Re: Access To On-line NY Times Articles
At 06:02 PM 9/27/02, Julia Thompson wrote: >Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > > > Jeroen wrote: > > > > > > > >I know some people object to having to register in order to read > on-line NY > > >Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a registration for > all of us. > > > > > >Member ID = brinlist > > >Password = brinlist > > > > > :-)) > > > > I like to register with name "sunda" and password "aqcatb". This > > acronymous is obvious for any brazilian. And no, I can't explain > > it in this sensible and polite community > >Will you mail an explanation off-list to anyone admitting to be >insensible or impolite? :) Then perhaps Julia will forward the explanation off-list to the rest of us . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
At 09:14 AM 9/27/02, Julia Thompson wrote: >Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > > > Jeroen wrote: > > > > > > True, but the fact that the US still has the death > > > penalty shows that it does not care about the wishes > > > and opinions of the international community. > > > > > Bah. Using the death penalty is peanuts, compared to > > use of those horrible evil pseudo-units, instead of > > the International Scientific System > >Bah. Tell that to the folks who are buried six feet under after having >been executed. Better yet, tell it to the victims of those who were released to kill again. -- Ronn! :) Fighting Fire With Gasoline Maru "The problem isn't repeating rifles. The problem is repeating criminals." -- Alan Gottlieb, USA Today, Fri., 13 Aug 1999 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Zonkeys, striped like zebras, built like donkeys
At 02:55 PM 9/27/02, Deborah Harrell wrote: >As for riding - have you ever sat a donkey? It is not >a comfortable experience. And zebras are worse, so >I'd bet the combo is poor. The only 'zorse' (zebra X >horse) owner I met said it was like a mule as far as >physicallly riding (ie. not bad), Is that with or without a saddle? Mules--at least the ones my backside has had firsthand experience with--tend to be constructed in such a way that their backbone makes a rather significant ridge down the middle of the sitting area, whereas horses--again, at least the ones my backside has had firsthand experience with--are noticeably flatter in that region . . . >but mentally a very challenging creature. IOW, it takes even more than the traditional whack across the noggin with a 2x4 in order to get their attention? >Debbi >who is delighted to have equines to talk about, but >really is bridling her enthusiasm... ;D "Humor...it is a difficult concept." --Lt. Saavik (Kirstie Alley) to Admiral Kirk (William Shatner) in _Star Trek II: The Wrath of Kahn_ --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: VPN
At 05:42 PM 9/27/02, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > >There is a serious flaw in (...) Windows (...) Anyone notice that I was quieter than usual this past week? My system crashed Sunday afternoon. After everything short of that failed, I reinstalled Windows. Finally, not long before midnight Thursday night, on at least the fifth or sixth attempted re-install, it finally worked, at least well enough for me to get back on-line and download the some 1900+ e-mail messages which had accumulated. There are still some things which don't work exactly right, which I hope will not cause another crash before I can get them straightened out . . . --Ronn! :) I always knew that I would see the first man on the Moon. I never dreamed that I would see the last. --Dr. Jerry Pournelle ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
Kevin Tarr wrote: > > >Rightbut Bush wants a vote NOW, so if Dems got off their horse >and did something other than cry, then they would have a full month to >discuss the economy and whatever other phantom issues they can come up >with. > How is the vote going to take the focus off of the impending war? If anything the focus on the inevitable conflict will increase and multiply once the congress gives its OK. Doug "And everywhere the good prepare for perpetual war And let their weapons shape the plan The way the hammer shapes the hand" Jackson Browne Casino Nation ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
bush, bc weapons
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Re: Access To On-line NY Times Articles
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Jeroen wrote: > > > > >I know some people object to having to register in order to read on-line NY > >Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a registration for all of us. > > > >Member ID = brinlist > >Password = brinlist > > > :-)) > > I like to register with name "sunda" and password "aqcatb". This > acronymous is obvious for any brazilian. And no, I can't explain > it in this sensible and polite community Will you mail an explanation off-list to anyone admitting to be insensible or impolite? :) Julia wondering if claiming to be impolite will work ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Access To On-line NY Times Articles
Jeroen wrote: > >I know some people object to having to register in order to read on-line NY >Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a registration for all of us. > >Member ID = brinlist >Password = brinlist > :-)) I like to register with name "sunda" and password "aqcatb". This acronymous is obvious for any brazilian. And no, I can't explain it in this sensible and polite community Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: VPN
>There is a serious flaw in (...) Windows (...) Yawn Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer
Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > > Julia Thompson wrote: > > > The real problem was that Sammy woke up after less than an hour, cried, > > and his daddy picked him up and brought him downstairs. > > Ah, that kind of problem. Yeah I found a solution for that too. I go out shopping, > leaving Tom with daddy. The problem is, daddy is working, hears Sammy cry, goes in to check, picks him up, brings him to mommy, and goes back to work. If he does it again some time when he's not under a nasty deadline, I *will* tell him to deal with Sammy. >:) (Telecommuting has advantages and disadvantages for everyone in the house. This worked out to being a disadvantage for *me*. Dan's telecommuting is an advantage if I have to deal with a diaper that has, um, solid waste in it.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
--- Sonja wrote: > My motto, > Vertrouwen is goed, controle is beter. > translates something like this: Trust is good, but > checking is better. That works on so many levels! Not that I, personally, have _any_ control issues... _How_ Many Weeks To Turn Coal To Diamond!? Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Access To On-line NY Times Articles
--- "J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > I know some people object to having to register in > order to read on-line NY > Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a > registration for all of us. > > Member ID = brinlist > Password = brinlist > > > Jeroen "Service with a smile" van Baardwijk Thanks, Jeroen! Now I get to read _more_ cool stuff! And I'm Not Drowning In Paper Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: The Multiverse Database
I'm looking for someone to write a brief summary of David Brin's Uplift universe for my website The Multiverse Database. (www.multiverse-db.com) Ideally I'd like to get a description of some of the planets in this universe too, such as Jijo and Garth. Anyone interested can visit the website or email me directly. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 10:51 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: The Multiverse Database Joe Hale wrote: > >I'd like to invite everyone who likes science fiction to check out my >website: www.multiverse-db.com It's a relational database of planets >from the many worlds of science fiction. > Great! You've done for space what I've done for time: http://www.geocities.com/albmont/timeline.htm [if the idiots of genocidies allow the visit today] Alberto Monteiro> ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gene therapy, was Re: measles vs cancer
--- Sonja wrote: > What shocked me most > was that the professor who was the cause of all this > isn't even > suspended but managed to sell his shares for the > company that would > eventually market the by him researched cure for > several millions. He > still does research in the same field as the leader > of his research team. The new Jungle, the new Octopus - get what you can as fast as you can, and who cares what's trampled under your feet? > I was totally flabbergasted. > GCU Finally managed to use "flabbergasted" in an > exchange Well, it's an ill wind that blows no good, as Laura Ingall's Pa (or was it Ma?) used to say. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
