > > it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat > > separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues. > > Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten > and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months. > > regards, > > André > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership committee
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 17:29:34 -0500 > Von: Norbert Thiebaud > 2011/10/26 André Schnabel : > > > > We had some discussion, if we should freeze again the membership > process. > > BoD should decide on that (I personally would not like to have again > some > > weeks where we do not accept new members, at the other hand it might be > easy > > to challenge the vote, if we don't freeze.) > > 'Freezing' the membership does not necessarily means stop processing > applications, but just that the list of eligible member for the > election is 'frozen' at that date. That's what I meant with "take a snapshot". For the BoD elections we agreed to not process membership applications from start of nomination period until end of elections. Means, MC will start to accept new members next monday again. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] renaming this list
Hi, > Von: Friedrich Strohmaier > Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] renaming this list > > > My proposal would either be: > > > 1. core-discuss@tdf > > 2. board-discuss@tdf > > 3. bod-discuss > > "bod" has kind of brand at least in my perception and is less generic > than board. +1 I'm still working on the translation of the statutes (sorry for the delay). While "board" is a correct term, we will also have an "advisory board" and "board of trustees". So "board of directors" or bod should be used to identifiy clearly, what we are speaking about. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reimbursement for LinuxCon Europe
Hi Italo, Original-Nachricht > Datum: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:08:57 +0200 > Von: Italo Vignoli > An: TDF Steering Discuss > Betreff: [steering-discuss] Reimbursement for LinuxCon Europe > I have already asked for reimbursement of expenses that I will incur for > representing TDF at LinuxCon Europe in Prague, but as I have found a > better combination I am reposting the request with the updated budget: > > EasyJet flight: 90 euro > Hotel Bella in Prague: 136 euro > Parking and transfers: 54 euro > TOTAL: 280 euro > > I therefore ask other Steering Committee members to approve this > expense, as I would like to apply for reimbursement @ SPI as soon as > possible. +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@
Hi David, * > Von: David Nelson > > I perfectly understand your point. > > It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC > members and then people jump in with "friendly and encouraging > comments", because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously. > > Maybe label vote threads as "SC VOTE:"? > > Then people should definitely refrain from jumping-in on those threads. I doubt that people would refrain - obviously some people (at least one person) can not resist to countiously discuss here at the list, even if asked to move the topic to other list (because *there* are the right people for discussion). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Certification of end-user skills
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: "Charles-H. Schulz" > > While I do not know how well TDF certification fits with respect to your > project (I suspect there's some overlap but there are also lots of > differences in terms of audience and purpose) I think it would be a good > idea for you to use the LibreOffice logo , as it can only benefit TDF, > LibreOffice and your company. My only conditions would of course be no > exclusivity (i.e the respective parties are not tied in any sort of > exclusive agreement) and that it does not preclude any future > certification of our own. I second that. Just to add: the LibreOffice-Logo without TDF tag line should be used. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vote: decision on screenshots
Hi, > Datum: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 21:56:11 +0200 > Von: Florian Effenberger > > "Screenshots for documentation, website and marketing should preferably > be taken on GNU/Linux, but may also be taken on any other operating > system. > > The Steering Committee recommends a consistent visual appearance (e.g. > theming and branding) for the screenshots taken on the selected > operating system. It is up to the LibreOffice community how to achieve > that consistency." +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-17 12:48: > > I think that counts as 6 votes with none against, so it's "nem con" or > > something. The votes from deputies doesn't count if the people they > are > > deputies for have voted. Not that it makes much difference since it's > still a > > strong majority with none against. > > I think so, too - but André planned the page, so maybe he has some > insight on how to have the wording ;) well .. this has not so much to do with the "page design" ;) But I agree to count 6 votes (rather 7 as Olivier also approved). We can list two positive deputy votes not counting for the decision. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > For the process of filing, it is highly advisable to have a lawyer > assisting us and acting as official point of contact. Not only will some > legal topics come up, but also being represented by a lawyer greatly > helps in being perceived as serious entity by the authorities. > ... > > In order to have legal advice for the process, which might take a few > weeks, I'd like to ask the steering committee to approve a sum of > 3.000,- € in total. +1 regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, > Von: Charles-H. Schulz > > I'd +1 Thorsten's short summary, but does it work with Debian rules? yes - it daoes, bacuse ... > Le 10 août 2011 14:34, "Thorsten Behrens" a > écrit : > > > > The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo > > website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not > > permitted, unless permission explicitely granted. Debian can just use the LibreOffice logo (without TDF tagline), as they build from source without major modifications. Again - the only problem i see is that the "TDF-tagged" Logo is the default. And - we already have two logos, so there is no additional effort in "creating and maintaining a second logo". regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy
