Re: [board-discuss] Seeking approval for server procurement

2012-01-11 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Thorsten, *

I'm not voting, but want to get this right ...

 Original-Nachricht 
 Von: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org
 An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 
 TDF has received a generous, targetted donation of $3000 to procure
 a rack-mountable server, dedicated for dev-related workloads, e.g.
 tinderbox builds. One of our sponsoring companies is offering
 for-free hosting, such that this is a one-off spending.


This would mean, that 

1) TDF gets $3k to by any server that then will be hostet by a sponsor for free

2) TDF gets $3k to by a certain server which is available, and hosted by a 
sponsor for free


If it is 2) the board should at least verify and document, that the server
price is reasonable according to current server market condidtions. 


regards,

André

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Re: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson and it's deputy

2011-12-05 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

so, the board has elected

Florian Effenberger  as chairman of the board
and
   Thorsten Behrens as his deputy.


we had 6 out of 7 board members voting (making a quorum).

Each of the nominees got 5 votes (as Florian and Thorsten abstained to 
vote on their own seat). 

To support the decision we also received 2 supporting votes from
deputies.

See
http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/board-discuss/threads.html#02188

I'll update the website accordingly.

Congratulations to Florian and Thorsten ;)

regards,

André



 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Thu, 01 Dec 2011 19:55:51 +0100
 Von: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
 An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Betreff: [board-discuss] Electing a BoD chairperson  and it\'s deputy

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 Dear Board members,
 
 according to the current draft of the foundation's legal statutes (as
 proposed to the German authorities), the foundation's board shall elect
 a chairperson and the chairperson's deputy among the board's members.
 
 In short - these will be the primary legal representatives of the
 foundation. While having no special power, legal contracts need to be
 signed by one of the board members together with either the chairperson
 or it's deputy. ( Beyond that, the board can decide to give procuration
 to individual board members.)
 
 As we are going to file the papers really soon, I'd ask the board
 members to elect
 
 Florian Effenberger  as chairman of the board
 and
Thorsten Behrens as his deputy.
 
 During the board elections Florian and Thorsten were the candidates who
 reached the highest vote rank. Florian is for sure one of our most
 active members doing great work in marketing, is coordinating our admin
 team and did lots of preparations for the legal setup of the foundation.
 Thorsten is well known and accepted among developers (and not only there
 ;) ), and also helped a lot preparing the legal setup of the foundation.
 
 I think, my suggestions in the interest of the board members and all our
 TDF members.
 (If not, time to object is right now ;) )
 
 
 Thanks and regards,
 
 André
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Re: [board-discuss] CommunityBylaws and actual structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal entity

2011-11-30 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Lionel,

 Original-Nachricht 
 Von: Lionel Elie Mamane lio...@mamane.lu


 I'm reading the wiki page CommunityBylaws, and I'm confused. It says
 These Bylaws do not apply to the actual structure and governance of
 The Document Foundation as a legal entity (...).

Yes, (unfortunately) the current situation has some cunfusing points.

We all hope that this will be resolved within the next few (hopefully 
two) weeks.


 
 But then they go on doing exactly that. For example, they explain how
 the Board of Directors is elected, and by whom. The board of directors
 is AFAIK usually the people responsible to the law / state / courts
 that e.g. the money of the foundation is used in accordance to the
 goals of the foundation. 

The Bylaws were drafted from a communitie's point of view, when we did
not exactly know, what legal model the foundation will follow.
So while many things in the bylaws match legal terms ans structure,
it is not _exactly_ what we will see in legal statutes.


 
 
 So to me, it is factual that the Bylaws *do* speak about the actual
 structure and governance of The Document Foundation as a legal
 entity: they speak about the composition of the BoD, and the BoD is
 part of the structure of the foundation as a legal entity, and by law
 the BoD must be involved in the governance of the foundation as a
 legal entity.

Yes, at some points, the bylaws match the legal structure, BoD is one
of the perfect (99%) matches.

 
 
 Other examples:
 
  * The Chairperson (CH) is in charge of representing the Foundation.

This is something we need to change, if the foundation will be approved
by German authorities.

As you quoted, in German law the Board (of directors) represents the
Foundation.

regards,

André

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Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies of the board (and MC)

2011-11-10 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

so I have still no updates - only more names to put on the website :)


Simon, Drew, Norbert, can you provide a short bio for the website?
(use https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/ as reference)


@website team: 
A brief review of my changes at the foundation website would be welcome.
Changes are visible on the staging site.

Thanks and regards,

André




 - Ursprüngliche Nachricht -
 Von: Andre Schnabel
 Gesendet: 07.11.11 15:22 Uhr
 An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, Bjoern Michaelsen, Fridrich Strba
 Betreff: Re: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies 
 aof the board (and MC)
 
 Hi,
 
 so far I got a reply only from Andreas - still missing short bios for 
 Björn and Fridrich.
 
