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Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
Been stewing over this for a few days. Not impressed by the tone or the allegation of putting words in someone's mouth. Matt Grimaldi wrote: > Ray Ludenia wrote: >> >> John D. Giorgis wrote: >> >>> At 05:13 PM 9/24/2002 -0700 Matt Grimaldi wrote: The Fool wrote: > > He implied I was anti-arab. I don't take that from anyone. >>> >>> Maybe you're a public figure and therfore that comment is perfectly fine. :) >> > > Hold on, buddy! I did not write that, John D. Giorgis did. > > Please keep your attributions accurate. > > John, you should have deleted the line with my > name on it, in your original post, as you didn't > quote any of my words. This would have made it > harder for Ray to put your words in my mouth. > > -- Matt Now YOU hold on buddy! You blame ME for putting words in your mouth. Even though _if_ anyone needs to be censured for this bit of trivial offence it is JDG. You realised how my "transgression" came about. To add insult, you then snip my actual comment! It clearly addressed John by name, and thus could hardly be construed as implying that you made the innocuous comment. Below is my post reproduced in full: John D. Giorgis wrote: > At 05:13 PM 9/24/2002 -0700 Matt Grimaldi wrote: >> The Fool wrote: >>> >>> He implied I was anti-arab. I don't take that from anyone. > > Maybe you're a public figure and therfore that comment is perfectly fine. :) John, are you implying that it is alright to malign public figures on this list??? How's that for an invitation for a "rant"? :-) Regards, Ray. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: U.N. Upholds Ban on 'Dwarf Throwing'
Jim Sharkey wrote: > >> Ok, so you aren't really sick of laws protecting people from >> themselves, right? > > I don't believe I was making that point at all by saying > there are limits. > Those are your words. Should I tell you to get back and read the files? :-P > You don't believe that a law that protects a dwarf's > dignity by making him give up his job is a ridiculous > example of protecting people from something they don't > need protecting from? > I don't know > Admitting that there are times when the needs of > society outweigh the needs of the individual does > not equate with saying there are also times that > society has its head up its collective ass. > So, the problem is just how much or how less should society interfere in peer-to-peer relationships, right? The dwarf case *is* something that should go to the UNO, because there are dwarfs all over the world. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Acronyms (was: Firefly)
On Fri, 27 Sep 2002, Deborah Harrell wrote: > Did I miss the explanation of 'LLP?' Dan & Nick answered this one. > And why not grilled Rocky Mountain oysters? grin> But that would be nuts! (Or maybe I just haven't the balls...) Marvin Long Austin, Texas Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly the USA) "Two bits, four bits, six bits, a peso. If you're for Zorro, stand up and say so!" ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: U.N. Upholds Ban on 'Dwarf Throwing'
Alberto Monteiro wrote: >Jim Sharkey wrote: >> >>>Ok, so you aren't really sick of laws protecting people from >>>themselves, right? >> >>I don't believe I was making that point at all by saying >>there are limits. >> >Those are your words. Should I tell you to get back >and read the files? :-P I think we're misunderstanding each other here. I was saying that I was not backing from my original statement that I am sick of some of these laws. Perhaps adding the word "some" makes it more clear? >>You don't believe that a law that protects a dwarf's >>dignity by making him give up his job is a ridiculous >>example of protecting people from something they don't >>need protecting from? >> >I don't know It is a tough question, isn't it? I mean, suppose that this fellow doesn't have any other skills that would allow him to support himself as well as his chosen "profession?" Is it then incumbent on the government that took his job away with this law to train him in something else? > > > Admitting that there are times when the needs of > > society outweigh the needs of the individual does > > not equate with saying there are also times that > > society has its head up its collective ass. > > > So, the problem is just how much or how less should > society interfere in peer-to-peer relationships, > right? Yes, I'd say so. > > The dwarf case *is* something that should go to the UNO, > because there are dwarfs all over the world. I'll grant you that point. I just don't think that it is up to the UNO to decide what an individual should do for his employment, at least as it regards negative social stigma. Think about the jobs in your country that carry one. Should they stop being performed because they do? Jim Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Acronyms (was: Firefly)
Marvin Long, Jr. wrote: > > And why not grilled Rocky Mountain oysters? > grin> > > But that would be nuts! (Or maybe I just haven't the balls...) O, the pain!! The pain!!! It's a good thing that puns aren't a punishable offense in this country, Marvin, or you'd be doing some serious time. :) Jim Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: U.N. Upholds Ban on 'Dwarf Throwing'