--- Sonja wrote: > Deborah wrote: > this > > particular team was _very dark_ chocolate brown - > they told me purebred, but perhaps they were > crossbreds. > > The latter are becoming more popular with the > dressage > > and sporthorse set. Here are a couple of pix (the > > show looks a bit over the top; but if you at all > like > > horses I highly recommend "Cheval Theatre" by the > > 'Cirque de Soleil' (sp?) folks): > > http://www.worldofdancinghorses.com/horses.html > > > > (I've seen it spelled Friesian, Freisian and > Fresian.) > > I'm amazed. I wasn't thinking about anything as > blazing as a star or > blazes or something. Just a few white hairs on the > fetlocks, stuff like > that, so it isn't a pure black. > >From "the Friesian Horse Studbook" homepage > > http://www.fps-studbook.com/ > > Its black colour, long heavy mane and conspicuous > fetlocks are typical > of this trusty steed. Its friendly but lively > character, as well as its > intelligence and eagerness to learn make it possible > to use the Friesian > horse for many applications. Not only have they been > used as coach > horses, driving and show driving horses and riding > horses, but they are > also perfect for dressage, circuses and recreational > riding. One of the moments I loved best at a recent Horse Expo was when 2 Friesians were turned loose in the arena - ah, so beautiful! And it's one of the breeds that has 'presence' just standing around. Our farrier has worked with some and says they have wonderful temperaments. > So you can understand that I'm very amazed they let > that golden one in the book. Here, some of the 'color breeds' (Paint and Appaloosa) allow solid-colored 'breeding stock' status, but I think it's silly to call a horse with no spots an Appie. :P > I loved the pics btw. > > Sonja > GCU I used to be a horse girl. Can you tell? The more, the merrier! :D GSV Yee-haw! __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Interesting subject feature
I suppose we could turn it on and off weekly... Or perhaps each week, change it to something reflecting the date the thread started. Or not. -- Nick Arnett Phone/fax: (408) 904-7198 [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of David Hobby > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 9:49 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Interesting subject feature > > > Hey, did you guys notice this? All the old threads > have "[Brin-l]" in their subjects, and the new ones don't. > I kind of like this feature. > > ---David Hobby > > Now if there was only an easy way to tell if they were > on-topic... > ___ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Acronyms (was: Firefly)
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Deborah Harrell > Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:01 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Acronyms (was: Firefly) > > > --- "Marvin Long, Jr." wrote: > > > I can only accept payment in charbroiled > > chicken-hearts. > > > > Marvin Long > > Austin, Texas > > Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly > > the USA) > > Did I miss the explanation of 'LLP?' Limited Liability Partnership -- a business entity typically used for professional partnerships, such as law firms. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Access To On-line NY Times Articles
I know some people object to having to register in order to read on-line NY Times articles, so I took the liberty of getting a registration for all of us. Member ID = brinlist Password = brinlist Jeroen "Service with a smile" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer
Julia Thompson wrote: > The real problem was that Sammy woke up after less than an hour, cried, > and his daddy picked him up and brought him downstairs. Ah, that kind of problem. Yeah I found a solution for that too. I go out shopping, leaving Tom with daddy. Unfortunatly I'm more likely to be weak, because I cannot resist the cuteness. Then again I usually make Tom go out into the garden. More like he keeps at it untill I let him go out. I found that the sandbox makes any clingyness go away very fast. Off course the problem remains when it rains. Then I go sit down with Tom on my lap and watch a movie or a series or anything untill Tom wants to go and do something else. I don't get much work done that way but hey, I'm a housewife now, so I'm my own boss! Rescedule is the motto ;o) Much better for my nerves too. Sonja GCU: Resceduling myself into bed to sleep off the effects of that very nice red wine I had for dinner. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Acronyms (was: Firefly)
- Original Message - From: "Deborah Harrell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 4:00 PM Subject: Acronyms (was: Firefly) > --- "Marvin Long, Jr." wrote: > > > I can only accept payment in charbroiled > > chicken-hearts. > > > > Marvin Long > > Austin, Texas > > Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly > > the USA) > > Did I miss the explanation of 'LLP?' > And why not grilled Rocky Mountain oysters? grin> > Limited Liability Partnership ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
--- "Marvin Long, Jr." wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > To plagiarize my favorite haggis commercial: > > "You're a wicked, wicked man!" > > I wish I got haggis commercials where I live. Actually, it was a commercial for the Qwest Dex Yellow Pages, but in it these two little Scottish ladies who had moved (? or were making an extended visit) to the US were bemoaning the lack of proper haggis, and one was describing "ooh, juicy sheep bits with oatmeal, cooked up in a sheep's stummick!" to which the other replied: "You're a cruel, cruel woman." Later they found 'Hal's House o' Haggis' in the phone book... About As Appealing As Blood Sausage Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
VPN
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,560113,00.asp VPN Flaw Could Clear Way for Hackers By Dennis Fisher There is a serious flaw in the VPN service included with Windows 2000 and XP that could provide an attacker with a clear path through corporate firewalls, according to an Austrian security company. The VPN (virtual private network) client and server that ship with Windows 2000 and XP use the PPTP (point-to-point tunneling protocol) for secure transmissions between remote clients and the server inside the firewall. Researchers at Phion Information Technologies have found a way to send a specially crafted PPTP packet to the server, which results in a buffer overrun. The exploit would result in the attacker's data overwriting a portion of the machine's kernel memory, Phion said in its bulletin. However, a Microsoft spokesman said the company's Security Response Center has been unable to reproduce the code-execution exploit. As of Friday afternoon, the company was still investigating the issue. Phion also said it had used the exploit to cause a denial-of-service on machines running Windows 2000 Service Pack 3 or XP. Microsoft has not issued a patch for the vulnerability. If what Phion says is true, the vulnerability is potentially a very damaging one. VPNs are typically used by remote corporate workers who need secure access to their companies' networks. An attacker exploiting this flaw would have a clear, secure tunnel directly into the heart of a vulnerable network. Phion posted its advisory to the BugTraq security mailing list Thursday. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Acronyms (was: Firefly)
--- "Marvin Long, Jr." wrote: > I can only accept payment in charbroiled > chicken-hearts. > > Marvin Long > Austin, Texas > Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly > the USA) Did I miss the explanation of 'LLP?' And why not grilled Rocky Mountain oysters? GSV Voodoo __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Zonkeys, striped like zebras, built like donkeys
--- Julia Thompson wrote: > > 2) If they're crossbreeds like that, presumably > they can't mate. I'm > guessing the female wouldn't go into heat or > otherwise put out signals > to the male that he ought to, um, go for a horsey > ride. And I saw him > chasing one of the hers down yesterday and trying to > go for a horsey > ride. (Sammy was neither paying attention, nor > speaking clearly enough > for me to determine if he was asking about the > activity, so I'm spared > *that* question for now.) If I see a baby zebra > down the line, that'll > clinch it. (What's the gestation period for a > zebra, anyway? Anyone know?) I'm guessing about 11 months, which is what it is for horses. And the crossbreds are almost always sterile (I remember reading a claim that a mule gave birth, but it wasn't substantiated), but their hormones are usually intact, so they _do_ like to 'play horsey.' VFP Unbridled __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