 
 I'd like to publish the new pages (current board and MC) this week. 
 So - as long as I don't get updates it will go online with nothing here 
 yet.
 
 
 regards,
 
 André
 
 
  Original-Nachricht 
  Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 14:49:25 +0100
  Von: Andre Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
  An: board-discuss@documentfoundation.org, 
  tdf-members...@lists.documentfoundation.org
  Betreff: [board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies 
  aof the board (and MC)
 
  Hi,
  
  as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), 
  I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture
  as well as some short introduction.
  
  Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/
  for examples. 
  
  We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to 
  create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich.
  
  Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use
  our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something
  more appropriate :)
  
  All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if
  you want me to change the information. 
  
  Please send this all to me directly.
  
  
  Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of
  inital SC and founding members) to a history page, so all the 
  information there will be kept.
  
  regards,
  
  André
  
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Re: [board-discuss] [RESULT] New Membership Committee voted by the board

2011-11-09 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Thorsten, *

 Datum: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:08:21 +0100
 Von: Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org

 
 the TDF board of directors has now formally approved the following
 individuals as members of the new Membership committee:
 
 * Andre Schnabel
 * Fridrich Strba
 * Norbert Thiebaud
 * Simon Phipps
 * Sophie Gautier 
 
 and the following individuals as their deputies:
 
 * Cor Nouws
 * Drew Jensen 
 
 We would like to ask all successful candidates to formally accept
 their vote, by replying to this email.

I do accept that vote and am looking forward to working with the other
established and new memers of the MC.

regards,

André

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[steering-discuss] Reminder to come to a decision (was: Preparing elections for the membership committee)

2011-11-02 Thread Andre Schnabel
Dear board members,

this is a friendly reminder that we need a desion if we will start
the MC election process right now or if we postpone this to next year.

The proposed schedule for the election process starts at the 4th of Nov.
with the announcement of the elections, so there should be a decision by 
tomorrow.

best regards,

André


 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Sun, 30 Oct 2011 17:44:47 +0100
 Von: André Schnabel andre.schna...@gmx.net
 An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Betreff: Re: [steering-discuss] Preparing elections for the membership
 committee

 Hi,
 
 Am 30.10.2011 17:09, schrieb Norbert Thiebaud:
  Maybe we can do with the current MC as 'initially designated' for the
  first 6 month of the foundation and organize a MC election then, since
  it would be a good idea to have BoD election and MC election somewhat
  separated to avoid 'oversight'/'membership' issues.
 
 Seems reasonable to me - as long as there is a substitude for Thorsten 
 and all of the other MC members agree to be on duty for another 6 months.
 
 regards,
 
 André
 
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Re: [steering-discuss] Thorsten's stepdown

2011-11-02 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:17:57 +0100
 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 
 Thorsten has unsubscribed from the internal MC mailing list. I assume 
 this means his stepdown is effective immediately (which makes sense, 
 since he is already officially in the BoD). I have therefore adjusted 
 the wiki page at 
 https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Membership_Committee
 
 In case there are objections to this, please let me know.


No, this is correct. Thorsten joined us in our last meeting just to say 
thanks and goodbye. 

So at this point - let me thank Thorsten for all the work at the MC and
especially setting up the election tooling and website.

As we are going to have new MC members elected or appointed soon, I'd say
is is ok for the remaining members to continue business with just
four people for a couple of weeks.


regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Vote for MC elections

2011-11-02 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Datum: Wed, 02 Nov 2011 10:30:27 +0100
 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org


 
 The statutes in their current draft foresee 1. deputies are not attached 
 to one specific seat holder 2. and the number of seat holders must be odd.
 
 You proposed Norbert and Simon as members/deputies, but André also 
 wrote, you want to have a 5+2 setup. For that, one more seat holder is 
 missing. Do you want to propose someone, or shall the BoD come up with 
 someone? Or do you want to have a 3+3 setup?

No, we'd prefere a 5+2 setup.

It is up to the BoD to appoint the new members / deputies (if we do not go
for elections). We as the MC would suggest that Simon and Norbert would
be considered for such position. We had a brief discussion, if we can
suggest a third name as well. We had some ideas but no strong preferences, so 
we would leave it to the BoD. 

Btw. I don't want to give the impression that the BoD needs to follow our
suggestion.

regards,

André

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[board-discuss] Pictures and abstracts for members and deputies aof the board (and MC)

2011-11-02 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

as I'm currently reworking the TDF website (info on foundation), 
I'd ask all the new Board members / deputies to send in a picture
as well as some short introduction.

Please have a look at https://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/board/
for examples. 

We are currently missing this for Björn, Andreas and (as I'm going to 
create a page for the MC as well) Fridrich.