Jim Sharkey wrote: > >> Those are your words. Should I tell you to get back >> and read the files? :-P > > I think we're misunderstanding each other here. > Isn't this the fun of e-mail? :-) >>> You don't believe that a law that protects a dwarf's >>> dignity by making him give up his job is a ridiculous >>> example of protecting people from something they don't >>> need protecting from? >> >> I don't know > > It is a tough question, isn't it? > Yep > I mean, suppose that this fellow doesn't have any other > skills that would allow him to support himself as well > as his chosen "profession?" Is it then incumbent on > the government that took his job away with this law > to train him in something else? > What if *all* dwarfs in the world could only work as projectiles in this dwarf-throwing game? >> The dwarf case *is* something that should go to the UNO, >> because there are dwarfs all over the world. > > I'll grant you that point. I just don't think that it > is up to the UNO to decide what an individual should > do for his employment, at least as it regards negative > social stigma. Think about the jobs in your country > that carry one. Should they stop being performed > because they do? > Some jobs are necessary. Other jobs aren't. Those jobs that are *not* necessary, and that induce a negative social stigma should be limited, if not eliminated at all. BTW, in this particular case, I think there's nothing horrible about being used as a projectile, but I am not a dwarf [at least not in this mailing list :-)]. IMHO it should be the dwarfs' responsibility to decide about this issue, and then the UNO could act, based on their decision. Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Zonkeys, striped like zebras, built like donkeys
--- Ronn Blankenship wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > > >As for riding - have you ever sat a donkey? It is > not > >a comfortable experience. And zebras are worse, so > >I'd bet the combo is poor. The only 'zorse' (zebra > X > >horse) owner I met said it was like a mule as far > as physicallly riding (ie. not bad), > > > Is that with or without a saddle? > > Mules--at least the ones my backside has had > firsthand experience > with--tend to be constructed in such a way that > their backbone makes a > rather significant ridge down the middle of the > sitting area, whereas > horses--again, at least the ones my backside has had > firsthand experience > with--are noticeably flatter in that region . . . I haven't ridden a donkey since I was a child, and it's been years since the last mule, the latter _with_ a saddle, so I can't comment on mules bareback. As for horses, it depends on the breed, conditioning and age - Quarter Horses tend to have what I call "squishy" ie. comfortable backs, whereas the 27 year-old Arab I occ. ride has a spine that will crease your backside - pad or saddle, please! > >but mentally a very challenging creature. > IOW, it takes even more than the traditional whack > across the noggin with a > 2x4 in order to get their attention? Now, then, no violence in the arena, please! Mules are much misunderstood: just because they won't go when you say, or where you say, and try to scrape you off on every tree and boulder, and step 'accidentally' on your feet, is that justification to vilify them? Actually, I have met at least one friendly mule, but overall they really do require a lot of one-on-one work to develop respect for a rider. In a Leon Uris novel about Gallipoli (well, it was also about Irish immigrants to New Zealand, and Irish rebels in Ireland - don't recall the title...Trinity?), there are a couple of chapters devoted to mules and their superiority to horses in certain situations (war, in mountainous terrain particularly - as in 'Tennessee mules sent to Afghanistan to help the muhajideen'). Mules definitely have a wicked sense of humor. The Battery Mule Song Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
--- Sonja wrote: > Another horse around here is the Belgian coldblood. > Amazingly it is > still rather widespread. Some of the farmers use > them to do haycar rides > and short trecks to local attractions in summer. > Some even use them on > the farm to work the land. When Tom is a little > older I'm going to take > him onto a treck. I hope that he'll love it. There are Belgian teams that pull beer wagons in parades here (Miller, I think); at the last Colorado State Fair I went to, there was a draft horse pull: no whip or rein-slapping allowed, just verbal commands. The winning Belgians' performance was impressive: at the driver's quiet "and Set..." the horses rocked back onto their quarters; at "..HUP!" they slammed into their collars as one, and didn't stop until the sledge crossed the line. (They also did plowing and lumber work the rest of the year.) > Personally I'm into big horses. The bigger the > better. Getting onto them > is hell but most of them have such gentle > personallities. It's the falling off that concerns me! 'Fraid I'll stick to my Arabs and half-Arabs, thanks (although their fiery spirits do make for the not-infrequent heart-stopping ride...Darby in a mood is quite the challenge!). Rip-Snorting Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