Deborah Harrell wrote: > I am very loyal to my friends and my principles, but I > will not place boundless trust in any organization or > group; I have not seen any that merit it. My motto, Vertrouwen is goed, controle is beter. translates something like this: Trust is good, but checking is better. Sonja ;o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
--- "J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > >I can't think of any big group that doesn't have > it's fair share of jerks > >and/or idiots; last time I recall seeing it, wasn't > the "bad apple" > >proportion of any population about 8-10%? > > Ahem. Care to give your opinion about which members > (names please, not > descriptions) of this community fall in the "bad > apple" category? (On the > old list there were some 300 subscribers, so that > would mean some 25-30 > people on this list would fall in that category.) > > Answer at your own risk... I _meant_ to say "except for Brin-L, of course!" I really did. And that I trust the List utterly, undyingly, unquestioningly, unwittingly, unstintingly. No, truly! Riiight Little Green Apples Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gene therapy, was Re: measles vs cancer
Deborah Harrell wrote: > I'm pretty sure that the University (Pennsylvania?) that was > involved in the gene therapy death of recent note had > its permit to conduct such research pulled; I do > remember reading some debate in the journals about > tighter regulations. The leader of said institute only got its license for research on humans temporarily scrapped pending further investigation. What shocked me most was that the professor who was the cause of all this isn't even suspended but managed to sell his shares for the company that would eventually market the by him researched cure for several millions. He still does research in the same field as the leader of his research team. I was totally flabbergasted. Sonja GCU Finally managed to use "flabbergasted" in an exchange ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Extremely bad smells
--- "J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > Dan Minette wrote: > > >Skunk bothers me mainly for its strength, so I'll > go along with that. But, > >I'd also rank pig scat right up there too. Maybe a > dog that rolled in that > >and then chased a skunk would be the worst. :-) > > Well, so much for the attempt to attract new members > by advertising the > *intellectual* level of this community... :-) I've forwarded some of the philosophical posts to friends to show why I thought the List was neat; I forwarded _that_ post to show that it wasn't just for eggheads! GSV Erudite __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
Deborah Harrell wrote: > --- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > > > (The Friesian team had both elegance and > > biggerness; > > > that's the breed of (usually black) horse > > popularized > > > in America by the movie 'Ladyhawke.') > > > > > > If it ain't black it ain't as black as some people's > > soul it ain't a > > Friesian Horse (sp?). Unless you mean the extremely > > small white markings > > that are grudgingly allowed in the species. > > > > No, haven't seen any with stars or blazes, but this > particular team was _very dark_ chocolate brown - they > told me purebred, but perhaps they were crossbreds. > The latter are becoming more popular with the dressage > and sporthorse set. Here are a couple of pix (the > show looks a bit over the top; but if you at all like > horses I highly recommend "Cheval Theatre" by the > 'Cirque de Soleil' (sp?) folks): > http://www.worldofdancinghorses.com/horses.html > > (I've seen it spelled Friesian, Freisian and Fresian.) > I'm amazed. I wasn't thinking about anything as blazing as a star or blazes or something. Just a few white hairs on the fetlocks, stuff like that, so it isn't a pure black. >From "the Friesian Horse Studbook" homepage http://www.fps-studbook.com/ Its black colour, long heavy mane and conspicuous fetlocks are typical of this trusty steed. Its friendly but lively character, as well as its intelligence and eagerness to learn make it possible to use the Friesian horse for many applications. Not only have they been used as coach horses, driving and show driving horses and riding horses, but they are also perfect for dressage, circuses and recreational riding. So you can understand that I'm very amazed they let that golden one in the book. I loved the pics btw. Sonja GCU I used to be a horse girl. Can you tell? ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Anyone watch "Firefly"?
--- "J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > >Oooh goody! You mean that I don't have to keep > posting links to back up > >my opinions on things?! I get to say whatever I > want without having to give any reason whatsoever?! > > Have you been asleep or something? The List Rule of > "provide proof for your claims" was ditched months > ago! But _then_ I was new to the list and wanted to be polite and fit in; this allows me to spout off the top of my head without considering consequences! ;P > > > >That's more like it! This is going to be sooo much > fun... > > Oh yeah! Now, about how I really feel about you... > > Jeroen "Flamethrower ready, sir!" van Baardwijk Gosh, Jeroen...I dunno what to say...I, uh... Don't you and Sonja already have other, um, 'friends'? I seem to recall posts to that effect... * VFP Whe! *Big Ol' Shit-Eating Grin __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: venus de milo
--- Erik Reuter wrote: > By the way, I think the evidence that there is > global warming is > convincing. The evidence that human activity is > solely or even > mostly responsible is much LESS convincing. But the > thing is, as far > as deciding what to do about global warming right > now, IT DOES NOT > MATTER! The current scientific understanding of > global warming/cooling > cycles is inadequate. But whether we are warming now > due primarily > to humans, or because we are departing an "ice-age" > type period (or > some other reason), what needs to be done is more > basic research to > understand ALL of the mechanisms that can lead to > global warming and > cooling, and then (perhaps in parallel), applied > research to see what we > can do to control it. It is a mistake to put > blinders on and only focus > on mechanisms related to humans, even if that is the > present cause of > warming, because there may be a better way to > counter warming. Active research is certainly needed; reasons to cut petrochemical dependence are not solely environmental, either. I'd like to know what happened to that compressed air 'car.' And I want to read about the demo solar houses that have been set up on the Mall (or thereabouts) in Washington, DC. GSV Conservation __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer
Julia Thompson wrote: > Sam likes scattering everything and putting things into boxes and trash > cans. We have no shortage of open boxes at the moment (working on > that!) but we've learned to put the trash cans up where he can't reach > the tops of them. Ah, well we have a dustbin for that kind of "hiding" things. Before discarding anything I have now got into the habit of first checking what Tom "threw away" for me. He is such a neat little boy, unfortunatly distinguishing between what is and what isn't meant for the dustbin is a bit of a problem still. I had to recycle some of my things from under a layer of stuff that ... I'll skip describing that. Suffice it to say it was enough work to make me more carefull as to what I throw into the dustbin without checking it ;o) Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Boston Scientists Grow Teeth In Lab
--- Erik Reuter wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > [thread combo] > > How many of the 'Gothies' will want to get > > vampire-type canines inserted? (although maybe > > they'll have gotten real lives by then, so it > won't be > > an issue...) > > for vampires, wouldn't real dead ones be better? Very probably so! One of my New Orleans friends was into Anne Rice novels for a while, and hung out with that crowd; she said that a few of them were "almost but not quite connected to reality" (and later quit hanging out with them). What Is It About Vampires, Anyway? Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