Please be aware, that in the last meeting the Board did agree to use
our most favourite picture from the LibOCon, if you don't sent something
more appropriate :)

All other members are welcome to send in updated abstracts / pictures, if
you want me to change the information. 

Please send this all to me directly.


Note: I'm going to move the current fondation page (with the list of
inital SC and founding members) to a history page, so all the 
information there will be kept.

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Reimbursement for LinuxCon Europe

2011-09-22 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi Italo,

 Original-Nachricht 
 Datum: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 20:08:57 +0200
 Von: Italo Vignoli italo.vign...@gmail.com
 An: TDF Steering Discuss steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Betreff: [steering-discuss] Reimbursement for LinuxCon Europe

 I have already asked for reimbursement of expenses that I will incur for
 representing TDF at LinuxCon Europe in Prague, but as I have found a
 better combination I am reposting the request with the updated budget:
 
 EasyJet flight: 90 euro
 Hotel Bella in Prague: 136 euro
 Parking and transfers: 54 euro
 TOTAL: 280 euro
 
 I therefore ask other Steering Committee members to approve this
 expense, as I would like to apply for reimbursement @ SPI as soon as
 possible.

+1 

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Off-topic - please move to discuss@

2011-09-13 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi David, *

 Von: David Nelson li...@traduction.biz

 
 I perfectly understand your point.
 
 It is not helpful when you declare a thread to be a vote among SC
 members and then people jump in with friendly and encouraging
 comments, because then the SC can't vote properly and unambiguously.
 
 Maybe label vote threads as SC VOTE:?
 
 Then people should definitely refrain from jumping-in on those threads.


I doubt that people would refrain - obviously some people (at least
one person) can not resist to countiously discuss here at the list,
even if asked to move the topic to other list (because *there* are
the right people for discussion). 

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process

2011-08-17 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 
 Tom Davies wrote on 2011-08-17 12:48:
  I think that counts as 6 votes with none against, so it's nem con or
  something.  The votes from deputies doesn't count if the  people they
 are
  deputies for have voted.  Not that it makes much difference since it's
 still a
  strong majority with none against.
 
 I think so, too - but André planned the page, so maybe he has some 
 insight on how to have the wording ;)

well .. this has not so much to do with the page design ;)

But I agree to count 6 votes (rather 7 as Olivier also approved).
We can list two positive deputy votes not counting for the decision.

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] contracting a lawyer for the foundation's set-up process

2011-08-15 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 
 For the process of filing, it is highly advisable to have a lawyer 
 assisting us and acting as official point of contact. Not only will some 
 legal topics come up, but also being represented by a lawyer greatly 
 helps in being perceived as serious entity by the authorities.
 
...

 
 In order to have legal advice for the process, which might take a few 
 weeks, I'd like to ask the steering committee to approve a sum of 
 3.000,- € in total. 

+1 

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy

2011-08-11 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Charles-H. Schulz
 
 I'd +1 Thorsten's short summary, but does it work with Debian rules?

yes - it daoes, bacuse ...

 Le 10 août 2011 14:34, Thorsten Behrens t...@documentfoundation.org a
 écrit :

 
  The tm rule then boils down to: stuff from the official tdf/libo
  website - TDF mark permitted. Stuff from elsewhere: TDF mark not
  permitted, unless permission explicitely granted.


Debian can just use the LibreOffice logo (without TDF tagline), as they
build from source without major modifications.

Again - the only problem i see is that the TDF-tagged Logo is the default.

And - we already have two logos, so there is no additional effort in 
creating and maintaining a second logo. 

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] addition to trademark policy

2011-08-08 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Charles-H. Schulz charles.sch...@documentfoundation.org
 
 Hmm, if that confuses you, it will confuse otgers. 

I htink, what is confusing here is that ...

 Le 8 août 2011 11:50, Caolan McNamara cao...@skynet.ie a écrit :
 
  I'm not super-attached to the TDF tagline for distro/personal builds,
  but I am attached to using the default logos, whichever they are, for
  distro/personal builds.


... our default logos in the source tree use the TDF tagline (at least this 
was when I last did a build from source), but the tagged logo should 
be used for instance on .. software builds compiled by the Document 
Foundation.

Imho quite easy to resolve: use the community logos per default for builds
from source. Enable the Logo with TDF tagline on build time and tell people
to use this only when doing builds that are supposed to be distributed
via TDF resources.

regards,

André


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Re: [steering-discuss] funding for system operations meeting

2011-08-01 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Florian Effenberger
 Gesendet: 29.07.11 18:24 Uhr


 Norbert Thiebaud wrote on 2011-07-29 18:06:
  Ahh, so you're asking TDF to cover the 600 euro budget overrun. Now I get 
  it:-)
  Thanks for the clarification
 
 actually, I would like to ask to cover everything from the TDF account, 
 as this would be fair.