Deborah Harrell wrote: > There are Belgian teams that pull beer wagons in > parades here (Miller, I think); at the last Colorado > State Fair I went to, there was a draft horse pull: no > whip or rein-slapping allowed, just verbal commands. > The winning Belgians' performance was impressive: at > the driver's quiet "and Set..." the horses rocked back > onto their quarters; at "..HUP!" they slammed into > their collars as one, and didn't stop until the sledge > crossed the line. (They also did plowing and lumber > work the rest of the year.) Ooo, I love watching horse-pulling competitions (or "hoss-pullin'", as I heard it in Rockingham Co., NH). The horses that compete seem to really enjoy doing a good job, which is always enjoyable to see. Julia ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: god vs science
--- The Fool wrote: > http://proliberty.com/observer/20020907.htm "She goes on to say that doctors need to understand that vaccines contain toxic ingredients and foreign DNA that do not belong in the bodies of people. She believes it is up to ordinary citizens to insist that physicians do the reading and the math. When they have done their homework, Dr. Tenpenny claims that it becomes nearly impossible for physicians to justify vaccinating children as the most intelligent way to immunize them from childhood diseases." I don't have the time at the moment, but I will respond more fully later; however, I must point out that a mere 50 years ago, people feared summer as 'the season of polio' and that 'iron lungs' became a thing of the past once vaccinations were available. Also, DNA is _not_ part of all (or even most) vaccines; many are made of the _outer_ coats of bacteria or viruses. Debbi __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: god vs science
> "She goes on to say that doctors need to understand > that vaccines contain toxic ingredients and foreign > DNA that do not belong in the bodies of people. So does food. Let's stop eating! Alberto Monteiro ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: god vs science
Deborah Harrell wrote: > > --- The Fool wrote: > > http://proliberty.com/observer/20020907.htm > > "She goes on to say that doctors need to understand > that vaccines contain toxic ingredients and foreign > DNA that do not belong in the bodies of people. She > believes it is up to ordinary citizens to insist that > physicians do the reading and the math. When they have > done their homework, Dr. Tenpenny claims that it > becomes nearly impossible for physicians to justify > vaccinating children as the most intelligent way to > immunize them from childhood diseases." > > I don't have the time at the moment, but I will > respond more fully later; however, I must point out > that a mere 50 years ago, people feared summer as 'the > season of polio' and that 'iron lungs' became a thing > of the past once vaccinations were available. Also, > DNA is _not_ part of all (or even most) vaccines; many > are made of the _outer_ coats of bacteria or viruses. I hadn't gotten to that link yet (started working my way backwards through the list of links to check, only got through the one extremely long one with the Loftus testimony, in the "terrorism in america" post Kneem sent yesterday), but you pushed me to it. :) I, too, have a number of things to say about it. Just picking on polio, for one: 1) Sometime in the first decade of the 20th century (1904 or 1905), my grandmother's sister woke up and couldn't walk. Her doctor father checked her out, couldn't find anything immediately wrong, but decided she was right. He made her a crutch. By the end of the next day, she was chasing my grandmother around the house and hitting her with the crutch. Her father figured it had been polio. She recovered just fine. 2) Sometime in the late 1930s, my mother's brother was sick with something. After he recovered, *his* doctor father noticed he was walking with a limp, and figured it had been polio. He was never terribly athletic, and retained a very slight limp throughout the rest of his childhood. So he *mostly* recovered. 3) Sometime in the 1950s, not quite sure exactly which year, there was a polio outbreak that killed my father's brother (the one who had been most like a father to him after *their* father had died), left one of his wife's legs much thinner than the other, and crippled their young son. (I think he was 3 at the time.) Given everything polio has done to my family, damned if I'm going to let it do anything more. Sure, there are risks with any vaccine, but I would much rather roll *those* dice than not have my child immunized and roll *that* particular set of dice. It's a lot nicer to spend a day or two comforting a child who's having a reaction from a vaccine or three than to actually deal with the child getting the disease and being *sick* for a lot longer than that, and possibly carry effects of that illness for the rest of his life (if he *has* a "rest of his life" after the illness). Oh, and you can contain a disease without vaccinating 100% of the population, but if the vaccination rate falls too low, the unvaccinated will be sitting ducks, the lot of them. And that's totally unfair to the ones who weren't vaccinated due to contraindications, because they'll probably be hit harder. If you're not going to vaccinate your kid for some non-medical ideological reason, I don't want him anywhere near mine. (So THERE! :P) Julia who skipped one childhood vaccination due to medical contraindications, and who really doesn't appreciate others willfully putting people like her at an extra risk ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: god vs science