Reggie Bautista wrote: > So who exactly is a child, and who is an adult? What magically happens that > makes a person a child the day before they turn 18, and an adult the next > day *after* they have turned 18 (or 16 or 12 or whatever age defined by > their culture)? A parent is legally no longer responsible for the misbehaviour of the adult, whereas the parent is legally fully responsible for a child. So although physically not much changes, legally it becomes a whole different ballgame. So if Tom now smashes a window, I'm responsible and have to pay, like it or not. If Tom is 18 and smashes a window, he has to pay it himself and nobody can make me pay for him. But Tom would never smash a window so it is a rethorical example at best. or would he? Hmmm, only soft toys from now on. Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: stealware
At 14:45 27-09-2002 -0500, The Fool wrote: >http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/27/technology/27FREE.html > >If someone could send me this article, that would be good. Done. Jeroen "Service with a smile" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Zonkeys, striped like zebras, built like donkeys
--- Robert Seeberger wrote: > > http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=TO&Date=20020923&Category=NEWS21&ArtNo=109230066&Ref=AR > > If you notice something that's not quite a donkey, > not quite a zebra, and > definitely not a horse grazing at the University of > Findlay's farm, stop and take a closer look. > > Two zonkeys - half zebra, half donkey - are visiting > the farm from New > Mexico while their owner, former UF student David > MacDonald, works on a > project in Detroit. He thought exposing > pre-veterinary and equestrian > students to the extremely rare cross-breeds would be > a great learning opportunity. > > "We get to teach them that these animals have a > different attitude," Mr. > MacDonald said, referring to their naturally wild > side. Like wolf hybrids, these are _not_ for the faint of heart. Wild crossbreds are usually suspicious, cautious and do not make easy pets (nor should they - wild, after all, is not domesticated!). As for riding - have you ever sat a donkey? It is not a comfortable experience. And zebras are worse, so I'd bet the combo is poor. The only 'zorse' (zebra X horse) owner I met said it was like a mule as far as physicallly riding (ie. not bad), but mentally a very challenging creature. Debbi who is delighted to have equines to talk about, but really is bridling her enthusiasm... ;D __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > Lets see how long it takes the oil cartel to crush this: > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm > > > > > > > > > They won't have to.Where does the compressed air come from? > > > Your website says: > > > > > > "The designers of e.Volution say it will be possible to merely plug the > > > vehicle into any electrical power source to fill it up." > > > > > > Unless nuclear power makes as comeback, that means burning more coal or > > > oil. Plus, since, IIRC, electrical power transmission has about 50% > > losses > > > to homes, we're talking about even more fuel being burned. > > > > You forget hydroelectricity & wind power. It's more coal than gas, so > > the oil / gas cartel would oppose it. It's also a good thing because > > more oil can be used for things other than fuel, like plastics. > > No, I didn't forget. We are tapped out on hydro in the western world. We > might be able to squeeze another 1% of the total electric energy budget, > but not likely. There is some potential for additional hydro in the third > world, but its going to be pretty well spoken for with other increased > electricity usage. Any switch from gasoline to electricity will have to be > powered by conventional fuel plants. incremental use is > > As for wind, a good first order approximation is that it is a PR cost for > major oil companies and politicians. It has to be highly subsidized to > compete. > > Finally, OPEC has enough trouble just staying together. A conspiracy to > stop a switchover to coal by stopping compressed air cars is just a bit > much. Indeed, all they would have to do is point out how much better > natural gas is for the environment than coal. > > IMHO, articles such as this one shows the power of wishful thinking. Every price increase for oil has a profound impact on the entire economy. Everthing that is made of plastic, beomes more expensive, and everthing that is shipped , becomes more expensive. Going to work becomes more expesive, traveing by air is more expensive. The transportation business is the the foundation of the economy, everything that impacts the transportation industry, like oil prices, impacts the entire economy that is resting the foundation of the transportation industry. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
stealware
http://www.nytimes.com/2002/09/27/technology/27FREE.html If someone could send me this article, that would be good. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > (The Friesian team had both elegance and > biggerness; > > that's the breed of (usually black) horse > popularized > > in America by the movie 'Ladyhawke.') > > > If it ain't black it ain't as black as some people's > soul it ain't a > Friesian Horse (sp?). Unless you mean the extremely > small white markings > that are grudgingly allowed in the species. > No, haven't seen any with stars or blazes, but this particular team was _very dark_ chocolate brown - they told me purebred, but perhaps they were crossbreds. The latter are becoming more popular with the dressage and sporthorse set. Here are a couple of pix (the show looks a bit over the top; but if you at all like horses I highly recommend "Cheval Theatre" by the 'Cirque de Soleil' (sp?) folks): http://www.worldofdancinghorses.com/horses.html (I've seen it spelled Friesian, Freisian and Fresian.) > GCU How about changing subjectlines to match the > body of the text? :o) But thread creep is sooo much fun! And after all, the Barb and Arabian horse were what helped the Arabs take over that part of the world, until Charles the Hammer stopped them at Tours (IIRC), so it _sort_ of is topical..? OK, maybe not. :) Debbi who is proud of her restraint in only posting _1_ horse link! :D __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 2:19 PM Subject: Re: cars, air > > From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Lets see how long it takes the oil cartel to crush this: > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm > > > > > > They won't have to.Where does the compressed air come from? > > Your website says: > > > > "The designers of e.Volution say it will be possible to merely plug the > > vehicle into any electrical power source to fill it up." > > > > Unless nuclear power makes as comeback, that means burning more coal or > > oil. Plus, since, IIRC, electrical power transmission has about 50% > losses > > to homes, we're talking about even more fuel being burned. > > You forgeth Hydroelectricity & wind power. It's more coal than gas, so > the oil / gas cartel would oppose it. It's also a good thing because > more oil can be used for things other than fuel, like plastics. No, I didn't forget. We are tapped out on hydro in the western world. We might be able to squeeze another 1% of the total electric energy budget, but not likely. There is some potential for additional hydro in the third world, but its going to be pretty well spoken for with other increased electricity usage. Any switch from gasoline to electricity will have to be powered by conventional fuel plants. incremental use is As for wind, a good first order approximation is that it is a PR cost for major oil companies and politicians. It has to be highly subsidized to compete. Finally, OPEC has enough trouble just staying together. A conspiracy to stop a switchover to coal by stopping compressed air cars is just a bit much. Indeed, all they would have to do is point out how much better natural gas is for the environment than coal. IMHO, articles such as this one shows the power of wishful thinking. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air
> From: Dan Minette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Lets see how long it takes the oil cartel to crush this: > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm > > > They won't have to.Where does the compressed air come from? > Your website says: > > "The designers of e.Volution say it will be possible to merely plug the > vehicle into any electrical power source to fill it up." > > Unless nuclear power makes as comeback, that means burning more coal or > oil. Plus, since, IIRC, electrical power transmission has about 50% losses > to homes, we're talking about even more fuel being burned. You forgeth Hydroelectricity & wind power. It's more coal than gas, so the oil / gas cartel would oppose it. It's also a good thing because more oil can be used for things other than fuel, like plastics. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Gene therapy, was Re: measles vs cancer