Hi, > Von: "Charles-H. Schulz" > > Hmm, if that confuses you, it will confuse otgers. I htink, what is confusing here is that ... > Le 8 août 2011 11:50, "Caolan McNamara" a écrit : > > > > I'm not super-attached to the TDF tagline for distro/personal builds, > > but I am attached to using the default logos, whichever they are, for > > distro/personal builds. ... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should be used for "instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document Foundation". Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed via TDF resources. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > Gesendet: 29.07.11 18:24 Uhr > Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06: > > Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get > > it:-) > > Thanks for the clarification > > actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, > as this would be fair. No - this would be absolutely chaotic. Imagine if every now and then a team comes around, doing some event and then *afterwards* asks for reimbursement, because "this would be fair". sorry, clear: no from my side. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > In total, when we want to pay everyone their hotels, and their travel, > we would end up with about 1.600 € in total, so 600 € more than > initially planned. I have to formally ask the German association's board > of directors for approval, but since I intend to use the TDF bank > account for payments, I wanted to check with the SC first if you would > support such a request or not. +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Reminder: SC call tomorrow, 1600 UTC
Hi, it's very likely that I'm not available (long evening at the office :( ). Cor, can you stand in? regards, André > - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - > Von: Florian Effenberger > Gesendet: 26.07.11 12:38 Uhr > An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Betreff: [steering-discuss] Reminder: SC call tomorrow, 1600 UTC > > Hello, > > this is just a short reminder that tomorrow, Wednesday, there will be > the next steering committee conference call, at 1600 UTC. > > As I am away in the evening, I will *not* be able to join the call, so > someone from the steering committee needs to open and manage the room. > > Normally, you just dial-in with the secret PIN you all should have, and > then press "3" for "everyone can speak" when being asked by the system. > Just in case, here is a Google translate of the instructions: > > http://translate.google.de/translate?hl=de&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.talkyoo.net%2Fmain%2Ftelefonkonferenz_funktionen > > Particularly of interest should be *7 and *9. In case the room is locked > accidentially, or nobody can speak, this could be the solution. > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Problems? > http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[steering-discuss] Please approve Simon Phipps as election secretary
Hi, this was briefly discussed in our last SC-Call and in the following MC-meeting. To ease the work of the current MC and help with the BoD elections (help with communication, organization and overseeing the election process), we would like to name Simon Phipps as election secretary for our next BoD elections. MC will still be responsible to prepare and oversee the elections, but Simon will do most of the communication on the topic. So I'd ask each SC member / deputy to approve this proposal. My vote is +1 regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots in TDF materials
Hi, -1 as this was not what we discussed in the call. This is missing the recommendation to use Linux screenshots (as we acknoledged, that there might be a very low risk otherwise). André > - Ursprüngliche Nachricht - > Von: Olivier Hallot > Gesendet: 19.07.11 11:55 Uhr > An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] Call for SC-vote: Using (Windows) Screnshots > in TDF materials > > HI Florian > > And my vote is +1 > > Regards > > Em 19-07-2011 05:57, Florian Effenberger escreveu: > > Hello, > > > > David Nelson wrote on 2011-07-18 20.04: > >> May I put it to the SC that it would be better in the motion was > >> "Screenshots for documentation, web graphics and marketing materials > >> for LibreOffice and TDF may be taken on any computing platform, > >> notably Linux, but also Windows, Macintosh and other operating systems > >> and graphical user interfaces." > > > > Olivier, would this also comfort you, is this in the direction you > > were thinking? > > > > Florian > > > > -- > Olivier Hallot > Founder, Steering Commitee Member - The Document Foundation > Voicing the enterprise needs > LibreOffice translation leader for Brazilian Portuguese > +55-21-8822-8812 > > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Re: screen-shots Documentation Team