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On > Behalf Of Alberto Monteiro > Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 2:17 PM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: god vs science > > > > > > "She goes on to say that doctors need to understand > > that vaccines contain toxic ingredients and foreign > > DNA that do not belong in the bodies of people. > > So does food. Let's stop eating! And get rid of those darn mitochondria. They're outsiders, too. Nick ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
--- Dan Minette wrote: > [Deborah wrote] > > --- Dan Minette wrote: > > > > >I also get the feeling that many on the > > > list are extremely > > > individualistic and think that loyalty to party, > > > church, civic groups is for chumps. > > > > Mmm, I'd say that _unquestioning_ loyalty to any > large group of people is not chumpish, but naive. > > That wasn't really what I was talking about. I was > thinking more about the > increasing disconnect in American society. It goes > with the discardable > society. For example, there use to be a lot of > employment loyalty... > This has even spread to churches. "Church shopping" > for a place that meets > one's needs is very common... We are very consumer > oriented, not only in buying, but in relationships. > Its not even what have > you done for me lately; its what will you do for me > tomorrow? > > Loyalty to someone doesn't mean being blind to their > faults. It means > sticking with them, even with their faults. > Sticking with someone doesn't > mean you will agree with what they do... > > I am very loyal to my friends and my principles, > but I > > will not place boundless trust in any organization > or > > group; I have not seen any that merit it. > > Boundless trust is one thing. Sticking with them, > even when you know they > mess up, even though sticking with them means tough > love is another... > > Now, as the Democratic leadership stated in arguing > with Bush, patriotism > does not mean blind acceptance of what the leaders > of an organization says... > So, I guess this reply isn't really to tell you I > think your position is > wrong; just that it addresses a different point than > the one I was trying to make. I see your point, and we were indeed addressing different aspects of loyalty. Certainly I am 'loyal' to, frex, health professionals as a whole; the vast majority of those I have met, from clerks and janitors through dieticians and X-ray techs to nurses and doctors, are conscientious people who truly want to help others and take pride in doing their work to the best of their ability. For many it is not just a job, but a calling, one that has them 'going beyond the bounds of duty.' That scumbags exist in any given field does not lessen my regard for the whole - I did not mean to give that impression at all. Debbi "But yield who will to their separation, My object in living is to unite My avocation and my vocation As my two eyes make one in sight." (IIRC- Robert Frost, from 'Two Tramps in Mud Time.') __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
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Re: Extremely bad dog-related smells
--- Julia Thompson wrote: > Robert Seeberger wrote: > > You should be ashamed! > > People should be forced to urinate on their > gardens in order to keep the > > animals away. It might be chemical, and it might > be biological, but at least its natural! > > > > xponent > > Squirt Guns Filled With Warm Piss Maru > > Well, that'll work on herbivores, if it's carnivore > piss, and may very > well work on keeping out dogs, but will that work > for cats? > > Julia > > Inquiring Minds Maru Well, male domestic cats will 'overmark' any other cats' mark, and likewise female leopards and wolves mark their territories (IIRC), so my guess would be 'no.' At least for human urine, since cats are higher on the pyramid . I don't know about coyote urine, though; both foxes and coyotes will hunt and eat domestic cats, so cats might avoid that... Yellow Journalism Maru (I think they actually market coyote urine extract!) __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Baby bottles etc. Re: 33lb's of uranium
This header brings to mind...Superman? "The Atomic Cafe?" "What does Tommy the Turtle do when he sees 'the Flash?'" "Duck!...and cover!" Cute Little Jingle Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Acronyms (was: Firefly)
--- "Marvin Long, Jr." wrote:
> Deborah Harrell wrote:
>
> > Did I miss the explanation of 'LLP?'
>
> Dan & Nick answered this one.
I have since passed on the joke (re: 'Formerly the
USA') to the laughs and then thoughtful frowns ("Hey,
that's actually a horrible thought!") of friends.
>
> > And why not grilled Rocky Mountain oysters? > grin>
>
> But that would be nuts! (Or maybe I just haven't
> the balls...)
Would you testify to that in a court of law?
> Marvin Long
> Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, & Ashcroft, LLP (Formerly
> the USA)
>
> "Two bits, four bits, six bits, a peso. If you're
> for Zorro, stand up and say so!"