--- Sonja van Baardwijk-Holten wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > > Viruses are really interesting, and a bit scary, > to > > study. If anyone's curious, I could find a site > or two to post. > > > > Insinuated Into Our Genes Maru > > At the moment I find gene therapy a bit scary. > Especially after watching > a documentary about how especially in the US (one of > the leading > countries doing research in that area) the amount of > intertwinement > between financial benefit and research causes really > big problems for > patients. You cannot trust the doc because he might > gain a couple a > billions from you getting the one lucky treatment. > If you don't, ah well > tough luck. What shocked me even more is that even > after such a tangle, > resulting in dire consequences for a patient is > found, there is nothing > much done about it except maybe a little slap on the > wrist and some bad > publicity. I find that very disturbing and not very > trust inspiring for the future. Unfortunately, when 'big bucks' are at stake, ethics and common sense seem to be expendable or in short supply; part of the reason I'm not practicing clinical medicine right now is my disgust with the HMO mentality. You really have to fight for your patients to get proper care, and it is difficult to keep that energy level in a 60-hour week (at least for me, but I will admit that that level of hostility really exhausts me - I know others who are able to shrug it off, however). I agree that gene therapy has great potential for good, but ought to be regulated carefully. I'm pretty sure that the University (Pennsylvania?) that was involved in the gene therapy death of recent note had its permit to conduct such research pulled; I do remember reading some debate in the journals about tighter regulations. Welcome to Corporate Medicine. Debbi who recently, while perusing the Goodwill's shelves, found an old SF paperback about 'when the world will be taken over by the Medicos!' and doctors make all decisions - hilarious blurb! But I didn't buy it... __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: S. Hussein uses body doubles for appearances
Shades of Kiln people if the US Gov't actually does go in and kill Hussein, what's to say they've actually killed the 'real' him? Jon GSV Duck Hunting in a Hall of Mirrors From: Reuters BERLIN (Sept. 26) - A German television network said on Thursday it had made a scientific study of 450 photographs of Saddam Hussein in Iraq and concluded there are at least three doubles posing as the Iraqi president. The ZDF public television network, working with a German coroner, said it took the photographs and film clips of Saddam which it had in its archives and used facial recognition technology to determine that men said to be him were look-alikes. "In the film sequences since 1998 only the doubles appear," said Dieter Buhmann, a Homburg coroner. "He himself has not been seen again." But in the program, ZDF said that the original Saddam reappeared on Iraq television on Saturday. It also quoted what it said was a former Iraq intelligence official describing how he had recruited doubles for Saddam. "It was a practice started for security reasons because Saddam traveled a lot at the time and had contact with the public," said the former intelligence official, now living abroad in opposition. ZDF said in the program, and on its Web site (www.heute.t-online.de), that "a scientific investigation proved the 65-year-old ruler allows at least three doubles to replace him at official appearances." ZDF said it was difficult to tell which were the doubles and which was the real Saddam Hussein. Minor details such as the size of the ears, hands and shape of the shoulders gave the look-alikes away, ZDF said. "They have apparently undergone surgery to appear to look like the statesman," ZDF said. "The doubles have mastered Saddam's gestures and perfectly mimic Saddam, with only tiny details separating them from the real Saddam Hussein." 09/26/02 18:21 ET Copyright 2002 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
> -Original Message- > From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 06:28 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"? > > > > From: Alberto Monteiro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Adam C. Lipscomb wrote: > > > > > >Julia, can I "ding" Jeffrey because he doesn't like > "Buffy"? *grin* > > > > > I think we should make a list of "you must like" and "you > must hate" > > TV shows. Maybe one violation can be tolerated, but two is > reason for > > summary expusion from the list. All this based on democracy and > > transparency > > _Twin Peaks_ is a must like. _Friends_ is a must hate. > _DragonBallZ_ is a must like. _Ed Edd & Eddy_ is a must hate. Well how about _Fire walk with me_? -j- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
> -Original Message- > From: Adam C. Lipscomb [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 04:24 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"? > > > Jeff said: > > Yes, yes, I spoke in haste and heat.. but dammit, I'm sick of 2 > things - being told OH-HOW-GREAT-_-IS, and being > asked to provide a dissertation on why I dislike something; > step off - not everything is reducable to a statistic. > > Well, I'm sorry I asked. I was just curious as to your > reasons for disliking "Buffy", and I hope you'll note that I > did not criticize your statements about it, although I have > to admit I don't agree with you. I noticed ^_^ Someone else lambasted me for not offering support for my opinion, combined with similar offline antagonism for not liking it. > Julia, can I "ding" Jeffrey because he doesn't like "Buffy"? *grin* Heh.. I'll ding myself then, too, for a boneheaded response :) -j- ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
J. van Baardwijk wrote: >Ahem. Care to give your opinion about which members (names please, >not descriptions) of this community fall in the "bad apple" >category? (On the old list there were some 300 subscribers, so that >would mean some 25-30 people on this list would fall in that >category.) You're laboring under the mistaken assumption that we're not *all* bad apples. :-) The average group might only have a 10% bad apple quotient, but Brin-L is anything but average. ;-) Jim Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
> From: J. van Baardwijk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Ahem. Care to give your opinion about which members (names > please, not > descriptions) of this community fall in the "bad apple" > category? (On the > old list there were some 300 subscribers, so that would mean > some 25-30 > people on this list would fall in that category.) I'm sure they were all lurkers. After all, if they were 'good apples' they would be posting, wouldn't they? ;-) - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer > > Every place in Texas that I've lived in has had forced air heating and > cooling. The thing to remember is that cooling is much more important that heating. Thus, the furnace just piggy-backs on the AC system. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
At 11:08 27-09-2002 -0300, Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > True, but the fact that the US still has the death penalty shows that > > it does not care about the wishes and opinions of the international > > community. > > >Bah. Using the death penalty is peanuts, compared to use of those >horrible evil pseudo-units, instead of the International Scientific >System Fear not, Alberto, it will be changed. Some day, when America is fighting yet another war, some of its soldiers will commit war crimes. They will be arrested by the British SAS and brought to The Hague to be tried by the International Criminal Court. The US will then keep its promise and invade The Netherlands. Europe will come to help the Dutch, and launch a massive strike against the US. Europe will then take control of the US and replace those Imperial units with metric units. Jeroen "Scenario Builder" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: venus de milo