Hi, don't know if I can make today's SC meeting in time, therefore some comments via mail ... > Von: Christoph Noack > > History: > * The German community did some investigation during OOo times and > decided to stick with non-Windows screenshots due the (to their > opinion) unclear legal situation I tried to get some answers at that time with the result that there was no better answer than we already know (means: there is a risk but only after taken to court you will know if the risk is real or not.) > * The documentation team provides a guide [1] how to make > screenshots (e.g. theme settings, changes of LibreOffice view > settings). They once developed a theme that resembles WinXP on > Linux. I see no good reason to have a SC-vote for something that can and should be discussed within a team. I'd like to see self-organizing teams and community wherever possible. ... > > My recommendation to the SC: > * decide whether Microsoft Windows / Mac OS X screenshots can > generally be used but be carefull to have this as recommendation. This should be not mis-used to overrule or prevent any consensus deciosn of a tema. > * if yes, please guide who might be legally responsible if such > screenshots are made and published via e.g. the (international) > website(s), in TDF branded documentation, by individuals (I > assume these questions will pop up regularly) IANAL - but this is how I see things. Each contributor responsible for her contributions. But when speaking about collaborative work (like full documentaion etc.) The publisher becomes liable - for all documents that we (TFD) accept as official we are liable. So if we see real legal problems the TDF BoD *must* be aware and take a decision. Note for SC and future BoD - members: If there is an obvious breach of law and the BoD did not prevent this (or even accepted this with a formal decision) the BoD members will become personally liable. This is a restiriction in German law to prevent that BoD can act willfull or gross negligent with negative effects for the foundation. Florian is preparing more information on this and will blog soon. Anyway - I personally se no obvious breach of law here, but we should keep this in mind. So my summary for today's decision would be: - recommendation is to use screenshots taken on FLOSS operating systems. But this should not prevent a team to take screenshots on Windows or Mac (or iOS or WbOS or whatever) if this is usefull for the team's purpose. - The respective teams should be free in their decision what kind of screenshots are best for their purposes. We encourace consistency among the work we all produce, but this should not be misunderstood as a strict rule to never ever do screenshots with differend themes or from other OS if needed. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Request for changes of Membership Committee
Hi Michael, > Von: Michael Meeks > > On Mon, 2011-07-11 at 19:56 +0200, André Schnabel wrote: > > 1. approve all current deputies of the MC plus David Emmerich Jourdain > > (who volunteered as deputiy but has not yet been approved) as full MC > > members. (so the MC will have 6 members in total - curent deputies and > > David of courrse need to agree on this ) > > In principle I have no problem with the idea, of course I'd like to > ensure the ethos of hard contribution is not watered down and the > membership greatly expanded; so - any chance of a list of the current > deputies ? http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee > I'd also like to ensure that we have more core, and/or code > contributors in there - or perhaps I'm missing something. My primary goal is to have people at the MC who attent meetings so that we get a quorum, and fullfill the duties given to them. But the decision at hand is to the SC ;) For the moment we need a solution to keep the MC in function. But as discussed in last SC meeting we need to change the MC setup anyway - it needs to be elected by TDF members. These elections should be done not to far after BoD elections and I'm looking forward to lots of applications. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Having fixed-time calls
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > What I could imagine is keeping our alternating scheme, i.e. one call > Monday to Thursday, and the following week it is Friday to Sunday. > > In addition, looking at European time zones, I propose we have the calls > during the week between 18 and 20 UTC+2 (=German time, i.e. 16 to 18 > UTC). At the weekends, I propose to have it during the day. > > Does that make sense? At least to me ;) > > I am still not convinced, and would prefer voting per week, but as I > have been asked, I'd love to share. Well ... a fixed date takes me ~1 Minute (per year) to put it my calendar. Voting per week takes ~5 Minutes per week. So for me it's quite simple to favour regular meetings ;) regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Vendor string usage in third-party packages of LibreOffice
Hi, just some comments, far from final decision ;) > Von: Francois Tigeot > > This is an extract of the TradeMark_Policy web page: > > You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the > following terms): > > 1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified > form. Please note the wording "refer to the LibreOffice software". So this chapter is meant for the software itself, not necessarily the vendor of the software. There is another paragraph in the policy: > Non Permitted Use > > You may not use the marks in the following ways: > > 1. In any way likely to cause confusion as to the identity of TDF, the > origin of its software, or the software's license; So in your case, there might be confusion what the "origin of the sofware" is - you are the vendor, but you are not "TDF". Therefore: It is absolutely ok to use the "LibreOffice" trademark, but it is questionable to use "The Document Foundation" trademark. If I understand it correctly, the way of building and distributing the pkgsrc version is very different from what we do within our project framework. So the way the vendors act are very different and this should be reflected in the vendor string. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] poll for call in calendar week 15