No - this would be absolutely chaotic.

Imagine if every now and then a team comes around, doing some event and
then *afterwards* asks for reimbursement, because this would be fair.

sorry, clear: no from my side.

André

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[steering-discuss] Please approve Simon Phipps as election secretary

2011-07-19 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

this was briefly discussed in our last SC-Call and in the following MC-meeting.

To ease the work of the current MC and help with the BoD elections (help with 
communication, organization and overseeing the election process), we would like 
to name Simon Phipps as election secretary for our next BoD elections. MC will 
still be responsible to prepare and oversee the elections, but Simon will do 
most of the communication on the topic.

So I'd ask each SC member / deputy to approve this proposal.

My vote is +1

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] Vendor string usage in third-party packages of LibreOffice

2011-05-12 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

just some comments, far from final decision ;)

 Von: Francois Tigeot ftig...@wolfpond.org

 
 This is an extract of the TradeMark_Policy web page:
 
   You may use the Marks without prior written permission (subject to the
   following terms):
 
   1. To refer to the LibreOffice software in substantially unmodified
 form.

Please note the wording refer to the LibreOffice software. So this
chapter is meant for the software itself, not necessarily the vendor of
the software.

There is another paragraph in the policy:

 Non Permitted Use

 You may not use the marks in the following ways:

 1. In any way likely to cause confusion as to the identity of TDF, the 
 origin of its software, or the software's license; 

So in your case, there might be confusion what the origin of the sofware
is - you are the vendor, but you are not TDF. 

Therefore: It is absolutely ok to use the LibreOffice trademark, but
it is questionable to use The Document Foundation trademark.


If I understand it correctly, the way of building and distributing
the pkgsrc version is very different from what we do within our
project framework. So the way the vendors act are very different and
this should be reflected in the vendor string.

regards,

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] poll for call in calendar week 15

2011-04-13 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

I won't be available at the weekend, so hopefully Leif can 
step in.

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 Datum: Thu, 07 Apr 2011 12:23:42 +0200
 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
 An: steering-discuss@documentfoundation.org
 Betreff: [steering-discuss] poll for call in calendar week 15

 Hello,
 
 as discussed before, the next SC call will take place on a weekend. 
 Here's the poll for calendar week 15, and I'd like to especially ask the 
 deputies to step in when the member her/himself cannot attend:
 
 http://www.doodle.com/4egipf2887nmw4us
 
 Florian
 
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Re: [steering-discuss] formal vote on Cor Nouws as deputy in the membership committee

2011-03-17 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 
 To start work on the membership committee soon, all of its committee 
 members are needed. It is possible, however, that Sophie might be 
 unavailable for some time. To avoid the membership committee being 
 unable to work during this time, Cor Nouws should serve as her deputy, 
 taking over her responsibility during her time of absence.

+1

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday

2011-03-17 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org

 
 how about doing one during the week, and the other during weekends? That 
 could serve both wishes, as I and some others try to keep their weekends 
 free. :-)

+1

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] next SC call on Wednesday

2011-03-16 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Original-Nachricht 
 Von: Florian Effenberger flo...@documentfoundation.org
 
 the next Steering Committee phone conference call will be
 
   tomorrow, Wednesday, March 16th
   1800 UTC

Still at the office and not sure if I can make it in time.

So short update on MC:

We are waiting for the TDF website to be migrated to Silverstripe
(at least Christian, Christoph, Florian are working on this). As soon
as this has been done, we will implement a application form (protoype already 
exists). After this has been deone, we can really start the process.

André

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Re: [steering-discuss] RT for membership ?

2011-01-17 Thread Andre Schnabel
Hi,

 Von: Sophie Gautier
 
 I begin to think about the tooling needed for the membership process.
 Are we going to use RT [1] for handling requests and follow up? Gnome is 
 using it for his membership as well.
 Or have you already anything else in mind?


Well .. I did not think about special tooling yet (at least not for our 
start). I was rather thinking of a mailing list to send in applications,
a wiki page to track applications and member status and a web page
to list current members.

Maybe we (You, Fridrich, me) should first have a brief discussion on
how we like to handle the process, not precisely thinking of tools.
(E.g. who sends in applications, how to we prepare infos for our
decision, how and wen do we make the decision and how do we publish
our findings).

How about some IRC chat on this?

regarding RT vs. bugtracker - depends on who would work with the
tool. I don't want to force (possible) members to create 
yet anonther account for yet another tool (yaafyat :) ).

regards,

André

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[steering-discuss] Minutes of SC call 2011-01-13 for review

2011-01-14 Thread Andre Schnabel
Dear SC members,

please read, review and correct the minutes at
http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/TDF/Steering_Committee_Meetings#Minutes_2011-01-13

regards,

André

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