Robert J. Chassell asked: > > Does an otherwise isolated planetary/stellar system > give off gravity waves? In other words, must such > gravity waves be counted as part of the system? > Yes, I think you must count them. > I have heard it said that the measurements of the changing > orbits of some binary neutron stars suggest that they are > giving off gravity waves, so that to conserve the total > energy of their system, their > angular momentum must decrease. Is this true? > Hmmm Fact: it was observed that the period of some binary stars decreased with time. So, something must be taking away angular momentum from them. One explanation could be those gravitational waves, that are *very* weak and very hard to measure [AFAIK, the experiments to measure them are still unconclusive]. But there are other, simpler, mechanisms to explain an apparent loss of angular momentum, for example, by taking into account matter that is ejected from the stars. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > > Jeroen wrote: > > > > True, but the fact that the US still has the death > > penalty shows that it does not care about the wishes > > and opinions of the international community. > > > Bah. Using the death penalty is peanuts, compared to > use of those horrible evil pseudo-units, instead of > the International Scientific System Bah. Tell that to the folks who are buried six feet under after having been executed. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
"Marvin Long, Jr." wrote: > > On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > Ooo! Ooo! Do you take VISA? :) > > > > I can only accept payment in charbroiled chicken-hearts. Darn, they're so small they fall through the grill rack. Ah, well (Plus there's the little issue of the grill being propane and not charcoal, but we won't go into that unless someone wants to play Hank Hill.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
Jeroen wrote: > > True, but the fact that the US still has the death > penalty shows that it does not care about the wishes > and opinions of the international community. > Bah. Using the death penalty is peanuts, compared to use of those horrible evil pseudo-units, instead of the International Scientific System Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 09:36 26-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > > > > Thanks, found it. Ah. Much better. Did you look in behind the radiator? > > > Tom's favourite place to "hide" things > > > >Radiator? I haven't lived in a place with a radiator since I was 8 > >years old. I have a friend who doesn't ever remember even *seeing* a > >radiator in her life. > > So, out of curiosity, how do you heat the various rooms in your house? > Floor heating? Wall heating? > > Campfires? :-) Forced air. We have a couple of heaters, and when the temperature at the thermostat drops low enough, the heater for that floor kicks in, and we get warm air blown through ceiling vents into the rooms. (We have a separate HVAC system for each floor; we had problems at the old house where it was all on one system that the downstairs was almost always colder than the upstairs, so Dan, in an effort to keep his office liveable, would practically freeze me out of mine at times.) Every place in Texas that I've lived in has had forced air heating and cooling. The house we moved into when I was 8 had electric baseboard heaters, and each room had its own thermostat. The house my mom is living in now has radiators, IIRC. (It's been about 3 years since I visited her there, and I only visited her there once.) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Brin: Agh... star wars
Bradford DeLong wrote: > >> You should write something _in favour_ of The Fellowship of >> the Rings The Movie, and against Tolkien's rig. _Then_ you >> would see a real flood of hate mail! > > Ahem... > > > http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/archives/000193.html > But I don't think you will get too much hate mail for this... > > Improvement in Characterization: The replacement of > Glorfindel by Arwen in the "flight to the ford" sequence. > Given how powerful Glorfindel is said to be in the book, > his failure to play any role at all in the rest of the > trilogy is a big puzzle: this is, after all, > the same guy who fought Gothmog, Lord of Balrogs, to a > standstill during the fall of Gondolin. > No. Ecthelion fought Gothmog. Glorfindel fought a lesser balrog. > > Major Plot Hole Closed: In the book, why doesn't Aragorn > follow Frodo and Sam when they strike out for Mordor? > Because Kalimac and Razanur were taken by the orcs, and they knew the secret of the Mission. If they were questioned, the Quest would be ruined. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brin-L" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Friday, September 27, 2002 1:24 AM Subject: cars, air > Lets see how long it takes the oil cartel to crush this: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm They won't have to.Where does the compressed air come from? Your website says: "The designers of e.Volution say it will be possible to merely plug the vehicle into any electrical power source to fill it up." Unless nuclear power makes as comeback, that means burning more coal or oil. Plus, since, IIRC, electrical power transmission has about 50% losses to homes, we're talking about even more fuel being burned. Dan M. Dan M. The four laws of thermodynamics are ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Deborah Harrell wrote: > ROTFLOL! > Just picturing Barnaby (or was it Barnabus? That was > a _long_ time ago!) and Spike having a conversation... > I never watched 'Blossom' but I presume it's about a > cute/spunky-yet-innocent girl? Typical teen-age coming-of-age sitcom, yeah. > To plagiarize my favorite haggis commercial: > "You're a wicked, wicked man!" I wish I got haggis commercials where I live. Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) "Two bits, four bits, six bits, a peso. If you're for Zorro, stand up and say so!" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
On Thu, 26 Sep 2002, Julia Thompson wrote: > Ooo! Ooo! Do you take VISA? :) > I can only accept payment in charbroiled chicken-hearts. Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) "Two bits, four bits, six bits, a peso. If you're for Zorro, stand up and say so!" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
At 08:31 27-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: >So, if I'm going to write a 1-line reply, all I have to do is create a >disclaimer admitting to the fact, and that has me covered? :) Technically speaking -- yes. Of course, we might then scold you for wasting bandwidth... :-) Jeroen "Life ain't fair" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
"J. van Baardwijk" wrote: > > At 16:32 26-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > > >Ooo! Ooo! Do you take VISA? :) > > > >(Yes, that's a one-line reply. Marvin is glib enough for both of us > >today.) > > Technically, that comment made it into a multiple-line reply. > > Which is all the better for you, because now we will not have to launch a > DoS attack against you for posting one-line replies. :-) So, if I'm going to write a 1-line reply, all I have to do is create a disclaimer admitting to the fact, and that has me covered? :) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Zonkeys, striped like zebras, built like donkeys
Robert Seeberger wrote: > > Julia? > I think that what we have near us are still real zebras. 1) There are a number of other animals on the same property that look like specific African species. (Some kind of gazelle? Anyway, it has a very distinctive kind of horn, and I never see that except in nature programs on Africa, and that property, and maybe in a zoo or two I've visited in the past.) 2) If they're crossbreeds like that, presumably they can't mate. I'm guessing the female wouldn't go into heat or otherwise put out signals to the male that he ought to, um, go for a horsey ride. And I saw him chasing one of the hers down yesterday and trying to go for a horsey ride. (Sammy was neither paying attention, nor speaking clearly enough for me to determine if he was asking about the activity, so I'm spared *that* question for now.) If I see a baby zebra down the line, that'll clinch it. (What's the gestation period for a zebra, anyway? Anyone know?) Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Tequila Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