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Re: Theism, atheism, and in-between
--- Reggie Bautista wrote: > Here's an analogy I've heard: Imagine a statue the > size of the entire > United States. Imagine that this statue is > incredibly detailed. You can > spend your whole life studying the details of one > small area, maybe > occasionally stepping back to get a bigger picture > view. But the further > back you stand, the less detail you see. > > I think the point of this analogy is that there are > a lot of different > beliefs, a lot of different ways of believing, but > maybe all beliefs (or > most, or at least many) are simply describing > details from different parts of the statue. And I recall the story of the seven blind men and the elephant: one feels the tusk and states the elephant is like a spear; another the leg, 'A pillar!' and still another the ear, "No, it's like a fan!' The side = a wall. The trunk = a snake. The tail = a rope. The forehead = a rock. They all argue at the top of their voices, each _certain_ he is right; the elephant, amused, walks back into the jungle. Or Something Like That Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: bush, bc weapons
--- The Fool posted: > http://www.sfbg.com/36/51/x_news_war.html "As one might imagine, breeding and deploying a living attack organism is a treacherous endeavor. According to the seven-page Navy proposal, the first concern is that scientists could accidentally unleash deadly or dangerous bugs in the laboratory. The second potential problem is that the bioweapons could mutate into something seriously frightening when released on the battlefield. "Field robustness is a concern because of the wide variety of environmental conditions that could be encountered by the microbial products when employed in different warfighting scenarios," the Navy document reads." I remember reading a novel _Mutant 59: The Plastic Eaters_ about a microbe gengineered to degrade/eat plastic, to help clean up the environment, but it escaped and later wreaked havoc on a plastic-dependent world. Imagine an oil-eating microbe dropped into the Middle East... Forked Tongue Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Attack Iraq, Alone If We Must
Ooops! Somehow I messed up on this, because the sentence between the < >, now marked by ***, was of course written by me, not Dan! > --- Dan Minette wrote: >*** was > disagreeing with the concept of 'blind loyalty,' and > that is not what Dan meant.>*** > > > [Deborah wrote] > > > --- Dan Minette wrote: > > > > > > >I also get the feeling that many on the > > > > list are extremely > > > > individualistic and think that loyalty to > party, > > > > church, civic groups is for chumps. > > > > > > Mmm, I'd say that _unquestioning_ loyalty to any > > large group of people is not chumpish, but naive. Reread _Before_ You Hit Send! Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Horses, was Re: Intellectual output from the Arab World
--- Julia wrote: > Deborah Harrell wrote: > >...at the last Colorado > > State Fair I went to, there was a draft horse > pull: no > > whip or rein-slapping allowed, just verbal > commands. > > The winning Belgians' performance was impressive: > at > > the driver's quiet "and Set..." the horses rocked > back > > onto their quarters; at "..HUP!" they slammed into > > their collars as one, and didn't stop until the > sledge > > crossed the line. > > Ooo, I love watching horse-pulling competitions (or > "hoss-pullin'", as I > heard it in Rockingham Co., NH). The horses that > compete seem to really > enjoy doing a good job, which is always enjoyable to > see. The teamwork and competitive spirit of a truly 'tight' human/animal group amazes me. Whether it's huskies or horses pulling, a true team works in such unity that sometimes you don't see how the human is necessary - but s/he is. To have their trust and eagerness is both joyful and humbling at once. Poor 'Hoss's' Leg Was Easy To Pull Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The West Wing
So am I. She's a very good actress. you're welcome. john On Saturday, Sep 28, 2002, at 20:17 US/Eastern, Julia Thompson wrote: > John Garcia wrote: > >> I said it was uninteresting because most of it all happened off >> camera, >> but now that I think about it, it is probably the beginning of an arc >> revolving around Abby Bartlett's complicity in covering up her >> husband's MS, and that will be a key point in the Republican campaign. >> That might not be a bad thing for viewers, since we'll see more of >> Stockard Channing. > > I am among those viewers who enjoy seeing Stockard Channing. :) > > Thanks! > > Julia > ___ > http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l > ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: U.N. Upholds Ban on 'Dwarf Throwing'
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Some jobs are necessary. Other jobs aren't. Those jobs > that are *not* necessary, and that induce a negative > social stigma should be limited, if not eliminated at > all. Hrm. In Japan in particular, but also in the US, there are entire game shows dedicated to people publicly humiliating themselves. Is it the UN's responsibility to police those, I wonder? Should those people be prevented from going on those shows, or is it a different topic since it's not called "Idiot humiliation" or something like that, setting aside the idiots? :-) Jim Changed your e-mail? Keep your contacts! Use this free e-mail change of address service from Return Path. Register now! ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
http://www.cnn.com/2002/EDUCATION/09/26/creationism.evolution/index.html A suburban Atlanta school board Thursday night voted unanimously to allow teachers to introduce students to different views about the origins of life. The Cobb County Board of Education, the state's second-largest school board, approved the policy change after limited discussion, calling it a "necessary element of providing a balanced education." The board's vote drew cheers from some and expressions of dismay from others in the packed meeting room. "This supposed victory [by proponents of alternate theories] was shallow, very shallow," said Jeffrey Selman. Selman and other opponents believe the new policy is a step toward introducing religion -- in particular, creationism -- in public schools. "We're going to be watching this very closely." rob The school board from my home area, one of the members had a rant during a meeting about music being played around school and sporting events. It started normally, then he started talking about the DJ's behavior. Then somehow he tied in metal music with satan worshiping and the occult and, wait for it, Harry Potter. The others members thanked him for his comments and promised it would be looked into. Kevin T. And so it begins ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Acronyms (was: Firefly)
On Mon, 30 Sep 2002, Deborah Harrell wrote:
> I have since passed on the joke (re: 'Formerly the
> USA') to the laughs and then thoughtful frowns ("Hey,
> that's actually a horrible thought!") of friends.