Hi, I won't be available at the weekend, so hopefully Leif can step in. Original-Nachricht > Datum: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:23:42 +0200 > Von: Florian Effenberger > An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > Betreff: [steering-discuss] poll for call in calendar week 15 > Hello, > > as discussed before, the next SC call will take place on a weekend. > Here's the poll for calendar week 15, and I'd like to especially ask the > deputies to step in when the member her/himself cannot attend: > > http://www.doodle.com/4egipf2887nmw4us > > Florian > > -- > Florian Effenberger > Steering Committee and Founding Member of The Document Foundation > Tel: +49 8341 99660880 | Mobile: +49 151 14424108 > Skype: floeff | Twitter/Identi.ca: @floeff > > -- > Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to > steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org > Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette > List archive: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ > All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be > deleted > -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Confused by our Trademark Policy ...
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: "Charles-H. Schulz" > > So I have replaced trademarks by marks, as well as modified the text > according to some of your corrections above (not all of them). I'd like > to call for a vote (the final one) starting now until Tuesday at noon > Foundation time. +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Formal vote on an online component for LibreOffice as a strategic option
Hi, > Von: sophie > > > > (sorry, spent the last two day answering the question "What is > > different (to OOo)" and > > "Why did you do this (LobO/TDF)" about 1000times (at least it felt > > like that) :) > Ho, so you know what kind of T-shirt we should produce next time: > 'What is different' on the front side and the 'Why did you do this' on > the back ;) No no ... Jacqueline and me did a presentation on Saturday that covered all those question. As soon as the video recording is available we can invest in some MeBots [1], programm them with some question-to-time-index relation and let them handle the booth :) http://robotic.media.mit.edu/projects/robots/mebot/overview/overview.html -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > how about doing one during the week, and the other during weekends? That > could serve both wishes, as I and some others try to keep their weekends > free. :-) +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] formal vote on Cor Nouws as deputy in the membership committee
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > To start work on the membership committee soon, all of its committee > members are needed. It is possible, however, that Sophie might be > unavailable for some time. To avoid the membership committee being > unable to work during this time, Cor Nouws should serve as her deputy, > taking over her responsibility during her time of absence. +1 André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday
Hi, Original-Nachricht > Von: Florian Effenberger > > the next Steering Committee phone conference call will be > > tomorrow, Wednesday, March 16th > 1800 UTC Still at the office and not sure if I can make it in time. So short update on MC: We are waiting for the TDF website to be migrated to Silverstripe (at least Christian, Christoph, Florian are working on this). As soon as this has been done, we will implement a application form (protoype already exists). After this has been deone, we can really start the process. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] libreoffice.org e-mail accounts
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > I never heard about it, and I doubt that it is even available for simple > e-mail forwarders. We will not *store* user's e-mails, but rather > *forward* them to their real account. So, at least mid-term, for the > @libreoffice.org forwarding service, I doubt webfinger will be > important. I we plan to have something like an hosted or cloud solution, > it might get important later on. :-) As long as we do not have the foundation in legal terms, we should be very carefull in partnering with external parties when it comes to storing data. German law is very strict when it comes to storing private data (there has been some discussions that even storing IP addresses might be considered as private date, as it can be used to identify a person). So - mail forwarding should be ok (there should be a written agreement, that no traffice data gets stored or archived). For all the rest we should wait until we have the foundation. Not speaking on behalf of OOoDeV here, but I'd like to prevent this risk for the association. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Reducing donation ads