At 20:18 26-09-2002 -0500, Robert Seeberger wrote: > According to the EPA, there are 6 measures of air pollution. Houston's > violation was on only one measure; ground-level ozone. In 1999 and > 2000 it was higher than other cities on this one measure, and for the > first time higher than Los Angeles. However, there are 5 other > measures of air pollution, and several cities (including Los Angeles) > violate at least 2 of these. I wonder how they would compare to the air quality in Bangkok (which IMO must be lethal to asthma patients). The Lonely Planet website describes it as "the steamy soupy diesel mixture that passes for air in this city". http://www.lonelyplanet.com/destinations/south_east_asia/thailand/ Been there. Breathed it. Miraculously survived it. Jeroen "That was not a joke" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
At 20:06 26-09-2002 -0500, The Fool wrote: > > > It's stupid because, it gives up the ability to have direct access to > > > the stored messages, they have to be parsed sequentially every time > > > they have to be accessed, which is a severe net loss in computer > > > processing time etc. > > > > That would have been a problem 20 years ago, but with the speed and > > computing power of current computer systems, you would need to have an > > extremely large file before you notice any dramatic net loss in computer > > processing time. > >I have > 3 messages in my mailbox since I last reset it. And you need access to all of them? Why not make a backup of the entire mailbox and then delete old stuff from the regular mailbox? Jeroen "Excess E-mail Delenda Est" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
At 17:15 26-09-2002 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: >I can't think of any big group that doesn't have it's fair share of jerks >and/or idiots; last time I recall seeing it, wasn't the "bad apple" >proportion of any population about 8-10%? Ahem. Care to give your opinion about which members (names please, not descriptions) of this community fall in the "bad apple" category? (On the old list there were some 300 subscribers, so that would mean some 25-30 people on this list would fall in that category.) Answer at your own risk... Jeroen "Flamethrower ready, sir!" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: venus de milo
Alberto, good explanation of planetary angular momentum. As you might guess, the total angular momentum of an isolated system - the sum of all those spin and orbital momenta of all bodies - is a constant vector. This reminds me of the problem that Planck solved. In the latter 19th century, people working with black body radiation wondered why electrons did not lose all their energy radiating electromagnetic radiation as they accelerated. Planck figured out that if small but discrete variations in energy were required before energy could leave such a system, then an electron could not lose energy, except when the energy change was big enough. Consequently, atoms would stay together as we known them, and the black body radiation curve would fit Planck's equation. Hence quantum mechanics. Quick question: Does an otherwise isolated planetary/stellar system give off gravity waves? In other words, must such gravity waves be counted as part of the system? I have heard it said that the measurements of the changing orbits of some binary neutron stars suggest that they are giving off gravity waves, so that to conserve the total energy of their system, their angular momentum must decrease. Is this true? -- Robert J. Chassell[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Rattlesnake Enterprises http://www.rattlesnake.com Free Software Foundation http://www.gnu.org GnuPG Key ID: 004B4AC8 ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Tequila Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
At 19:06 26-09-2002 -0400, Kevin Tarr wrote: >My cat's name is cat. His breath smells like cat food. Better his breath than yours... :-) Jeroen "Silly Mode" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Extremely bad smells
At 17:40 26-09-2002 -0500, Dan Minette wrote: >Skunk bothers me mainly for its strength, so I'll go along with that. But, >I'd also rank pig scat right up there too. Maybe a dog that rolled in that >and then chased a skunk would be the worst. :-) Well, so much for the attempt to attract new members by advertising the *intellectual* level of this community... :-) Jeroen "It seemed like a good idea at the time" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Intellectual output from the Arab World
At 16:37 26-09-2002 -0500, John Horn wrote: > > I recall a rant when people were calling Bush.Shrub. > >And, IIRC, that was even *before* he became president! The first mention of the word "Shrub" in relation to GWB that I could find in the Great Brin-L Archive is from July 28, 1999: At 15:09 28-07-1999 +, Julia Thompson wrote: >Would it make you feel any better to know a particular columnist refers to >him as "Shrub Bush"? Jeroen "Order 9 Archive Searches and get the 10th for free!" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
At 16:32 26-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: >Ooo! Ooo! Do you take VISA? :) > >(Yes, that's a one-line reply. Marvin is glib enough for both of us >today.) Technically, that comment made it into a multiple-line reply. Which is all the better for you, because now we will not have to launch a DoS attack against you for posting one-line replies. :-) Jeroen "Next time you won't be so lucky" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Anyone watch "Firefly"?
At 12:56 26-09-2002 -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: > > Much better! No facts at all, and hence nothing for you to be > > embarrassingly wrong about. > > > > Remember: 'just because' is always the best reason for an opinion. > >Oooh goody! You mean that I don't have to keep posting links to back up >my opinions on things?! I get to say whatever I want without having to >give any reason whatsoever?! Have you been asleep or something? The List Rule of "provide proof for your claims" was ditched months ago! > >That's more like it! This is going to be sooo much fun... Oh yeah! Now, about how I really feel about you... Jeroen "Flamethrower ready, sir!" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: [Brin-l] [TV] Anyone watch "Firefly"?
At 08:47 26-09-2002 -0700, Jeffrey Miller wrote: > > If you dislike this place so much, why are you still here? > > Nobody is forcing you to stay around, you are free to leave > > whenever you want. > >What, isn't there space for another doormat? ;) Well, we already got one on the inside -- maybe you want to apply for the job of Outside Doormat? :-) Just kidding. Just kidding. :-) >Yes, yes, I spoke in haste and heat.. but dammit, I'm sick of 2 things - >being told OH-HOW-GREAT-_-IS, and being asked to provide a >dissertation on why I dislike something; Actually, you are the only one who mentioned "dissertation"; others only asked why you dislike a show about a young blond skinny girl who denies vampires the right to exist. (Whaddaya mean, intolerant?) Jeroen "I suck your blood, therefore I exist" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
At 09:52 26-09-2002 -0500, Reggie Bautista wrote: >The UN has no resolutions that say member countries are not allowed to >have the death penalty. The UN has resolutions that encourage members to >abolish the death penalty, but no resolutions that say member countries >are not allowed to have the death penalty. True, but the fact that the US still has the death penalty shows that it does not care about the wishes and opinions of the international community. Jeroen "So, what else is new?" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Brain, brain, what is brain? Re: measles vs cancer
At 09:36 26-09-2002 -0500, Julia Thompson wrote: > > Thanks, found it. Ah. Much better. Did you look in behind the radiator? > > Tom's favourite place to "hide" things > >Radiator? I haven't lived in a place with a radiator since I was 8 >years old. I have a friend who doesn't ever remember even *seeing* a >radiator in her life. So, out of curiosity, how do you heat the various rooms in your house? Floor heating? Wall heating? Campfires? :-) Jeroen "My personality is warm enough" van Baardwijk __ Wonderful-World-of-Brin-L Website: http://www.Brin-L.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: venus de milo