I wish I could claim it as my own, but -- alas -- like so much of my
wisdom, it was plagiarized from somebody's bumper sticker.
> > > And why not grilled Rocky Mountain oysters? > > grin>
> >
> > But that would be nuts! (Or maybe I just haven't
> > the balls...)
>
> Would you testify to that in a court of law?
No problem! I can state with 100% honesty that I have no bull testicles
in my 'fridge. :-)
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Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
Kevin Tarr wrote: > The school board from my home area, one of the members had a rant during a > meeting about music being played around school and sporting events. It > started normally, then he started talking about the DJ's behavior. Then > somehow he tied in metal music with satan worshiping and the occult and, > wait for it, Harry Potter. OK, now, how do you tie in *metal* with Harry Potter? Julia whose mind was more boggled by *that* than the record-breaking half the Ravens just had ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution > > OK, now, how do you tie in *metal* with Harry Potter? Doesn't Harry show his metal in many a tight spot? Wait, that's mettle; nevermind. Dan M. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
- Original Message - From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 9:56 PM Subject: Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution > Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > The school board from my home area, one of the members had a rant during a > > meeting about music being played around school and sporting events. It > > started normally, then he started talking about the DJ's behavior. Then > > somehow he tied in metal music with satan worshiping and the occult and, > > wait for it, Harry Potter. > > OK, now, how do you tie in *metal* with Harry Potter? > Metal Music > Satan Worship > Occultism > Harry Potter Simple! Or at least it always was for my ex-wife. When I first met her She wouldnt let her daughter go "Trick or Treating" because Halloween was a "Satanic" holiday. xponent Enough To Make One Disbelieve Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
> From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > > > The school board from my home area, one of the members had a rant during > a > > > meeting about music being played around school and sporting events. It > > > started normally, then he started talking about the DJ's behavior. Then > > > somehow he tied in metal music with satan worshiping and the occult and, > > > wait for it, Harry Potter. > > > > OK, now, how do you tie in *metal* with Harry Potter? > > > Metal Music > Satan Worship > Occultism > Harry Potter > > Simple! > > Or at least it always was for my ex-wife. > > When I first met her She wouldnt let her daughter go "Trick or Treating" > because Halloween was a "Satanic" holiday. In what way is halloween any more pagan/occultic/etc. than christmas, easter, or valentines day? They all come from ancient pagan god worship. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
RE: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
> From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > When I first met her She wouldnt let her daughter go "Trick or > Treating" > > because Halloween was a "Satanic" holiday. > > In what way is halloween any more pagan/occultic/etc. than christmas, > easter, or valentines day? They all come from ancient pagan > god worship. IIRC, All Hallow's Eve is the night before All Saints Day a Catholic (?) holiday. On All Hallow's Eve, the dead can walk the earth or something like that. So it isn't really pagan. Or I could be wrong... - jmh ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Blast from the past....HR Pufnstuf
This is truly a blast from my past... Freddy The Magic Flute. Now all we need is Witchy-Poo to make this complete http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1566623563&rd=1 Gary - who thinks a dragon that wears white cowboy boots may not go over so well in 2002 :-) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
- Original Message - From: "The Fool" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:29 PM Subject: Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution > > From: Robert Seeberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > From: "Julia Thompson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Kevin Tarr wrote: > > > > > > > The school board from my home area, one of the members had a rant > during > > a > > > > meeting about music being played around school and sporting events. > It > > > > started normally, then he started talking about the DJ's behavior. > Then > > > > somehow he tied in metal music with satan worshiping and the occult > and, > > > > wait for it, Harry Potter. > > > > > > OK, now, how do you tie in *metal* with Harry Potter? > > > > > Metal Music > Satan Worship > Occultism > Harry Potter > > > > Simple! > > > > Or at least it always was for my ex-wife. > > > > When I first met her She wouldnt let her daughter go "Trick or > Treating" > > because Halloween was a "Satanic" holiday. > > In what way is halloween any more pagan/occultic/etc. than christmas, > easter, or valentines day? They all come from ancient pagan god worship. > First you have to remember my ex-wife was a fairly extreme fundementalist. Then you must know that she suffered from mental illness. After that throw in that she was as prone to belief in conspiracy theories as you *seem* to be. (Not trying to be insulting here ) She believed a lot of wierd stuff, had bizarre confabulations (under hypnosis), was a sexual abuse survivor, a republican, and felt some of the strongest faith in God of anyone I have ever known. In some ways she was wierd, but she is also one of the most human people I have ever met. xponent I Dont Miss Her Much Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution