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > two hearts are beating in my breast here -- on the one hand, sure, we > cannot do that much. On the other hand, it's a question of grace to > freeze our fundraising for a few days, to show there are more important > things at the moment... but I am undetermined. I'd like to second Olivier Cleynen's mail - there will *always* be things that are more important than TDF fundraising. No matter how important we feel TDF is - it is only just a very little piece in what is important for mankind at any given time. But - it actually is the piece we decided to take care about. So - really, my thoughts and wishes are with all the people in Japan, I owe highest respect to all those people who are currently going to Japan to help there - I hope, all these helping people will be successfull and get the situation under control very soon and will be able to save lives. But these are my private thoughts - and as the person that I am I'd encourage everyone to see if there is something she could do to help to ease many of the problems (currently in Japan, but there are many more problems). Anyway - TDF should continue to take care about TDF's mission. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Reminder: SC call tonight
Hi, > just a short reminder that we have an SC call tonight: > http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/msg00698.html Unfortunately I don't know if I can make it (quite busy at work atm). It's likely that I'll be late. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] Bias of www.libreoffice.org
Hi, > Von: Volker Merschmann > > I would like to ask a statement from the SC whether > www.libreoffice.org is our international page or the page for the > english-speaking community or even has a focus on North America. Well .. I think, this will take some days to come up with an official statement (as the statement might have some side-effects). > > The question has to be asked because of the disussion at [1] if the > page http://www.libreoffice.org/get-involved/marketers/ should contain > a link to the US-Marketing-Mailinglist. Imho the discussion should go back to where it started: do we need this information at the website? I'd say no. At OOo we used to have mixed website for users, contributors and developers - after some time all those groups felt they need their information in the first place. the outcome was that the website became cluttered and there was no easy way to find information for any of the groups. That said: if we today move us-specific content to the genereal website, we will do this tomorrow for british contributors, then we will add information for porters on ARM platform, then for those who work on a new (ribbon anyone?) user interface .. and finally we will have information for those who do the marketing for the ARM-specific ribbon interface in US to the website. Ok, I exaggerate ;) But - once you started, you will not stop. From my experience, people (in FLOSS projects) tend to adopt their way of working constantly. So the information need to be changed very often but should not be at several places. So please: put these information to the wiki and make this better accessible. My summary: www.libreoffice.org should be the global website with (main) focus on end users. Neither should we put information of local interest or to much details for contributors to the site. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] About Membership Committee
Hi Friedrich, > Von: Friedrich Strohmaier > > What's not clear for me: > What is a "Members" task? I see there are big efforts to define apply > and revoke membership, but I don't see the corresponding harvest. > > Is there any info around about that topic? See http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/CommunityBylaws#Members.27_Roles This lists ome ideas, what members regularely do (besides actively contributiong to TDF's projects) The most important (because granting some power) formal tasks might be: # voting in elections for the Board of Directors and any other committee that requires election; # voting on decisions put up for a vote; # being elected to or standing as candidate for the various boards and committees. regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] About Membership Committee
Hi, > Von: David Nelson > > "assign one MC-member to each application who is in charge to review > the application (this should be based on the work area of the > applicant. e.g. Fridrich might review developer's applications, Sophi > UX, design, work in locale teams, André does l10n, QA, website)" > > Documentation team contributors are currently in disgrace? ;-) Surely not - as well as those who giving support on mailing lists or forums - or those who will run the "first ODF document exchange with Mars Mission" backed by TDF in spring 2027. ;) So - the list of activities to consider is very wide and we will always hafe to add items on a case-by-case basis to the list. And I'd guess sooner or later three MC members will not be enough to process all the applications and review all types of activities. (Unless we get one of those guys from Mars with 40 inch brain diameter to the MC). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] About Membership Committee
Hi, as told in last weeks meeting, we (Sophie, Fridrich, me) had some off-list discussion about the MC process. Our initial thoughts are documented at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Talk:TDF/Membership_Committee Please note, that this is the *talk* page, so all this reflects our opinion, nothing fixed yet. But as Sophi, Fridrich and me agreed on the general idea, we would be able to start, once we fixed some details. (tbd soon). What we already know, is that we need a set of TDF members to bootstrap the process. E.g. if there is no posibility to "measure" a member's merit, we neet to ask other members for verification. And obviously MC members should be members of TDF as well. Therefore I put two items to today's SC call agenda: 1st: please approve that people listed at http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ are current members of TDF according to our ByLaws 2nd: approve Fridrich Strba as member of TDF Thanks and regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Thursday 1600 UTC