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 11:21:15PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: > Debbi who finds it ironic that those who insist we must act _now_ > because of immediate danger from Iraq, and want to change a > long-standing policy of 'no first strike' to 'preemptive strike if we > think there is threat' also insist that there is not enough evidence > to even begin considering policy change in another arena of potential > threat Ironic isn't the word I'd have used. Depressing demonstration of human nature is more like it. Doing nothing is easy. Doing something is hard. In BOTH cases, we have people who would prefer to do the easy thing, nothing, and it seems to be human nature to ignore logic and evidence in order to "reason" that doing nothing is the right thing. By the way, I think the evidence that there is global warming is convincing. The evidence that human activity is solely or even mostly responsible is much LESS convincing. But the thing is, as far as deciding what to do about global warming right now, IT DOES NOT MATTER! The current scientific understanding of global warming/cooling cycles is inadequate. But whether we are warming now due primarily to humans, or because we are departing an "ice-age" type period (or some other reason), what needs to be done is more basic research to understand ALL of the mechanisms that can lead to global warming and cooling, and then (perhaps in parallel), applied research to see what we can do to control it. It is a mistake to put blinders on and only focus on mechanisms related to humans, even if that is the present cause of warming, because there may be a better way to counter warming. -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Boston Scientists Grow Teeth In Lab
On Thu, Sep 26, 2002 at 06:47:52PM -0700, Deborah Harrell wrote: > [thread combo] > How many of the 'Gothies' will want to get > vampire-type canines inserted? (although maybe > they'll have gotten real lives by then, so it won't be > an issue...) for vampires, wouldn't real dead ones be better? -- "Erik Reuter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.erikreuter.net/ ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Zonkeys, striped like zebras, built like donkeys
Julia? http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?Site=TO&Date=20020923&Categ ory=NEWS21&ArtNo=109230066&Ref=AR If you notice something that's not quite a donkey, not quite a zebra, and definitely not a horse grazing at the University of Findlay's farm, stop and take a closer look. Two zonkeys - half zebra, half donkey - are visiting the farm from New Mexico while their owner, former UF student David MacDonald, works on a project in Detroit. He thought exposing pre-veterinary and equestrian students to the extremely rare cross-breeds would be a great learning opportunity. "We get to teach them that these animals have a different attitude," Mr. MacDonald said, referring to their naturally wild side. "These students out here aren't just going to be working on quarter horses their whole lives." Dr. Michael Kerns, associate professor of animal science and director of veterinary services at the university, said the zonkeys have been a great addition to the horses and the more traditional "Old MacDonald" farm animals the students handle. "When you first see them, you take a double look," he said. "They look like donkeys, and then you think: Stripes? They have very outstanding stripes on them, so immediately you think of zebras." Lauren Murphy said she thought a pair of donkeys had arrived at the farm when she drove in one day and saw them grazing in the pasture. The stripes made her realize these were no donkeys, and the animals' demeanor emphasized that. "They make you appreciate the fact that they are still wild," the junior pre-vet major said. "The one definitely takes longer to warm up to people than the other one does. It makes you realize you have to go slow. You can't just rush right in." Dr. Kerns said he's using the opportunity to teach his students about interspecies crosses, how to read an animal's body language and temperament, and how to take a zonkey's temperature and listen to its heart and lungs. "I think it helps them to understand that it doesn't matter what the animal is. They all have hearts. They all have lungs," he said. Toni Bockelman, a senior pre-vet major, said none of the students has ridden the zonkeys, but they've led them around and watched Mr. MacDonald climb into their saddles. "It really amazes me how much more sensitive they are than horses," she said. "They're definitely very, very cool." Mr. MacDonald, a master blacksmith who specializes in architectural metal work, said he was a reluctant zonkey owner at first. The two zonkeys had been roaming free across New Mexico for about a year and a half when a client of his rounded them up along with some llamas. "I said a what and a what?" Mr. MacDonald recalled. "I thought they were some big, hairy, mutant things. I thought they'd be ugly." He said that when he finally got a look at them, he still wasn't sold. He knew it would take intensive time and work to break them. They were very flighty, easily spooked. "If you sneezed - anything - it would set them off," he said. Two years later, he's able to saddle and ride both Zena and Zelda. The two are 5-year-old half-sisters born three months apart from the same zebra stud but different donkey moms. They are a curiosity to passers-by and to animal lovers who like to check them out at the rodeos and demonstrations Mr. MacDonald has taken them to. While some crossbreeds, such as the sturdy, hard-working mule - which is a cross of a male donkey and a female horse - are very functional, the zonkey, Dr. Kerns suspects, is more of a novelty, a conversation piece. Mr. MacDonald said that in his case they've also been a boon to his metalsmith business in Los Lunas, N.M. Conversations about the zonkeys have led to quite a few job referrals, he said. "They're great advertising for me," he said. The zonkeys will be at UF's western equestrian farm for the next few weeks. The farm is located just south of Findlay, a quarter mile west of U.S. 68 on Township Road 40. xponent Chimera Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
Deborah Harrell wrote: > (The Friesian team had both elegance and biggerness; > that's the breed of (usually black) horse popularized > in America by the movie 'Ladyhawke.') If it ain't black it ain't as black as some people's soul it ain't a Friesian Horse (sp?). Unless you mean the extremely small white markings that are grudgingly allowed in the species. Sonja :o) GCU How about changing subjectlines to match the body of the text? :o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
Reggie Bautista wrote: > Sauza is the pure stuff, no worm, no fancy distilled water used in > processing, just fermented cactus juice. It tastes good really cold or > really hot (when drunk *hot* it tastes somewhat like Saki) and it strips > paint at 40 feet :-) Maybe I can use it on my staircase then Better not. Too many steps to go and I'm not sure I will make it to the top. I do love tequilla however, pure or thinned as in Margarita. Reminds me of the last time I had Margaritas I was pretty much wasted afterwards. That could of course also have been the Calvados I had after the meal or maybe it was the wine we had with the meal. Or was it the beer .? I'm getting a headache just remembering that evening. Sonja GCU ... ouch! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Gene therapy, was Re: measles vs cancer
Deborah Harrell wrote: > Viruses are really interesting, and a bit scary, to > study. If anyone's curious, I could find a site or > two to post. > > Insinuated Into Our Genes Maru At the moment I find gene therapy a bit scary. Especially after watching a documentary about how especially in the US (one of the leading countries doing research in that area) the amount of intertwinement between financial benefit and research causes really big problems for patients. You cannot trust the doc because he might gain a couple a billions from you getting the one lucky treatment. If you don't, ah well tough luck. What shocked me even more is that even after such a tangle, resulting in dire consequences for a patient is found, there is nothing much done about it except maybe a little slap on the wrist and some bad publicity. I find that very disturbing and not very trust inspiring for the future. I do feel we need legislation and we need the current legeslation to be very rigidly enforced untill the technique is much better understood than it is now and the human related research is out of its infancy. Then it might become a trusted and widely applied tool to improve and even save a lot of lives. Sonja ROU: All is fair in war and ... commerce. ;o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: cars, air
The Fool said: > Lets see how long it takes the oil cartel to crush this: > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/988265.stm Umless I've missed something I'm guessing they must have crushed it already - the date at the top of that piece is the 24th October 2000? Apparently they should have been rolling off the production line in early 2002. It does sound interesting though! Rik. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