- Original Message - From: "Horn, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 30, 2002 10:24 PM Subject: RE: Georgia school board OKs alternatives to evolution > > From: The Fool [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > > When I first met her She wouldnt let her daughter go "Trick or > > Treating" > > > because Halloween was a "Satanic" holiday. > > > > In what way is halloween any more pagan/occultic/etc. than christmas, > > easter, or valentines day? They all come from ancient pagan > > god worship. > > IIRC, All Hallow's Eve is the night before All Saints Day a Catholic (?) > holiday. On All Hallow's Eve, the dead can walk the earth or something like > that. So it isn't really pagan. > > Or I could be wrong... > No, you are right . But it is also the feast of Samhain, when the dead walk the earth. Actually the catholics coopted the holiday to satisfy the newly converted Celts. xponent Booga Booga Maru rob ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Two Towers trailer
Rob wrote: > http://www.lordoftherings.net/index_101b_fi_vide.html > > > xponent > Words Are Useless Maru Swet. George Lucas, you are Peter Jackson's b*tch. Adam C. Lipscomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Your reality, sir, is lies and balderdash and I'm delighted to say that I have no grasp of it whatsoever." -- Baron Karl Friedrich Hieronymous von Munchausen ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Motivations
If our motivations for a "regime change" are really based on the threat of Iraq's WOMD, the U.S. should pledge that they will take no profit from the endeavor. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A18841-2002Sep14.html "It's pretty straightforward," said former CIA director R. James Woolsey, who has been one of the leading advocates of forcing Hussein from power. "France and Russia have oil companies and interests in Iraq. They should be told that if they are of assistance in moving Iraq toward decent government, we'll do the best we can to ensure that the new government and American companies work closely with them." Doug ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: The Two Towers trailer
--- Robert Seeberger wrote: > http://www.lordoftherings.net/index_101b_fi_vide.html > > Words Are Useless Maru Shadowfax! Shadowfax! A Prince among horses, forsooth! His shining mane, his banner'd tail - Noro lim! (Reading TLotR resulted in the Elvish renaming of nearly all my model horses - somewhere I probably still have the list... ) Fatty Lumpkin Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Motivations
At 09:42 PM 9/30/2002 -0700 Doug wrote: >"It's pretty straightforward," said former CIA director R. James >Woolsey, who has been one of the leading advocates of forcing Hussein >from power. "France and Russia have oil companies and interests in Iraq. >They should be told that if they are of assistance in moving Iraq toward >decent government, we'll do the best we can to ensure that the new >government and American companies work closely with them." Would you support an attack on Iraq if the UN support for it was bought with bribes promised to two UN Security Council members with another country's resources? After all, that is essentially what is being advocated here - that we conquer Iraq and then tell the conquered Iraqis exactly *which* companies to trade with for their resources. Moreover, what does this say for the moral legitmacy of the United Nations? Just curious. I'd also love to see a response from you regarding my comparison of the charges against Milosevic and the charges against Hussein and why you supported a non-UN-supported attack on one, but oppose a non-UN-supported attack on the other? JDG ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Blast from the past....HR Pufnstuf
--- Gary Nunn wrote: > > This is truly a blast from my past... Freddy The > Magic Flute. Now all we > need is Witchy-Poo to make this complete > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1566623563&rd=1 > > Gary > - who thinks a dragon that wears white cowboy > boots may not go over so well in 2002 :-) I confess to watching this every Saturday; but I still say it can't compare to the Banana Splits! :D http://www.dfcom.freeserve.co.uk/hbw/banana/index.htm (this site has the music, too ;D) Tra-la-la, la lala-la Maru __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Motivations
John D. Giorgis wrote: >Would you support an attack on Iraq if the UN support for it was bought >with bribes promised to two UN Security Council members with another >country's resources? > But isn't the CIA just advocating protecting the existing interests? These are countries that already have extensive investments in oil and infrastructure there that they don't want to lose. Very much like when Indonesia wanted to invade the soveriegn nation of Irian Jaya, but the US wouldn't let them until the Indonesians promised not to interfere with US investment, and promised that the US would be allowed to make new contracts regarding the extraction of the mineral wealth of Irian Jaya. It was good for the USA in 1961 Cheers Russell C. ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: U.N. Upholds Ban on 'Dwarf Throwing'