Hi, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > the next Steering Committee conference call will take place > > Thursday, January 27th > 1600 UTC > > See http://www.doodle.com/6qt4qqc3w56srrqt for your local date and time. I'll try to join, it's likely that I'll be late. Minutes from last meeting are available at the wiki (sorry for the delay). > > Add your favorite agenda items to > http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings I removed all items that have been discussed in last week's meeting and left only those that have been skipped. André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] connecting external services to our domain
Hi Davi, * > Von: Florian Effenberger > > David Nelson wrote on 2011-01-18 22.36: > > > My request for the alfresco.libreoffice.org sub-domain still holds. > > > > I am willing to offer Christian/Florian full root access to the > > system, if necessary, and to comply with all feasible requirements to > > satisfy TDF. > > > > Would it be appropriate to request consideration of this at the next SC > meeting? > > > > Or is the refusal firm and non-negotiable? > > no, there's no refusal in general, don't worry. :-) I'm just looking on > how we can keep the infrastructure constant. I agree with Florian here, but another thought: Can you give some reason for having alfresco? E.g. which team will use the tool for what purpose. A brief summary or just a link to such a summary would be helpfull (and sorry, If this is already available and I missed it :( ). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] poll on next SC confcall
Hi Florian, > Von: Florian Effenberger > > the poll on the next SC confcall is online, please let us know when you > have time to join ;) > > http://www.doodle.com/mqhh96d6uad9b47i?newDesign=true the times in the poll look somehow strange. E.g. Wednesday up to 17:00 only, Thursday up to 16:00, other days to 19:00. this will drop Wednesday and Thursday completely for me (and I'd guess our brazilian friends are also not very happy to get up this early). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
Re: [steering-discuss] RT for membership ?
Hi, > Von: Sophie Gautier > > I begin to think about the tooling needed for the membership process. > Are we going to use RT [1] for handling requests and follow up? Gnome is > using it for his membership as well. > Or have you already anything else in mind? Well .. I did not think about special tooling yet (at least not for our start). I was rather thinking of a mailing list to send in applications, a wiki page to track applications and member status and a web page to list current members. Maybe we (You, Fridrich, me) should first have a brief discussion on how we like to handle the process, not precisely thinking of tools. (E.g. who sends in applications, how to we prepare infos for our decision, how and wen do we make the decision and how do we publish our findings). How about some IRC chat on this? regarding RT vs. bugtracker - depends on who would work with the tool. I don't want to force (possible) members to create yet anonther account for yet another tool (yaafyat :) ). regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review
Dear SC members, please read, review and correct the minutes at http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13 regards, André -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/ *** All posts to this list are publicly archived for eternity ***
[steering-discuss] List of Work Items on the wiki
Hi, I created a list of workitems (only those where the SC should have an eye on - or take care about / make decisions) at the wiki: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Work_Items at the moment it is a very rogh collection, so please review. Regards, André -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [steering-discuss] Version numbering of LibO
Hi, > Von: Sophie Gautier > An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org > > > > Sebastian Spaeth wrote on 2010-11-01 16.36: > >> > >> Dear all, all discussions seem to hint at that the first stable release > >> of LibreOffice is going to be a 3.3.0 release. I would like to have you > >> consider a different version for the following reasons: I put it to the agenda, so that we can have some kind of "official" statement: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Agenda_2010-11-03 > > Agreed, I think we should revise the naming of our version and make > our own progression pattern (athouhg not àla Ubuntu please, I love to > learn a new English animal name every 6 month, most of the time nobody > is able to remember it ;-) and that is easy also to figure out which > version between the stable or the developer one. I'd rather continue OOo version number schema for the moment. My main reason is interoparability with extensions and third party applications. At the moment at least extensions might check for a minimum / maximum version number of the application. The application brant itself is not taken into account. To pass such tests we need (at least internally) to follow the OOo versions - and I'd not suggest to separate internal / external version numbers. We might work on this for future versions - and maybe we even must work on this, in case LibreOffice and OOo diverge a lot. regards, André -- E-mail to steering-discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org for instructions on how to unsubscribe List archives are available at http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/steering-discuss/ All messages you send to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