Alberto Monteiro wrote: > Jim Sharkey wrote: > > > > I am so sick of laws protecting people from themselves. > > > Would you support people selling themselves as slaves? > Or people selling essencial body parts, like a cornea? Isn't this happening? I mean selling one kidney, selling blood, or selling ones labour or even ones body or a child to escape poverty is AFAIK still common practice. And slave labour is still common enough to not be discounted from reality. So,... so much for protecting people from themselves. We should put more effort in protecting people from poverty, before climbing onto our noble horses (wink at Debbi) and start protecting them from themselves by taking away their livelyhood, without offering any alternatives. Or that was what it was all about in the first place... wasn't it? :o) Sonja GCU The world we live in is so unfair :o) ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Scouted: Space Medicine
Artificial gravity, shielding, medication replicators - the Enterprise's Sick Bay is getting closer to reality. > NASA Science News for September 30, 2002 > > So you think a 6-hour car trip is tough on your > body? How about a > six-month trip to Mars? In this story, researchers > discuss how to keep > astronauts safe and healthy during long trips > through the solar system. > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/30sept_spacemedicine.htm?list818490 GSV Bricklayer __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Fwd: Sneak Preview of an Extraordinary Movie
> On October 2nd, NASA TV plans to broadcast the first > live video from a > space shuttle's fuel tank as it soars into Earth > orbit on the belly of > Atlantis and falls back again. > http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2002/26sept_goosebumps.htm?list818490 This could be neat... __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
Re: Evil Empire: the World leader in executions
Reggie Bautista wrote: > I wrote: > > > > > So who exactly is a child, and who is an adult? What magically happens > >that > > > makes a person a child the day before they turn 18, and an adult the > >next > > > day *after* they have turned 18 (or 16 or 12 or whatever age defined by > > > their culture)? > > Sonja replied: > >A parent is legally no longer responsible for the misbehaviour of the > >adult, > >whereas the parent is legally fully responsible for a child. So although > >physically not much changes, legally it becomes a whole different ballgame. > >So if Tom now smashes a window, I'm responsible and have to pay, like it or > >not. > >If Tom is 18 and smashes a window, he has to pay it himself and nobody can > >make > >me pay for him. But Tom would never smash a window so it is a rethorical > >example > >at best. or would he? Hmmm, only soft toys from now on. > > Allow me to clarify. I understand the legal consequences. What I'm asking > is, why? Why should you be legally completely responsible for Tom one day > and not the next? Why should Tom be able to get away with anything one day > and nothing the next? It's a completely arbitrary, black or white way of > handling things. Growth and aging is more like a dimmer switch that can be > gradually dialed from all the way off to all the way on, not a traditional > light switch that is at either extreme but nowhere in the middle. As with everything, you just have to choose a divide somewhere. And a birthday seems to be the natural and logical divide. 17 is still too young so I gather anything up from there must be a possible choice. And the fact that most countries don't have a universal age of adulthood already indicates that it is choosen rather arbitrarily. Actually it is not just one age that turns you from totally sheltered into out on your own from one day to the other, it is more a multistep thing. F.i. at 12 you no longer are considered to be a child but become a youth, already legally you go from not prosecutable to prosecutable, albeit under a different set of laws from adults. At 16 certain rights (legal as well as personal) are granted to you, like ownership, citizenship or driving licence (in The Netherlands only for scooters, not cars but in the US a car is possible). At 18 you become of age and are granted most of the adult rights like electoral, legal handling and such, at 21 you are totally free of any parental interfearence in everything personal as well as legal. So it is a multistep plan into adulthood and not just one single date. It is shown that most 'children' are mature enough to handle everything in life when they turn 21, some even so at 18 although there still is a world of difference between those two ages. It used to be 16 but than a child (ehum, teen) is still developing much of his brains, e.g. still maturing and can not be considered fully developed. Teens can be very irrational, but that is partly because they haven't enough experience in life to see the irrationality or naivety of some of their actions so they ( oh, oh, I don't like where this is going ;o) ) have to be protected from themselves by putting them under parental guidence. ;o) But still the choices of at which age you are considered to be to what extent responsible for which of your actions are totatally arbitrary and only loosely related to how mature you actually are. :o) Sonja ___ http://www.mccmedia.com/mailman/listinfo/brin-l
